K2's Dark Truth: Have Mountaineers Lost Their Soul?  

Here's another look at the many shades of gray in this tragic story of Muhammed Hassan, with Angela Benevides of Explorers Web, called Clients Won't Save You: Won't Save You: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jhf9csV22f4.html

i come from a family of mountaineers, I was raised in a spirit of solidarity on the mountains. My father and grandfather would be shocked to see this. Rest in peace Muhammed.

These peak baggers aren't the kind of people I'd want to spend a lot of time with. Steindl on the other hand is a man of genuine integrity and worthy of deep respect.

God bless Willi Steindl, a climber with a conscience and compassion 🙏

There's actually a name for this: Diffusion of Responsibility. When there are many people around at the time of a crisis, everyone assumes someone else will deal with it. You're far more likely to get help if there are only a few people nearby.

The whole mountaineering industry kind of disgusts me....Rich people ticking off their bucket list on the back of poor workers on top of the environmental destruction caused by these expeditions

Geez. Hard to stomach. I don't know what to think. Thanks again, Thom.✌

He was killed by the company that hired him, not by the people who couldn't or didn't help him. Sent up there with no oxygen, no gear, and probably not a lot of experience.

Thank you for putting these interviews together. There is so much speculation and assumption that happens in these situations. It's important to get the first hand accounts. I feel so terrible for Hassan and his family and am glad to see that the gofundme is being successful.

Ego also plays a big part in this. People want to reach the summit so bad, they even are willing to step over someone dying. I understand safety first but a lot of people will probably brag about reaching the summit and saw someone dying on their way up. It’s sad 😢

If you cannot stand on your feet at the bottleneck of K2, it’s all over for you. This is the sad reality of high altitude mountaineering. Everest at that height? Maybe a rescue can be made. On K2, it would take weeks or months of preparation, a large dedicated team, and it still might not be possible. Most people just have no idea what it’s like up there. He was given supplemental o2 and still did not respond. You can either go up, or go down and mourn, those are your options. Now the woman that was partying at base camp after the summit, that’s a problem, true mountaineers don’t behave this way.

Very common in emergency circumstances. Unless someone takes charge, you have a crowd of people doing nothing- in this case almost 80 people. The majority of blame probably falls on the guides and team leaders- the professionals- for failing to lead. I'd like to think that comes down to poor SAR/first aid training, but it makes one wonder what would happen if one of their own clients got into trouble...As a client, you should consider how much effort would be put into your survival by others on the mountain.

As you say, it is difficult to determine whether a rescue is even possible at this altitude and in this environment... I'd hope that If I found myself in this situation I would choose to try and help this individual instead of summiting, to turn back and pursue professional aid rather than pushing on.

I admire the young man who took it upon himself to visit this man's family. A true hero. Made the choice to go back & still after the tragedy he went to visit his family. Well done sir, truly heartwarming to see. 🙏🏼🫶🏻🙏🏼🌻

I think you hit the nail on the head here in your intro: the commercialization of these 8k meter peaks leads to inexperienced climbers paying to get to the top. They can barely help themselves let alone someone else. If there were a climbing experience requirement of some kind to climb these mountains- be it tested skill or previous climbs- perhaps less of these tragedies would occur. You'd have fewer overall people climbing, and those who were would be experienced enough to know their limits, know how to gauge weather, and be comfortable enough to render aid to other climbers.

Heart breaking. Climbing has become a 'designer' activity for the beautiful people. Good job by Will. We need more like him.

This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌

So crazy… even facing certain death in wars 100’s of years ago. Their guts hanging out, someone would stay and help the fallen. So sad. Humans are so awful now 😢 bet if that was one of the rich people paying instead of the help they would have cared.

This man is a blessing. It’s so sad what happened to Mohammed. I hope his family will be OK.

Thank you Thom, This video definitely had me tearing up. Im totally amazed at the people who attempt any mountain and put their goal a head of helping others. I always thought that mountain climbing was about everyone coming home alive! I couldn't live with myself if I stepped over someone needing help and didn't put their wellbeing above summiting, maybe its being a nurse for thirty years and helping others that makes me think this way but I truly believe I couldn't live with myself if I summited at the expense of someone else's death without.....trying to do the right thing. Im left speechless and truly disappointed at the people who attempt to summit big mountains with no humanity.

