In the Snyder Cut, just before Barry says “stop right there, I’m in!”, you can hear the static effect they use whenever he runs. He used the Speed Force to pause and think it over
You're telling me that both scenes are equal in length, but in one I got to see more badass flash speed and in the other we got a very long joke about brunch.
Zack likes to drag out scenes of super powers being shown off, but atleast he dosen't try to hard to throw in "funny lines" like brunch that just fall flat
@@gilbertgotfried hmm....but i still think there wasn't need of THAT many slow mo. i like them, but using it at every other opportunity makes their impact low.
The slomos are not actually bad since its cool and its a showcase of superpowers, but i agree that this could be editted to 3.5 hours, too many staring, walking and pan out shots. Dragged out cool scenes are still cool but dragged out scenes are just scenes.
I like how in Snyder’s cut, the lightning doesn’t start until Barry moves. It’s a small touch, but it helps differentiate that he doesn’t only *move* fast, he *is* fast, thinks fast, sees fast.
its actually mathematical since nobody moves while slowing time nothing happens but if barry moves while slowing time = so fast that lightnings come out awesome little touch
Another interesting aspect is that it seems, in Snyder's cut, that Barry is debating whether he should show his speed or not as seen by him staring at the Batarang and back at Bruce. Overall, seems like a more natural interaction.
I love this scene, I like how Barry's face changes from a goofy dork to a serious one when Bruce launches the batarang at him. He contemplates the batarang and then he realizes it that is The Batman in his man-cave. Awesome scene.
@Dopee 13 Not allowed? Dorohedoro has a skull mask & One Piece straight up uses Skull imagery to portray pirate flags and its popularity in Japan knows no bounds.
I also like how zack doesn’t make Barry look like a loser, the only reason he doesn’t have friends is because he’s kinda busy being a super hero not because he doesn’t understand brunch
there were so many removed scenes which cemented Barry having a noble heart like his dialogue with him and his dad where he's motivated to prove his dad's innocence by studying criminal justice, or when he saves Iris from the car accident, or him "breaking his rule" of bending time to save the world in the end, etc. the same can also be said for Victor, he was as Zack mentioned the heart of the movie and the Whedon Cut simply nerfed his role
Yeah I'm not trying to be offensive but it seemed like Whedon was trying to make Barry look like he was on the spectrum? Whereas in the Snyder cut he's just awkward
I actually kinda liked that this Barry was a bit awkward and didn't understand people and found them difficult, but the whole brunch thing was stupid. Edit: Seeing replies to the original comment about the spectrum, I'm on it and yeah, again, the brunch thing was just stupid and unnecessary. I mean I think brunch is dumb as hell but I understand what it is and I wouldn't go on a tangent about it even if I didn't.
@@TheDaxter11 Yeah, i don't mind an awkward Flash. Zack already showed it well enough with his stutter and the "I need.... Friends." Line to show that he's not as "fast" in ordinary life.
For me he is just following his dad advice to try to have a normal life. Barry dont have friends cause he is busy trying to study and work and prove his father innocence and he just meet someone like him and saw the oportunity to start making some friends.
Yeaaa a sharp batarang straight to the head isn't a batman thing to do tho, even tho he knew barry was fast, he didn't know if theres certain condition for him to use his speed, meh im just nitpicking,but i think the shoulder or anywhere else shouldve been a better target from a man that always have a back up plans for his back up plans.
@@romusa10 you see that's batman we are talking about... He has done his homework... He saw the cctv footage already... He won't do such thing without being sure....
This just my opinion but I never really liked how Bruce is like yeah im batman to like complete strangers. From the flash, to aquaman. He just shows up as bruce wayne and reveals hes batman
He already pretty much figured out what powers Barry had, people who aren't comic fans probably ignorant to the fact he is the world's greatest detective. If being intellectually superior is a superpower, he would be the best in the universe.
@@tyjuann3626 since it has been established in Crisis that Ezra's Flash and Grant's Flash both exist in the same timeline.... And Multiverse doesn't exist anymore....So they belong to the same universe now... So now there are 2 Flashes , 2 Superman, 2 Martian Manhunters....
I love the Zach had Barry stay in flash time longer. You can actually see Barry processing the information he is seeing and coming to a conclusion before he goes back to normal speed.
The man had short time to make a movie from a bunch of footage what do you expect. Anyway he smashed the Avengers movie and i think that's a bigger W than the L he took with Justice League
@@overheatedeskim054 What did we expect? How about not adding shitty jokes into the movie? How about not making the Flash utterly useless, when he saves the day in the Snyder Cut? Also, the dialogue in Avengers was trash and was only saved by the fact that it the first movie of its kind.
