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K-5 Explosive Armor Effectiveness | Armor Penetration Simulation 

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Simulation showing the effectiveness of Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive Armor on the example of M1128 Stryker projectile hitting weakened area of the hull frontal armor of T-80U
105mm M900 APFSDS (~3.5 kg DU penetrator) at 1290 m/s
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T-80U hull front armor (driver position):
50mm (68 degrees) / 60mm / 60mm / 50mm RHA*
105mm M68A1E8 gun muzzle velocity (M900) - 1505m/s. 1290 m/s refers to a distance of approximately 4 km.
RHA* - Semi Hardened Armor (+400 BHN)

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@zata4ul
@zata4ul Год назад
it's very interesting to see how big of a difference ERA can make, glad I was one of those who survived after choosing 0.4 km in your poll. thank you for the work and video as always!
@xxfalconarasxx5659
@xxfalconarasxx5659 Год назад
Luckily, I did the math before voting. A lot of people underestimate how effective APFSDS is at range. The penetration fall off isn't actually that high. From my calculations, a shot from 4 km range is only about 10% less penetrative than a shot from 0.4 km range. The reactive armour makes a HUGE difference.
@user-jc2in3cp3g
@user-jc2in3cp3g Год назад
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 my same thoughts
@matejsvrcek273
@matejsvrcek273 11 месяцев назад
@@xxfalconarasxx5659 a bit too late to the party I guess but u also might want to account for a slight drop those 4kms create, in case of firing at the T-80 the projectile will have better angle from 4kms than if it was fired from 400m, so in the end the penetration capability might be about the same
@kiroma0
@kiroma0 Год назад
Holy crap that's actually amazing, I often forget how much penetrative capability APFSDS has against just RHA
@universate5332
@universate5332 Год назад
Its not just rha though, its a bunch of materials in layers
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
​@@universate5332 Just stacking material doesn't do a whole lot they need to be stack together correctly. In this case, it is pretty much just pure steel and their thickness.
@sting2death2
@sting2death2 Год назад
@@universate5332 Not much stacked materials on the spot shot, it's practically all just RHA on the driver's position.
@freedomofspeech2867
@freedomofspeech2867 Год назад
Do any letter combination mean a high tech military weapons system nowadays? I'd like to GEPCN a MOS with a LPPAE. Does that ring any bells?
@gerfand
@gerfand Год назад
well they say RHA equivalency for a reason...
@ukaszkarpik3476
@ukaszkarpik3476 Год назад
I was wrong, but try to hit the weak spot from 4 km distance...
@TADAMAT-CZ
@TADAMAT-CZ Год назад
Doubt you would use APFSDS on 4km range anyway, as HEAT would be more effective (doesn't loose penetration with range, same with regular HE)
@llthk138
@llthk138 Год назад
@@TADAMAT-CZ although i dont know how effective apfsds is at 4 km distance, heat can barley pen any modern mbt’s composite armour or era so you would need to be incredibly accurate, tanks like the T-series, leopard’s and m1’s can only be penetrated frontally with heat by shooting at extremely small places and since heat is slower than apfsds hitting will be even harder.
@MarcinP2
@MarcinP2 Год назад
@@TADAMAT-CZ HEAT will struggle to hit the target at all at the distance IMO.
@Deathbykittens11
@Deathbykittens11 Год назад
​@@llthk138 at that distance, you're dealing with very high angle of incidence on a HEAT shell, so more likely to hit the armor flat or the turret roof / hull top. Still unlikely to hit/kill at that range, but the apfsds would have a flatter trajectory and less energy than HEAT. Granted the AP would probably have less dispersion, but shooting at that range is already very inconsistent w/o specialized artillery.
@Sunshrine2
@Sunshrine2 Год назад
Try to hit a weakspot at any range bar point blank… real life is no War Thunder.
@ComissarYarrick
@ComissarYarrick Год назад
APSFDS ability to just don't care about all but most out of the ass angles of hit is just amazing.
