JUnK - F-4J UK Phantom II 

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LMAO😂

Let's be honest defyn is just a shiter he can barely ace every day

@@1K_No_Content it’s a joke ya doofus

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because that's the only plane japan is going to ever get and use until at least the F-15J or the F-2 Viper Zero.

Because Germany air suffers and Bri*ish just suffer.

Japan really needs to have something for people to grind for , or no one would play Japan

@@slavnyan1152 German top tier aircraft are pretty shit though. The only competitive one was the MiG-23MLA and even now it's starting to show its age.

Didnt have em historically lol, quit whining

to be honest, I think lowering the premium to 11.0 and giving the FGR2 AIM-9L wouldnt be a bad call, would allow for slightly better matchmaking for the premium making it less punishing

yea, but sadly gaijin fckning denied it for the bullshit reasons of "They perform well in their suited br" and "Germany already get's a other rank 8 plane" Absolutely fucking shit excuses by Gaijin yet again.... the fucking F-4F is a pain to play, even with using it as a fucking bombing truck. And who make your life sour in it? Cunts in their F-14's and F-16's with their fucking AIM-7F/M's and 9L's and pretty much inescapable PD radar's.... you notch, and immediately get locked again.. nevermind even trying to notch the 3 F-14's/F-16's that lock you at once. And don't forget that their planes do everything better than you, they turn better, they are way quicker, hold their speed better... You can do nothing against it other than hope you can catch him off guard and kill him The US has been stomping for over a year now since they got the F-14 and imo they should sit the next few updates out and probably also miss out on amraam's for a year so they can feel what they did to everyone with their year long stomping

@@evo3s75 I mean, most of those problems would have easy solutions. F-16, MiG-29 should go to 12.0, and F-14, MiG-23MLD, Mirage 2000, etc to 11.7. Once all those planes start facing each other more, I wouldn't see any problem with an F-4F at 11.3 with 4xAIM-9L, it just makes sense and doesn't turn it into a "tier 8 plane". Irl, the upgrade that gave the F-4F Mavericks and flare dispensers also gave it AIM-9L, it's absolutely historical, such a shame Gaijin denied it...

Give the F-4E it too, at least the British ones have pd

@@thebirbestbirb I think we have a slight problem with that, the F-4E we have in game is representative of the late years of the Vietnam war, a 1971-72 Block 48 model. In USAF service only later Blocks of the E variant remained in service long enough to get AIM-9L and other new weapons. Imo a better option would be the F-4G, which despite being more oriented towards strike missions coud still carry 4xAIM-9L and 4xAIM-7F/M. It still wouldn't have PD radar and an internal gun, but with those missiles it would be much more competitive

yeah sorry to burst your ubble but war thunder radars are made up of shitty "if" statements. this isnt modelled

@@yolly1988 If you lock on a target that flies low to the ground, your radar lock will go under the said plane. ofc it's simulated and it's just a dumb algorithm faking it, but if it works idc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipath_propagation#/media/File:Multipath_propagation_diagram_en.svg

@@adams5351 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipath_propagation#/media/File:Multipath_propagation_diagram_en.svg pretty good visualization of what's possibly happening

@@yolly1988 When the if statements are so shitty they wind up circling back and being semi-realistic

This has been my tactic of dodging sparrows head on ever since the kai got added and I started playing it. Quite hilarious that there are still people who played at least a few hours in top tier who don't know.

wait it gets radar slaving to the HMS ???? i thought only for the 9Gs holy fuck thats huge

American bias back at it

@@kingghidorah8106 Lol it ain't even bias. The plane itself is still worse than F-14 in most ways

@@Registered_Simp "It's not bias that the american phantom is better than all british toptier, because the USA has an even better plane" what

@@richou5721 yes, HMS for american F-4J slaves radar the same way it does with MiG-29

I never get downtiers in the F4E

Yup, I skipped the phantom to rush up to the tomcat and now that I'm coming back to it I'm finding it remarkably pleasant to fly. Going 1.5:1 in the J without much effort. The C now, I had a good start with but now it's trending towards 1:2. I should give up trying to hit people with the AIM-7Ds and that craptacular radar.

Ju 288

Su 11

Naval

@wagner nicacio Boring, if you aren't having fun during your grind, the part in which you're having fun has to be much more rewarding than if the grind itself is fun as well.

