Jordan Peterson and IQ

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Let's talk about Jordan Peterson and his strange IQ takes and how they make me FEEL. For a monthly bonus video and other cool stuff, go to my Patreon! / bigjoel
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Edited by Mothcub: / mothcub_
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Some More News' Video: • A Brief Look at Jordan...
Footnote One, on the subject of universal healthcare:
A patron had this point to make, so I thought I'd address it here. They said, paraphrased, "Actually Peterson is from Canada and supports their healthcare system. Doesn't that challenge your point on his conservatism"
The answer? Not really. While Peterson is broadly a conservative, of course I recognise that universal healthcare is the status quo position in most places where it exists and that he supports it. My point here was not about particular policies he doesn't support, but about the incoherence of his claim that "shovelling money down the hierarchy" is so profoundly difficult because people are too stupid. To make that point, he has to disregard obvious solutions to this problem.
Footnote Two, on the subject of Race and IQ:
I assume some fans of Peterson will think I am straw-manning him or taking him out of context on this point. I am not. It is impossible to watch this video and think he doesn't believe certain races, including black people, are genetically different with regard to IQ: • Jordan Peterson - The ... . And he has, on multiple occasions, lent support to the Bell Curve. I don't think my claim here is controversial at all, to be honest. Here is Shaun's incredible video on the Bell Curve, if you're interested: • The Bell Curve
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• Why Free Speech is the...
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• Fix Yourself | 5 Minut...
• How to Solve Growing F...
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@BigJoel 2 года назад

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@hazeust 2 года назад

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@Exxalted 2 года назад

Uhh maybe I'm engaging with this comment as well??😚😚👍😌🐍🧐 Wow I really am

@stevechance150 2 года назад

Joel, buy a microphone stand. Seriously.

@Wired_User 2 года назад

@@stevechance150 But then he couldn’t hold his microphone

@aleyahaforlife 2 года назад

All of these paid talking heads are dumbing down America.

@GreyGramarye 2 года назад

“This is why I’m a radical defender of free speech. You should be exposed to ideas that make you ask questions even if they make you uncomfortable!” *looking at magazine cover* “This isn’t where this picture belongs! It makes me uncomfortable, as though it’s trying to make me question my preconceptions!”

@MrCmon113 Год назад

He never said that they shouldn't be allowed to print the cover. He reacted to it.

@SorowFame Год назад

@@MrCmon113 he said that they “aren’t beautiful no matter how much authoritarian tolerance” or whatever the exact quote was. Heavy implication being that because he doesn’t find the model attractive they shouldn’t be there and that they’re only there because of wokeness or whatever. If he’s literally just stating his preference then why not say “I don’t think they’re beautiful” rather than saying it as if it’s an objective fact and if he doesn’t see it as an issue to be corrected why say anything at all?

@shadenox8164 10 месяцев назад

@@MrCmon113 No dude. The implication was pretty clearly that they shouldn't do it. In fact he was quite authoritarian about how not just he doesn't find her attractive but no one can. Because if he didn't, why would he react at all? A normal person doesn't whine because a swimsuit model for one issue isn't their type.

@Randomlycreatedbyme 6 месяцев назад

@@MrCmon113 He didn’t say “I don’t think she’s beautiful” he said “She isn’t beautiful and everyone who disagrees has been brainwashed by woke culture”. It’s the old “no one can have different experiences from me, and if they say they do, they are either brainwashed or part of some evil plan that is trying to corrupt me”. Is this how you approach people in your everyday life?

@demilembias2527 5 месяцев назад

can we please all talk about how yumi nu is also, like, conventionally attractive lol? she's probably genuinely in the top 1% of having traits that appeal to the most stereotypical of male heterosexualities. she's a little chubby and pear shaped in a way that was literally considered the height of beauty in most cultures at most times in history except like, for this one random handful of decades. Jordan's beloved ancient greeks would probably be going crazy for this woman. its like. what the fuck is he even talking about on so many levels lmfao

@unrightist 2 года назад

"I don't know the solution" = "I actually think the solution is eugenics but I can't say that out loud" Every single thing about him is like psychology 100 years ago or something. He was born in the wrong century.

@emylily8266 2 года назад

considering the figures he holds in the highest regard like Jung are incredibly outdated for the modern field of psychology, it's no wonder he gives off that impression.

@unrightist 2 года назад

@@emylily8266 that's exactly what I mean yeah. He's like a human time capsule.

@marspower1288 2 года назад

Stefan Molineux, the bald guy he was explaining IQ to, is literally a self proclaimed eugenicist and white supremacist so...

@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv 2 года назад

@@emylily8266 This is totally unrelated, but I was wondering what your profile pic is from, it looks familiar

@Megaghost_ 2 года назад

"I can't say it out loud so I'll let my followers do it for me." That's his strategy.

@jackdeath Год назад

Point of order: The idiom of _picking yourself up by your bootstraps_ was an example created by Samuel Smalls in his 1848 book _Self Help_ to illustrate an impossible action. Nobody can do this.

@jackdeath Год назад

@BARF just as impossible. Get your boots and take a long look at those straps. You can barely fit your finger in them let alone your neck.

@itsyedino874 Год назад

How ironic, and now people are saying it everywhere as if it’s a possible task. Wow.

@jackdeath Год назад

@@itsyedino874 People understood the expression "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" to mean "attempting to do something absurd" until roughly the 1920s, at which point it started to evolve toward the current understanding: to do something without any outside help. But that's like digging yourself out of a hole, which is also absurd. Go ahead: put on some boots, grab the straps, and try to pull yourself off the ground. You won't manage to "pull yourself up" in any meaningful sense because gravity is a thing that keeps us firmly on the ground. You can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and thinking you can is fantasy.

@itsyedino874 Год назад

How interesting, thank you, @@jackdeath

@VenstaMusic Год назад

@@jackdeath Thank you for sharing this, I had no clue about the etymology of the expression. The mo' you know!

@porcelainmannequinn549 Год назад

Imagine your dad coming to you, his adult daughter, to complain about a fat woman on a magazine cover for five solid minutes tho. Imagine

@sweetsnejinka9411 Год назад

That was so creepy to me.

@runawaygemm5397 Год назад

And it’s like, she’s literally just not skinny. It’s not an uncommon or ugly body type by any means, even subjectively. I can’t understand why he thinks she’s so horrific

@shadenox8164 10 месяцев назад

@@runawaygemm5397 The funny thing is the magazine has probably had plenty of women on it that he would consider attractive. But he doesn't think its acceptable for one model to not be to his taste. He's actually the closest one to being authoritarian about this.

@elsea6461 7 месяцев назад

I'd seriously tell my Dad to get over himself 😅😂

@jacobwheeler6136 5 месяцев назад

That's how parents get disowned by their children

@zigzagzipbag6561 Год назад

"The relationship between poverty and intelligence is self evident once you think about it for any length of time" is just "I think there is a relationship between poverty and intelligence, no I don't have any source, my word must suffice, clean your room" To think I once adored this man.

@augustp7543 Год назад

ikr. There is a correlation, but asserting it as a fundamental and unchanging relationship is really reductive. And his version of "believing IQ science" seems to start and end with predictions based off of someone's current/most recent IQ, which is reductive of multiple other fields of study, like sociology and economics. You could theoretically argue that it's a starting point for an entry level course and will be expanded on in later courses, but when he's submitting these lectures as stand alone content it requires a different standard. Tl;dr IQ does affect quality of life, but society and intelligence are both more complicated than just "dum dums are useless"

@Cynsham Год назад

There is somewhat of a correlation between poverty and intelligence, but the way Peterson phrases it, like most horseshit that comes out of his mouth, is both wildly reductive and oversimplified in order to fit his own personal narrative about whatever subject he's decided to believe that he's an expert on at that moment.

@alexjames7144 Год назад

It's bizarre because obviously there's a relationship between poverty and intelligence but Peterson implies that stupid people just naturally end up poor, which makes no sense because stupid rich people don't tend to end up on state benefits. The actual relationship is that poverty limits the ability to access good education, especially early education and leave parents with less time to spend trying to nurture their kids' minds. We understand that IQ is significantly impacted by early childhood education, and that poverty predicts abysmal access to good early childhood education due to outside factors with no fault of the parents. Yet Peterson looks at that and says "hmmm..... Maybe there's a link somewhere but I guess we'll never know..... Nobody could possibly think of a solution for this.....I guess it's just the natural order......."

@Player-pj9kt Год назад

I think JP doesn't realize that Iq scores have to be normalized because the average IQ score is steadily going up. Does that mean the our brains are bigger than ppl from 100 years ago? No the increase us too fast to be explained by genetic changes instead it means that our education system is getting more comprehensive, knowledge is more readily available (e.g. the internet), high calorie food is readily available... all of these factors are economy related

@quantize Год назад

Hes a blithering grifter, the self help is basic psychology and how he radicalizes ppl

@Danielle-zq7kb Год назад

At my grocery store we have a lovely teen with Down syndrome who bags groceries. He is helpful, smiling and cheerful every time I see him. I don’t buy the IQ argument at all. Some of the stupidest people I have met have been wealthy and less useful to society than this young man. I don’t know who he lives with, but I’ll assume he isn’t living on his own or earning a living wage, but he is helpful and useful to society. Our acceptance of him throughout his life, along with good parents and social programs have helped make him the cheerful person he is. Tossing our hands up and giving up on a low IQ child robs the world of people like this young man. I will assume that he has a job due to some social program benefiting his employer.

@alexjames7144 Год назад

I also think the more pressing issue is that Peterson insists these people must have some sort of "productive" job in the first place. Why? Even if 10% aren't that useful we can surely just accept them anyway, 90% is a pretty good success rate. Realistically considering how much excess we produce for the ultra rich we could all live very comfortably based on what we currently produce, and that's in a system where most people's talent is wasted by being disadvantaged.

@jacobs7764 Год назад

@@alexjames7144Way more than 10% of billionaires and executives haven't done jack shit to make anybody's life better in at best decades. I am, much like Peterson, deeply concerned about a small contingent of our society seeming unable to contribute anything of value. We just disagree on which neighborhood you can find them in.

@alexjames7144 Год назад

@@jacobs7764 ? I'm not on the side of billionaires, I'm all for decapitation and wealth redistribution. As for 10%, I shouldn't really have to point out that 10% if billionaires and 10% of the population of the whole are very different numbers. Idek how you managed the mental backflips required to bring that up. I also agree that the rich are the problem. That was never up for debate. I was just saying that forcing everyone to be "productive" isn't necessary, if wealth was shared fairly they wouldn't need to be. Also not quite sure whether you're saying that you disagree with me or Peterson?

@thornels Год назад

@@alexjames7144I think they're agreeing with you in a very angry manner hahaha

@footballrestored171 Год назад

@@alexjames7144 The line about "productive" jobs also got to me. If a job is so worthless, then completely get rid of the position and either have a machine do it, or have a pre-existing employee also do that assignment (on top of their regular duties). The fact that so many places don't do this, shows it's not always cost effective, so even a "non-productive" job DOES have some value (even if it's in a roundabout way). Also, people degrading those jobs would be the first to complain if Walmart was only open from 5:00 PM to 12 Midnight, because "Only high school students and college students should have those jobs."

@theviewer6889 2 года назад

I was I a family iq test as a toddler, where me and my mum were tested. Based on what my mum said, the two of us did far far better than was predicted compared to our social class and family education history. The reason? My mum travelled as a young adult, she saved for years to backpack across europe and the USA. She fully admits that the only reason she could answer half of these questions was cause she learned while travelling. And, as an overly curious child, she taught me stuff. Basically, the test was far easier to pass if you were upper class and had taken a European centric education. I.E. it was really crappy science. If it had instead had a far heavier knowledge focuse on things more common in the working class, like local info, trade skills, etc. then it would have produced entirely different results.

@tomislavnekic5306 Год назад

Did you ever see a question from the IQ test? What has "backpacking Europe" got anything to do with it?

@pissapocalypse Год назад

@@tomislavnekic5306 Their mom backpacked through Europe and the iq test was apparently centered around European knowledge, so that's why they scored well.

@theviewer6889 Год назад

@@tomislavnekic5306 UK based IQ test had an upper middle class European focus. That bias gave my fam an advantage. Granted, this was almost 20 years ago so things have probably changed since then, but based on what I've seen, there is still a bias against knowledge morr commonly held by immigrants and working class folk.