The last comment made here,..makes sense. Make a portion of the "cost of the climb", an insurance fund for the guides and sherpas. It seems fair, and logical. This makes me sad, that people are treated so.

Hey again! I'd love to hear your take on Arlene Blum's expedition to Annapurna. Great work as always. You really keep the dignity of these folks. Being a climber yourself i really appreciate your educated take on these inspirational stories

Just like the David Sharp episode on Everest except I feel like a rescue on K2 would be vastly more difficult!

I'm not a climber so maybe I have no right to judge anyone for the decisions they made that awful day. However, I can't help but be reminded of the words of Dr. Houston when speaking of Art Gilke. He didn't believe he would survive, but they had to give him every chance. They picked him up and the whole team started down the mountain, and continued down even after the avalanche swept Art away. Tell me, is it really so hard that a few men couldn't drag him down to a tent, give what 1st aid they could and either wait for a rescue team or care for him until he died? I'm ignorant here, but I feel so hurt for this man knowing he was literally reaching out, begging for help.

How do you get people to give up a prize they spent so much money to get? How about making another prize that is more coveted? Something not everyone can have. A rescue metal of honor. For those who gave up the summit to help rescue another. A patch to sew on and even a cash reward with a ceremony. Golfers get the green jacket, there are bravery metals, etc. Publish it in papers and magazines etc. Just a thought.

I've been trying to figure out if there really was a way to help Hassan. I don't know if people realize how high up on K2 the bottleneck is ... and that it is the most dangerous part of the mountain due to being in the death zone with sn apartnent-size serac hanging above the climbers, ready to kill them all at any moment. Climbers know to get out of there asap. It was reported that two sherpas & a climber pulled him up on the ledge & gave him oxygen in the hopes that he would stand up. Without the ability to stand & take direction, he would not be able to be short-roped down. Hassan did not bring back-up oxygen. The standing around & waiting, depleted everyone's oxygen. The sherpas probably realized that they would need 4-6 very experienced climbers to even attempt this rescue,while risking their own lives, because Hassan couldn't even hold his own body up. K2 is steep without any areas for rest, so I can't see how they could have gotten him down without a bit of his his help & without risking their lives as well. Also, everyone is low on oxygen that close to the summit - esp when wasting oxygen while waiting - which is why some turn back. Btw ... Sherpas are paid by the climbers - most of whom are not rich, but had saved half of their lives for this. The more summits a sherpa has on his CV, the more $$$ he can charge in the future ($15-$40,000) in a country where the average income is around $300/year. Everyone has a lot at stake. Most wouldn't know how to plan or execute a rescue on such a technically, avalanche-prone "killer" mountain anyways ... and the experienced mounrsineers & sherpas know how to recognize when a person has succumbed to cerebral/pulmonary edema. Poor Hassan & his family. He was new at this and had no idea of what he would be facing. He was improperly dressed for such cold and without back-up oxygen. He just needed some guidance & rules of surviving in the death zone. It's incredibly sad that no one bothered to take him under their wing & tesch him. I'm basing my opinion on what i have read, as well as Hassan's complete collspse. (Sorry that this is so long).

There’s nothing climbers can do on the narrow paths when others fall or run out of oxygen. It’s important that novice climbers not attempt to climb. Those people jeopardize others & could cause the death of many.

I've written a number of times in the comments section of videos similar to this that.. if wealthy people pay a lot to kill themselves on mountains...fair enough. That's what they want to do. But what is just unacceptable is the way they usually kill porters and people labelled "guides"..generally people from poor countries who are paid not much, treated badly, and viewed as expendable. When I have a look at the reactions to my comments. I NEVER see people saying "yes that is bad". Not a bit of it. I gets reams of people saying "they get paid more than they would if they stayed at home" "it's a lot of money for people like them" (I kid you not. "people like them")or the disgusting "they knew the risks". So as far as I can tell, the people who watch videos about mountain climbing are the eye poppingly selfish, and inhumane.

Thats why I have more respect for military soldiers. They will never leave their comrade in danger behind. One is to die for his country, the other is to die for K2. Sad.

The way that this person's death was handled (among other things) has tarnished my opinon of the people that paid to climb the mountain. And, especially, those people that were paid to lead them to the summit.

