i wouldn’t doubt that, they’ll do anything for profit. they’re a company labelling themselves as “empathetic” which is impossible, companies solely care about profit and nothing else, no matter how much they attempt to personalize and humanize their brand.
Oh i've been waitingggg for someone to talk about this. Always found it super weird that they had a marginalised group "debate" their right to exist with the very people who are making their lives harder. Like....marginalised groups are tired of explaining themselves, and the opposition doesn't want to change their view, so WHO do they think this is benefiting?
@@kookystae right?!? plus the amount of people i see calling a blatant genocide an "overstatement" is baffling. it is literally the textbook definition of genocide and people are still finding a way to justify it?? what kind of sick world are we living in
Their video "Convicted Child Murderers vs 3rd Graders" was actually really nuanced and it was nice seeing everyone come out of it with a new perspective. It's just too bad we lost young Brandon in the process :(
The Israel Palestine video was fucking wild even back then. You had the Palestinians go first and describe how harrowing the experience of being pushed out of their homes has been. And then the Israelites start talking about how inconvenient it is that Palestinians are there and how annoying they are….TO PALESTINIANS
i like how neither represent the majority because palestinians are indocrinated to hate israelis and israelis do actually feel for palestinians considering they have the same enemy h@mas
Not Israelites. Israelis is the term you’re looking for. Israelites refers to the common ancestors of Jews, Samaritans, and many Palestinians who lived in the region thousands of years ago. Israelis are the current citizens of Israel. But yeah that sounds disgusting and tone deaf.
Their Israel / Palestine video is especially bonkers imo. If Jubilee and RU-vid existed in 1940s Germany I'm sure that they'd create a smug, condescending, melodramatic video where the Nazi deathcamp guys and their Jewish prisoners find some kind of moral middle ground
I was baffled at every clip! "They are hiding in the hospitals" So hostage negotiations should end with bombing a whole building including the hostages? How is a Palestinian supposed to argue with someone who has dehumanized him to this degree? Its beyond useless, its downright cruel.
I used to watch them for their mole videos because i thought they were silly. I started distancing myself right after middle ground became a thing/when i noticed them. Few were reasonable but then later became more of a oppressed group vs people who think they should remain oppressed. Somebody once mentioned it but giving both sides a platform felt like when a teacher would stop a bully by blaming the behavior of both kids and not the aggressor
i think the only reasonable middle ground is have ever watched is the autism episode. i dont think jubilee wants debates, its just people getting angry at each other. for example, how could they put lgbt+ people right in front of homophobes/transphobes and not expect something bad to happen.
It reminds me of TheShadeRoom. They say they make fun content just to show ppl on what’s going on in the media but they actually just purposefully rile ppl up to say harmful shit so they don’t have to say it themselves.
@@withtene what is reasonable abt having people with a marginalized disability try and explain their existence? the allistic people might think of it more often but its not gonna do anything for autistic people who are in a world structured directly against them leading to the high rates of suicidal ideation and unemployment seen in autistic individuals and its unlikely to spread any awareness or lead to further supportive resources and funds towards programs/organizations (Not autism speaks obviously lol) (tho arguably our world structure isnt beneficial to anyone other than those wealthy and lucky enough to be born a certain way and in a position to escape and ignore problems) while of course the most effective way to learn abt autism is from an autistic person, setting it up as a "debate" or discussion on youtube in which the title literally implies there is a middle ground to be found between two positions isnt doing that, it isnt educational nor from a place of good faith its cheap and exploitative click bait putting people in uncomfortable and disingenuous positions with a condition/state of existence/lifestyle thatll get views often with leading or probing questions looking for inflammatory or emotional answers genuinely hope this doesnt come off as rude tone is extremely difficult over text 👍
@@msjkrameyit’s been a while since I watched the vid but basically the questions proceed to make being a felon a irredeemable label that disqualifies you toward human rights. There was even one question that almost made one of the formerly incarcerated participants walk out. Overall it’s just disgusting to make people argue for their humanity in the guise of “civil discourse.”
@@maxsoncadet3124 jeez. I understand being mad (particularly at certain types of criminals), but that doesn't mean they're less human or deserve less rights. That's wild. Thanks for answering btw!