@angeloskoulas3988 Год назад

@@theviewer6889 But the IQ test is just math and logic puzzles, how does traveling places help you? I get that it can help you indirectly by making you more curious and more likely to study, but not directly.

@mikegribanov6105 Год назад

@@angeloskoulas3988 took an iq test as a child and one of the questions was based on a pattern that my aunt taught me about as part of a puzzle game we played a week earlier. Literally if I had not played that puzzle game or taken the test a week earlier, I would have got it wrong. So this shows that it's not based on innate ability

@joet3935 Год назад

The "women must be beautiful and skinny" seems to me to exist to suppress women. A man who insists that a woman must fit that body type doesn't see women as equals.

@shadenox8164 10 месяцев назад

He's also telling other men they aren't allowed to find women attractive he doesn't.

@ejtattersall156 8 месяцев назад

A. The target market of this magazine is targeted toward men, not women, men. These women have always been more curvy than women in magazines with a target of women, like Cosmopolitan. Rail thin, shapeless, buttless, boobless women were a staple of women's magazines, not men's. B. Women have always had beauty standards. You know why? Women rank each other by looks. Women are far less forgiving of other women's bodies than men are, and there is extensive study to back this up.

@celewign 5 месяцев назад

I like he more likely saying “the majority of men find skinny women more attractive” which is factually true.

@joet3935 5 месяцев назад

@@celewign Which culture? Some cultures hold that non tan and overweight is the peak of beauty.

@ejtattersall156 5 месяцев назад

Every single culture on planet earth has a female body standard. And that standard, thick or thin, is maintained by women. Every single culture on planet earth has a male body standard, and that standard is selected for by women. Women give sex to men they find physically appealing, and rank each other by physical appeal, and blame men for all of it. Great gig, women have.

@ActuallyHoudini 2 года назад

never forget with any metric of measuring intelligence, the ones who introduce it into the status-quo are the ones who rank the highest on their own quiz. it is not a varied group of people with different scores who propose it. the people who claim that they can determine if an individual is a big-brained genius or not just so happen to fall under their own definition of a big-brained genius. you are more likely to vouch for something if it boosts your own ego and the fact nobody factors in that bias shows how flawed the idea of iq is.

@naomistarlight6178 2 года назад

It's always been tied to imperialism too. The original IQ guy, Binet, was a French guy who wanted to find the African kids who were worth educating in the best schools in France while the remainder would be left behind, orchestrating "brain drain" from the colonized countries for decades which still obv has an effect.

@MissMoontree 2 года назад

I think it is not just about scoring well, but also about this score being flexible. Like over 10 points flexible. And you can practise for it. I'm sure the test is useful for something, but relying on it too much is dangerous. A hammer is a nice tool too, but it is hard to mow the lawn with one.

@ActuallyHoudini 2 года назад

@@MissMoontree I see it working well within psychiatry, of which it was originally intended, but not within the space it is today. I once compared it to xanex. A drug intended solely for psychiatric use but is now mostly known for being a party drug. In a sense, modern IQ tests are the nerdy party drug meant for people who prefer to get high off their own ego more than anything else.

@MrCmon113 Год назад

@@naomistarlight6178 So you think it's accurate and it worked.

@MrCmon113 Год назад

It's "biased" towards pattern recognition, short term memory, logic, and 3D mental rotation. Your stupid generic criticism is typical for someone, who has never done anything by himself and never even tried to understand anything properly.

@te-ter 2 года назад

in the last 5 years i have had 2 semesters of classes on psychology, at some of which they explained to us the problem with IQ tests ...but i'm sure JP would just take it as a sign that the modern education is inferior to the one he had.

@paulsmart4672 2 года назад

It's more clear what's going on when he reacts to the pure biology side of things... With IQ and psychology, well, he's a psychologist, maybe he knows what he's talking about. Surely he's done his research, right? He's saying it's important and *he's* got a PhD in this stuff. But then it moves into pure biology, and he's got no qualifications here, and he's enraged that the cutting edge of the science isn't aligned with the 200 year old traditional understanding of the matter. How dare these "researchers" with the "data" and "experiments" and "computer models" and "hundreds of years of science to build upon" suggest that Darwin didn't magically and perfectly solve everything centuries ago!? That's based on nothing. That's just 100% his outrage at the notion of new information challenging old ideas. The reason he gets upset when people challenge the importance of IQ is he's an anti-intellectual conservative who can't stand the notion of academic or scientific progress.

@TimothyCHenderson 2 года назад

@@paulsmart4672 The problem with Peterson is he plays the field and both sides. He quote's numbers and statistics when he wants to that support his beliefs and then quotes mysticism and religion when it suites the argument as well. He'll bounce between the two and rail against authoritarianism but loves to tell people exactly what they should think and do. His final form of defense is the somewhat famous "there's something important there but I just haven't figured it out yet", usually attached at the end of some wild claim. He's able to manipulate the conversation by sounding academic, sounding spiritual and all encompassing, sounding contrarian to subvert his critics and keeping things open enough to build upon later. A slippery character indeed. I am enjoying the word salad moniker though.

@Definatalie 2 года назад

I was in uni doing education 20 years ago and they were saying IQ was a bad lens to view students through then!

@tyler9123 2 года назад

Up yours woke moralist

@dkickelbick 2 года назад

@@paulsmart4672 IQ tests are racist BD. They were invented to give racism a scientific touch as if it is founded on facts. But it is not, it is scientism. Peterson talks just rubbish sh*t. Big word which means nothing. Once he made clear that one of his "sources" is "The Bell Curve", which does exactly that claiming that racisim has scientific grounding and IQ test tell something useful. For a debunking of the Bell Curve there is e.g. the book by Stephen Jay Gould (The Mismeasure of Men). You don't need more to read to know the BS Peterson says.

@coaxill4059 Год назад

"If you don't buy IQ, you might as well throw out the rest of psychology" Me keeping up with developments in modern psych: lol ok, we can do that.

@squishykotetsu Год назад

if you take it to mean "the other outdated, oversimplified garbage he believes" then yuuuup, out with that shite. And beyond that, there's so many instances where he just misses the point of more modern psychological studies that you truly have to wonder what he even thinks psychology IS

@happygucci5094 Год назад

😂😂😂 🎯

@dieSpinnt Год назад

I am very intelligent, but also stinking lazy. Otherwise this comment could've been a masterpiece (as an analogy for Peterson's "bigger IQ = better proficiency" claim). This directly destroys Peterson's laughably narrow-sighted worldview (which his "theory of IQ" actually is). The lazy part: Come to your own conclusions, can you?! Other living contradictions we cannot ignore: Elon Musk and Donald Trump. They are at the top of the income pyramid and are part of the best payed/richest people of this world. Oh and they are actual idiots. Not only literally but in the medical sense of the word!

@stanleyklein524 Год назад

That stance make no sense. Peterson is an academic fraud.

@eyebrid Год назад

It really puts JP's "expertise" in question.

@carrot-cat1746 2 года назад

I've seen cats less obsessed with boxes and fitting in them no matter the cost than Peterson.

@jeffengel2607 2 года назад

And at least they're cute doing it!

@Talentedtadpole 2 года назад

Ha ha ha!

@BigHwoop 4 месяца назад

What I love is how conservatives use the phrase "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" despite the fact the phrase was originally created as an impossibility, because you physically cannot pick yourself up by your bootstraps

@xhappybunnyx 3 месяца назад

I'll tell ya, I whipped out this factoid once in my life and the person who I told it to just stumbled their way right past the point and into further nonsensical mumblings. Went about as well as I thought it would, but it felt good giving them some resistance.

@jeremygregorio7472 2 года назад

Peterson came right out and said that trans people should give up their rights so that society will be calmer. I think it's pretty clear that he would have said the same thing about black people 40 years ago I'm really surprised that's not getting more attention.

@taranullius9221 2 года назад

At risk of violating Godwin's law on MR's video on that clip I made (only partially) tongue-in-cheek comparison to what he said about Jews and Germany. They couldn't actualise themselves because they were destabilising to the Aryan nation. Therefore there needed to be a "solution" to the problem of Jews wanting to actualise as Jews.

@zacheryeckard3051 2 года назад

Which clip was this?

@naomistarlight6178 2 года назад

they do say the same thing about black people all the time, they're just careful mostly to say "black activists" or "black lives matter" (preferred euphemism for all black people who are angry basically) as if it were radical to tell the cops to stop shooting innocent teenagers? To them, it is... :(

@jeremygregorio7472 2 года назад

@@naomistarlight6178 I think the difference is they still won't come right out and say black people shouldn't have rights. They'll call the BLM activists rioters and looters to try and frame them as criminals but they don't have the balls yet to say that their rights should be taken away merely for being black They're trying to get us there and Joe Biden just gave a long speech trying to convince Americans not to go down that path

@Nosliw837 2 года назад

@@taranullius9221 When it comes to eugenics jumping into the Godwin's Law pit as early as possible is always acceptable.

@philipvipond2669 2 года назад

There is actually one Solution that would meaningfully address the problem of IQ on his terms. But a man with a silly moustache tried it once and an awful lot of people got very upset... I wonder if that's why Jordan is so invested in fighting Political Correctness and forcing people to listen to his ideas, no matter how objectionable they may be...

@katfoster845 2 года назад

If I remember correctly, the upsettedness caused the sudden and unplanned remodeling of a few cities.

@Not_that_Brian_Jones 2 года назад

Man, it would be something if Jorp was trying to do for fascism what he says postmodernism is trying to do for communism

@deadmemes719 2 года назад

It’d be even crazier if he ever publicly said the radical left needed to stop otherwise those silly stache types would come back. And as a moment of sincerity, what the actual shit. He’s saying to stop changing the status quo otherwise literal nazis, who he’s very knowledgeable about, would come back. How is he allowed to do anything after that

@ΒασιλικήΚ-β9χ 2 года назад

In my very short walk through academia as a 2nd year psychology student, literally one of the first things we were taught is that IQ as a concept doesn't have a clear definition and it can't at all predict how a person's life will turn out. Plus, it was said to us that as a topic it's highly controversial and the connotations of giving it actual meaning in our society are super dangerous. Like, anyone with even the smallest understanding of psychology and its history understands that giving meaning to IQ is dangerous and talking about it must be done with caution, something completely untrue about the way JP goes about it. He's actually a danger to young impressionable minds and the ideas he wants to spread are a gateway to far right indoctrination. If my right wing professor can admit that sorting people by their IQ is an actual fucking nazi tactic, JP certainly knows what he's preaching.

@shizachan8421 2 года назад

I think Jordan Peterson isn't a real psychologist but an evolutionary psychologist, which is a title we give rich kids who are too cognitively weak to function in proper academia?

@ΒασιλικήΚ-β9χ 2 года назад

@@shizachan8421 evolutionary psychology is a real field but it suffers from the fact that its theories are almost impossible to prove with the scientific method since we can't go back in time and do cognitive tests to a bunch of early humans. Knowing his field of interest, some of the things he says are even less credible though.

@shizachan8421 2 года назад

@@ΒασιλικήΚ-β9χ Evolutionary Psychology is a pseudo-science that has serves the purpose of sneaking the intellectually lesser gifted and drug addicts, like Jordan Peterson who is a drug addict, into academia. It serves no other purposes than to give contemporary social conventions perceived legitimacy by making wild guesses in how could have evolved into our collective cognitive, trying to frame them as inherit and beneficial. I think Jordan Peterson himself demonstrates best how useless the field is and why it should be defunded and deemed invalid. He uses it constantly as an outlet to ramble about is, likely drug-fueled, esoteric ideas about the world that have no basis in proper history, psychology or even philosophy, its just a guy being high on benzos rambling over and over again. He doesn't even do the most simple research, otherwise he would know the reason why the Caducaes looks like it does. And yeah, I'm mocking Jordan Petersons drug addiction because I wholeheartedly believe in talking about people on their own terms. Jordan Peterson would consider a drug addiction a moral and probably also genetic failure in everyone else, so it is in him.