@ace74909
@ace74909 Год назад
Is7 deflects yamato round. Gets destroyed by tiny dart. Gaijn logic
@off6848
@off6848 Год назад
@@ace74909 Its like popping a balloon with a bat compared to a needle
@WasyaSsss
@WasyaSsss Год назад
It would be interesting to see what damage WW2 projectiles like PzGr 39 would do to a modern armor
@WasyaSsss
@WasyaSsss Год назад
@@user-pw1oh2mw6q yeah I forgot that videos exists, thank you
@rkadi6540
@rkadi6540 Год назад
Modern mbt frontal armor would be just fine, but something like bradley + ERA would be interesting to see
@burningsinner1132
@burningsinner1132 Год назад
@@rkadi6540 Nothing interesting, really. Either projectile not made up to specs and shatter on ERA pop or it's made up to specs and it tears IFV a new arsehole. If the driver catches the shell, it's all over for everyone. If engine block eats it, crew gets a chance to only lose a vehicle.
@PAUL-ESNEED
@PAUL-ESNEED Год назад
​@@rkadi6540The Bradley is designed to take autocannon fire and RPGs - it'd get torn instantly by something like an 88.
@rkadi6540
@rkadi6540 Год назад
@@PAUL-ESNEED without ERA, i doubt it could withstand PG-7V
@tokencivilian8507
@tokencivilian8507 Год назад
Great stuff as always DXYZS. So that slight side velocity imparted to the penetrator is all it takes.....wow.
@ivan5595
@ivan5595 Год назад
Knew ERA would work at a shorter distance. I picked the closer option. 1. T-80U (non upgraded ones) doesn't really have thermal optics, so good luck against the MGS at 4km 2. APFSDS even at very long range, still somewhat retains their performance characteristics
@JarateHunter
@JarateHunter Год назад
Is it possible to simulate how a damaged tank barrel (i.e. got shot by another tank) would react if the crew decided to shoot it anyway?
@resurgam_b7
@resurgam_b7 Год назад
Ooh, that would be really interesting, though probably really difficult to simulate.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
You barrel will get banana'd.
@leandrogoethals6599
@leandrogoethals6599 Год назад
"We got hit" Nah it bounced fire the APHE!
@krzysztofkozowicz9830
@krzysztofkozowicz9830 Год назад
@@resurgam_b7 Not really, you only need some bent in piece and then projectile that goes through the barrel with that piece sticking in.
@annamorawska8281
@annamorawska8281 Год назад
Love your videos 😊
@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45
As i imagined i was right to choose 0.4km with ERA, the effects of this layer of protection are really something to have in mind.
@chimeru
@chimeru Год назад
Hi Dejmian. Could you do similar simulation but wit Nozh on t64(or t-80U for consistency with previous simulations, dosent really matter)? Would be interesting to see how it can perform depending on the place of impact e.t.c.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
Probably
@MarcinP2
@MarcinP2 Год назад
Feels like 1-2 inch either way is a penetration. Up because it will enter the hatch and deflect down, down because it will hit closer to the fillet and not get deflected into the area supported by the hatch.
@g.zoltan
@g.zoltan Год назад
Hi! Have you considered bringing back the intro with the Maus, it was really cool with that weird aesthetic! And it's not even 2seconds, shows a good example not to waste time.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
Hi, I didn't think about it, but I really liked it too. I doubted if it was needed for anything in the video
@krazypotatopotato6743
@krazypotatopotato6743 Год назад
Love your videos and I have some suggestion I know these would need a lot of simulation time but it would be cool Nuclear powered manhole cover vs maus Schwerer Gustav aphe round vs decently sized tank Little David vs decently sized tank
@resurgam_b7
@resurgam_b7 Год назад
Check out the channel SY Simulations for the Gustav against a Sherman, he just published it a few hours ago 🙂
@prometheus_tdd
@prometheus_tdd Год назад
Really cool. I recently started doing my own sims, but I haven't found a good textolite material. So no composite armour sims for me
@Punisher9419
@Punisher9419 Год назад
Makes a big difference.
