Here's a story i did about Judas Priest and the time one of America's biggest venues banned the group ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Kr-jOT_0mP8.html
Minor point of criticism, when talking about adaptions of real-life stories of musicians in film you display multiple films that came well before Rock Star. Particularly The Doors, Sid & Nancy, Amadeus, and Backbeat. We also have to consider Great Balls of Fire and The Buddy Holly Story among many others. I know what you’re trying to say though, this came out before these movies were award winners that could generate box office success over $100 Million in box office. Rock Star is by no means a great film, hell it’s probably not even a good film, but it’s a guilty pleasure that I’ll put on if it’s on TV.
I was at that show at MSG in 1984. It really began when it started raining down M-80s, Blockbusters and Pineapples bought from Chinatown for the 4th of July which was a couple of weeks off. Then the seats were getting torched and the cushions tossed down which started piling up particularly towards the stage area. We left our seats after something big blew up in a girls face a row back that led to a devastating and disfiguring facial injury and me and my GF headed towards the mezzanine seats to escape the barrage. All it takes is a handful of AHs to get other idiots to follow them. Look no further than our current situation within the government and their Nazi like fktard follower's for an example.
I remember watching Rock Star with my mom. She was like 70 at the time. While watching she asked me "Is that the guitarist from Ozzy's band?" Talking about Zakk Wylde. My mom was pretty cool.
My favorite biopic was Val Kilmer playing Jim Morrison, The Doors. I saw The Doors a few times looking back in the late 60's & Val did capture the Morrison mystique on stage. Plus the soundtrack was excellent.
The acting was great but it made Jim look like a complete druggie loser to be honest it’s a great film but most people hate it because it’s so inaccurate,
The Doors movie by Oliver Stone is a full on ridiculous caricature. It is completely inaccurate, most of the band interactions were fabricated and everyone in the band The Doors disowned the movie going so far as to telling their fans to never watch it. Jim Morrison was a full on alcoholic drug addict and was sociopathic and erratic but the movie tries to glorify his behavior since he thought himself a poet. Which he truly was not. Not even close. It's a bad movie all around and it got terrible reviews, which were warranted, when it came out.
Kilmer was famous for Top Gun at the time. People didn't think he would pull it off but he is so talented. He nailed it. I heard Oliver Stone originally wanted Ian Asbury from the Cult to play Morrison.
it contained inaccuracies for sure, but is miles above Rockstar as far as being a good movie. Oliver Stone is a great filmmaker who embellishes alot lol
As soon as I saw the context of the movie Rockstar, I immediately knew that it was based on Judas Priest and Tim Owens. Another band that got a new lead singer by a guy singing their songs at karaoke, is the band Journey.
I actually saw Rockstar when it came out. It had been several years since I’d kept up with Judas Priest and had no idea about the connection. I was able to enjoy the movie and even appreciate what a cliche it was, and I think my ignorance of the real story was why.
I knew the context and real life story. It was obvious that "Rockstar" was a fictional take on Judas Priest and Ripper Owens. The video was right that Owens' story is much more interesting than "Rockstar's" flat script. Wahlberg and Aniston aren't bad actors. But they were given nothing to do.
@@edalder2000 It's not so much that they aren't bad actors it's just they're best in comedy and should stick to that. Anytime either of those two get into a drama or anything even remotely resembling a difficult/nuanced part it falls flat. Also it doesn't help when the other people in your movie are far better than you like say the fighter with Christian Bale. Maybe stick to transformers movies.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu I totally disagree - Mark Wahlberg has an innocent charm, enthusiasm and non-pretentiousness realness that makes his characters both likeable and relatable.
I didnt get the connection either when I first watched the film. That " stand up and shout" song by steel dragon does kick ass tho. Weird seing Zakk wylde without that freaking beard too
KK Downing left Judas Priest about 10 years ago. The relationships between Downing and the other band members had broken down. Last week a band led by Downing called KK's Priest released a debut album. Pure old school metal. The lead singer is Tim "Ripper" Owens.
Damn, that's where they both ended up? I've seen their album in my recommended feed, and was wondering if there was any connection to JP! Thanks for the tidbit! \m/
I knew Tim Owens. His Judas Priest tribute band would play at a bar in Erie, Pennsylvania where I lived. My friends band, that I roadied for, would go to Akron, Ohio where Tim's band was from and open up for his band. They were incredible! I always thought he sounded just like Rob. He would sometimes evenride his Harley Davidson into the bar just like Rob would ride one on stage.