@1gregmoreira 2 года назад

@@shizachan8421 Jordan is not an evolutionary psychologist He is a clinical psychologist. He has taught all over the world at numerous prestigious universities. Has published hundreds of papers. He has fronted numerous research projects and run numerous psychology practices He is also among the top 50 most cited psychologist in the history of the field. The brunt of his citations have nothing to do with his current internet fame His research and published works have been recognized and cited for decades. You might not like the guy… but we’re not going to pretend that he’s some random guy trying to act smart. He’s a Nobel laureate level contributor, and has been long before the internet discovered him

@shizachan8421 2 года назад

@@1gregmoreira He literally doesn't know that the Caduceus is supposed to resemble two snakes mating and thinks its instead ancient people somehow knowing how the modern popcultural depiction of a DNA strain looks like, which is not how DNA looks like by the way.

@guy_arsonist 2 года назад

it's interesting Peterson making the point that a fat woman is unhealthy when he literally decided to go into a medically induced coma in order to speedrun a detox, and then spends an amount of time explaining that he was only physically addicted, not mentally, so he's not one of the "bad people"

@igoralmeida9136 2 года назад

he makes me think that psychology is not a real science

@nfzeta128 2 года назад

@@igoralmeida9136 actually practising or studying psychologists would have a field day studying this man.

@Scootfairy 2 года назад

@@igoralmeida9136 well it isnt. it’s a social science, like economics. I.e. social constructs. Only more recently is psychology becoming more “scientific” as in the scientific method, as new technology comes along. The history of psychology is just a long list of privileged rich white men pathologising people they don’t understand from their armchair while doing cocaine (see Freud).

@Junksaint 2 года назад

Peterson is a psuedo-intellectual. He needs to read more books and stow his ego a bit. It probably won't help still. Edit: He reminds me of the upper class, academic, "men of quality" that allowed Germany to become what it did throughout the 1920s to 40s.

@basilofgoodwishes4138 2 года назад

Not going to work.

@peachy_lili 2 года назад

it's so exhausting listening to people call him smart. people who are actually smart can hear that most of what comes out of his mouth is illogical weirdness, sometimes bordering on flat-out word salad, just words that evoke strong feelings and a lecturing tone but saying absolutely nothing of substance. it's exhausting. it is so. exhausting. having someone recommend 12 Rules to me, only to glaze over when I try and explain how that book proves JBP has a broken theory of mind, that he doesn't understand how different people can have different motivations, that he doesn't get that just because he, A GROWN MAN, wants to punch a child on a playground (really, this is in the book), that means every grown man will feel the exact same if put in the same situation. he is not emotionally intelligent at ALL, and it scares me how much people follow his emotion-fueled ranting.

@emylily8266 2 года назад

@@peachy_lili specially infuriating in that book is every single time he talks about previous patients he is just so unbeliably judgemental and assumes the worst about all of them. It's pretty clear the dude was probably never even a good therapist. Hell he's never done great research either, his only intelectual "achievement" was landing a cushy job at a university and staying there forever even though year after year students would file complaints on his teaching style. No wonder he clung onto his internet fame so tightly to give himself the veneer of being respected in his field.

@Rawnblade13 2 года назад

Especially since he keeps pushing this idea that IQ is some be all end all metric to judge a person's worth. Not to mention trying to use it to justify wealth inequality. It's a modern day version of Hitler's 'useless eaters' ideology.

@facelessdrone 2 года назад

@@peachy_lili forreal, omg finally someone else sees it. He's not smart and im tired of pretending he is, its all a goddamn facade, intelligence requires nuance, logic, and skill, none of which he has. He is THE most narrowminded, intellectually dishonest, egotistically pathetic wench of a legacy line. He hasn't had an original thought in his life, he spends his time being chronically in center-rightwing talking circles instead of expanding his viewpoint because they're even dumber than he, so by default he's the smartest in the room, the fact he hasn't been publicly shamed and humiliated for his sophistry and farce is a failing of society. He needs to be gone, he makes it harder for everyone trying to have real conversations and ideas, he pisses me off more than Ben Shapiro, which is saying something, because that guy has a very punchable face. If I have to explain word for word, and holding the hand of a another grown ass adult man that wanting trans people to be forcefully sterilized and/or killed is eugenics and not a good idea that they should be advocating for, im gonna go fucking feral.

@killerkitten7534 Год назад

Peterson reminds me of those kids in class who would take a 5 minute IQ test online and base their whole being on it.

@danielclifton3319 2 года назад

The conclusion that Peterson is trying to get people to make here is this: The poor are poor, because of themselves. If wealth is a product of intelligence then the cause of poverty lies purely with the poor individual, and is not a product of any political system or culture. It is simply natural. Which in turn also serves to justify the wealth of rich people. They are rich because they, as individuals, are smart and talented, knew to work hard, be responsible and not act on irrational impulses. And so they deserve what they have. It is a product of them being good and smart. This is also why he can't offer a solution. He doesn't want to make it a problem that is even possible to solve, because it will be at the cost of the status quo. We are meant to simply accept that it is natural and unavoidable

@em_the_bee 2 года назад

No, you either intentionally oversimplify his argument, or your skull has been shat into. Noone fucking says that, lol.

@theyakkoman 2 года назад

"Well did you hear? There's a natural order Those most deserving will end up with the most That the cream cannot help but always rise up to the top Well I say, "Shit floats" -Still Running the World by Jarvis Cocker

@sheenyhive 2 года назад

His diatribe sure sounds a lot like "divine right to rule". Some things never change I guess

@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999 2 года назад

All the right-wing ideology in a nutshell.

@chrisdewey3559 2 года назад

I have a suspicion that a lot of conservative rhetoric and vitriol is tied to guilt. The inescapable guilt of having too much while you know many others have too little. The reason they defend their position so heavily is to avoid being left simply with that guilt and responsibility. For some also, when it comes to charity, the emphasis is put on the theatrics and cathartic and noble nature of the act, rather than its efficacy, because the point is not to fix the problem, the point is to free oneself from guilt.

@nocomment3294 2 года назад

There has been an article discussing if ''Jordan Peterson is the stupid man's smart person?''. Trying to figuring out what his book ''Maps of Meaning'' is all about and concluding that it simply expresses truthism in a pseudo deep language, in a way where he can always say that he was either misunderstoood or meant the opposite.

@jaspervanheycop9722 2 года назад

An eyeroll IS a form of communication! In fact, according to an antropological study I read recently, it's one of only a few other facial expressions that are truly universal to humans. And sometimes a very clear message like an eyeroll is exactly what is needed in a conversation (doesn't Peterson argue for being direct and clear in your communication? Like it's literally one of his 12 rules right?) Sometimes even a romantic partner needs to be told something brutally, in fact it is the mark of a healthy relationship that you can be open and direct with eachother.

@revantair8497 2 года назад

ALL facial expression are universal, only their way of display differ through different cultures. (Paul Ekman)

@ApexGale 2 года назад

I took a few sociological classes and what I learned was that conflict in relationships can actually *strengthen* it provided the couple is able to approach the conflict in a mature way and find a solution that works for them both. If the couple work out what it is that is causing the fight at its core, they can establish boundaries and become accustomed to each other's flaws. This isn't a "detractor," from a relationship, but rather an integral part to its growth. part of being in a relationship is accepting that you are giving up some of your own personal freedoms and preferences for benefits you otherwise wouldn't have. People who can't accept that probably shouldn't be getting married if they can't set boundaries.

@jaspervanheycop9722 2 года назад

@@ApexGale Exactly! But that would go against Peterson's entire philosophy, which abhors conflict ("chaos") in favour of strict hierarchy ("order").

@Palindrone-lj3fo Год назад

My parents told me my IQ is in the low 140s, which is perfect because I can almost understand the plot of most Rick and Morty episodes. Thanks genetics!

@kotyrollins Год назад

Also that "fat" woman isnt fat at all, and incredibly hot, just saying.

@DDub04 5 месяцев назад

Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. She is both.

@guaranteedtopwn 4 месяца назад

no she is fat actually you don't need to lie.

@finchfry 2 года назад

I have ADHD with a tendency to hyperfocus, so I do fantastic on tests like IQ tests, but I also can't have a high-earning job because any time I have to focus like that for longer than a few hours on a single thing I get exhausted and extremely unfocused afterwards. So no, IQ is in no way equivalent to your ability to get employed for a six figure job. It just means you're good at taking IQ tests.

@scottmcdowell27 Год назад

Just because the reason you can't do a high paying job isn't iq it doesnt mean it doesn't have an effect. Someone with an iq of 75 isn't going to be a ceo of a large company

@JoyKirbs Год назад

@@scottmcdowell27 I mean, have you seen Elon?

@RexxyRobin 2 года назад

I am a highschool dropout, former heroin addict, can barely keep my apertment clean or maintain a healthy diet and have extreme diffculty interacting with people... I also have an IQ of 142 (got tested three times). I generally do not feel smart and there are a quadrillion things I do not know or do not understand. So far my favourite job has been cleaning hotel rooms and I would never want to be a lawyer or any of those _intellectual_ jobs

@deadly_bite 5 месяцев назад

I love the idea of Jordan Peterson getting so triggered about the biological nature of facial expressions, when I don't think I've seen him use a facial expression once.

@winterkill1764 5 месяцев назад

I really wanna give you props for using the term political actor to describe jordan peterson. Him and SO many of these pundits are just that and acting like they are anything other than that gives them much more power than they should

@JinStreams 5 месяцев назад

Weirdly on a lot of this, I think Jordan Peterson is the only one that genuinely believes everything he says. And I mean that as a greater criticism of him.

@AnimatedLoopHD Год назад

My IQ was 90 when I took it (10 years ago, age 23). I did well in high school, but I never went to college. And yet, I taught my self 2D and 3D animation and have worked on music videos and tour visuals for bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Incubus, Bad Bunny, and many more. I run an online animation studio and am completely financially self-sustained from it. But I have a poor IQ score. I'd like to hear Peterson's thoughts on this. From what I've read, IQ tests can be helpful at diagnosing some learning disabilities, but is it possible we put too much stock into these tests? What do they really measure? I suck at tests in general because I think long and hard about things. Tests prioritize quick problem solving skills and memorization. I'm slow to make decisions, but does this mean I'm dumb? People are different, and we shouldn't punish people for thinking differently. There's a theory of multiple intelligence, and many forms of intelligence can't be easily measured through standardized testing. Creativity operates on a different wave length. My personal life experience is a contradiction to Peterson's hypothesis that IQ predicts success. How many people have you heard of who brag about having a high IQ score and yet don't produce or do anything notable with that IQ. Saying you have a high IQ is just a fancy way to say you have high insecurity.

@Hostefar Год назад

10 points off from the average makes way less of a difference than people think. And most people who brag about their iq just took a 10 minute online test anyway

@darkmatter9643 Год назад

an iq test does not measure intelligence, instead measures your aptitude in taking iq tests

@piprolling7303 Год назад

IQ changes with education, it is not an objective value of how “smart” you are

@eyesofthecervino3366 8 месяцев назад

Honestly I'd say thinking long and hard about things before reaching a conclusion is a type of thinking that's desperately needed these days. Way too many people reaching snap judgments and making unwise tweets because they believe they're being smart.

@sarahcullen5690 Год назад

We all agree that Jordan Peterson is obviously extremely attracted to fat women and is deeply afraid of admitting it even to himself, right?

@СимонЦанков Год назад

Lmao. But fr the only reasonable issue is this was a sports magazine, as to suggest you can be chonky and sporty

@sarahcullen5690 Год назад

@@СимонЦанков Good thing you quite obviously can be chonky and sporty. In fact there are lots of sports where it would be weird if you weren't!

@shadenox8164 10 месяцев назад

@@СимонЦанков You should see women weight lifters, they make this lady look petit.

@raistlinmajere7149 2 года назад

Having a "low IQ" has nothing to do with a person's work ethic or ability to do a job.

@CrniWuk 2 года назад

I do not believe it is that simple as certain positions do require a high level of intelligence and certain skills which simply are not present in the majority of people. What ever if IQ is a good measure for that though? That's very debatable of course. However when it comes to psychology IQ does have it's place and is an important tool in certain circulstances. What it comes down to is if IQ is used as the sole measure or the only characteristic in where you decide if people have "value" for a society where Low-IQ people can not be productive members - which is what Petersons seems to highlight here. But that's not the only metric or characteristic that people display as you correctly say. I think not all people have the same level of intellgence or skill and thus not all people are equally qualified for every position. But all people have the same value simply because they are people.

@emylily8266 2 года назад

@@CrniWuk no IQ has no place is psychology, it's only use is in measuring the literacy of a population in sociology, as soon as you take it down to the individual level it becomes useless.