@moosiemoose1337
@moosiemoose1337 Год назад
Hey Dejmian, great sim as always. I wanted to ask if, for fun, you could simulate a triple bounce. I was playing my AMX-50 and an IS3 shot the upper glacias, the shell ricochet hitting the lower part of the turret, then ricochet again off the upper part of the turret flying almost straight up. Just a fun idea.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
If only it were possible. APC would bounce easier, but AP will shatter and that's it. 100mm or 120mm? If 120 I'd expect it to cut into the armor if it wasn't some weird angle.
@moosiemoose1337
@moosiemoose1337 Год назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 It was a pretty weird angle but it's just a fun idea, it doesn't have to be the exact same situation.
@werrkowalski2985
@werrkowalski2985 Год назад
@@moosiemoose1337 Maybe if it was just a rifle bullet. If you look at real life tests the shells often dig into armor, so it is not really possible to come up with conditions so that a triple bounce would happen.
@mGaming-ez4me
@mGaming-ez4me Год назад
Could you make the T-80U 89/UD with the ceramic upper glacis, and a shot similar to the T-90A sim with no ERA? DM33 like the T-90A sim, ceramic is silicon carbide according to available information, layout is 55mm steel + 35 SiC + 35 steel + 5mm air + 35 SiC + 50 steel, same BTK-1 steel like the T-90A, to test if this upper front plate layout is stronger than the T-90A one
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
I rarely shoot turrets and the T-80UD has a nice scheme of armor filling with simple plates so I would take this opportunity
@fregtz735
@fregtz735 Год назад
What happens if an apfsds round hits a jug of water stuck to a tank, any tank youd like. Would be cool to see if it has any effect.❤
@nologichere8764
@nologichere8764 Год назад
The driver will experience a significant emotional event.
@tokumyra
@tokumyra Год назад
Is there an example of a tandem ATGM hitting a T-80/Leopard 2 on the channel?
@lostamit3712
@lostamit3712 Год назад
Make a simulation of Leopard 2 armor with Kontakt
@Professional_Lolicon
@Professional_Lolicon Год назад
Needless to say the driver had a significant emotional event
@Red-238
@Red-238 Год назад
Hey can you do a video about 152 mm apfsds round vs nozh era
@LaminarTurbulence
@LaminarTurbulence Год назад
Can you simulate nizh era? I think it's quite unique and I'm curious how it would perform.
@jebediahkerman3826
@jebediahkerman3826 Год назад
Nizh?
@LaminarTurbulence
@LaminarTurbulence Год назад
@@jebediahkerman3826 Modern Ukrainian ERA.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
The polish era whenever you got time for it.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
👍
@squidwardfromua
@squidwardfromua Год назад
Yeah, can't believe I was right choosing ERA. But you know, APFSDS are thin and distance is not a problem, but a plate of steel flying perpendicularly into round - certainly is.
@wildonemeister
@wildonemeister Год назад
How is the Bombard vs. T-54 video coming along? :-D
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
Well
@daddycremecake4260
@daddycremecake4260 Год назад
You should do a tiger 1 vs a ww1 artillery round
@SgtSeth
@SgtSeth 11 месяцев назад
Would like to know where you are getting information on K-5 composition and effectiveness? I have this feeling that if ERA was this highly effective, NATO would be packing on ERA everywhere. instead, the US specifically has stated that while ERA is effective against chemical rounds, HEAT, its effect against kinetic penetrators is questionable or not significant enough to warrant its use. This is a military that uses DU rounds that are not significantly better than tungsten. Which is why alot of NATO partners do not attempt to use them. They also think that DU rounds are radioactive, showing they do not really understand the word depleted or that if the rounds were significantly radioactive, the crew members of Abrams tanks would be growing third eyes or showing an increase in cancer.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 11 месяцев назад
The composition of K-5 is widely known. Example, Swedish T-80U tests. 17mm HHA plate, eight 12mm thick exploding elements. 0.28kg of RDX based material each. DU is not harmful to the crew, but the remains of this material are toxic and can contaminate the battlefield. US is so eager to use DU because it does not anticipate that fighting will take place on its territory. BTW Poland doesn't care... has ordered 60k M829A4s. It is believed to be a penetrator with precursor that destroys the ERA before penetrator actually hits. If ERA isn't effective, you don't need such specialized ammo.