@@msjkramey All of the video was the ex-cons bringing up some valid points and the cops going "not all cops!!!" then later confirming they're one of the cops being talked about, really not worth a watch unless you want to get infuriated lol
@tamago5765 thanks for the warning. As someone who got PTSD from police brutality. I try to avoid shit like that. But at the same time, it's kinda healing to hear from others with similar experiences, so it's difficult to navigate what's good content and what's copaganda
I don't think it should be an unpopular opinion that I shouldn't be forced to "hear out the other side" if they want my existence gone, nor do I think it makes me shallow minded for not entertaining it or not "being the bigger person" (aka i don't take bigotry with grace)
its always hilarious when people pull the whole "so much for the tolerant left!" when u say stuff like that, like yeah no shit? a real leftist doesnt believe in respectability politics or tolerating bigotry, they think of liberals as the left when theyre just glorified centrists no one with genuine left wing values believes in hearing someone with inherently violent beliefs out just for the sake of being seen as tolerant lmao
@@SarastistheSerpentbut if you never debate you’ll never get anywhere. There’s a good chance talking passionately about your side will not make people listen, but screaming it at them will also not make them think. If they won’t listen to even a calm and collected explanation of civil rights then yeah they are no longer worth your time
@ajakakakak Babes, they said they wanna have a convo with someone who thinks their rights are up for debate. As someone who has tried to talk about multiple former close friends about their LGBTQIA+ cronky opinions, sometimes it doesn't feel worth it to stick around with someone you know kinda counts you as disgusting. And the person you are responding said nothing about screaming, they were talking about not talking to certain people. So your comparison does not apply here (and I ask you to self-examine where it does come from). Talking to these people who have hateful opinions is important, yes, but that entire burden should not be placed on the marginalised person they have these feelings towards. It's something everyone who considers themself to be an ally to these communities or wants to see change should also be doing, among other things.
it’s funny how an international court(the only institution who can legally decide if something is or isn’t genocide)ruled that israel is not in fact commiting genocide but i guess the free palestine people are way more concerned about virtue signaling than actually caring about innocents
My favorite Jubilee moment is in their autism video, where they straight up made the most important part of the video (the bit on employment) a Patreon exclusive. For context the autism unemployment rate is 80%, so it'd be a very important topic to put in the video if they were actually trying to be informative.
I mean I'm an autistic person and I found that video refreshing in the sense that nobody was at each other's throats like how it's been in other middle ground videos and everyone got along for once. But I agree the autism unemployment bit should not have been patreon exclusive
Ugh I hate how they do 'patreon exclusive' prompts. I'm not totally against the concept of doing "conversation" style videos, but the fact that they make some people's trauma paid content feels super icky.
The Israel vs Palestine video was ridiculous and honestly the argument was ended the first time when the Palestinian guy asked the Israeli guy where his grandfather 7 generations ago was from and he said Poland and then the Palestinian guy said mine was in Palestine
It really reminds me of Ben Shapiro having a conversation with his friend who is a gay married man and them basically saying "we don't agree in our morals and human rights. But it's okay bc we can talk about it and disagree with grace" like WHAT?
Are you talking about his conversation with Dave Rubin? That shit was especially bad because I'm pretty sure Shapiro told Dave Rubin to his face that he wouldn't go to his wedding or it was the other way around
@@count_rizzulaBen "I'll go to a gay barbeque but not a gay wedding" Shapiro, congratulating himself on being civil as he says to one of his presumed friends that his marriage is a sham and an affront to God. Normal and fine things.
I remember when we were taught debate in school it was VERY structured. You came prepared with your points, presented your case. Listened to your opponent. Wrote down rebuttals and gave them. Then did your conclusion and a winner got picked. Debate isn’t whatever the hell Ben Shapiro was doing
In my opinion jubilee has like three outcomes: 1. You are already educated and are annoyed at the amount of platforming done to bigoted people 2. You're not informed and the bad ideas seem to have a lot more credibility than they do or 3. You're a bigot and you can use the other bigoted people in those videos to confirm your bias
I mean they are trying to show us the reality of the world. Yes they allow bigots to talk, but for guys like me, it's a reminder of how different bigots exist in this world and how to learn to overcome them. Unless the bigots express themselves how would we be able to fix their and similar minded people's problem
@@karlschreiber-woods6743 This isn’t about right or wrong opinions this is about actual people’s human rights. If a guy comes up to me and wants to debate why they want to take away my life-saving medication I‘d tell them to f*** off. The kinds of debates Jubilee is platforming have almost always one side that would have their entire life made worse if the other side had their way, while the other way around everyone would be able to live normally.