@TwoForFlinchin1 2 года назад

@@CrniWuk the presence/lack of skills in a population doesn't really say anything about that population's IQ.

@marvincool3744 2 года назад

Right? I know plenty of smart but hopelessly lazy people. I know Forrest Gump isn't real, but the themes in it about people with intellectual disabilities achieving greatness nonetheless is true.

@CrniWuk 2 года назад

@@TwoForFlinchin1 No of course not and that's not what I meant. I am just saying IQ as a measure has it's use. Mostly in Psychiatry. I wasn't talking about applying IQ statistics on a whole population as a measure for skills. I am just saying there are certain jobs that probably correlate very well with high IQs as for example I am pretty sure that certain occupations will very likely see people with a reasonably high IQ. That of course does not mean that someone with a lower IQ can not achieve great things. Like I said. All people have equal value. But not all people can achieve the same careers.

@Dr_Hax Год назад

4:52 why something tells me that he has a solution to that but he just wants to move the overton's window enough to consider it viable

@evelynminer8568 2 года назад

My favorite parts of this video are a) Big Joel leaving it entirely assumed [as it should be] that society should be organized around the quality of life for its people first; b) Jordan Peterson loudly and embarassingly calling an obviously quite attractive woman ugly; c) a barely conscious Jordan Peterson with a Marx beard trying to give a speech

@Jack_Saint_Archive 2 года назад

@thank me later *SPAMTON* found in real life! Stop spamming..!

@carpo719 2 года назад

Did he say she was ugly? I don't think so. That might be putting words in his mouth.

@inefffable 2 года назад

@@carpo719 he said "sorry, not beautiful." Paraphrasing that he said "she's ugly" is not a stretch, and it's def not putting words in his mouth.

@stephenrowley4171 2 года назад

@@carpo719 this is Patterson to key. He phrases stuff thats quite obvious what his meaning is but not enough that he can't deny saying what he's actually obviously saying when required.

@facelessdrone 2 года назад

@@carpo719 he quiet literally publicly tweeted about it, mate. Are you dumb??

@maddyrevenge 2 года назад

“speaking from personal experience - i've never been manipulated into seeing beauty where i don't, i'm not even sure such a thing is possible. But even if it is possible it's hard to see the problem there after” Magazines and media in general are highly manipulative in terms of generating and perpetuating a specific beauty standard. Jordan Peterson is fine with that, as long as the type of beauty standard being advertised is aligned with his personal preferences.

@reflectingh9997 2 года назад

“there’s 2 girls but because of the ravages of socialism, they’re forced to share just 1 cup”

@brettlovell571 2 года назад

I saw this lecture when I was Jordan-curious, and told a mate about it. He debunked it as obviously untrue as there would be much higher unemployment. Now I can't tell if he has always been a grifter and liar or if he believes what he says. Cheers good vid

@terrystevens3998 2 года назад

Always been a grifter.. he popped off lying about a bill in Canada claiming that people were going to be sent to jail for using the wrong pronouns.. the fact that years have passed and not a single person has been put in jail for pronoun policing and he never apologized and has actually gotten way worse on the transphobic rhetoric is proof enough that from day one he was well aware of his bullshit

@claytonsummers6389 2 года назад

He’s not a grifter, he has well documented mental issues and substance abuse problems. This is all very real to him and it’s pretty sad.

@nenadmilovanovic5271 2 года назад

@@claytonsummers6389 I mean he made a pretty big stunt on twitter to get banned, then made a video talking about it like a supervillain at the same time he signed a contract with a right wing news network. That seems pretty grifty

@Ana-gb5bg 2 года назад

Buy your mate a drink for me, he did a great favour wow. Good chap the both of you.

@brettlovell571 2 года назад

@@Ana-gb5bg We were getting hammered at my expense the time. He used an example of the thickest person we knew at school. No intellectual giant. Now a lorry driver. Nice house, couple of kids, happy as could be. That IQ thing about under 85 doesn't hold up under any scrutiny at all, and it made me think. If he is so wrong about something that obvious, maybe he shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone about anything. Some More News Did an excellent eviscerated a few weeks ago.

@GelidGanef 2 года назад

That clip has lived rent free in my head for like 8 years now. He expresses such heart for the plight of the impoverished, the mentally disabled, the disenfranchised. He points out this issue no one else is talking about. So at the time, I was fully convinced, and thought it was soo weird he never circled back to it? The biggest problem society is facing? I'd heard him spit tens of thousands of words about... almost anything. No follow up for the HUGE problem you're so passionate about bucko?! Then he turned out to be a transphobe and alt-right attention whore. Everything made sense. And in response to one of the most accessible and persuasive psychologists and gender theorists online telling me my gender was made up and I was crazy, I *only* delayed my transition by about 5 years. Thanks JBP!

@LiterallyMarieee Год назад

I have an IQ of 133 and am a total failure, no success many depressions and looks like i am definitely not headed towards any success in the future i love beating stereotypes ❤️

@OrangeNash Год назад

That lowest 10% of the population are Peterson's fan club, aren't they? He's doing a great job as the Psuedo-intellectual for non-intellectuals, making them feel good about themselves. Well done!

@seansabu310 Год назад

Obviously you must be one of them if your gonna invest in an HR long video of some big Lebowski enthusiast talk out his as . Peterson is famous and rich just bc he's opinated when's the last time you got paid for what the fuck you think

@locklanh Год назад

everytime i see this, his tweet about dr feldman barrett is EXTREMELY funny. I work and am doing my postgrad at a damn law school and we cite barrett! you can't discuss neurology, culture or emotion in the 2020s without discussing barrett, not if you want to pass peer review lol. the fact he doesn't know who she is really goes to show how disconnected he actually is from the academic disciplines he pretends to have expertise in.

@9Nikko8 4 месяца назад

I mean he had expertise, 15 years ago before he got kicked out for the bullshit he said and then started building his guru brand of adoring incels and far righters.

@edselsantoni6138 3 месяца назад

As part of my Asperger’s diagnosis, I was required to take an IQ test. I tested at an IQ score of 171. Here is why, to me, that doesn’t mean anything: 1. IQ does not necessarily mean intelligence. There can be many different types of intelligence and IQ is just one metric to measure one capacity of intelligence. This is why I may be good at science but terrible at sports, good at math but terrible at riddles. 2. This is my biggest problem with Jordan’s point. He is insinuating that IQ is a metric of merit. Simply put, IQ should dictate how deserving you are of a good quality of life. By arguing there is nothing we can do and seemingly being content with that, even if his argument was true, he’s stating that it’s acceptable for people with lower IQs to live a worse quality of life. By concluding this, he ignores the fact that human life (regardless of IQ) is inherently valuable. People should have a good quality of life even if their IQs are low (even if this were true). 3. Metrics are human made scales used to measure largely abstract and intangible concepts. Useful as they can be, they do not completely represent reality and basing someone’s quality of life on one should at best be done carefully and more likely not be done at all. I never mention my IQ to anyone not do I boast about it. I don’t justify my actions based on my IQ. Humanity is complex and beautiful and I focus more on trying to be a good person than on whatever perceived value my IQ can bring me. That doesn’t mean I’m perfect, that’s the point

@Bridge2110 3 месяца назад

No, you did not score 171. I don't understand why people lie like this. 1. The point of general intelligence is that there really aren't multiple types on intelligence You can sort of break IQ down into sub-factors, but it isn't entirely different types. Multiple intelligences models fail to have the power of IQ in modelling intelligence. 2. IQ is more like ability, and applied ability is what creates merit. Obviously there are other factors than IQ, and luck and pure chance play a role, but IQ does play an important role. Why is it not acceptable for people with lower IQs to live a lower quality life? Human life may be inherently valuable, but that doesn't mean we must equalize all outcomes. You can support the idea that everyone should have a minimum quality of life, and that people can use their higher IQs to earn better for themselves and their families.

@Overthinking_Media 9 месяцев назад

Whenever someone brings up the topic of IQ as a measurement of someones intelligence, I always respond with the same truthful, inarguable point. After being professionally evaluated as a young adult, by definition; I am a genius. I have an evaluated IQ of 141 based on societies agreed upon metrics for measuring intelligence; which places me in the genius level percentile. I still have to google "How long to soft boil an egg" about 5 times, every time, while boiling an egg. And most times I end up with a hard boiled egg. IQ isn't everything.

@Gravastars1 2 года назад

I mean, the great big unspoken 'solution' beneath all of this is eugenics, right? He won't say the quiet part out loud, but the simultaneous belief that we have immutable characteristics and that we are to blame for our personal problems - that "we are the problem" - has only one inevitable outcome.

@joannapaw4040 Год назад

I used to have better opinion about Jordan Peterson. This tweet about a 'fat' woman is so dumb and dissapointing. She is a beautiful model. Women of all sizes will always exist! The propaganda forcing only skinny girls hurt many people, I had many friends suffering from anorexia, myself I almost had an eating disorder - thankfully my family helped me and I was quite fine. However, I had a feeling that life will not start until I become skinny. I am average medium size, I love sports. But for a long time I felt like it's not enough. I was miserable inside. The moment more plus size women appeared on covers we got used to that. It's getting better. I can go to vacation without guilt and suffering! Before it was terrible, because I had to meet some expectation of having a beach body...

@raphaelbrigeiro 6 месяцев назад

If you put together his interests in IQ research and nazism you can clearly figure out what kind of "solution" he is implying. A "final" one... Whether he means it or nor, it is plain and simple a fascistic dog whistle.

@Notsoshady4891 2 года назад

I drive a bus. I scored a 148 on a IQ test when I was 9. I was held back that year in school. I don't think IQ has much to do with success.

@marvincool3744 2 года назад

Also high iq people gravitate toward blue collar work more than Jordan seems to think.

@ataraxia7439 2 года назад

Yeah I feel like everyone could benefit from knowing what people with Mensa membership are like and how it differs from our stereotypes about high IQ people.

@fakechuck7659 2 года назад

Any serious psychologist would never prescribe any notions from the singular aggregate IQ value. It is an essentially meaningless value other than that the extreme lows may indicate physiological problems. I have a high aggregate IQ, but when broken down there are extreme lows in many domains. Therefore I struggle significantly in many roles. None of that would be apparent from the surface level IQ value.

@Notsoshady4891 2 года назад

@@fakechuck7659 well said.

@seangrif11 Год назад

Peterson would be horrified if he realized how close he is to making the case for UBI. Swap out IQ and insert automation into his argument, and yeah, it is a big problem that "there's nothing for 10% of the population to do." But instead of a flat percentage, it's a growing number of people.

@MohammedAli1228 2 года назад

What never understood about those who love to discuss IQ test. Is they treat it as a infallible test. Anyone with enough time and resources could dedicate their life to getting good a IQ tests.

@rawalshadab3812 2 года назад

NOOOO! THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE! You're insulting Darwin!

@hornedhare 2 года назад

It makes sense that Jordan Peterson would reference divorce and use it a metaphor for the deterioration of society, as many of the far right mindset tend to see divorce itself as *intrinsic* to the deterioration of society. Though some may agree that certain relationships aren't meant to work out, they see the collapse of a marriage as a personal failing indicative of people (or a generation) that is incapable of working things out, putting in the time, or looking at the bigger picture. For them poverty may be a personal problem, but an intimate vow made by two private individuals is seen as a commitment made for the benefit of society, and therefore reflects the health of that society. For them, in an era where people are (gasp) able to get divorced, it correlates and underlines the reasons why people with "differing political beliefs" are not able to sit down and have a friendly fireside chat.

@brennans2286 2 года назад

If you’re interested check out the works of Theodore Adorno. He did a lot of work on Fascism and personality. Classical morals and sexual anxiety are all wrapped up in this bs.

@astral_haze Год назад

*if* we accept the first argument he makes, my obvious conclusion is, okay, if they can't do anything just support them then? the need to give them free housing and food and all that shit is even stronger than it already is for everyone in general

@mariecarie1 Год назад

I have an IQ of 122, at least as of 10 years ago. The only reason I know this is because I got tested in college for any accommodations I might qualify for due to chronic anxiety. Turns out, I have ADHD, which in part contributes to the fact I’m-surprise surprise-really bad with money. I’m not stupid. I struggle. I can see a problem and even know how to fix it, and even though I WANT to fix it, sometimes my brain just refuses to execute. It sucks and people like Peterson call us “stupid” when we AREN’T stupid-we just need support.