@@kimbaldo3292 I also saw that a episode a while back. An update for you, he ended up selling the bar and decided to get back into music. If you look him up on the Metal Archives, it will tell you his current band/project! \m/
I absolutely LOVE that Temptations miniseries. When I had cable and Vh1, I would watch it every single time it came on. It didn't matter if it was 10 minutes in or only had 10 minutes left. It was full of inaccuracies but I didn't care.
i'm from Ohio. Ripper is from 20 minutes from where i live. I seen Judas Priest with him as well as with Rob Halford. Tim did an amazing job when he was the front man of the band. To all the haters that don't like Ripper albums you are just missing out. Tim has a couple of songs that if they would have come out in the 1980's they would have been big hits for sure. I have to say that it is awesome to see someone get to fulfill their dreams like that.
Which song on those two albums do you think would have been a hit? No sarcasm. I think what Owens did was super cool and I give him a mountain of credit for stepping up. i want to like something on those records but they sound like a different band to me. Rob zombie meets Metallica.
I always saw Ripper as Tim Owens. Never ever a comparison to Halford. That comparison would paint Owens in a bad light. He was given a once in a lifetime shot and took it.
The original title was “metal gods “ when priest bailed on the idea it was changed to rockstar. If you watch the end credits and see the the sign thing they click to start filming… and pause it, it says metal gods on it 🎸
I just read Halford's book. He said when he watched Spinal Tap, he wondered if the fact their drinmer kept dying was a shout out to Priest constantly changing drummers.
Funny story. When Ripper was with Iced Earth, I ran into him after the show. I gave him a Rock Star Energy drink. He opened it, took a drink. Looked at the can, looked at me, "Are you Trying to Be funny?"
My band mates and I were at the concert filming- L.A. , Megadeth played also... help the energy 🤘. Rockstar bassist was Jeff Pilson (Dokken)--- great guy ! .... and our producer (Beneductum). Crazy how things work out !!! Movie was alright, memories involved... awesome \m/
@@chrisbenedictum1thank you brother you have a great 1 i cant play shit man my broken hands from fighting makes it hard but i just love music man and the storys that come with it lol would love till play bass i also love writing songs poems just watever comes til mind you keep rockin brother keep er litt
Wait a minute. The grainy videotape wasn't sent to the band by two fans. It was presented to them by Scott Travis, who had sat in with Owen's band. He discussed this in the February issue of Modern Drummer.
Yea ,that's right.the facts are wrong a lot on this channel. it's like the nightly news.they just spew whatever they want on here without doing homework.
Actually my first time seeing Judas Priest in 98 on the jugulator tour. Awesome show. The rockstar movie is a fun movie if not taking seriously. You should do a story on the lords of chaos movie which is about the Norwegian black metal scene in the late 80’s early90’s
i didnt like the movie, but loved hearing the voice of Steelheart sing in it. that guy could sing. they made a great pick when they got that dude for vcoals
I'm having a hard time thinking of a movie with worse casting than Rockstar...or a worse rock movie. Wahlberg as a heavy metal singer and Jennifer Aniston as his girlfriend? Just awful.
@@colz848 colin, yeah man ! The ladies in the 80s ( an still are ladies today) were fuckin 🔥 fire hot.! I nailed as many as I could because excess was the rule of the day. And rock was and still is ruler of all music. They will try to kill it but news flash it will not fuckin work!
@@WormdrivE66 WormdrivE66, so your a comedian? You know how often comedians get laid? About as often as you are funny and by the weakness of that joke I guess you have never been laid. So 2 would be a life time achievement for you, and women like to laugh so I guess you can't get a girl much less a wife. So keep trying to be funny and having sex with yourself maybe someday a woman might feel sorry for you and you the 3 seconds you'll need to finish. Cuz you a real man, behind your keyboard!
There is only one great biopic, This Is Spinal Tap. It’s the only one that’s an accurate depiction. I saw the Rock Star movie and it was probably better because they tried to hide the fact that the movie was inspired by Judas Priest. I actually thought Steel Panther was the band from the movie when they came out.
4:45 Halford might have been out of the closet to JP members but not publicly, Halford came out publicly on MTV in 1998 and he had already been out of the band since 1992.
I was looking for this comment. Halford's great reveal was around when he did the Two album. I remember video of him wearing fur and eye makeup, just driving the point home by going all flamboyantly gay. I believe he said later on that he left the band partly because he knew he was eventually going to come out and didn't want to tarnish the JP reputation by association. In the end he made a couple of albums with Fight before he came out publicly with the Two project
The original title of “Breaking the Law” was “Sucking A Co**”, and the lyrics were a little different; when the rest of the band heard it, they wouldn’t do the song until some changes were made.