It’s very moderate neoliberal “mmm yes let’s have a debate over human rights” and then pit marginalized people against MEDIA TRAINED PROFESSIONALS. Pretty much no one ever walks away having gained better insight, all there is at best is an impasse and at worst making the marginalized groups out to be emotional and hysterical for having their own right to exist argued against right to their faces.
Your last point is one I really want to highlight. This type of content really feeds into the "straight cis white male of reddit" vibe I see all the time lately where, because *all forms of oppression are entirely hypothetical to them* they think oppressed people who are upset with their oppressors are being "aggressive" and "intolerant", "emotional rather than logical" and "unwilling to compromise", which in terms feeds into their smug sense of superiority because they're not emotionally involved.
@@reflex9238"What Are Human Rights? Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status. Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination." Source(s) :United Nations Note, however, that your right to the freedom of expression does not override someone else's right to not be discriminated against in the aforementioned ways Hope this helps
@@kajamatousek247 I love it, you gave a massive tangent to something that doesn't even contribute to your point. Okay bud how is anyone discriminating again you don't explain that because you know you're wrong.
Middle ground is just outright depressing to watch, both because it's a "debate" between members of a marginalized community (seriously, how many "debates" about lgbtq have they done?) and people who are against them and because most of the time they walk away thinking the same things, just angrier. I just don't get the point of these, other than earning money on popular topics while also giving a platform to bigots.
even though they try to present as neutral i feel like theyre definitely more on the conservative side because the questions they ask are usually vile and almost always target the marginalized people in their videos. i get theyre trying to spark conversation between two polarized groups but thats just it, both groups are polarized. there is no middle ground that will be reached. i know me personally ive seen jubilee videos where i know i would never find a middle ground with one side and unsurprisingly thats what happens in the video.
Especially since they never get experts in or pause the "debate" and point out when someone has said something factually incorrect, deceptive, or manipulated context. They're willing to pump out absolute shit and call it a debate because it makes them money. Then they have the nerve to create content where they discuss getting their feelings hurt because people shit on the videos. Smh
@@harashe1000 that’s a great point to make. They do need some experts or researchers that can fact-check the debaters. That way, they can at least help prevent misinformation. Then again, just the concept of a marginalized community debating their rights with their oppressors is already flawed and dystopian honestly.
i remember there being two israel/palestine videos. if i remember correctly, in the first video, they had an iof colonizer and a palestinian man speaking with one another. the iof colonizer says he has ptsd from his time killing children. the palestinian man says he has ptsd from watching his brother get shot in the head by an iof colonized when he himself was a child. the iof colonizer says that the man that shot his brother has it worse than he does, because he has to live with that blood on his hands. these two populations are not the same.
Great video! My favorite Jubilee example was something like "Men's Right Activists VS Feminists"; the MRAs were all the type of terminally-online men who spend all day rehearsing rebuttals to feminist talking points as their primary hobby, and the "feminists" were just...some women. They seemed to have a very surface-level, pop-feminism understanding of gender issues (although that could have just been the Jubilee edit). No shade to those ladies but it takes a lot of knowledge about gender issues to genuinely engage with MRAs. Basically, it wasn't a fair fight at all!
aren't guys allowed to talk about their feelings or issues (somethings MRAs advocate for) and people calling it "toxic masculinty" for those who don't do it?? calling that a "hobby" doesn't seem right, not to mention that jubilee is a leftist channel, so they want feminists to look like the rational ones while demonitizing the others (BTW, that "intersectional" chick in that vid told kursat "came with your little resarch or whatever...", to me, that's feminist attitude, not some random women).
I think that was my first Jubilee video and it was wild because the MRA side was so laughably wrong and if I remember correctly, it felt like the feminists weren't even arguing the correct corresponding points. As a highschool competitive debater, I watched that video and it felt like a video proof that debating and public speaking is a skillset that is honed on its own.
The women’s day video is so gross, they’re trying to be like "well it’s not like we’re making men pick because that’s wrong, this is girls support girls and definitely not content made for men’s enjoyment." Idk if that makes sense 😭
“Let’s make women compete against each other and fuel their insecurities and men to watch and judge their bodies too, we did such a great women’s day video!”