Except Barry was featured in BvS and Bruce being the world's greatest detective, have already figured out his identity and his superpowers. He just wants to see it with his own eyes.
That extra time he takes to analyze the batarang just gives you the feeling that people in that universe find batman truly mystifying & legitimately terrifying in this version. Like all the scary stories Barry had heard about him as a kid all turned out to be true in that very moment.
The Synder cut really makes the effort of Flash taking the time to think about what happened and why it happened as it happened to show off his most important power of being able to think things through while he is acting.
@@Leo_F_Paiva they usually record in something like 16:9, but imax is a proprietary aspect ratio that looks like 4:3 so he cropped the whole thing so that he could show the full imax frame without the aspect ratio changing
@@SpazzValid this is what you need to know, 2017 ver. was going to be a snyder movie, but due a personal problem, he quit and josh whedon took the place, resulting to be a different vision of the actual creator and having a different tone. Now the 2021 ver. is the snyder version of the movie, with new escene, some re-recorded and grand changes to the original. So, is the same sotry? Yes but no. Yes cause in fact is the same movie, but no cause the new changes actually changes the grand part of the story. So yeah, i recommend to you the snyder cut over 2017 JL
@@SpazzValid yeah its essentially the same story but the 2017 version is straight up a bad movie no matter how you look at it. Entire storylines were cut out for filler and there were alot of unnecessary jokes that aren't funny whatsoever. The 2021 version is the far superior version but whether its good is really up to you.
Technically they have the same story, slightly different villains, but one is 2 hours and the other is 4 hours long so there OUGHT to be some differences. I personally say you should watch both for comparision. No word can describe it better than experiencing it yourself.
@@stealthmaster96 basically, this is what happen when you put the first Avengers movie director, to film another first group live action movie but that have a totally different tone. Like bruh how the hell you justify the brunch, the wonder woman and batman ridiculization and everything else 💀💀💀
The Whedon footage cuts down several of the shots to make room for the stupid brunch joke, so it makes sense they're come together to be a similar length by the end.
And still failed. Its the same core, nothing changed, just some cuts and lines and this core is rotten. These "superhero" has nothing to do with the source material at all. They're FAR from a good superhero story.
Wheadon: Let's have Barry say that everything is extremely slow for him. Zack Snyder: Let's SHOW that in Barry's point of view time is slowed down and he experiences seconds in hours, let's expand the character by letting the audience experience his world instead of simply describing it, let's show not tell
In the first 6 minutes of the Snyder cut not a single word was spoken. Yet the story was still conveyed about the impacts from where Batman v Superman left off. Snyder definitely did not make the audience feel stupid. We get it. We want to learn. Not simply be told.
@@TotallySearch batman: i can give you money fisherman: you think u can talk to us like children? *aquaman grabs him aggresively, batman pulls out money* fisherman: i guess you can 🤷♂️
The camera angle changes too. It completely dragged me out of the movie the first time I saw it because it was so obvious it was a reshoot added in way later
I really think “I need friends” was all we needed the way the line was delivered and the way his home base is set up explains he is a loner already. I just hate the brunch line so much
In Zack’s version, Bruce’s hair is being blown by the wind after Barry comes out of the speed force. That shows how fast and how powerful Barry is from just a tiny movement. A small inclusion that changed the atmosphere of this scene for the better to me.
I fell in love with Zack's treatment of superpowers since I first saw Superman create a sonic boom in Man of Steel. It looks like a tiny detail few people will notice, but adds so much to the scene. Also loved the shockwaves in this movie when superheroes hit full-force. He also knows when not to do it.
I think a lot of you guys don't understand that while Joss was yes indeed given the opportunity to rewrite some scenes, add scenes, and seemingly to have a say, when more than likely it's the studio and the distribution who had full control of which direction THEY wanted to take the film. Joss took on the project for obligation (he signed the contract and he had to hold up to it) to somehow turn it around and finish the film in 3 months. That is nearly impossible to pull off and for sure ready for disaster. More than likely, he too wasn't given the full control that so many of you guys think he had even with the opportunities within a short time. Because he was given a deadline and studios, distribution, and especially the investors, all can't afford to push back a highly budgeted film in order to get their money back. I'm just saying this is the harsh and realistic side within the film business. Even with Zack's cut, I don't know how much control or much say he had with that one either, cause he too was given a budget and a deadline to finish his work.
@@marleymarss well actually, joss Whedon didn't have to go and reshoot half the film. He could have added a few and fixed the rest in editing. But he went and did a reshoot and tried to make the film his. Especially considering the deadline, shooting a few scenes after a rough cut to fill any voids while keeping the core the same is more effective and efficient. Instead he tried to redo the film. Even the scenes he used, he changed the color palette, the design of the main villain Steppenwolf and much more.