@connorhart7597 11 месяцев назад

Bro what the hell is jordan smoking, shes not even very fat lmao, but i feel comfortable saying shes objectively very beautiful lmao

@taranullius9221 2 года назад

A Canadian judge in a ruling referred to Peterson as having unfounded arrogance. I thought that was beautiful.

@loupax Год назад

I really like the "put your house in order before saying anything". Like the people that decide the policies that affect our lives have their houses in order.

@deadfr0g 2 года назад

Biologists: “Behold! We present, for your consideration, biology.” Conservatives: “Perfect. Biology gives us objective reality.” Sociologists: “Biology informs our subjective truths.” Philosophers: “Truth, you say?” **rolling their eyes in disgust** Chemists: “Biology? Objective??” **politely stifling laughter** Physicists: “Objective?? Reality?!” **roaring with laughter** Mathematicians: “Real is an entirely discrete property from useful.” Computer scientists: _(sitting alone in the dark, staring wildly at a glowing screen)_ “rEaLiTy CaN bE wHaTeVeR i WaNt It To Be.”

@igoralmeida9136 2 года назад

i dont have a high enough IQ to understand this comment

@nfzeta128 2 года назад

Lol, love it.

@Silversubs29078 2 года назад

Best comment Which category do you fall under? Chem major here

@hektorsehmsdorf1336 2 года назад

I can attest that philosophers not getting along with sociologists is 100% acurate

@energeticcreeper7969 3 месяца назад

honestly even just the first sentence shows how out of touch this man really is "authoritarian tolerance" is saying that women can be beautiful without fitting the narrow misogynistic modern idea of "perfect" the term "authoritarian tolerance" itself is so bafflingly contradictory it's honestly fascinating, the shear amount of cognitive dissonance required

@D4mnTh4tsBig Год назад

A ""science"" based way of sorting people into layers, with an undesirable class? sounds like fascism. Which is on brand for peterson

@methatis3013 Год назад

Inagine unironically calling people like Peterson fascists 💀

@D4mnTh4tsBig Год назад

@@methatis3013 I mean, he's deeply antisemitic, thinks womens place is making babies and being subservient to men, and uses pseudo science to say some people are inherently smarter or better than others. Sounds nazi-y to me

@tedbutts Год назад

@@methatis3013 How many steps from "inherent social hierarchy!!!" do you think it takes to get to racial hierarchy / supremacy? Unironically, Jorpon Beterson is a psudo-fascist. He now works for a right-wing tabloid owned by an oil billionaire. Also, is your PfP undertale? BC that game is a shining example of representation for groups who overwhelmingly agree Jorgan does harm to them.

@jello4835 2 года назад

"I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ are losers." -- Stephen Hawking, when asked by a reporter for his IQ

@K1ttyGam3r Год назад

Chad

@rootfish2671 Год назад

Yup just look at Mensa

@ratboy2164 Год назад

based

@emilymonahan5232 Год назад

BASED AS FUCK

@name-removed- Год назад

@@ugadugaga4972 IQ is dumb but that statement is categorically false. Some people are genuinely more talented at thing than others, and someone that is both naturally gifted at something and passionate about it will always be better at that than someone that is solely passionate.

@jeffriesmovies Год назад

The sentence “To Jordan Peterson’s credit, I have no idea what he’s talking about” is beautiful

@vtorious9102 Год назад

That's his power and weakness. He's able to say "xyz", people who critique him say "yeah that xyz is not good", and then he says, "I didn't say that, I said x^2, y^3, z^4, to the degree that 4^z = 3^y = 2^x."

@noahmay7708 Год назад

@@vtorious9102 filibusters upon filibusters

@krumpelschtiltzkeen Год назад

To JP's credit, neither does he.

@MickeyMouse-lm6zj Год назад

leftists when they're told to clean their room or something

@Tcrror Год назад

@@MickeyMouse-lm6zj You're not very bright.

@jacobodell5231 2 года назад

I love how Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, saw that one of his patients suffering with a drug addiction was spending all of his money on drugs when he got it and concluded that "poor people don't know how to handle money" rather than "my patient's disease is making him spend money on drugs instead of necessities." I feel bad for anyone who is a client of this man.

@maxwang2537 2 года назад

He uses generalisations madly yet he sometimes claims he’s a scientist. I almost died laughing 😂

@Vizivirag Год назад

I was also baffled. This psychologist doesn't know what addiction is?

@SuperStrik9 Год назад

@@Vizivirag To make it even more baffling Peterson himself was addicted to benzos. He was physically dependent on them and experienced hellish withdrawal symptoms coming off them. How he doesn't seem to understand addiction and what being physically dependent can drive a person to do is mind blowing.

@rayzecor Год назад

Did I misunderstand? I thought he said that money sometimes is bad; he wasn't just making the blanket statement that poor people are bad with money, just that sometimes people shouldn't be given more of it

@cascharles3838 Год назад

@@rayzecor he was using that anecdote as justification for his belief that if you give money to that 10% of people in society, they won't know how to use it properly and will waste it. It's a gross oversimplification and ignores the systematic issues which make it so much harder for people in poverty to hold onto money.

@cheeselovingtree 2 года назад

Imagine if your clinical psychologist told you that he didn't believe that people could fundamentally change

@DeathnoteBB 2 года назад

I stg, people call him a therapist, psychiatrist, and now a psychologist- Which is it, they’re not the same thing 😭

@moonfolkrapid 2 года назад

Well, it is unlikely for most people. Most of the change comes later in life when your psychological characteristics tend to become more pronounced. Ofc complete shift in your environment, like war situation etc., can change somewhat temporarily or permanently change it.

@superdeli47 2 года назад

@@moonfolkrapid I think cheeselovingtree meant that a psychologist's career is built on the premise that people can fundamentally change with the psychologist's help. Otherwise why work in this field in the first place.

@JuanPabloSelvaje 2 года назад

@@DeathnoteBB He’s a psychologist. That’s the right one to call him. Why are you mad?

@DeathnoteBB 2 года назад

@@JuanPabloSelvaje “Why are you mad?” 1. I- Never said I was mad? I was reasonably frustrated and confused… 2. Because _they’re not the same thing._ It’s like calling someone a gardener, botanist, and herbalist when you really mean one of those things. It’s nonsensical, useless, and confusing.

@edgarallenhoe3518 2 года назад

Peterson's refusal to define the actual problem is maddening. "There's is nothing for 10% of the population to do" sure SOUNDS like a problem, but he's missing the very last step. How is this actually affecting the world right now? Is there 10% of the population that can't get jobs and are suffering because of it? So we need to find a way to fit them better into society, by making jobs for them? Or is 10% of the population failing at jobs that they aren't able to do, and employers should be free to fire them? Peterson's great trick is to stop right before he finishes his argument, so that in order to disagree with him you have to infer his conclusion, giving him the ability to dismiss you immediately because "I never said that." It's cowardly and brilliant at the same time.

@Rawnblade13 2 года назад

Given his politics, I'm pretty sure I know what his solution would be to these so-called useless people...

@shelbypowell9919 2 года назад

Problem A exists. Problem A must be solved. Solutions B, C and D have been proposed. Solution C and solution B won’t work for reasons I will spend the next six hours discussing in detail. I maintain the problem must be solved but offer no alternative solution. [Solution D is eugenics and genocide. I’ll just leave that there for you to pick up on.]

@christopherrushdudley 2 года назад

He is apparently incapable of listening to ideas outside of capitalism's dark, sad box.

@minhducnguyen9276 2 года назад

@@christopherrushdudley "Muh culture Marxists!" Man literally dodging every Marxist or socialist wo can and are willing to debate him.

@EmoBearRights 2 года назад

@@Rawnblade13 And it may well be final.

@marcybons Год назад

literally so easy to diagnose this guy with "divorced because his wife got sick of being treated like she was literally an inferior being, also rolled her eyes at his bullshit a bunch before she finally left" it's unreal

@bigbrothertw Год назад

he has hostage wife energy

@fourthmatchflame Месяц назад

@@notthatLeia i mean, hes certainly charismatic.

@spuriousgeorge7233 Месяц назад

@@fourthmatchflameIs he, though?

@fourthmatchflame Месяц назад

@@spuriousgeorge7233 i mean it is just word vomit but it is, if you are a certain kind of person, very compelling word vomit.

@Hyper_1989 2 года назад

I actually died laughing when you cut to him in a completely quiet room followed by him saying "free speech" as if he hadn't slept for a whole week.

@cuzned1375 2 года назад

RIP

@connorsullivan1855 2 года назад

I had the same response. I felt like it was the start of some interpretive stage show, where he is going to start dancing or other people are going to come out and act out a scene behind him, but nope it's him dramatically explaining a very basic conversative idea.

@J5L5M6 2 года назад

Hahaha, I giggled my silly ass off. Now you're dead and I'm assless.

@randyohm3445 2 года назад

For a second I wondered if my browser had crashed. I guess he fell asleep standing up, woke up, didn't remember what he was there to say, and just blurted out the first thing that came to mind. :D

@aquelajuno9701 2 года назад

LMAO same 💀💀💀

@UdarRusskihPudgei 9 месяцев назад

When I was a kid, my mom, a college teacher, brought me Eysenck's IQ Test book, with ~10 variants of test. And I solved them all during a weekend. At the first one I got around 110, and last ones I easily solved for 140. So it is either a greatest intellectual improvement in human history, or IQ just shows how someone is good at solving poorly defined logical puzzles.

@TragicHeroine-kd6uy 5 месяцев назад

Peterson really solved one of these and got a high result and thought he is the chosen one huh

@Linkman8912 4 месяца назад

@@TragicHeroine-kd6uynah he's just the only one who knows the truth... Right?

@Freaky0Nina Месяц назад

I remember when i took an iq test when i was 10 years old. I got a point less for answering a knowledge wrong. I was asked how much a "dozen" is. I wasn't sure whether it was eleven or twelve. I guessed the former and got points deducted. So. Luck is definitely a factor.

@imjonathan6745 28 дней назад

iq tests are made by humans, just that fact alone is already enough reason for us to question this tests.

@nolanhanna 2 года назад

"some rich people *are* parasitical but some aren't" but also ALL poor people are parasitical and just want government handouts to spend on drugs. Super consistent jordy

@espeon871 2 года назад

Ah yes people who exploit people for gain and hurt them, (parasite activity) arent all parasites cuz they give money (bare fucking minimum also not always guarenteed) arent parasites but poor people being exploited (like parasite host) who want handouts cuz no money (to live and keep up and survive cuz of parasite) are bad actually cuz capitalism yummy Dude if u use his parasite model literally his argument is debunked lol so like what's up

@derp195 2 года назад

I don't think it's inconsistent, just terrible and simple. Not all rich people are good, no good people are poor.

@alex.g7317 2 года назад

@@derp195 that’s true

@SharkyMcSnarkface 2 года назад

@@derp195 "No good people are poor" Whatever keeps you awake at night, man.

@Kyrielsh1 2 года назад

@@SharkyMcSnarkface Isn't he/she simply rewording Peterson's statement?

@jmv333 2 года назад

I was one of those classically 'gifted but arrogant' undiagnosed ASD kids at the age going into high school, and I remember getting an IQ score of 124 and being so mad that I didn't get a 'genius' score (140), so I took another test, and another, and another, I googled tips & tricks, I practised over and over and over because I needed so badly to be my dumb kid idea of 'clever'. Eventually I managed to get a score of 161, a jump from the 7th percentile to the 0.007th, in no more than a couple months. Considering that I am also a total idiot, then if that story doesn't prove how little merit IQ tests have, then idk what does, love the vid!

@christopherrushdudley 2 года назад

I scored a 160+ in middle school and have f'd up, destroyed, and pretty much ruined almost everything I've touched in life ever since, always thinking I was smarter than everyone and it was their fault. I'd trade 50 IQ points for a few emotional points.

@peachy_lili 2 года назад

@@christopherrushdudley that's too real. I score high too, but I don't have the sense god gave a tapeworm. ADHD doesn't help, but overall.. I am a paradoxical trashfire of smarts and bad decisions

@bills.prestonesq.5905 2 года назад

A mate of mine got into Mensa this way, God knows what he felt he had to prove. Of course this story is much sadder because he was a 25 year old man at the time, not a kid.