@@Mia-ii1szits both, the are only doing this garbage because this type of content has gotten more popular as people are getting more divided, and they are also actively contributing to this same problem by participating in it
Kinda but I feel like jubilee is just an reflection of how people express opinions which is debating and not actually listening to what the other person is saying we have become more divisive due to misinformation and jubilee is just profiting off it
I accidentally visited their offices once in LA (worked in the same building on different floors) and they were joking about how they just find groups that hate each other. The frustrating thing is that they usually pick niche influencers to represent the points of view (bc it's los angeles and its really just about the money) who are already well versed in being entertaining for the camera
@Xxsorafan it really pissed me off bc the asian American video is just all tiktokers. The black political spectrum is also all tiktokers. Like it's really just one big ad. It's like the whatever podcast is literally just an onlyfans ad for the girls
Wait you guys can go into each other's offices despite working for different companies. Jubilee's doors should have been locked and only accessible to the employees. Where I work there's a building pass and there's also a separate company pass. Was it your first day or did someone from Jubilee assumed you worked there and just let you in? Sorry but I'm sceptical.
Thank you oh my god 😭 the detransitioner video was so appalling and infuriating and... I avoided the channel like the plague after that. Its just a cheap way to pretend to be neutral, even when youre exerting influence over the overton window. Also the point about tattoos is so fucking stupid and if i ever hear it again-- okay im feeding into the rage again
I didn’t even watch that one bc I KNEW I’d get way too upset. I detransitioned and I don’t even give people the time of day if they see folks like me as nothing more than a weapon for their gain. “Transgender people deserve to live? Well THIS PERSON isn’t transgender, so there!” Like??? I actually don’t regret my decisions and believe my trans siblings deserve safety to transition but that doesn’t fit the traditional westerner’s argument so it doesn’t matter 😅 I agree that it’s them pretending to be neutral! Pitching a fight between people is already crazy, but then making themselves into some sort of revolutionary for doing so??? Weird af😂
@@AKA253 Thank you for not turning against trans people (which shouldn't even be a thing I have to thank you for, but social media makes it difficult for me personally to find detransitioners who aren't maliciously trying to prevent people who need to transition to be able to do so) we're all just trying to find ourselves, including those who detransition. I'm glad you were able to find yourself and I hope you're doing well.
@@神の人-f2kIt's not that the discussions shouldn't be had, but that bad-faith discussions shouldn't be had. Jubilee brings on people who will be guaranteed to start a fight just because people like seeing extremists for different reasons. They either reinforce their beliefs or they're entertainment for people who disagree with them. The extremist character will talk over people, start arguments (not arguments as in debates, but literal yelling, screaming arguments), and a moderator (if there's one) will have to tell them to stop. It creates drama and can also make an underdog/kind character that people feel bad for if the extremist targets someone specifically. These discussions would be good, but not if they're run like how Jubilee does it. Jubilee only wants to make a story and a drama video for views, not host a real discussion where people calmly talk to one another about their different opinions with a real neutral moderator.
I figured out real quick how fake Jubilee was after I realized that they'd make these very polarizing, rage bait videos but would never moderate the many bigoted things people were saying in their comment section. So much for "promoting understanding" 😒
I find it frustrating how we're supposed to find middle ground on everything, but for some things, there shouldn't be middle ground. Some people are just genuinely being the apathetic and cruel ones to an oppressed group of people.
FINALLY somebody rightfully criticizing this shit. I get so annoyed seeing all of the 'reaction' content based around this channel because it all feels so exploitative and weird.
"Its straight up evil to expect people to see eye to eye with their oppressors" damn that hit deep. You are so right. People in my country were colonized by another middle eastern country not that long ago and everyone acts like we are supposed to forget what happened and forgive them. Which I agree that a random person from that country is not the fault for what happened but you can't expect me and especially not my grandparents to act like everything is okay between us. I feel like more people need to hear what you said
Hit the nail on the head. That line of common sense applies to so many conflicts between countries nowadays and it needs to be heard out Obviously a random person from a country that has oppressed another isn’t automatically an enemy and assuming that all citizens think the same is unwarranted and ridiculous, but that can co-exist with being completely within your right to not forget what happened
This vid and funky frog baits most recent video need to be directly streamed into everyone’s homes in America. Ragebait is at an all time high, WE need to be better and we need better media comprehension and literacy.