@acr_master5594
@acr_master5594 Год назад
any way to test a similar projectile against the Relikt reactive armor of the T-80BVM on that exact same spot near the drivers port??
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
if I had the data of some more powerful projectile
@ztashed6366
@ztashed6366 Год назад
Is it known how a relikt would work?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
@@ztashed6366 yes, schematics are available
@ztashed6366
@ztashed6366 Год назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 interesting, would like to see how effective it is
@acr_master5594
@acr_master5594 Год назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 what if you devised a long thickened uranium dart with some sort of breakoff anti era tip whilst using the dimensions of most newer apfsds?
@DefinitelyNotAnAddict
@DefinitelyNotAnAddict Год назад
Can you simulate M829A2 with the added on cap to detonate contact 5 era? Or m829A3
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
Theoretically, I could, probably even an M829A4. The problem is that there is no information about what size the precursor is and what mechanism it has.
@universate5332
@universate5332 Год назад
M829a3 was made to defeat kontakt5 era. After the fall of the soviet union they discovered that they would struggle to engage t80us at combat range
@DefinitelyNotAnAddict
@DefinitelyNotAnAddict Год назад
@Dejmian XYZ Simulations well could you theorize it possibly? Based of the simulation you did here?
@aureliencostabeber8532
@aureliencostabeber8532 Год назад
lets' go ,i'm a survivor ! (i choose the shot with k5 at 0.4km)
@Texas_Empire_4125
@Texas_Empire_4125 Год назад
What about Abrams 120mm vs battleship armor?
@MultiDivebomber
@MultiDivebomber Год назад
Hmmm.....the velocity is still at 1290 m/s after travelling for 4km?
@cpthrki5852
@cpthrki5852 Год назад
1500 m/s muzzle velocity so yeah
@yuanfurbax
@yuanfurbax Год назад
Great
@saibow
@saibow Год назад
A simulation of a T84 Oplot UFP would be interesting to see
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
would be, I have all the data except the thickness and structure of the plate between the first and second layers of Nozh.
@saibow
@saibow Год назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mqYNg0a-WIY.html RedEffect mentioned in one of his videos that the plate was removed entirely to accompany the heavier weight of the Nozh ERA, can't verify if this is correct or not.
@StarReach54
@StarReach54 Год назад
surprising that the round was DU, it seemed very brittle and broke apart right after the era plate hit the projectile, thought it was steel penetrator 😅
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
What you wrote doesn't really make any sense. DU can be both brittle (really brittle, not what you meant) and ductile, same with steel, depending on the treatment and hardness achieved.
@schugert
@schugert Год назад
Было бы интересно посмотреть более объективное видео. Не один снаряд не летит в нормаль, то есть в идеально геометрически, относительно плоскости, угол.
@ivanpupkin9096
@ivanpupkin9096 Год назад
это ты про нарезные, а тут стабилизация оперением
@Victor-vj5ds
@Victor-vj5ds Год назад
I was expecting it to hit lower where it would face both angled plates, seems like it only worked because the explosives deflected it into a thick section.
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
You can reference the 829a2 for what would happen if hit the lower section.
@Victor-vj5ds
@Victor-vj5ds Год назад
@@jintsuubest9331 with no explosives at a theoretical 4km?