I'm curious as to what you would do in this situation, Thom. Was there ever a 'gentleman's agreement' when you were on Everest to 'let nature take it's course' if someone encountered difficulties? Is it even feasible to help someone that high?

The moral decision to climb over an injured climber is not made in the moment. One decides, long before ever reaching the mountain, that no help will be proffered regardless of dire need. Climbing is nothing if not the most brutal and narcissistic hobby I have ever seen. Not helping is not the anomaly, it is the norm.

This reminds me David Sharp controversy.

Appalling, Despicable and may all 70 be haunted by the utter lack of any Humanity. Shame!!!!

Thanks so much for the interview. The gentleman you interviewed was right. Everybody has come up with some excuse. You know that there is no guarantee that a person will survive even if brought down, but somebody had to have seen that he did not have the necessary gear. I fear that people have lost their Humanity!

Really shocking what people will stoop to when they want to satisfy their ego and have a sense of accomplishment by climbing a mountain, which in the real world means nothing. The situation certainly exposed all those who stepped over him simply to stand on top of a mountain. The fact that they also trash the mountain by leaving behind their garbage and empty oxygen bottles further demonstrates a lack of respect for the mountain as well. If you packed it in, you should pack it out. Pakistan and Tibet really need to start cracking down on these behaviors.

Great video Thom! Love the "peak baggers" term and your perspective.

These are people who have money more than I will ever dream of. But I don’t think the behaviour was callous. I think we are told all the time, don’t get involved, let the experts, let the professionals. People do step forward on planes, when asked to. I was homeless, very few people talked to me. But people are scared. I was young and female. I wasn’t begging but sometimes got given food. It’s life. People assume things. They assume that homeless couldn’t happen to them, couldn’t be real. Maybe I had a house (I didn’t). I got thrown out of stations where I was sheltering. Not platforms, the foyer. I was an eyesore that might pickpocket, steal or beg. I did none of these, I took no drugs, I just fell through a loophole in society. And every single person I met assumed the worst. I did nothing wrong other than getting ill. This isn’t a K2 problem. Like me Mohammed got ill at work. Unlike me his work had much higher risks. Do you know how many people stepped over me? Do you know how long it took me to have someone listen and try and help. It was a policewoman. It wasn’t her job. I was trespassing in the porch of a public building. My eyes shutting because I couldn’t sleep at night. Mohammed was working in an area he had not enough equipment or experience in. I know that when I get ill at work recently that although my workplace will do the bare minimum, my government will pay my basic living costs until I crawl back to work. If the Pakistani government has people working on K2, and is charging for this, then included in that fee should be worker rescue. The people paying so much money can pay for basic employee care. And if it’s not safe to bring someone injured down, then yes to sit with them. Someone needs to have some basic rules for emergencies in place. Teams do look after each other. But knowing who is on what team is crazy. If people pay to go, they can pay for rules. The rules have always been ‘no rescue from the death zone’ as so many rescuers have died. Does that need reevaluating with no technology. One extra thing in the mix. That everyone here has only so much oxygen. Death happens fast up there. Everyone is walking around with hypoxia. You physiologically cannot think well. It’s like being drunk. I don’t think it’s Western v poorer countries although there is so much poverty where do you start. Having worked my adult life with the disadvantaged after my experience, I want to ask everyone how many people and situations that they have walked past this week. People like I used to be, that they have literally stepped over. My views on the world shifted dramatically when city dwellers stepped over me on their way home. When I literally hadn’t eaten or really slept for a week. Yes climbing over a dying person is horrific. But who are we, who step over people daily to judge. I wanted water and sanitary towels not sandwiches. When I spent too long in the bathroom mopping up my period with tissue, security were called because it was assumed I was taking drugs. Obviously, because a homeless young woman must take drugs, not have a period. They kicked the door in and ‘removed’ me. I give money to charities abroad as well as here, because no one deserves that. It’s a cultural phenomenon where ‘they’ are not human somehow. I don’t know. I agree we need to support the widow. But we all need to take a look at ourselves and our everyday thoughts. Could we acknowledge someone, signpost someone, accept that drug addicts still need clothes, water, sanitary products, and respect. Not walk over someone who has no access to a toilet.