One of the biggest problems I have with the 'Middle Ground' episodes is that one side will have people who have a career in media/debate, but then the other side is usually just random people who, at most, have a lot of instagram followers. It's pretty clear that they don't actually care about fairness, they just want heated moments that get them clicks.
The conservative trans people vs liberal trans people was badly put together. Blossom was just awful, and the rest of the liberals were ordinary people off the street. Meanwhile, many of the conservatives were professional pundits or had expertise in some of the questions being asked. If you're going to ask a question about Trump's trans military ban, but you only bother to bring an actual servicemember to one side, that's not going to be an enlightening conversation.
saji is so perfectly eloquent and can get their point across without making it feel like you're dumb for not knowing what hes talking about. its a real skill ❤
so well said. it feels a peer talking to you about something they’ve learned a lot about recently/already know about who just wants to help you learn and you are just happy to learn
Finally somebody said it, i was already started to dislike that format, after the "Israel vs Palestine" video and watching it fully, i unsubscribed. Imagine if they did "english colonizer vs indian"... The same thing, how do they not realise it. Not to say that people shouldn't have conversations, but the way they put it, like they can come out of that with an answer that stands right in the middle. "I'll stop killing your population, as long as you'll let me use your people's labour for free"
As if a women of color who isn’t a feminist has any more knowledge or right to disprove feminism as a women of color myself that’s literally ridiculous
It's not about actual feminism, it's about modern feminism. Modern feminism isn't there for actual POCs. That's why there are many people of colour who don't agree with it
and its like, actual scholars write books on feminism. most books against feminism are just written by some successful man that has no real knowledge on the subject besides having 2 ex-wives.
I have been talking about that with some friends a few days ago like excuse me??!!?!! It is like we are living in an alternate universe, where people are literally monetizing off an on-going Genocide. How is that okay? Feels like a Black Mirror episode ngl.
@@m1ndcyber 0/10 no one asked your opinion it's not a genocide and we can talk if you want to say something but clearly you have to use tiktok unoriginal comments
Thank you so much for making this video. I had the opportunity of appearing on Jubilee's "Should Minors Transition Video" and the entire shoot just felt like a huge ambush-- it immediately became super clear that Jubilee wasn't interested in fostering a real conversation at all; 2 of the 3 people on the "opposing side" of the conversation weren't even on board with adults transitioning so there was just absolutely no room for a meaningful discussion 😭
Jubilee and legacy media have the same issue when it comes to “ debate” having to argue against your oppressor for the right to live but both opinions are seen to hold equal value.
@@evanwademan5602 cocaine is pretty good though plus you can do as much as you want and still become a pastor, and it's always safer and more Christ-like than weed
@@神の人-f2k refusing to show pro-genocide people a good start lmao. The slippery slope argument is stupid because the line is just “is your ‘marginalized identity’ based on hating a group of people? Yes? Then you’re not going on.” That’s a pretty clear cut line that’s hard to make slippery
@@allyli1718 Who exactly is pro-genocide? I don't know what sort of people you surround yourself with but I've never met, online (apart from places like 4chan and the dark web), or in real life, anyone who would unironically advocate genocide.
The questions are always so... dehumanizing. So much so that sometimes jubilee has to skip the question because both sides indisputably disagree with the question.
Me too. I’ve only ever seen people reacting to the middle ground stuff before this. I never got the appeal and thought it was weird so this video is nice
my mom was on one of their episodes, it was after i told her she had to do it because they were a huge channel and i watched them. she said that it was a horrible experience, putting people who are so obviously delusional about their beliefs in front of the people with opposing views is unproductive and harmful for those being oppressed. i feel like i am partly to blame for her having a traumatic experience on set just cause i helped convince her to do it, but i have since unsubscribed from them :/
I’m glad I’m not the only one who found those videos weird. It just feels so gross and even cruel to take someone from a marginalized community and make them speak to their oppressors who don’t respect them and want to take their rights away. It reminds me of this old talk show where they brought on literal nahtzee white supremacists and wanted some Black men (and I think Jewish men too) to “have a conversation” with them. Like who the hell thinks that’s a good idea? These people will NOT get along and for good reason. They just want a fight to break out between the people or have the awful people be awful and cause distress to others. It’s abhorrent.