@@martijn9568 i never grinded for sl, and i don't have the ju 288

The F4C is still my most played plane by far. Su25, a10 and a6 shouldn’t have been added anywhere near the same br let alone lower

Either one of two things happened. The Mig's missile swapped target to the Skyflash because it was hotter or, due to Defyn's movement, the missile tried to follow the Phantom and both missiles got close enough for their fuses to go off

Yes, new stuff gets priority Will continue with props soon

@@DEFYN Ah ok, good to know

Honestly if you just need a top tier grinder: get the Sea Harrier and talisman it. It's like 30€ cheaper and the thing is INSANE. 4 AIM-9Ls+ enough bombs to take out a base and you get to Sealclub a lot of 9.7s almost every match.

@@dervpool I's still researching the Lightning F.6 and Harrier Gr.3 XD

Which is a damn shame because the aircraft models themselves are not horrible in terms of realism. It's the large amount of players per team combined with the small maps that make it feel like ace combat.

As an Ace Combat fan, I'm A-OK with that. But as an Ace Combat fan I can also say with confidence that you are wrong. Y'all act like large jet battles never happened in history or something.

*laughs in F-4F and F-4F Early*

EJ be like

The F4E has better flight performance on the US tree with its agile eagle kit. But it uses an ancient MTI radar. It's definitely the worst at 11.0 for that reason. Not to mention the ancient F4C lol.

@@PyroBlonde7777 the E does not get mti. It's just a stabdard pulse radar.

@@theneef174 regardless, it's ass lol

Yep they don't even distinguish between an inverse mono pulse seeker and a mono pulse seeker. Its exactly the same with the RWR too detailed for Gaijin they have no interest in how bad Russian RWR systems are.

Huh; I’ve been using the 7F on my F-4J and having good success with it. Will say, haven’t had any success with the ACM HMD on it tho, in terms of locking people up

For me I had fun with the F4E . Switch radar to ACM when targets at 7km and fire a E2 . Most of them get splashed in the face

@@sherlocksinha2435 Surprised no one chaff’d your missile

Don't really get R-60's much in that thing cause most of the aircraft that carry them are much slower than me. If it's a Mig-21 climbing to altitude with me, I throw an Aim-7 at him to either kill him, or force him to defend it. If it's an Su-25, I'll just stay away from him until I have a chance to kill him, or I'll just throw an Aim-7 at him to kill him before he even gets in range (they are surprisingly good at it since Su-25 turns like shit at altitude, especially when they're still climbing). I admit the plane has its faults, but I still enjoy it because I know how to employ its weapons properly and where to use its performance. It's not for everybody, and I admit that as well. But it's not shit.

My best guess is that you can bomb bases with a lot of these new premiums which is quite profitable and most importantly consistent While plenty of lower tier premiums especially props have no way of consitent and easy sl gain like that which means lower avarage income across the player base so higher sl multiplier to even it out Gajin just wants to squeeze you but not too much

Maybe even ASRAAMs

"ADV with amraams" That would also mean the Eagles/Vipers with Amraams also come. And at that point, why bother with the Tornado at all, just wait for the Eurofighter which will actually be a competitive jet?

@153masterchief gold medal for that leap to conclusions. It doesn't mean that all the f16s and others would get it. Like how Italy ground had the highest pen round for a long time cus they were pretty useless otherwise. I'm NOT asking for aim120 Cs. Idk what 120 the adv got

@@jasoncrawford4929 "Ministry of Defence initiated the Capability Sustainment Programme (CSP). This £125 million project, announced on 5 March 1996, involved many elements, including the integration of ASRAAM and AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, and radar upgrades to improve multi-target engagement." its an upgrade when Eagle C, Block 50+ Vipers, F-2 Viper Zero were already in service. I doubt Gaijin will put in the 120A without putting for the Americans+Swedes+Israel+Germany or the Russians with their R77s. The UK is not their cash cow. I doubt the UK is more deserving for the 120s compared to the Swedes with their latest Viggen in game which was purposefully upgraded to carry the 120s. Or the Germans with the F-4F ICE for that matter.

