Economically. Fascist economics are based in National Syndicalism ( a form of Corporatism ) and "productivism" ( the idea that increased production , not redistribution , will lead to the greater good ). Fascism was syncretic and claimed to be neither left nor right, but it gravitated towards the right-wing due its philosophy being anti-egalitarian , anti-class struggle , hierarchical and anti-left-wing in general.💯💯💯
In Europe, the dividing line have historically looked like communism vs fascism vs national Socialism. Mostly philosophies on how best to use the state. In America, the political arguments were originally federalist vs anti-federalist. Jeffersonian vs Hamiltonian. My point is that the "right-wing" in America is nothing like the "right-wing" in Europe.
I don`t know if on the privacy of your mind you like or defend fascism; I just think we need more people who wants to expose ideas and talk about them, no matter what they say; I feel irritated when people gets triggered because someone wants to talk about an author, a doctrine, a theory, simply because they don`t like it; you would think in universities people would have more wisdom and perspective than little kid and would understand the nature of knowledge better
I studied in Brasil with a professor that was close to Olavo de Carvalho. So, Evola, Heiddegger, Guenon others were part of menu. After some considerations about contemporary politics in the country he said: they didn't know what Brasil is.
@@TheMiist I understood with these words that philosophical ideas must be dissociated from politics practices. Now we have a president partially guided for Carvalho's ideas and 38 million people are starving.
@Accelerationist you are generalizing. I don't know where are you from but overpopulation is not a problem in Brazil Índia has mich more than population in a country that is 1/10 from brazilian dimension, so rent distribution is the real problem.
Pete Haskell I find he goes deep into many questions and has interesting answers and views of them. I think he is somewhat inspiring to look inward rather than outward. A great thinker in my opinion.
Pete Haskell Yes, I’d say in ride the tiger he transformed me from seeing the world in material terms (raised on this as I’m in my late twenties) and set me on a path of spiritual transcendence. It’s quite hard to explain within a couple of paragraphs but it got me in touch with ‘being’ and took me back to my roots and helped me understand my ancestors better. They were traditionally warrior class aristocracy in the north of Scotland for about 1500 years and stretch further back into Ireland before they set conquest east. I’d recommend reading ride the tiger if you have an interest in ‘being’ and self mastery. I haven’t read fascism viewed from the right but I’m going to get it after seeing this video. I think evola is one of the most underrated thinkers of his era.
Pete Haskell Definitely, I came to these same conclusions about 4 years ago and it was hard to accept for a while due to all the propaganda we’ve been subjected to in the west. I have even come to realise that liberalism is the precursor to terrorism and fanaticism in every way. Nearly all Islamic terrorists are liberal pot smoking degenerates until they reach the nihilism that liberalism facilitates and then they radically switch to a fundamentalist stance. The same can be observed of white nationalist shooters in a way. They all grow up in a hyper atomised liberal world that severs the roots of their existence until the point they snap. Of course only a very minor minority actually snap but I’d say liberalism is the root cause of it. I think more and more men are on a similar journey to us and are being awakened to the truth.
Pete Haskell Definitely, I follow all of those guys already - definitely some of the best on RU-vid and hopefully they gain some more followers in due time, especially Keith woods who I consider one of the brightest young minds I’ve ever come across. His knowledge is incredible for such a young guy. Morgoth is another who is extremely underrated on RU-vid I think. He deserves a much larger audience but at the same time it takes a level of understanding and appreciation for truth to even consider what these guys talk about so I understand why their audiences will probably stay limited for quite some time unlike the Jordan Petersens etc. who really bring nothing new to the conversation but just articulate basic takes that resonate well with the mainstream.
Pete Haskell I haven’t put any plans to work as of yet that relate to my revelations. I actually live in Australia and have a family already - one child and another on the way. I’m in a pretty good spot where I am and have thought extensively of creating a fraternal organisation of likeminded men who could spread the knowledge and have a place to discuss these matters in person. I’m lucky to have a bit of wealth that could help me do something like this. I think I will probably move to a more country/secluded environment in Australia or even southern New Zealand where the cold keeps people away lol. I think Russia, if you have ties to the land would be a great move or definitely the northern states of America where there is homogeneous societies already in place. I don’t see America existing in its current form in the next 15 years which means Australia as a vassal state will also perish in its current form so I’ve definitely got a lot to think about in terms of the future. Are you familiar with any of curt doolittles work? I feel much of his stuff is almost in line with the fourth political theory although there’s a lot of scepticism around him as an individual.