I love how Jubilee claims they want freedom of discourse then strike false copyright claims against content creators who express a different opinion in their reactions. I.e. aba and preach
Excellent video. I have a coworker who sometimes subjects himself to the horror of Jubilee videos, and whilst we've had occasional debates, we've found so much more empathy and, well, middle ground by just...talking. He's a cishet "centrist" and I'm nonbinary bisexual with a transmasc partner. But the most understanding and learning he's had about trans issues is just...us talking candidly. Whilst he's still not perfect on things, such as not understanding they/them- you know what was productive? Not spending hours combing through dictionary origins and linguistic history on pronoun semantics, but finding a connection. We're both autistic, and I noticed that whilst for me gender roles make no sense and seem arbitrary and restrictive to my autism brain, his autism and lack of 'getting' social cues caused the opposite conclusion- that gender roles just -are- and theres no reason why you'd want no part of it. When I empathised and said 'man if I was dude (passing) I'd have no idea how to flirt I'd just stand there', it helped validate his insecurities about how its hard there on the dating scene, and when he was talking about the Jordan Peterson stats of 10:1 ratios on dating apps, I explained that women (passing) people kinda have to be choosy because there's a much more common fear of a dude being at worst a murderer or at best mildly shitty and not a good fit. When he was curious if my partner wanted The SurgeryTM, I explained that he didn't know, but if he feel safe wearing dresses he would- and when he was confused at that bc most trans rep on media is very gender-adhering I Brought up that he wore a dress for a Halloween party with friends as Marilyn Monroe as a joke but he was still a dude, and he understood it more. Sure, he's not gonna get everything, and theres times I've 'lost' a debate or won't get him to get that singular they/them exists, but if he met my partner he wouldn't see them as 'that weirdo trans person' but as 'my coworkers partner, who likes supernatural like me and helped my coworker through some rough times and eats hot cheetos and gets the Struggle of Spicy Food Tummy Hurt' and even if he would do a microaggression or two, he would acknowledge him as a person that should be respected, not as a debate point to 'disprove' or a 'cringe comp' to gawk at. Oftentimes a lot of seemingly Conservative talking points can be corrected with a mild nudge. For example, the Avatar 'Sokka's not sexist' was misattributed to 'being woke and not being able to do that anymore' but I chimed in that it prevented his character development and most people across the board agree that it was a bad change, and that its more important to show characters growing from bigotry than not having that bigotry in the first place. 'I'm angry about affirmative action' can usually be reasoned with 'I think it's a poor bandaid solution to a more complex problem and I hate that it's largely an optics move by corporations that don't want to actually help workers'- saying 'okay you're a racist fuckhead' just starts a debate that will get nowhere because you're both defending your points*. However, I should also add that these conversations should only occur as long as people feel safe- if you're someone that's potentially threatened or a black person tired of having to bend over backwards to gently tell someone racism bad to a bad faith actor, you're well within your right to tell them to fuck off. Sometimes when an egregious reactionary short is on that I know will go nowhere I just dip out briefly or avoid conversation, and theres nothing wrong with that. (It's also why allyship is so important, to allow for these conversations to take place- if a white guy is talking about how you should be nice to brown people in a Sundown Town, the reward doesn't outweigh the risk as opposed to a black person talking about it). Really nice video. My only problem is that after saying consumerism bad and you should encourage connection you shill your Patreon, though that's probably tongue in cheek I think adding an extra joke at the end would be a bit clearer. Sorry for the wall of text akdhfjkwmsmg
I feel like you perfectly described a feeling I've had for a while about them but wasn't able to put into words. I actually used to watch their 'Middle Ground' series when I was 13-14 (ish, I could be wrong about the time frame) religiously and with time their content in general started to give me the 'ick' as i matured and learned more about the world around me, but I was never able to verbalise exactly what it was. So, thank you for making this video because you did exactly that and you did it wonderfully!
Im so glad someone finally made a video because you don’t even know how many times I’ve seen jubilees thumbnails and being like “are they serious right now?”
Jubilee is so gross and disgusting. That being said, Saji looks cool as hell. the sheer vibes are so awesome. Also, that book seems really nice! It’s going on my reading list!