@@adama7774 when i was a kid in the eighties i remember metal fans knowing he was gay. looking back i think i might know why it never was a big deal even back then. preist was one of the bands that had the pmrc and other groups on their asses over the whole satanic panic stuff. they even had to go to court over their lyrics. when ever they talked about priest in the main stream it was always about are they destroying our kids with evil music. pretty much overshadowed any thing else
I loved the movie. I don't really care who it's about or how accurate it is or isn't. It's a movie and I loved it. So many so-called "bikers" gave Son's of Anarchy a ton of shit for being so far off from a real MC but they forget one thing.... It's a fucking TV show purely for entertainment. I get it if you are not entertained but there are plenty of viewers that were not expecting anything but entertainment. Rock Star was a good story and it was entertaining.
I dont remember anybody saying that about soa. But the movie rockstar was cringy. The movie hints that the lead singer is a fake rocker coz he is gay and wears a wig. Which is so stupid considering rob halford
@@freebee8221 oh, SOA was absurd if you've ever known bikers. people can say "it's just entertainment " but 4 example, if the actors in Straight Out of Compton talked like "good sir -might I beg a moment of your time? " " oh but of course, dear Heathcliff" that would make it a shitty movie cuz rappers don't talk that way.
Those so called bikers were mostly old men who think they know biker shit but didnt take into consideration that SOA was about californian biker culture, not just unnamed whatever biker culture. Also for nowadays SOA would actually have way too little rap influence, at least in my country lot of new school biker gang members wanna be gangsta instead of a biker really.
What really happened was that during the negotiations with Priest, some accountant came up and told the UPPER management at Warners that they could really use a 30+ million write off at that moment. Perfect, they said, and terminated the negotiations and set out to 'produce' a loser. If that sounds a lot like 'Springtime for Hitler', then yea, that's what happened. Lol! Hollywood screws themselves and other people get hurt anyway. Oh well, you can win for losing.......
A memorable part in the film is when in the recording studio one of the members is wearing the eye of Aton (Illuminati) shirt while telling the singer how things are run and who controls what.
When I was a kid growing up in the 90’s.. I’ve never heard of zakk wylde… after the rockstar movie .. I checked out some black label society and I was hooked
@@kevin2400 Yeah it's good, but if you haven't yet, check out No Rest for the Wicked and No More Tears albums. The first 2 albums he played with Ozzy! Those are great! Oh, and his band Pride and Glory were good as well.
@@ozone00 I saw the same version you did, because I recall one of the reasons Bobby got fired was for missing half the gigs on the last tour. They didn't care "who he wanked"
the movie was making fun of him though, the other guys sat around giggling at him for being gay while he was throwing a tantrum and of course he also had to be wearing a wig so they could laugh about that. they completely clowned his character in that scene.
@@newwavepop Terrible. Definitely homophobia on the part of the screenwriter and director. At any rate, Rob Halford simply left the band in the early-90s because he wanted to pursue a different direction for a while.
How cool would a legit biopick about Priest be though? Nevermind the “Ripper” story, it should focus on Rob’s struggles with coming out and the band’s success and endurance. “Bohemian Rhapsody” was a great Rock biopic! So was "Respect", about Aretha Franklin:The QUEEN of Soul!
I remember thinking Rockstar was okay and that "huh, it's kinda like that time some fan became the Priest singer." Didn't make the immediate connection that one inspired the other.
"Rock Star" was released on September 7, 2001. Everyone knows what happened four days later. With the media and everyone focusing on 9/11, the film (which I thought was okay but not great) was just forgotten.
I miss ripper Owens he is a great frontman and I really like the two albums that he work on with Judas priest burn in hell is my favorite song I like painkiller and metal melt down .... but burn in hell is my favorite ripper Owens work on this track .....
You left out the fact that Myles Kennedy from Alter Bridge, Slash’s Snake Pit and also has solo work, played the singer Mark hands the mic off to, too become the next singer of the band. Myles is a friend and from my city, Spokane, Washington.
Ripper is back with Judas Priest founding member KK Downing in the band KK's Priest and they have just released an album. I think it is awesome and Ripper can still deliver where Rob Halford is starting to show his age.
Winter's Bane first album is still Owen's best album yet and one of the best examples of US power metal. WB guitarist Lou StPaul totally rips. I wish Owens had rejoined, instead of wasting his time, with this and that project.
I didn't see "Rockstar" back when released but saw it on cable and loved it. Frankly, though a Priest fan, that more 70's heyday for me, so i missed the fill in singer era. To me, the movie stood up on its own, Jennifer Aniston is gorgeous and for me, a old bar/party band bass player - it hit a chord - pun intended.