@wl9162 2 года назад

I score incredibly high on IQ tests and yet I nearly failed math in high school a couple times lol -- IQ doesn't even necessarily correlate with applicable academic proficiency all the time, and that's something people like Peterson and other IQ proponents really like to gloss over a whole lot...

@pipzog389 2 года назад

Thats because you practised it, no shit you got better

@greyfox4838 2 года назад

the thing with Peterson is that he really impresses centrist pseudointellectuals because he does this thing where he finds problems with everyone including conservatives, he says "these people who are trying to find solutions aren't smart enough to realize the problem is complicated" and everyone claps him for it, failing to see all he has said is that the problem is complicated and offers no complicated solution himself, he is contrarian for the sake of it and never says anything meaningful if you look carefully

@Kitty-the-Bunny 2 года назад

I know this is not the point but I like your icon

@immortalituss 2 года назад

and how do you measure genetic influences on genetics then? We knkw west africans have genetic predisposition for sprinting

@greyfox4838 2 года назад

@@immortalituss I don't want to crap on you, you're probably high, but I find it hilarious that I say "Peterson is contrarian and doesn't offer solutions" and your response to that is "how do we measure genetic influence on genetics?" I have no idea what you're on, cocaine maybe. But my response to you is: how do we measure scientific influence on science? Hmm?

@immortalituss 2 года назад

@@greyfox4838 i meant genetic influence on intelligence, sorry mistyped

@bathroomsexmurder 2 года назад

@@immortalitusslol wtf

@GarryDumblowski 2 года назад

The sad thing is, Peterson is touching on a genuine problem here, that there are disabled people who can't get jobs because their superiors are unwilling to provide them the tools they need to function. But, of course, instead of phrasing his argument in terms of "People have different needs and those needs don't take away from their worth and right to live a comfortable life", he phrases his argument in terms of "Some people are inherently better than others"

@thisisthewaterandthisisthe3254 2 года назад

Honestly disgusting 😔 He is so lame

@jeanpaulmichell7243 2 года назад

Worse than that, when Peterson says that there is nothing but NOTHING these people can contribute and NOTHING can be done about it, there is an ominous subtext to his statement; like society may have to send these reprobates off to an internment camp or some such. No way to profit off this demographic, they might as well be disposed of. It's this undertone to Peterson's words that comes across as creepy. He is a weird, conflicted man.

@taylorchapman7860 2 года назад

Not to mention the assumption that everyone should be participating as a worker in the capitalist system… There are so many ways to generate value that don’t rely on being a cog in that machine. Besides, if everyone feels like they have to work long painful shifts in 20 years, then what the heck is the point of all this “technological progress” anyway…

@zzzaaayyynnn 2 года назад

his ellipsis after stating the supposed issue leaves open the idea that we don't "need" these people...

@pantalaemon 2 года назад

yeah, and he does so because deep down he's not at all convinced that disability doesn't take away from people's worth and right to live a comfortable life. As evidence i submit the fact that he frequently talks to and is comfortable being on the same platform as nazis like stefan molyneux. (And before anyone makes the "well he's just not afraid of different ideas" argument; when's the last time you've seen JBP on an anarchist talkshow?)

@DanielBrice7f58a6 2 года назад

So, this is what I'm hearing: if it's genuinely the case that there are very few jobs for people with IQs below 85, then that's the best possible case I've ever heard for Universal Basic Income.

@unrightist 2 года назад

But you're coming out at it from the perspective of wanting a society that allows for every person to exist comfortably, whereas Petersen wants a society where everyone* needs to struggle, and those who can't reach comfort don't deserve it. *everyone who doesn't happen to be born rich or extremely lucky

@Julius064 2 года назад

But then the poors will breed!

@JonMartinYXD 2 года назад

Experiments with UBI have also destroyed Peterson's claim that poor people can't manage money. It turns out that living in poverty is brutally efficient at teaching people the value of a dollar.

@kylegonewild 2 года назад

@@JonMartinYXD People conflate a willingness to choose short-term comfort while living a hellish life every once in a while with an inability to even evaluate their situation and make hard decisions. It's elitism through and through.

@terawatt1 2 года назад

if you listen closely to what he doesn't say when he goes on about how hard it is to do anything and how nothing may be possible to be done, you can hear "we should euthanize the dumb, so us elites can profit even more"

@thecorraleseffect1182 Год назад

School psychologist here. When I evaluate a kid’s “IQ,” I’m more concerned about their individual cognitive differences-not how “smart” they are. Knowing that a child has trouble in a specific area (like the kiddos with ADHD or Autism who struggle with processing speed and working memory or the kids with SLD who have a hard time with auditory processing) is useful because it tells me how to design the child’s Individualize Education Plan (IEP) to best help. Just saying “we’ll, they’re just dumb” isn’t constructive at all-even when you’re working with a child with low cognitive and adaptive abilities due to an intellectual disability.

@squawkietalkie56 7 месяцев назад

Yeah. IQ measures a "central intelligence" based on several skills, but no one type of intellect to tie these skills together has been found. I personally have some trouble communicating verbally and focusing, and it definitely makes me feel "stupid" but it doesn't point to my math skills or how well i retain information. It's like if you colored in a drawing with markers and then said "i just used my fantastic new product, all art supplies© and yes, that includes markers, and you could do the same thing with plain old markers. But it is real!"

@KingoftheJuice18 2 года назад

The more I watch analysis of JBP, the more I just want to say, "Jordan, who hurt you and how?" I mean, for a psychologist, Jordan's lack of reflection on his own rage is kind of shocking. Here's a man who literally said that he would rather die than be "forced" to use someone's chosen pronouns.

@zzzaaayyynnn 2 года назад

Right. He is full of rage. And is raging even more now that he has some real fame.

@KaritKtana 2 года назад

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

@luna-p 2 года назад

The three people he s3xually harrassed, by reporting him would be my guess.

@christaylor9095 2 года назад

He outright publicly states that men should be monsters....

@luna-p 2 года назад

@@christaylor9095 Oh, but he didn't really mean that, you're taking him out of context 🤪🤪🤪 /ssssss

@quantheory 2 года назад

Jordan Peterson: "I had a client who spent his disability paycheck on drugs every single time. This 100% definitely happened, and also it's the disability program's fault, while poor little old psychologist me did nothing."

@PrettyPinkPeacock 2 года назад

It's such a lazy answer too. Even if the money seemed to cause the drugs, was the client actually okay whilst totally skint? Absolutely not and any basic understanding of addiction would tell you that. Maybe his money could be better managed but it doesn't mean no money was a solution! So binary.

@KSJAFN 2 года назад

He was also ashamed, horrified and repentant after being "completely dead".

@edwardcampbell8807 2 года назад

So what should he have done? Did he have power of attorney?

@kaemincha 2 года назад

right??? like some good ole DBT might have helped there but nope, Jordan just lets em die ig

@AmandaHugandKiss411 2 года назад

Peterson has spoken about his addiction with benzoy. He basically blamed everything about it and doesn't recognize his own role in it I.e. he works in the medical field and yet claims he was unaware of the potential addiction to this classification of medications. He went to a number of clinics but didn't like the idea that he had to do the work including dealing with withdrawal. He said he looked online for a better program. Then with his wealth flew to somewhere in Russia that at a extreme cost, paid to be put into a medical induced coma.... Seriously, look it up and watch some of his interviews on the subject. A few of them he burst into tears....conveniently.

@realsanmer 9 месяцев назад

Remember children: IQ tests only prove how good you are at solving IQ tests.

@Kevin_the_Caveman 8 месяцев назад

They're not even that good at measuring that, actually, as the same individual's result can vary greatly between two tests. IQ isn't even good at measuring IQ.

@spacedragon1453 7 месяцев назад

TRUE

@jacobwheeler6136 5 месяцев назад

Exactly

@thatswhatsgood24 5 месяцев назад

Hm it's almost as if ones ability to take in and regurgitate information may be related to their intelligence

@whatno5090 5 месяцев назад

This kind of misses the point of the video. Joel never debates the point that IQ is a metric connected to various other factors such as what jobs you may be able to occupy and sustain. Though IQ isn't probably as meaningful as we'd hope a meaningful statistic would be, IQ does have some meaning beyond a number, and even Joel seems to accept that in this video. If you claim IQ is meaningless to one of Peterson's followers, you won't get to any of the more significant problems in Peterson's rhetoric.

@AndyBestHP 2 года назад

Seeing these clips of him lecturing help me understand how he developed his idea of students as entitled or complaining etc. and why he joined the "PC has gone mad" lot: he somehow became a college prof through some broken system, despite being deranged. Then a bright, young and motivated new-gen of students get into the college and show up for their first lecture "wow, we made it, academia" .. and it's Peterson saying 'IQ testing is actually 100% real and people who score less than 87 cannot even dig a ditch, and we need to 'do' something about them' ... and the students are like 'what the actual f-ck' and legitimately think they have wasted their life working to get into a college program, then they question him or complain to staff. lol.

@anone.mousse674 2 года назад

Speaking personally, if I was in Peterson's class and he started saying that we need to 'do something' about low-IQ people, I'd just say "You mean by doing eugenics? Because that's what you're implying."

@synthstatic9889 2 года назад

“It’s disgusting of you to say I was implying the very thing I was implying! How dare you!” Also, do we have a name for this rhetorical trick?

@anone.mousse674 2 года назад

@@synthstatic9889 I call it The Name Blame Game, aka the "Stop calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi" defense.

@FTZPLTC 2 года назад

I would kind of like to see a lecture by him - ideally one where he doesn't think he's being filmed. Because based on these isolated clips, it seems like he lectures the same way he gives interviews; and if that's the case, that'd be completely useless to any actual student. Either way, a lecturer using the words "self-evident" is earning deep suspicion and scepticism.

@DMO-DMO-DMO 2 года назад

@@FTZPLTC "self evident" is the professorial version of "it's just common sense" lol

@TheAoide82 Год назад

My IQ is 143 and I've lived below the poverty line most of my adult life. Take that, JBP

@Dock284 Год назад

Yeah IQ is not a good way of measuring that kind of stuff. Even the people with the highest IQ can have to live on the streets while people with low IQ can live great lives.

@Redsky973 Год назад

"Up yours, woke moralists" 💀

@physics_lover100 6 месяцев назад

Your iq dose not 143

@Literallyjustmint 5 месяцев назад

@@physics_lover100and you don't love physics

@physics_lover100 5 месяцев назад

@@Literallyjustmint 😂🤣 okk ok

@duck6100 Год назад

Personally I think his position has always been "I want to do eugenics but would never straight up say that because I'd get cancelled"

@antlerbraum2881 Год назад

He looks like the type of guy who in the early 20th century would have been one of those mad scientists who dissects people and tries to find ‘racial impurities’.

@SadisticBlessings Год назад

This is precisely what Peterson is saying, though Big Joel pulls up short of straight up accusing him of it - when he says "it's a big problem (the low IQ population being genetically incapable of performing what he considers meaningful labor), and I don't know what the solution is," he's simply advocating for eugenics. Because if you believe that people having a low IQ is a problem for society, and that low IQ is caused purely by genetic factors and cannot be meaningfully improved through environmental improvements or societal intervention, then the only "solution" is eugenics.

@HazeLmao Год назад

jesus christ worst faith possible interpretation

@mister_kaniela Год назад

@@HazeLmao argue a better one😂😂 you people are in a cult

@wzywg Год назад

The irony being that there is no way to tell if he'd have survived in the realm we evolved from. Again, just the privileged decrying the failings of the underprivileged.

@GRsavedmylife 2 года назад

Big Joel, I really like your analysis of Peterson’s “listen to each other” argument. I was inclined to agree with the argument almost because of the argument itself: I think it’s important to listen to people you don’t agree with, and Peterson is one of those people. I didn’t get why people liked him before this video, but now I do, because he says a lot of things that sound very logical on the surface. But you shouldn’t have to listen to someone arguing in bad faith, or delegitimizing the struggles of others, or being a super obvious fascist. If my partner in the hypothetical couple situation initiated a conversation by screaming the one attack helicopter joke at me or calling me slurs, then yea i think an eye roll might be fitting there, at the very least.

@antediluvianatheist5262 2 года назад

It's called 'deepity.'

@imsotiredofthiscrap2341 2 года назад

@@antediluvianatheist5262 oh my god thank you i love this word sm

@Nyyre 2 года назад

he a fascist?