It's interesting that the same person who has the sticktuitiveness, mental and physical strength needed to singlemindedly push themselves to succeed at summiting a death-zone mountain as an amateur is the same person who would step over someone to GET to that summit.. I've hiked and backcountry camped in the Cascades, Appalachians and other places, but I KNOW I don't have what it takes to climb Everest.. What I DO have is the soul to STOP my summit bid to SIT with a dying man for as long as I could.. That's the LEAST I could do.. I couldn't live with myself if I left him to GO UP.. to continue that single- minded trudge towards.. Accomplishment? I UNDERSTAND how/why someone could continue and think "someone else will do it" .. "I can't..bc I'm not ___ enough" ..strong? Don't have enough O2? I don't want to judge anybody because not only was I not there, but I personally would rather have a clear conscience than a mountain in the bag.. I'm not trying to be. I'm speaking only for myself.. I wonder if the sherpa felt obligated to stay with their clients.. I can't imagine anyone being able to do a rescue for someone who is non-ambulatory at 24,000+ feet, but if Hassan was reaching out for people, he was at least somewhat cognizant .

I sorry Thom but this makes me sick. The way our world is now blows my mind. I’m only 41 but in the 80s and 90s someone needed help you helped them if it killed you doing that so be it. I think it’s bad that a lot of countries say it’s just Americans that are selfish but this shows it’s a global thing. I hope we can at least come together and help his family. The guy didn’t even have the right gear and he’s fixing ropes for these people who step over him Sad Sad. Thanks Thom

This is the mountains version of the BYSTANDER EFFECT... ( bystander apathy ) for those who have never heard of this it refers to a phenomenon in which the greater the number of people there are present, the less likely people are to help a person in distress.

Is Wilhelm okay? He hasn’t posted anything on socials since the fall?

I'm not sure if this sounds silly but, with little to no experience, the cost to climb that mountain should cover the cost to climb with a rescue team, a professional rescue team for each individual.

I now see K2 and Everest as the most expensive graveyard above the clouds. Overall those stories hit quite hard, even though I want to say "They signed for this" and dismiss it. I can´t. It´s not that easy, I helped several times people when they blacked out or had epilepsy. I assure you, they are afterward dead weight, hard to manipulate even on flat surface. Personally I CAN´T imagine this happen on the terrain like mountain. We might critize them from our warm place - but hell, even if they WOULD (and should) call help, rescuers have to climb up and go through all those masses of tourist there and back (passing incoming tourists). It´s insanity and I would never go there, knowing this would traumatize me and spoil whole climb. Not to mention all this tourism destroys both mountains with waste and sadly unlucky climbers. This is prime example how uncivilised we are in mutliple layers!

There was only one way. Everyone with limited oxygen. And overcrowded. It would have been practical to let everyone pass before attempting a rescue. Otherwise , you have a whole mountain of people running out of oxygen and dying. You couldn't reach him and descend with so many people going the opposite direction. And a mountain of inexperienced climbers. There were heaps of variables that would have made it difficult for rescue. That was a recipe for mass death disaster. That many people should never have been allowed on the mountain at the same time. Its so sad that no one cared back at base. 😢

You say no one stopped and everyone kept stepping over him but then say the couple stayed with him probably 2 hours and their camera man shared oxygen then even show footage of people comforting him. I’d never make this excursion so I’m not sure of protocol but what were all of those people supposed to do? Rest in peace to this man 😞

I don't understand how these mountaineer companies don't have policies and procedures in place for this kind of thing?? In any other environment a medical emergency would be taken more seriously. A lack of action would normally result in negligence lawsuit. 🤷‍♀️

If anyone try to help Hassan. God bless you all . Please try to help his family with a little time to comfort them. And fanincial Help To help family. They lost their son. This is so cruel sir I hope you will be help . Sir you are an angel. I wish I could help. Sir you an a Nigel this family Needs. Help this is the shepherd

People need to understand there's nothing one can do for someone so high up on the mountain the more experienced climbers are partially to blame. Why would you take an inexperienced climber so high up it's pure madness

Bottleneck rescue is extremely dangerous

Get out of the way I'm going for my summit or bust !

It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth after seeing what happened to Hassan. I realize it must be very expensive to go on climbing expeditions such as that. However, no amount of money is worth more than someone's life. I would've stopped and tried to get him down. I'll pray for his family.

If these 73 people wouldn't be a sad excuse of a human being, they would all at least, AT LEAST donate a significant amount to that Go Fund Me. That's the least they can do now. Really disgusting behaviour by them. I didn't know they even celebrate in base camp afterwards. Horrible.