This was the only movie Jennifer Aniston acting was good. I thought it was lame to use Mark Walberg. The movie behind the scenes reel shows Mark proudly denouncing his long hair and making statements like, "I'm glad we're done with the movie so I can get rid of the hair extensions". I lot of the script writing was cheese AF. Zakk Wylde is the guitar player in "Steel Dragon" and wrote some of the soundtracks. ...surprised you didn't mention that.
Ripper's an outstanding frontman and I'm damn glad I got to see Priest while he was in the band. That said, just as Bruce is THE singer for Iron Maiden and Joey is THE singer for Anthrax, Rob is THE singer for Judas Priest. As for Rock Star, meh, it was nothing special.
I love the Ripper and this is not intended disrespectfully - but it always drove me crazy that when people talk about his story, the line "They were blown away but how much he sounded like Rob" comes out in some variation. Fantastic vocalist, but he doesn't sound anything like Rob and I find it hard to believe the people closest to him thought differently.
Man I fucking love that film!!! 😂😂😂😂😂 it came out when I was about 13/14 and it had Zakk Wilde in it!!.. come oooon!!! So epic!! I still to this day love the Steele dragon tunes too
Never been a fan of Judas Pirest but I love Judas Priest and honestly never connected 'Rock Star' to them. I just saw it as depicting the over-the-top lifestyle of 80s hair bands. Mark Wahlberg was a really odd choice as a metal singer. The movie was meh but the soundtrack was outstanding. Personally, I'd take 'Eddie and The Cruisers' (though not a biopic) over 'Rock Star' any day lol.
both films contain tons of anachronisms (a E Street band style band with a Springsteen style guy playing in the early sixties? Huh?), though Eddie and the Cruisers has what Rockstar missed a ton of, FUN. Spoiler Alerts for those who haven't seen this classic cult film: I love the Eddie and the Cruisers films, some of the stuff was absolutely ridiculous but the music was well done and the film stirs the imagination because at the time it came out people genuinely wondered if people like Elvis or Morrison faked their own deaths.
@@themadmattster9647 You're right. 'Eddie and The Cruisers' did give off that E Street vibe...all the way down to the character of Wendell coming off very Clarence Clemons. I absolutely love that movie (pt. 2 not so much), no matter how cheesey some found it, and it also had a great soundtrack. "Season in Hell" should have been released as a single imo because that is a genuinely awesome song. And yes, I think it did re-stir up "conspiracies" in some minds at the time regarding rock stars faking their deaths. Who knows, maybe it could have been a biopic after all? 🤨 Appreciate you pointing some things out.
Rockstar was about being the replacement singer for a rockband,looking for a new singer,that's it,I liked the movie because it revealed how cover bands get so caught up in other bands they idolized so long,that they sacrifice their own self worth in writing their own songs,In plain words,Their afraid of failure,You either got it,or you don't and that's why a lot of bands don't make it,cause their afraid to admit it....They don't have what it takes to be there...
I wasn't even in to Priest at the time, but I knew of the inspiration for the movie going in. There are two positive things I can make note of: It was interesting to see Mark Wahlburg perform well at something he's not known for (or a fan of), and that soundtrack has some great tracks on it!
Thanks so much. Obviously being a fan of Judas Priest I knew this movie was “inspired “ by Owens. But believe it or not when I commented on that on RU-vid, Rock Star soundtrack, I was ripped ( no pun intended) by several people who claimed these events happened to many bands. Others claimed the movie was based on Steel Panther! And others said Steel Heart! That’s probably because Steel Hearts singer did the singing, not Mark Wahlberg. Yet nobody told me another band with these similarities. Although many bands had their singer leave & replaced ( Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Van Halen,etc) in those cases the replacement was already a moderately or even well known singer ( Dio, Bruce Dickinson, Blaze Bailey, Sammy Hagar) & not some fan in a cover band ( although in recent times long after the movie that’s happened in Journey & Boston). Oh well some people don’t care about facts. Thanks for the information.
It was a strange saga indeed and I agree that the true story had details that could have made a far better film. As the writer of The Times story, I had pretty much zero sway in what played out. (The Times negotiated with Warner Brothers.) I was happy to meet Halford in NYC after the film was releaseed and to see and meet Ripper in Poughkeepsie at one point.
Yes, I sa it. It would have been better if it was 100% true, but that's rare. My favorite rock bio is *Jimi Hendrix" (1973), because it has all real people in it, telling their truth, with no drama.
I saw this movie; & I knew full well going into it that it was based on Judas Priest. I didn't bother "picking it apart" for how/where it didn't closely match up with real life events for Priest. In the end, it was okay: Not great, but not insultingly bad either.