@kg7219 2 года назад

i actually agree with the notion that u should listen to people u disagree with, but u should also have the opportunity to give ur perspective as well. other people should give u the same courtesy. jordan peterson does not do that. he wants u to listen to him but does not want to listen to u. i have had some of the best conversations with people i disagree with, and ive learned a lot from them. the issue comes about when u ask why he is telling us to listen. what story is he trying to tell by giving us this listening idea? he is an arrogant hypocrite who uses platitudes and pseudo intellectual ideas to sell snake oil to insecure young men basically lmfao

@hcxpl1 2 года назад

I think you touched on a key point that is missing on thr whole "you should listen to people you disagree so you can learn something" that that only works when the person is being honest and opening up their experience or how they understand things or whatnot, not simply anything anyone is spouting for the sake of it or bc they don't even think about what they say. Not to mention that only bc you might learn something doesn't mean their points are any good at face value.

@Zahaqiel 2 года назад

Ah yes, Jordan "It's impossible to train people to be creative, adaptive thinkers" Peterson. A psychological inspiration for the ages - the only psychologist who's willing to tell you he can't make you a better person, even while he sells books telling you he can make you a better person. It's that creative, adaptive thinking of his that does it. You just can't teach that! And neither can he.

@vaiyt 2 года назад

The idea is that YOU,who's primed to believe him, are special person material, while THEY who don't are hopeless idiots. It's nothing but the same flattery tactic that gives us Randroids.

@Mieze0503 2 года назад

Gold

@milofitness7726 2 года назад

His book is about fixing your life not about being more adaptive and creative this point doesnt make sense

@Zahaqiel 2 года назад

@@milofitness7726 And how does a non-creative, non-adaptive person fix their life exactly? How does one non-creatively, non-adaptively figure out what in their life is "broken"? How does someone take some very generic BS (admittedly wrapped up in some creatively adapted BS to hide how very, painfully generic it is) and apply it to their life without some level of creativity and adaptability? Then again, JP doesn't even follow his own books, so I guess the answer is that they don't. But perhaps you begin to see the point.

@hambospictures 2 года назад

Hahaha one of the best jokes/points I have ever heard

@phaerlax 2 года назад

I like it when big joel is challenged by insane tweets

@sista363 2 года назад

OMG i thought you are AOC😭😭

@phaerlax 2 года назад

I'm her cousin ey

@KAOST1ST1C-FN 2 года назад

@@sista363 All women on the left look the same.

@sista363 2 года назад

@@KAOST1ST1C-FN yeah. They look like ✨QUEENS ✨. Beautiful smart and they slay

@KAOST1ST1C-FN 2 года назад

@@sista363 that's right.

@leeloo6676 Год назад

Sometimes I'm convinced JP got his liscence from a cereal box, because I can't imagine how he actually managed to convince someone he could be a psychiatrist. Also, I love how Joel points out that Jordan says that the snake symbols were inspired by DNA strands, when in fact, it just looks like snakes fucking. Brilliant. Tells you how much the man "thinks" about stuff.

@DrakeCaliburn 2 года назад

Peterson: "You're poor because you're stupid." Me, someone who is unemployed with a masters in bio science and has an IQ of 145: "Hold on there. I think you are missing a lot of things." P.S. I know IQ doesn't mean jackshit but the fact that I am unemployed even though I have a Master's degree is probably more about the systemic stigma of disabled people (yes, I am wheelchair bound)

@isaganipalanca8803 2 года назад

I remember a pandering online site "estimating" IQ scores of celebrities giving Trump an IQ of 160...

@theomegajuice8660 2 года назад

@@isaganipalanca8803 Lol, I think they might have mixed that up with his cholesterol or his resting heart rate

@rockfire1669 2 года назад

Nah bro. If they bring out IQ, what right do they have to you for you to tell the truth. Like holy shit, if they are that high on their stuff BECAUSE of their IQ, see if they can even try to prove it.

@vladys5238 2 года назад

You don't have to respond but as a university chemistry student I am wondering do you have special accomodations to work in a lab or are you not doing lab work? Most apparatus i had to set up it's hard for me to imagine how someone in a wheelchair would do. Or is it that in bioscience most things you work with are level and can be done in a wheelchair?

@DrakeCaliburn 2 года назад

@@vladys5238 I went into human biology because I wanted to research how pollution affects people's health. I'm wheelchair bound because of the pollution where I grew up, so I've been trying to find a job in that field that could accommodate my disability. To be fair, I just graduated two months ago but having nothing to do is driving me insane. I do have a friend in the same field is working on getting me to be his research assistant, so it's not all bad. I'm just pointing out flaws in Peterson's logic with my own experiences

@liamking5142 2 года назад

It is extraordinary how long I was able to be a fan of Jordan Peterson's early lectures, assuming he was talking in good faith and that the problems he raised were meant in the spirit of improving people's wellbeing, like an actual lecturer in psychology concerned with the question of meaning whose solution to nihilism was "orient away from Nazi death camps." Hearing him say "10% of the population have trouble with the complexity of modern occupations and we haven't done anything to address this" back in 2015: damn straight, we need to revolutionise work and make it less needlessly bullshit. Hearing him say it now, in an interview with Stefan Molyneux, and go "I don't have a solution": god damn, it's going to be death camps, isn't it.

@randyohm3445 2 года назад

It's a fair bet that any time a conservative raises a problem but doesn't want to talk about solutions, it's because their preferred solution is too monstrous to say in public and they want you to draw that conclusion on your own so they can maintain deniability.

@kevinsantillans7415 2 года назад

Yes, considering the public he has this guy' ideas are dangerous.

@mjcrom 2 года назад

Be fair, it might not be eugenicist death camps… it might be eugenicist sterilization programs.

@Scootfairy 2 года назад

I agree. When Jordan said 10-15% can’t contribute to society, but I don’t “have a solution”, it does sound like, “I can’t say the solution out loud but if you’re a white supremisist, you know what I mean, wink wink.”

@valentine2911 2 года назад

He is the warm-up act for Final Solution 2

@Dock284 Год назад

I took an actual IQ test (not one of those cheap online courses) and my IQ is something like 75-80 within that general range but I'm doing great in life. I'm not the smartest man alive but I can do everything that people with 100 IQ can.

@mr.sandman7587 11 месяцев назад

@@Fatb0ybadb0y how does this count as dunning kruger? he's just using a personal anecdote to attack the credibility of IQ tests, which deserve all the attack they get. i don't see how he's claiming expertise or competence on a topic he isn't knowledgable in.

@shadenox8164 10 месяцев назад

@@Fatb0ybadb0y Uh no, no it is not. But you have helpfully demonstrated IQ is no substitute for learning what something is.

@Vivo119-jf4pp Месяц назад

Nice

@chelsgo8675 2 года назад

Ever since I watched Shaun's video on The Bell Curve, any time I hear someone bring up IQ my brain instinctively waits for them to bring up racial differences. And given enough time, they'll do it almost without fail.

@MCArt25 2 года назад

It's the "I'm not racist, but..." of social science

@DeathnoteBB 2 года назад

The funny thing is, if there are “racial” differences, the actual difference is culture. Standardized tests are apparently harder for people outside a very specific culture.

@sneakyjeeves5785 2 года назад

Yeah, totally, me too. I'm always waiting for something eugenics-y.

@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 2 года назад

@@sneakyjeeves5785 Yep! Always reminds me of phrenology too.

@KingBobXVI 2 года назад

I know you're just covering your bases with the "almost" in there, but I really don't feel like it's necessary, lol

@nalivai4862 2 года назад

I took two IQ tests in my life, one when I was a kid in a relatively poor family, in a country that just went through a revolution. My IQ was quite low at the time, according to the objective list presented by professor here, I was destined to be somewhere between mechanic and "factory production assembler". Later in life, my saint mother moved mountains to give me the ability to educate myself, (useless endeavor, according to esteemed professor, it's not like I can move stratas), our country got more stable and our financial situation got way better, and I took that test second time at the end of my uni. I got very high numbers this time, high enough to even maybe be a "Trainee" (really, professor, trainee? Just, like, in general?). Clearly all of this means that I am unique creature that could somehow defy my preexistent faith and jump from one group to another. I still don't know how it is possible, but as the only person on the planet who is able to do that, I think I need to be studied by the best iqologists out there. Maybe have my skull dimples measured or whatever real science they do

@bob-ng7ol 2 года назад

@@stephen1744 hasn’t thought of this cheers

@Junosensei 2 года назад

@@stephen1744 - I'm a geneticist and nothing of what you've said about this author or book sounds particularly controversial. It's also entirely possible we could, in time, learn about a non-zero innate genetic influence on IQ score. But IQ tests were created to evaluate a specific type of audience in a specific cultural and linguistic context, tailored to value certain cognitive skills _or_ ways of measuring those cognitive skills over others, meaning results are often self-fulfilling (eg. people who grow up in an environment that emphasizes verbal communication over numeric cognition are going to have an advantage in verbal IQ tests, but struggle with non-verbal IQ tests). We've never really been able to universally define "intelligence" outside of a very niche, culturally-specific context, so using IQ to determine this sounds like circular reasoning to me. It is also not particularly surprising that IQ tests can predict future "success" (which is the only angle it has been utilized in any meaningful way in science) because a lot of potential factors that influence IQ might also influence future success, but that doesn't mean IQ tests are useful for rating one's inherent genetic potential to become successful. Genetics alone cannot account for the multitude of variables that would affect cognition, intelligence, and/or success. IQ does have a few small uses in science, but they're very limited for this very reason.

@user-pd5ot4zd4b 2 года назад

@@stephen1744 I don't think the OP is trashing the notion that IQ has any predictive power, but he is making fun of the idea that a test taken at a specific time is an immutable predictor of future performance. The environment and resources available to the test taker prior to the test have been shown to impact the score. Peterson seems to throw his hands up and say, these folks are dumdums, hard problem, hand them a broom, while OP seems to suggest that policy changes could provide the environment that moves people closer to their natural limits. These "optimized" folks maybe get a wrench instead of a broom, live a better life, produce more, win -win, etc, blah blah. As far as I can tell, JP doesn't really address this possibility beyond scoffing at the idea of training a dumdum to be a software engineer, though I don't think anyone is suggesting that. I dunno, wicked tough problem man (throws hands up) :D

@psychicbyinternet 2 года назад

I think IQ tests are usually more based around education than intelligence so that would probably explain it.

@jo1stormlord 2 года назад

@@stephen1744 'Intelligence is highly heritable and predicts important educational, occupational and health outcomes better than any other trait.' Hard disagree. It is too wide a claim to be of any use. How do you define intelligence? How do you measure intelligence? How do you define educational, occupational and health outcomes? Also, there is a different sort of intelligence, like emotional intelligence or, for the lack of better word, physical intelligence. Some people are abstract thinkers. Other learn by doing. Anecdote time (I know you hate it because it is unscientific)! One of my best friends has only high school, economist vocation. His mother is college educated accountant. His father is high school educated metal worker. His sister has finished college as a technical designer. He might not have a college diploma and he might suck when it comes to math and calculations and, for the lack of better name, brute force problem solving. What he has instead is highly developed emotional intelligence. He is great at sales (including selling himself to an employer) and the way he solves a technical problem (for example, my MS Word document is out of alignment) is "try myself for half an hour, then call somebody else to fix it for me". Thus showing delegation and managerial skills. Now, if you took and measured his intelligence with a paper or online IQ test, you'll get a solid 93, maybe 97 IQ. But if you gave him oral test, his natural charisma and quick-wittedness would give you much higher score. He now works as business analyst and occasional tester, after years of successful career as a salesman. So, what would you say his intelligence is? What would you say are his occupational outcomes?

@sierrafarnum9689 2 года назад

A popular phrase I've heard in my Psych BA and my research position which studies cognitive development is "intelligence is what intelligence tests measure". When testing for a construct, you want to know what the construct is first so that you can then make a valid test. The problem with intelligence is, no one really knows what it is. If you don't know how to define intelligence, how are you supposed to make a test with construct validity? IQ tests reveal how well you've done on the test, not necessarily how intelligent you are.

@susanatkinson3978 2 года назад

Yes! Thank you!

@adamoutaleb7571 2 года назад

okay but iq is the scientific way to approach the concept of intelligence

@calisto789 Год назад

@@adamoutaleb7571 no it isn't.