These debates piss me off so much, nothing productive is happening at all. Debates arent fun or helpful if its one side trying to convince the other that they should be allowed to exist, that playing field is never even
thank you. haven't finished the video yet but you're so funny and on point with it. i haven't watched jubilee without it being a reacted thing because this shit is wild and stupid and just a public debate-finished and that's exactly it. that's what I've been trying to say
I absolutely think that debates CAN be conversations. My family is really into debating, but not this kind of debating but rather talking about our opinions and explaining why we think this and everyone comes out a little better from them because we can understand the other side a bit better. I think healthy debating is extremely important and needs to be normalised
I’ve tried having conversations with boomers and older gen x and the biggest issue is that they tell me I’m too young to really know anything and then they often start telling me that their life is/was so much harder than mine could ever be. They have literally repeated things I said back to them and acted like it was theirs because they weren’t listening to me. It’s getting harder and harder to connect with people for conversations, especially with demographic differences because they view us as lesser
Getting this recommended after they did fit men vs fat men and had on one of the fit and fresh guys and proceeded to let him insult the other guests, talk about conspiracy theories and be insanely misogynistic when it wasn’t even a topic at hand! Jubilee is terrible with these middle grounds because it’s just platforming people
Glad I'm not the only one who became uncomfortable with Jubilee's content. The mere idea of having people try to find a middle ground with their oppressors is just absurd to me. "Agree to disagree" simply cannot be applied when discussing people's human rights and existence, yet Jubilee continues to present prejudice as if it's an opinion. It also doesn't help that most of the time the oppressing party doesn't even bother to have good points and instead resorts to the same petty insults and stereotypes that have been used for decades.
I love the shoutout to Dylan, I've loved his podcast for years now! He's such a beautiful soul who's just trying to truly have a conversation and understand where everyone's coming from as people ❤
Ive only read the title but i already agree Yeah I think this is spot on. The issue I've always had with Jubilee is just that - they're forcing something for content that can only be productive when it's organic. You really have to be able to trust someone to have difficult conversations and that requires getitng to know them - not just cramming strangers in a room and making them duke it out. And I know this having had quite a few conversations with people who were anti-trans and getting them to shift a bit because they trusted me (trans guy) as a person and were willing to SEE ME AS A PERSON before seeing me as some Enemy Demographic. And yeah, the framing of both sides as having equal merit is despicable. I get really frustrated whenever these videos pop up in my feed.
yes, thank you! they have always felt so weird and wrong. especially because it normalizes this very dangerous both sides-ism. human rights, genuine pain, plain facts vs. "but I don't like it". disgusting
Its not productive or a society to be like Jubilee to act like both sides in a discussion are equally smart or that there are only 2 sides to an issue.
For those who need it 6:03 skip for the cbd add. Sorry I would never do this otherwise but god damn that triggered me as a former addict. Edit: I really liked the video, I’m happy I found your channel
Part of my job for the last 3 years has been facilitating open discussions about difficult topics and training others to do the same. This video exactly pinpoints why they're so hard to have. We all need to agree going in that we aren't debating. We need to agree to respect one another and assume good intention. It's so much more work than "We gathered a bunch of people in a room and asked them questions". Using the aesthetic of dialogue to have a debate on topics that there's no room to debate on harms marginalized people and pushes everyone away from important discussions. It's so frustrating to see.
@@InsertNameHere911discussion and debate are different things. I did debate competitively on a national level and trust me nobody learns anything or finds common ground when debating
I honestly feel like it started out as a genuine way to try and get people to understand each other, seeing conflict in the world and (trying to) give people a space to have a discussion. sometimes it feels like their main focus is geting trying to get clicks and editing so viewers will rage and comment instead of the content of the video.
You are the first person I have seen criticizing jubilee and honestly respect dude all the other people just give a neutral comment about them and move on but I fully agree with you and i think you phrased it really nicely I always felt something very icky about their videos when i was young and now its very obvious the just take advantage of oppression and people's empathy and h4tred it's just another form of discrimination and making oppression into "content" because empathy doesn't exist I guess I feel like they treat minorities like circus animals Also good pun in the add:)
I disagree that debate is inherently unproductive. Sure, it can often devolve into personal attacks and further radicalization of both sides, however that isn't a guarantee.
@@amogusamogos I would still disagree with that. Although he specifically said that debate is inherently unproductive which seems to extend beyond just modern debates to me, however I could be wrong.
They have been doing this for YEARS so much of their company is built on rage bait and cherry-picking people to manufacture representation and I'm glad someone is finally talking about it.