@sbura_
@sbura_ Год назад
where does the material of the rod go? in the videos it just disappears while it penetrates
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
goes back to the beginning of the hole, sometimes I show it, but generally small particles blur the view
@juannixs1524
@juannixs1524 Год назад
Please Have a 200MM of armoe on Front or 120MM
@user-xo1kl4kf1r
@user-xo1kl4kf1r Год назад
Can you simulate dm33 vs t80u?
@user-ry7qo4gx2d
@user-ry7qo4gx2d Год назад
Is the place with rubber and composed armour harder than the full iron plate ?
@mikhail-yug-9581
@mikhail-yug-9581 Год назад
🤦‍♂
@deboshadow
@deboshadow Год назад
Try an old bombard vs anything.
@FinnisJaeger
@FinnisJaeger Год назад
Do a modern western apfsds like m829a2-3 or Dm53-63 vs this setup!
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
I can only estimate M829A3 tip size and assume steel, and data on DM53 segments is not certain
@FinnisJaeger
@FinnisJaeger Год назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Indeed but what is more fun than to estimate and try out?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
@@FinnisJaeger I will make a poll
@Mathosalpha
@Mathosalpha Год назад
​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 if you need info on the m829a3 materials, I can link you to the relevant patent on Google. There is also a patent for KET the tungsten version that I can link that has a good diagram that matches known images of the rounds as well as giving relevant dimensions.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
@@Mathosalpha Patent documents show the idea of operation and the approximate dimensions of the steel tip and rod. Dimensions can be estimated, but the patent artwork may not necessarily represent the size or detail of the tip. Is it solid? Such a sharp tip would easily deflect. Is the steel soft or hard?
@galdar9618
@galdar9618 Год назад
Well that's legit. I thought ERA is only useful for defeating HEAT rounds. Maybe compare shaped charge penetration with and without ERA?
@nzkiwiguy_3044
@nzkiwiguy_3044 Год назад
How do you make these?
@ashkii508
@ashkii508 Год назад
Does M900 not feature a sacrificial tip? and how effective are these tips even?
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
Doubtfully effective. The first American rod with such a tip is the M829A3, if I had a good schematic I could test it.
@okakokakiev787
@okakokakiev787 Год назад
Tandemn weapons like tow2a m829a3 wont work against tandemn ERA like the Relict btw
@handsomeivan1980
@handsomeivan1980 Год назад
Relikt v M829a2?
@gabrielbeauchamp3436
@gabrielbeauchamp3436 6 месяцев назад
Where can i play that?
@dameroglaz6933
@dameroglaz6933 5 месяцев назад
What is this program?
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
Wait, no side ways?
@Daniel-0067
@Daniel-0067 Год назад
Didn't vote on this one, so technically i cannot be wrong.
@schutzanzug4518
@schutzanzug4518 Год назад
Hey dejmian. I was wondering if you can do Ukraine projectile from t64bv, againsed a t90a turret at different angles or slightly below the turret composite armor. The t90a has a lot of weak positions on the turret.
@jakubrzepkowski2290
@jakubrzepkowski2290 Год назад
"minor emotional event for driver"
@fiodarkliomin1112
@fiodarkliomin1112 Год назад
It's will be better if you show penetrating from the distance 1000 meter. When shell don't have start speed
@IWannaSleepPls
@IWannaSleepPls Год назад
I still would park the tank sideways
@GearheadVO
@GearheadVO Год назад
Pour one out for all my ERA-less 4km homies who are dead rn ERA gang stay winning
@indrahaseo
@indrahaseo Год назад
the driver spot is weakpoint as common
@Shtposting101
@Shtposting101 5 месяцев назад
Website name please!!!!
@wjbqmzl4223
@wjbqmzl4223 Год назад
Could you do a comparison video for Kontakt-1 in the same scenario?