@adamoutaleb7571 Год назад

@@calisto789 ok so iq test started with an observation : people who tend to be intelligent in one task ex : mathematics tend to be intellingent in other tasks by intelligent i mean better than others. this discovery sparked the idea of a general intelligence and the creation of the g-factor that is supposed to indicate how high this general intelligence is. and then we find out that this general intelligence is way more general than we tought its every thing that demand abstaction : language, memory, everything that uses your brain. if you are better at one of them you are usually better in everything that demand your brain. and we created iq test to mesure your "g" the first iq test were heavily influenced by your level of education and your culture but we have perfected them to the point that no matter how much you studied for them you cant score better they correlate at .9 to .95 to your "g"

@calisto789 Год назад

@@adamoutaleb7571 There no consensus agreement on "general intelligence" metrics that could include every variable needed to quantify a humans worth in society. That why no professional industry uses it to determine who they employ. They test for relevant skills in their field. A mathematician in a jungle is basically an invalid compared to a preteen member of a local tribe with intimate knowledge of how to survive in that environment. In that way, the tribe would likely consider the mathematician an idiot for his lack of knowledge of the forrest. But hes not dumb generally. Neither is the tribe generally. They grew up in distinct environments that facilitate certain skills, knowledge or ease at aqiuring those things. Take a baby from that tribe into the city to be adopted by professionals of some sort and that child will very likely grow up to be one themselves. Bring a baby born from a professional couple and raise them to live in a jungle, they will learn whatever their environment demands of them. Human being are very adaptable and iq just isnt a very helpful metric when it comes to solving social problems.

@renendell Год назад

It's just eugenics wearing a mustache and a funny hat.

@tos100returns 2 года назад

I took an IQ test and scored very well. And yet, I am unemployable because I've committed the crime of being over 50 years of age. The system is broken.

@dolfuny 2 года назад

Truly an unforgivable crime lol

@bestaround3323 Год назад

How dare you be over 50? You clearly need life in prison to straighten that issue out.

@christopherrushdudley 2 года назад

The worst thing about Peterson is that he pulls in a certain demographic that is genuinely seeking reason and meaning, and he fills that need with his weird, vacuous, dog-eat-dog nonsense.

@facelessdrone 2 года назад

Yeah, the ammount of otherwise genuinely smart people ive met that believe his dogshit? Its embarrassing and pathetic that he hasn't been laughed to hell publicly on all platforms for all the joker fans and intellectually dishonest tryhards to feel some real shame in their life for falling for his manipulation. Because thats all it is, he plays the part of pretending to be a woke smart guy, but he's really just some old coot that took drugs once and thinks that means he's enlightened and more socially aware than everybody combined, he's the type to dismiss Stephen Hawking for being "too woke" as if empathy and a nuanced understanding of others is a bad thing...

@wildoaklane3 2 года назад

His videos are a good stepping stone to reaction videos like this

@christopherrushdudley 2 года назад

@@wildoaklane3 That's a good point.

@igoralmeida9136 2 года назад

very similar to socialists

@nfzeta128 2 года назад

@@wildoaklane3 or much, much worse videos.

@mcarpen89 2 года назад

He words his arguments very cleverly to absolve himself of the burden of proof. 8:39 "The relationship between poverty and intelligence is self-evident if you're willing to think it through for any length of time." In other words, if this relationship he claims exists is NOT self-evident to you, you simply haven't thought about it enough.

@imnotnotgameiacmaniac5327 2 года назад

he does this so much its infuriating he always words it in a way that claims you are stupid of delusional if you don't agree with him without actually saying it

@inefffable 2 года назад

Really, the only credit I can give JP is that his words are clever, but, as you pointed out, it's not to provide clarity: it's only to obfuscate the points he wants to stay hidden/ignored. The fact he got so lost in the culture war over the last few years and exposed himself as an intellectual fraud was p hilarious to me.

@Mathee 2 года назад

So basically an Emperor's New Clothes argument: "Only people who are smart can see this; if you can't see this, it's because you're an idiot"

@paulsmart4672 2 года назад

It *is* self-evident if you're willing to consider it for any length of time, though. It's just that Peterson isn't willing.

@Graknorke 2 года назад

this proof is left as an exercise for the listener

@brianp3570 2 года назад

Fun fact: "Jordan Peterson" is the correct way to pronounce the word "eugenics" in a Toronto accent

@paulsmart4672 2 года назад

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@katyungodly 2 года назад

The fact that people find Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro intelligent tells you a lot about our society. It's theatrical intellect.

@inefffable 2 года назад

Or they're just great actors. I think it's pretty easy to fall for a well-crafted con when you aren't suspecting it.

@facelessdrone 2 года назад

@@inefffable its pretty easy to see through, too, if you genuinely consider their words... and besides all that, their cadences are equal to nails on a fucking chalk board, they exude annoying egotistical frat-boys best friend energy. They were praised as kids for being mature Their age and then rode that high for the rest of their lives and carreers.

@inefffable 2 года назад

@@facelessdrone definitely easy to see through, I agree. I think that's why we see a lot of people get out of the pipeline and realize "wow I actually nodded along to this guy?" I just think if you are unsuspecting/assuming positive intent and in a mindset of giving the benefit of the doubt (generally how I think people tend to operate, myself included, esp in comfort of own home browsing The Internet), it's easy to get sucked in. Hope you have a nice day :)

@aeririahelmold 2 года назад

They are obviously intelligent people its just that they reach crazy conclusions for whatever reason

@polydynamix7521 2 года назад

Well I think it's relatively speaking. College educated right wing extremist is the 2nd rarest specimen of conservative- right behind conservative comedians.

@sugarfrosted2005 2 года назад

It turns out that "it's really complicated to explain why" he thinks they're DNA means it came to him in a hallucination. He thinks he saw DNA when he was on shrooms. And he believes in a collective unconscious. Those combined gets there. He explained it in a discussion with Richard Dawkins.

@elvingearmasterirma7241 2 года назад

Okay who let him do mushrooms

@rgs8970 2 года назад

oh boy

@marspower1288 2 года назад

bruhhhh this man is unhinged, I feel bad for anyone to have ever been his student or patient

@AZ-ty7ub 2 года назад

He takes his belief in a collective unconscious and takes that to mean Joseph Campbell's monomyth (which is not actually universal) is a result of the collective human subconcious and that archetypes are real and should be enforced. It's bonkers.

@Romanticoutlaw 2 года назад

somehow this doesn't surprise me

@austinwinstead6543 2 года назад

Jordan Peterson’s assertion that “IQ is the metric that determines if someone is good and/or capable of anything” is essentially just eugenics. I am shocked that a University ever let him teach.

@joshuahitchins1897 2 года назад

There's a reason he says "there isn't a good solution" because he damn well knows what final solution he is gesturing towards.

@lord125000 2 года назад

The funny thing is, I recently watched a video that did an analysis on JBP (I can't remember the video off the top of my head) but it went a bit on how he got into being a professor at the University of Toronto. He got referred for the position from another prof there that had a really good impression from a speach or presentation that he did, saying it helped him in his personal life. Then after Peterson started teaching and students were like" He chamged my life and stuff" and the guy that reffered him saw that JP was a really good motivatinal coach and stuff, but he didn't really teach the subject of psychology very well to the stundents. They came out of the class more as if they went to a Tony Robbins speach or similar. If I remember the video I'll link it here.

@camelopardalis84 2 года назад

@@lord125000 Are you talking about the fairly recent Some More News video on him?

@camelopardalis84 2 года назад

Even if you want to buy into it: An IQ of below 85 (or 87, as shown in the list of jobs) is ridiculously high for someone to be considered incapable of doing any kind of useful job. I've both worked as a cleaner and spent a significant amount of time around people who have IQs of between 50 and 85. An IQ of 50 is absolutely compatible with working a useful job. In some cases, these jobs would need to be adjusted (less unwarranted "I don't need to show you how to do your job, I am not responsible for it, just do it" in situation where it is extremely unclear what the "obvious" way to do that job could be and with which very intelligent people struggle just as much if not more), and in some cases you could leave them exactly as they are (or make them a bit more challenging, to prevent bore-out).

@camelopardalis84 2 года назад

Also, since when is it actually necessary for everybody to work? So much nonsense work is being done. You could easily make the cut-off at an IQ of 100 and say that everybody with a lower IQ (and below the age of, say, 20) is forbidden to work, and still end up with a perfectly functional society.

@Kraaketaer 5 месяцев назад

That free speech/listening argument falls flat for not only the reasons you (excellently) pointed out here, but also for the simple reason that it presupposes that all actors are always acting in good faith. Which, well, they aren't. And it's pretty difficult, given Peterson's politics, to not see this as a backhanded, preventative defense of the typical bad-faith arguing tactics used by his ideological allies, essentially trying to guilt his opponents into thinking they have a moral obligation to not refuse to listen to trolls but to engage with them as if they're trying to have a good faith discussion. It's all BS, all the way down.

@MidTierVillain 5 месяцев назад

Exactly, giving those trolls respect, and time, to argue against horrible takes & bigoted rhetoric, has done nothing but make the trolls relevant- nobody wins, or even changes their stance.. they just become a name, and face, more ppl on that side recognize.

@lilstevechan8427 3 месяца назад

You nailed it. Peterson associates with a LOT of bad faith actors who just want to push a conservative agenda, so his requirement that all actors must be listened to as a precondition opens the door for bullshit to be blown through a megaphone.

@realitypoet 2 года назад

SI has been in the process of rebranding their swimsuit issue to be a women-centered lifestyle magazine more than catering to men for a few years now, and I had the joy of being put in charge of SI’s customer service line right when that change started - and since I had nobody to tell me what I could or couldn’t say since the company was in the middle of a big restructuring and they replaced the whole customer service team with me I had the freedom to pretty much tell a bunch of angry men to shove it and we already have their money so there’s nothing they can do about it bc we don’t give refunds to entitled pricks. It was great.

@doublinx2 2 года назад

Unimaginably based

@nfzeta128 2 года назад

This why you don't get too attached to brands, especially in today's world. One, because brand doesn't mean what it used to; two, because there will always be some other brand or company that will come along to fill in the gap once the demand is there.

@realitypoet 2 года назад

@@nfzeta128 yeah they did lose a lot of subscribers but they got a lot better brand deals, celebrity partnerships and ad revenue that way more than made up for the decrease in sales so all in all it was a good business decision regardless of the boomer dudes who can’t figure out how to Google image search for women in bikinis

@nfzeta128 2 года назад

@@realitypoet Honestly conservatively minded people have such a weird way of thinking it intrigues me sometimes, when it isn't annoying me that is.

@VesnaVK 2 года назад

Isn't that bait and switch, though? If my Family Handyman rebranded to be a cooking magazine halfway through my subscription, I'd call for a refund. I guess that would make me an entitled prick? To assume I was entitled to the thing I bought, instead of some random other thing?

@pseudonymjones Год назад

You made it through this whole video without saying the word “eugenics” and I take that to mean you’re more disciplined than I am 🤭 when Jordan says he doesn’t have a solution for poverty/low IQ I feel like he’s expecting the viewer to connect the dots and think what he doesn’t want to say aloud - “our world doesn’t have a place for these people so maybe they shouldn’t be in it.” That’s the end result of all the talk of Truth and the human body - anyone who doesn’t meet the ideal is an aberration to be erased.

@blackhogarth4049 Год назад

Precisely. Peterson is knowingly using a fascist dog whistle.

@LoudCommentor Год назад

If you listened to his longer clips you would not feel that at all. He seems to me like he genuinely cares about all people (whether that is misguided or not aside). He wants them taken care of, not gone. He points out a problem he sees that he has no solutions to -- what's wrong with that? Or can we only point out issues if we ourselves have the one perfect solution? I'd also note that here his lecture is about psychology, IQ, and what it teaches us, NOT politics.

@Chazzmatazz Год назад

@@LoudCommentorFaux paternalism.

@LoudCommentor Год назад

@@Chazzmatazz What has Peterson said or done that makes you think his care for these people is fake?

@Chazzmatazz Год назад

@@LoudCommentor His clear and consistent unwillingness to recognize that they serve a human/cultural purpose.

@Elfos64 10 месяцев назад

Most people who say they believe in personal responsibility think that just means "everyone needs to hold themselves accountable for their own lot in life without unfairly blaming others", but responsibility also necessarily means "everyone needs to hold themselves (and each other) accountable for how their actions negatively affect others- intentionally or not, individually and collectively". People tend to forget the latter part.