Flash felt like a wimpy kid that was always complaining about his blood sugar levels in the Whedon cut but now he acts like the Flash we all grown up to love, lovable, funny and brave.
No he does not he still act dam goofy tripping and shit like a dam fool run like a dam idiot and crash every time to stop that what i saw when i was fast forward this trash if the cgi was better i watch it but till them i fast forward to the action witch suck to,like superman beating every super but when it gets to the batman same shit from dawn save by a woman
Snyder also didnt TELL us barry has never saved anyone or know how to "be a hero." He instead SHOWED that Barry is still new to being a hero but we see he has hero instincts and wants to help. Hes funny and brave and doesnt just complain like he needs his hand held the whole time
I think it was there because Ezra Miller loves Blackpink, and that song came out in 2017 so it showed that Barry Allen was interested in popular culture (but the Snyder Cut was filmed before the song came out, so that's why the screen had the skull instead). Either way, I think it was a pretty fun easter egg in the original! :)
It's not mystical, the air around flash would have definitely moved because of his own fast movement. It can be attributed as an attempt to incorporate physics.
@@ndkshr We said it FEELS mystical... it feels godlike, or magical.. obviously it's physics, and his speed moving the air... it just gives flash this mystical aspect....
Well he kinda knows because he did see him appear and disappear in that shop footage. So he's confused between Teleportation (Bar would be on th side or somewhere else) or speed ( bar caught the batarang)
Exactly. Like wtf does brunch have to do with anything. It’s literally just Batman recruiting Barry and he just starts ranting on about brunch for no reason
@@boejiden6938 I believe Joss was trying have the audience connect flash. Since he is fast, his mind must also be fast. And would mean it's easy for him to lose focus on what's important in the situation. ADHD is probably what Joss' flash had. Since he easily loses focus and trips on his own feet while being too deep in thought. Joss probably thought that if flash is a kid maybe he should act like one. But flash is a young adult so, idk.
If you're wondering why blackpink isnt in barry's computers, its because most of the snyder cut was shot around early 2016 and "as if your last" was released around late 2017 and joss wedon just added it in the reshoots. Ezra is blink btw
idk dude i hate it. if they're gonna do that they should make the costumes, props, and everything brighter. Snyder's Cut it looks so bleak and stripped of life, it's like watching 2014 Godzilla :(
To be honest, I like the fact that Barry tells Batman what's his problem with people. It humanizes him a lot more. It's the brunch line that throws Whedon's take to the toilet.
I'm pretty sure they didn't have that in snyders cut because it would just be repeating the information we already had gotten in the scene flash was introduced
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 Wdym he just needed to tell them that this is two movies and added an exchange between Batman and Cyborg at around the 2 hour mark. Joss is sexist hack.
@@KRYMauL joss is a sexist despot douchebag no doubt, but not a hack His handling of cyborg appears hacky from film making standpoint but they had personal issues and took cut him from spite, so shouldn't count against him as film maker
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 I get your point but arguably it is very unprofessional and therefore makes him not a very good filmmaker. When you are at work you leave your personal business at the door. Imagine you were the studio and you were told your movie bombed and nobody likes it because the guy you hired couldn't get along with somebody? That's embarrassing
@@NDCSD yes, it's not a good look for him professionally. I mean, he literally did like 2 minutes of backstory and never explained his powers and had him just standing in back like we wouldn't notice the new guy, for a major character in justice league in the justice league movie. He must know that's bad filmmaking
Me: oh Joss only trimmed the ‘Flash seeing the Batarang’ scene because the Studio wanted the movie to be shorter, So he just lessened the time of the scene and the scene still feels great. Makes sense on Joss’ part. Flash for literally the rest of the remaining time: “bRuNCh” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The editing in the ZS version is much better. The comedy lands better, the dialogue flows more naturally. There's more tension, too. You can feel the Flash's anxiety that there's someone in his house better, and you can better see him make the decision to show off his power Somehow the theatrical cut seems like it doesn't let the scene breathe enough, even though the two scenes are almost exactly the same length It's so fascinating to see these two side by side
One more reason to love the Snydercut. The time it takes speaks volumes. Now I see Ezra's take on Barry for what it is. He's only takes his time when using the speedforce and that contrasts really well with how fast speaking his is in normal time.
Without a definitive way to determine who shot what, other than KNOWING the Whedon parts were cut - I wonder how many of the 'original' Snyder scenes were also re-shot?