The human species is a self-serving and selfish species. I could find no glory or satisfaction on the summit if I had to step over and ignore an injured fellow climber to get there.

I'm not a climber and I'm not sure why the algorithm brought me this video. But what I now know have changed my opinion on these selfish "adventures" and will not be impressed when I hear someone having climbed one of the "big ones again". There's nothing great about having poor people practically building a ladder and dragging your ass up a mountain, before stepping over their dying bodies in order to take a selfie. - Especially when many other people did the same thing at same time you did.

Looks like it would be impossible to move him. Didn’t a bunch of people die trying this same thing a few years back?

I think under normal circumstances everyone would try to help, but there was a long line of people, they were already exhausted themselves and most likely had 0 knowledge abt rescue operations in the mountains, people were left behind in the past, he shouldn’t have been a porter there in the first place. This guy just talks but I wonder what he would have done in the situation, it’s easy to pretend to be so nice but it’s not really helpful

There might have been little that could have been done, but now we can save his children at least

thats not a boyscout camp, thats extreme high altitude climbing. Everyone who has made decision to climp up there has commited to the hard reallity that above 6500-8000 meters there is no help coming and youre on your own. though luck. Now all those knights in shining armor preaching moral high grounds should ask themeselves what they could have done realistically? Not much.

The number one person responsible for Hassan's death is Hassan. He willingly put himself in that position, on that mountain, and it wasn't anyone else's responsibility to execute his rescue. It has also been widely reported that he wasn't exactly prepared or adequately equipped to be on that mountain. I've also heard no one elucidate precisely how his rescue would have been executed, considering that trail was PACKED with climbers on the very route he would need to be taken down. It's a tragedy that won't be rectified by pointing fingers.

I understand if you can't take the person with you but to just keep on climbing feels very disturbing. I think too though that some people expected or thought others would help and specially if they where just paying clients they maybe expected professionals to help. He must have had a team, I really wonder what they where doing.

I would not be able to pass someone who needs help to reach the summit and be joyful. I would help or go back. But that’s me.

10:10 it makes me think, the experience of hearing about Jesus. And wonder how that one perfect life, death, and resurrection could be ignored as people make their own summit bids… 🤔

Okay, even if they got him down, K2 is so remote he still would have passed

These people are cruel and heartless to treat a human like this.

this is so hard to watch I have to be careful what I say here Best I say nothing at all I will certainly make a donation

its so tragic, the summit is never worth a human life, no matter how much money youve spent, no matter how much work youve put in to reach this point, if you need to turn around to even just maybe save someones life you do. i hope hassan can rest in peace

The climbers all walk so slowly. I couldnt stand being with them. And then so many are filthy thieves of critical equipment.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. When you go on Everest DO NOT expect to be saved when you're in trouble

Save yourselves 🏃🏽‍♀️🏃🏽‍♀️🏃🏽‍♀️🏃🏽‍♀️

Hmm yeah thas crazy how they didnt just carry him down the mountain. It would have been so easy and totally possible. Now, lets figure out why the survivors of the titanic didnt just swim down and rescue the ones still trapped in the boat? Or why Hawaiians didnt just walk through the wildfires and carry out the ones that were burning? Can anyone figure out why? Anyone? 😂

The sad thing is women in this part of the world aren’t allowed to get an education and work so they are solely dependent on the husband or son. It’s truly a sad situation.

This is why the mountains must be closed... Period!

So rookies and not real climbers ruined Everest, now they're ruining K2...great...

The only person who would of tried to stop and help is nimsdai

This is difficult for me to write. ... Back in the 1960s I wanted to become a climber, actually a mountaineer. There is a difference. Life got in the way, we had kids and responsibilities prevented following my dream. I always felt I had missed the "brass ring." NO LONGER!! I am more than happy to not be associated with the mountaineering community as it has currently evolved. It seems in that community there are classes of people, perhaps even a "caste system." There are those who are "served," and there are those who "serve." Those who are served could give a rat's patootee about those who serve, "the little people." In this case Hassan was simply another obstacle in a grand adventure. His name will not even show on the summit certificate the summiteers will hang on their wall. He will soon be forgotten, but the summiteers will be toasted as heroes for years to come!?!?!?!?!?!