@LazyLifeIFreak
@LazyLifeIFreak Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QN-XxbDOnAY.html The video above shows a (somewhat humorous) calculation on how much 'cheese' armor a Maus tank (WW2) would need to defeat a TOW missile, my question is now would it be possible to do such a simulation?
@chocokingchocolate1273
@chocokingchocolate1273 Год назад
I was correct weeeeeeeeeeeeee i am officially an expert now :)))
@Windows-pq4xv
@Windows-pq4xv Год назад
Что за программа скажите пожалуйста????????
@LT0609
@LT0609 Год назад
Ansys
@ihatesovietderp2268
@ihatesovietderp2268 Год назад
Which armor plate is that
@user-mb2tu1lu8e
@user-mb2tu1lu8e Год назад
Т-80У
@alb9229
@alb9229 Год назад
K5 will produce much higher bending and shattering than what is showcased by this ''simulation'' as attested by real life ballistic testing .
@pooftube7763
@pooftube7763 Год назад
Relict is now used instead of kontakt-5
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Год назад
That's not the point here, and there are still many vehicle using k5.
@user-nr3gp2ts2g
@user-nr3gp2ts2g Год назад
@@jintsuubest9331 And even more using k1...
@AnthraciteGari
@AnthraciteGari Год назад
haha I knew it, ERA turns kinetics into floppy noodles
@Sveta7
@Sveta7 Год назад
This was not what you said in the pole, the apfsds went to the drivers port weakspot and not the center of the ufp...
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
did I write that in the center of the ufp? I wrote in the center of you, the driver...
@Sveta7
@Sveta7 Год назад
@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 It was confusing, more implying the center of the plate, why and how would striker be aiming at the center of the driver?
@grey_ghost0160
@grey_ghost0160 Год назад
I knew it
@mateushun7956
@mateushun7956 Год назад
ERA was primarily made against Shaped charges and not Kinetic penetrators.
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 Год назад
Just goes to show and remind us that ERA is an integral part of the armour design in post-Soviet/Russian tanks and not just an "add-on" or an afterthought. Also, I'm glad I voted right ;)
@MarcinP2
@MarcinP2 Год назад
But this is the 105mm, now obsolete.
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 Год назад
@@MarcinP2 Yeah, because T-80U is so modern.... also, it is a very small distance AND hits a weak spot.
@genericscottishchannel1603
@genericscottishchannel1603 Год назад
Pretty hilarious that the composite doesn't run the full height of the plate
@LiezAllLiez
@LiezAllLiez 10 месяцев назад
Massive difference, in spite of a 300% shorter range. Slap ERA on everything, including your wife and dog!
@lightningstrike5024
@lightningstrike5024 Год назад
Didnt the poll say centre mass shot? This isnt really centre mass
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Год назад
Center of the driver lol
@whatamidoingwithmylife4108
@whatamidoingwithmylife4108 Год назад
0:32 That crew is gonna eat some spicy sausage for dinner tonight 😋
@chr0n1c22
@chr0n1c22 Год назад
bro ur not shooting the armor tho? youre hitting above it
@hssilic3794
@hssilic3794 Год назад
в современных исполнениях текстолит заменен на высокотвердую сталь
@ivanpupkin9096
@ivanpupkin9096 Год назад
для того что бы кумулем легче было шить?ладно бы керамика...
@Vasilyev74
@Vasilyev74 11 месяцев назад
LoL, its wet dream of chanell author
@user-qy5em9xd2q
@user-qy5em9xd2q Год назад
🤡
@MrSaerrock
@MrSaerrock Год назад
And this is the same gun fitted to the T55SM from Slovakia & now serving in Ukraine...& the Leopard 1 that are being refurbed from storage. Russian tanks don't stand a chance against thsi & the new 120mm Western tanks..Slava Ukraini
@ivanpupkin9096
@ivanpupkin9096 Год назад
tanks vs tanks? realy? what about rpg-s and another Rockets?
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