@@terrylandess6072 hey so i did some small research. Apparently you CAN tell who shot what! Yes i know. Shocking, right? The nightmare sequences in the epiloge is the only one that they add in. So the original cut(~3hours) plus the epiloge plus the cgi that they spent the whole 2020 to complete = 4 hours We can assume that joss cut about 1-2 hours of the original and add in his 1 hour jokes. Also cgi mustache, it's pretty clear who shot that
I’m gonna be honest here. I think Joss Wheadon is getting a little too much hate for the theatrical version of Justice League. I mean, he is definitely 100% guilty for how it came out. But i think Warner Bros was far more to blame than Wheadon himself. I mean the fact that the studio even hired Joss Wheadon, a man with the exact opposite directing style as Snyder, to take over reshoots was a giant red-flag
@@superjackster0165 It's true, if he made this movie from the ground it probably wouldn't be as terrible. Here it was two different visions of one movie, smashed together. Snyder almost finished his version, so all budget was already spent on his one, and reshoots got probably nothing.
@@andrew720 Not to mention that he was on a timer when he wrote new scenes for the reshoots. Remember that Warner Bros refused to delay the film. They wanted the film to keep its November 2017 release date in order to get their Christmas bonuses from, I believe it was, AT&T. If Wheadon had been given more time, maybe he could’ve made something decent. Although, they should’ve never made changes to Zack’s movie
Snyder shows the powers and the facial expressions, the non vocal realisations and visuals, while Whedon has a speech about the faults of Brunch. And that pretty much sums up how the two are different. Just multiply that by the entire film and you get the four hour masterpiece.
this shows the importance of pacing like we get that’s he’s the flash but you don’t have to literally speed through the dialogue and sequence to try and show that , Snyder’s scene contrasts that by showing more time in the speed force with Barry emphasizing how different he experiences time compared to others so we can gauge how fast he actually is
The ZSJL version really gets across how fast Barry is, like hes sitting there figuring everything out and thinking all within those few seconds but for him he processed a lot. The JW version, it's so jump cutty and quick that it's disorienting.
In Snyder’s version, Barry is still a dork at heart, but he can be serious when he needs to be and is really important to the league in certain parts, especially towards the end.
@@rishabiyer958 Nailed it. I think he is supposed to be the 'Spiderman' personality of the DCU. The younger, starstruck type who is way over is head but growing into his role. The character arc does support this notion - he didn't have a mature, stable father figure, yet found the missing parts in the JL and integrated that into himself. He accepted the positive parts of his father (during the light speed breaking scene) too.
I believe I spotted 4 changes 1. You can see the ceiling and more of the floor which will make people appreciate the 4:3 instead of the 16:9 2. The monitor on the right of Batfleck has a skull instead of a random ass k pop video, another sign that WB was trying to make DC look like marvel 3. Barry stops the batarang instead of just letting it hit the wall, showing that in this version he is going to be more of a hero instead of being the comic relief that just follows the team 4. Barry immediately accepts to be in the team because he needs friends instead of talking about brunch out of nowhere
Editors: So you want us to cut out some of the Flash using his power because it’s too long? Joss Whedon: Yes. Editors: But you want us to put this brunch joke in? Joss Whedon: Yes.
Pause at 1:50, and look at the difference in lighting. The one on the left is how I always imagined Bruce Wayne. Even when he is not wearing the suit, he is still one with the dark, whereas the one on the right makes Bruce look all puffy and Disney-ish.
Ye I hated how DCEU batman was making jokes and smiling a lot. That's not who batman is. I know he smirks in a everything else but he doesn't crack jokes.
@@forgottenalex most of the demographic in America that likes K-Pop are teenage girls, and even back then they were popular, hell Gangnam Style brought the kpop wave and that was in 2013, so it’s an odd move nonetheless
You can tell when the original scenes were shot vs when the re-shoots were shot. Looking at the 2017 frame, you can see Barry's haircut is inconsistent between the scenes at 1:45.
joss: ok Ezra just say something funny Ezra: um...ok? like what? Joss: idk anything that comes to your mind just roll with it Ezra:...BrUnCh??? Joss: cut! ok that was good! ok guys thats a wrap
It bugs me when character tells then shows. Which is why I like when Zack took out Batman’s line, “I know you have abilities, I just don’t know what they are.” Bruce didn’t need to say that, the audience figures out what he’s thinking when he throws the knife at Flash.
One thing I wish was still there is the “save one” line from Bruce. Don’t keep the full peptalk, it was too long to halt the momentum, but just Bruce encouraging Barry to simply save one person and Barry immediately realizing that he can save ton more is heartwarming.