His avoidance of religion is a little problematic, because its what constitutes the main body of such a true state. The reason monarchs were monarchs was because of divine rights, and it is what made them sacred and above, but also what made them strong without needing coercion. Without it, all you will get is a dictator like Mussolini. There is a need at least of a narrative that binds everybody in those virtues and explains them, and give examples, etc. Its not something that can be just made up on the fly. It has to be in people already, so in this way, it is organic and the head is only there to organize. But what binds people together is not the head, its something else. Its not impossible to recreate, but it has to start with body parts, and slowly build up over time, and its how those things usually happened historically. If that body is good enough, in virtue, whether the there is some formal democracy of not would be irrelevant, as people would vote for it anyway, because they are already part of it. It is a little like Asimov's Foundation. It is built over time, in that case in secret, but that was the general idea. Virtue for the Greeks, was not ideals, so I think Evola is wrong on that point. Its practical, which is why wisdom was considered the highest, at least for most thinkers. It has to be real, otherwise it is just buffoon stuff. Hitler did an interesting attempt towards that, but it was probably too top down, again, a problem of idealism, but the idea was right, the implementation was not. It has to be bottom up.
He sometimes called himself both a Pagan Christian and a Catholic Pagan . I can only understand that in regards to the mystery schools concepts of the tripartite Sun.
I like how you mentioned that statehood begins with body parts. It reminds me of the story of the sacrifice of Purusha to create man and woman. A common theme scene in world religions and cosmologies.
In few words Evola likes the state meant as traditional monarchy and criticise liberalism because it puts the concept of all men being equal over the King's rule limitating his power and reducing him to a burocrat. Anarchy is an opposition to the concept of state in general. Don't worry about being low IQ. You can still find your prupose among the low caste
18:32 Yes politics and power are entirely Ahrimanic. Authority is redeemable but it is not understood properly within the political frame, where it invariably is reduced to power and the connection between love and authority is lost.
12:56 That form would be part of the diabolical hierarchies, a god of the nations, principalities and powers, archons, etc, Or as Bulgakov puts it: "The state bears the likeness of the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit, and as such is the enemy of all that is holy." I enjoy your content, and appreciate your perspective even though I am a Christian Anarchist.
Where (what chapter if possible) does Evola say that patriotism based on a symbol and an idea is superior to patriotism on the basis of nationality and fatherhood?
Excellent. I am an amateur reader of Evola, who I find a fascinating and inspiring thinker. I see another commenter has pointed out Evola's lack of religiosity when contrasted with other Traditional thinkers such as Guenon. His transcendent realm if I understand him correctly, was pre-Christian (Pagan?) in nature.
He was a fascist engaged in cultural appropriation of other peoples esotericism. He wasn't religious so much as looking to sex up his naked racism and xenophobia.
@@alonsovalencia3362 He was a fascist, that's why he had to escape out of a window at one point and try to flee town because he was afraid he would be arrested because of his close association and support of fascists in Europe.
He was more like a Hindu and Buddhist though ultimately eclectic in nature, during an existential crisis he found solace in Buddhism, which is reflected in his work the "yoga of power" Both of these religions are syncretic, so the possibility of an eclectic outlook while borrowing elements of both is viable, as for whether or not he is fascist, I recall his defense during his trial in 1951 when being charged with being a fascist was that he was a "super fascist" it's unclear whether this comment was to place himself above or beyond fascism, however, he did criticize the nazi's as being too liberal and the Italian fascist movement for not having spiritual elements, though praised the militarization and ascetic principals, in essence, he view seems to be fascism was a strong government that removed decadence but didn't add soul or life to the people and only concerned itself with materialistic concerns, IE it wasn't going far enough in the direction he wanted.
@@raphaelalexandreyensen6291 Benevolence is fundamental to Buddhism and Hinduism. It's difficult to see how one can reconcile that with supporting Nazism and Fascism.
Please do Evola’s trilogy Revolt Against the Modern World, Ride The Tiger, and Man Among the Ruins. I have them but would like a man’s understanding of them.
Check out Philosophicat video on Revolt Against the Modern World. Excellent series. You won't be disappointed. Her other videos are good. Particular on masculinity and femininity. Those are Traditional Man's path to heroism and Traditional Woman's path to heroism.
@@joecoffee7750 If you are going to do the trilogy start with Revolt Against the Modern world. If you would be willing to do a stand alone. His book "Eros the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex"
Evola is talking about what is refered to as the "Spirit of the law" here in South Texas. Which lets be honest here we basically have to concede as subjects that this spirit is producing what Evola intended which is some kind of transcendence. If you dont live in town where this is practice is common then you dont really understand its exactly the opposite or some might argue a transcendence through what we were taught to be disgusted by and a subversion of virtues of honesty for virtues of ease. Theres no real reason to think a system can just be forced on a pluralistic population without purging anything and everything properly first and even that task becomes just some symbolic act bc it cant continue forever. They are trying really hard to purge culture and bring in a something "transcendental" its really just laughable to think its a worthy task or that its being sold to those finance and let it happen in good faith. Theres a rich culture of facsim in Texas and for the most part its everywhere in some form and it just spreads like a germ and never turns into anything other than a cold you have to constantly try and avoid.