@@IowanLawman most likely correct

exactly i wished to grind UK tech tree but i just throwed my money

Yes

This one every single time. At least it got somewhat working missiles and radar. And it doesn't shits all it's speed in no time for no reason.

@@vavord5181, You think Gaijin will ever buff Matra F missiles?. because I can't belive they were this shit IRL, the Iraqi's were shooting F 14's down with them in Iran Iraq war.

@@brafianblackfyre9220 probably just Iranians not understanding how to use their aircraft

@@rexxmen Tbf Iran shot down 160 other aircraft with F 14 alone, including 8 mirages, they only lost 4 in return to Mirage. So maybe the Mirage was just shit

ML is the TURMS of planes

CAM ON FANTUM SCOR SOM FACKIN KILLS.

You miss being cucked by other nations? A bit odd...

Its not ground clutter. The "clutter" stands for the speed that the radar can't see. It's around 340m/s if you're at mach 1.

@@andreikivorsky1726 thanks, I’m new to top tier and radar so this helps

The premium japan phantom has aim9l....

No it doesn't

@@NineSeptims Ha? It has Aim-9p. The F-4EJ Kai has aim-9L and F-16 radar

They are made so you can buy them to get into new generation of jets And F-14 is better then F-16... F-16 is way more balanced and should have been first gen 4 to be in the game

@@kajmak64bit76 but then Gaijin would miss the Top Gun timing...

Not to mention that DEFYN was flying at the Breda 50 calibre rounds with more than 300 m/s. Largely compensation for the lack of kinetic performance those rounds normally have.

@@martijn9568 this Is reasonable, but i don't think that they are bad rounds, i used the same biplane with the same rounds and i didn't have any problems with It, idk maybe it's Just me

@Fabio Arpino You aren't the only one that doesn't think they're bad. I used to have tremendous fun flying the C. 205 serie 1 Veltro, the C.205 with only 7.7s and .50s, before they buffed the HEF rounds of these and similar 50.calibre gums. The plane has slightly better performance than the, back then 4.3 one, but in this case it was placed at Br 3.3. You'd just drain people of their energy, and once they were slow you carefully aimed rounds into the cockpit, fuel tank and engine. The guns weren't great, but atleast they reliably worked when I wanted them to, compared to some other canons. Japanese 12,7 mm and British Hispanos, I'm looking at you.

The fg.1 is SO much better

There are no top tier dogfighters to be had in the UK tree until the typhoon comes (which will be years down the line). The Tornado and Harrier have air to air variants, but those are just missile trucks with poor flight performance.

@@stoyantodorov2133 The harrier didn't do too badly in the Falklands?

@@Spartan-jg4bf Yeah, against 50s era jets. Will be a whole other story vs 4th gen fighters.

@@stoyantodorov2133 Tornado is a missile buss and will likely play like an F-14, if Gaijin model the Radar it will be the best Radar in game for some time...but they wont and its going to suck when they release it

I have it, and is a struggle to get kills in. Less that the phantom is bad, but more that you're gonna be fighting F-14, F-16, and MiG-29 all at once every game.

I've got an ace in the S199...

me on J5N1 be like

I've managed to get a 7-man back when I was grinding F-14 in my stock A-7E against 4xF-14A's, 2xF-5E's and 1xMig-21bis and survive. I started defensive from 5 of those encounters and won because my opponents couldn't shoot for shit. I should have been dead in all 5 of those scenarios. Would you not then consider the A-7E Corsair 2 a top grade fighter?

o7

F-4J is fine lol

@@kajmak64bit76 F-4J is, but not the UK cause suboptimal weapons and no performance advantage 💀💀💀💀

@@Registered_Simp i meant the british one... it's literally fine af It got pulse doppler and skyflash... Meanwhile japanese premium is essentially an F-4E but worse... with no pulse doppler too ( i think? )

@@kajmak64bit76 Did you watch this video?

I don't think the UK ever adopted it into service

It was only on US J's as more of a concept

@@jaek__ UK used a joystick for the same effect and I believe the navigator did that, Gaijin have said it will not get the functionality added.

@@lukewhitehouse4103 It won't be useful unless it gets AIM-9L's either way.

@@jaek__ Which for some crazy reason Gaijin didn't think maybe a jet that's going to be in top tier matches all the time needs a missile to compete....yeah gg Gaijin