So I’m guessing you consider yourself a Traditionalist and not Fascist? Would you consider Fascism/National Socialism as a modernist perversion of Tradition?
@Paul-talk True. Fascism involved repristination of an imagined past to feed into a narrative of social darwinism. Nazi archeology, for instance, was a complete embarassment for the Nazis. Instead of a glorious civilization, they found mud huts in Germany It really was the socialism for fools.
Fascism was an imperfect ersatz of traditionalism, updated for the modern world, that was supposed to breath a new spirit in the age of solidification and machinery. National-socialism was a perversion of fascism, that eventually managed to outgrow it (because of undeniable superior germanic vitality), missguided it and ultimately lead both to a common downfall.
Can humanity rise above tribalism or is this a hard limit on our ability to process inter-personal relations; a derivation or implication of such things as the Dunbar number? Could Intelligence augmentation attenuate this limit?
Thank you for your comment. One of the reasons for interest in Evola is that there is not much familiarity with right-wing anti-liberalism in American conservative circles, as rule, where "conservatism" or "the right" tends to mean "liberal conservatism" or "right liberalism." Evola represents a different kind of thinker who serves as an introduction into the world of non-leftist anti-liberal thought. Who are the people the right should be studying instead, in your view? -Michael M.
@@millermanmaybe you are right about Evola as an easiest way to comprehend this kind of ideas. He like dr. Peterson from conservative revolution. :-) But in my opinion, Alain de Benoist is more sophisticated and atractive. Have you in your plans a podcast about this figure?
I know evola because my granpa was a blackshirt (!). I think you should also talk about René Guenon, which was the "guru" of Evola. PS: The accent is on the first vowel (èvola), not on the second (evòla). Just like we say ènergy, and not enèrgy.
57:24 regarding Plato as fscst doesn’t seem to be too absurd, in my opinion. Maybe if we would not be afraid of objective re-examination of political philosophy, we would fearlessly admit that every government has to have at least some fsctic aspects and illiberal tendencies. Of course that would lead us to either embrace the new leftist dogmas, or to become more religious - less focused on secular society.
Sounds like Evola from the get go has made an assumption of what the State is and from that defines what the Right is. He invents some idyllic proto-State that fits his view and from that declares that to be the only correct premise for defining the Fascism.
Marxian communism can be debunked easily. Everyone is not equal, not everyone can the same things, however everyone should have the same opportunities. If everyone would be the same, earn the same an untalented cook would be rewarded equal for making an apple pie that is inedible. An untalented cook is capable of deducting value from items that are already valuable, apples in this case. While a talented cook, or a master cook would be able to add value, by making a apple pie that surpasses the value of what a common cook would be producing with the same value. There is no possibility that the outcome of two different people will be the same, there will always be inequality based on the value the individual adds to goods of already existing value. Either the individual will add or subtract value from goods.
Interesting to see a Jew very willing to engage in this conversation. I think that is very intellectually mature of you. Do you consider yourself a fascist?
I'm not a fascist. I consider it important to study right-wing anti-liberalism. I've written about it in my book, in an essay called The Virtues of Right-Wing Anti-Liberalism, and elsewhere. I think even for Jews and supporters of Israel it is a tradition of thought that is necessary to understand. But more broadly, you cannot think about the nature of political life if you limit yourself only to perspectives permitted by zealous liberalism and its critics on the left.
@@millerman I think that alot of Evola's Traditionalist views parallel that of traditional Israelite society. The divine king, the priest caste and even lower a slave caste. All of these archetypes are clearly exhibited in Ancient Israelite society. A social order that he characterizes as typical of Indo-Aryans but clearly ancient Israelite civilization fits this criteria as other Afro-Semitic cultures do such as the Egyptians. This is why, I believe, understanding this through a perennialist perspective is important.
@@kh2375.2 Hello. Evola wrote a book about Buddhism, in which he appearred to criticize the "moralizing" of the Isrealite religion that was exported to the Greek & Egyptian world. My impression of reading Evola here was he believed the Aryan or Supermen, as exemplified by Buddhist monks, should lead the society, together with fit monarch warrior rulers. I found this quite interesting because some historical Asian Buddhist cultures were similar to this, where monks provide a public example of moral virtue yet they did not extensively moralize to the masses. This is also basically the doctrine of the Tao Te Ching.
@@kh2375.2 Why would Jews oppose totalitarianism when it seems to be the nature of their Mosaic & Talmudic Law? Just because most Jews today are secular does not change the historic ideology that is distinctly Jewish. Surely modern Israel is one of the most 'nationalistic' nations at this time. Just because Nazism & Judaism had a conflict does not mean their ideologies distinctly where the opposite of each other.
Presenting fascist apologia uncritically, and without balance, is not responsible. You are de facto producing content for far-right ideologues looking for artful articulations of their dogmas. Do you wonder why people further from the far right take issue with your presentation of this material? Is it so hard to unferstand?