I would think theres more honor and respect to save or even try to save a life than climb a mountain . Especially looking like a lemming climbing to the top .

Hope Hassan can rest in peace. I think there should be a test or examination before giving permit to climb. I never climb any mountain though but i wonder if the reason for not rescuing because it's too dangerous..can it be applied in any situations during the climb? After the press conference, it really left the bitter taste in my mouth. I couldn't forget Hassan and his family 😢 💔

The whole tourism around these moutains raises a lot of questions.... RIP Hassan

To the Despicable 73: For many years there has been an unwritten but absolute rule that, if you come upon someone in distress on the sea or in the mountains, you must do all you can to assist, despite any risk or danger to yourself. Many have died doing so. You failed. Don't come back to the mountains. You are not worthy or welcome. When you tell your grandkids how you tamed K2 be sure to tell them how you had to step over this pesky Pakistani but the after-party was great, hey?

This is becoming a godless sport

Have Mountaineers Lost Their Soul? THEY NEVER HAD ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE

Very sad, troubling story, though it should be noted that inexperienced, guided tourists lack initiative and, in fact, are totally incapable of mounting a rescue at 8200 . Even with experienced mountaineers such rescues entail great risk for all at 8200 meters on K2. Commercializing of the big peaks is inevitable, unfortunate, and increasingly, a travesty and this is the consequence. Finally, if we are to be honest, Muhammed should not have been on the mountain and he bears the most responsivity for his demise.

@EverestMystery you lost me @0:18 when you said inexperienced. Shame. Shame. Shame.

What is it with people? That simple rock that’s what it comes down to. Yes, it is a note however, if you break a piece off it is a Rock nothing greater, why do people value a piece of rock over the life of a person? What causes those 70 individuals not to help this man to step up on the way up and back? They all are responsible for a loss on that man’s life I’m not helping him they have his blood, the image of his face forever in their dreams and life I understand that supposedly and rescue team was on their way. I’m sorry but out of 70 people no one had the foresight to check I want to respond team and get an ETA. No, they didn’t care and ask the truth. I also understand that this person was reaching for people that were stepping over him to get up and get back down the hill for help, but they ignored him and continue on their way I’m certain it was great celebration parties for when they got back to base camp ⛺️ it was nice in warm with lots of . Good hot food. As well as medical aid, nice sleeping bags and I wager doing that time not one person thought or spoke out loud of the man or his name and why didn’t any of them check in with the head of the expectation? And informed them of the situation and if they did they why is it that only 2 climbers has broken out about this incident there is an law call the good samaritan Law in the USA that requires any individual That see’s another person life in Danger that if it is possible True, render. Aid I watch this and they said that it could have been done so why was it not done The truth, just Greedy mess on their part. Shameful. As well as sinful, I strongly believe That the 70 people that did not help as well the company like they used to get there all must pay 💰 in US dollars I have a fine to be levied against awesome the 70 people that let that man to Die with out helping him as wild as the company, they hired have to take a ethics class for two years and not be allowed or permitted granted permission to climb in the Mountain or hill on this earth for no less than 4 years The companies that were higher, must do the same and not be permitted to operate during that time period or reopen under a new name striker exercises, if none exists or do in emergency situation be practice porters need to pass course but not have to pay climbers and companies that they hire I must take a class out of there money every two years to keep their certification that must shows where they took their courses with name and date no company can use there own company even if the name was changed all Base camp supervisors will be required to take the course every year in order To keep their certifications and licenses all Equipment to include hi altitude Satellite radios and equipment be updated and checked by a outside agency prior to each climbing season before the start of the season once after they arrive at their destinations and equipment is to be checked by a certified professional and then signed off on using different colored stamp only after it is certified then all of there monitoring equipment, drinking To include their radios locked up in a high security facility where they will be able to collect all of their appointment and have it checked before leaving This should be called the man’s full name Law in the country or nation, wishing to climb, must a-hear to this law or will not be permitted to climb I for my self fill that the cost of another person life even just one person is unacceptable in this case it clearly shows that there were other options that should have taken place at the time but where not I ask all of you if it was you and there was a way to get you back home to your kids wife and family wounded you want them to get you back home???

Good story’s. I gave the kids $100

We also need to look at things from another side. He is totally unprepared obviously climbed with inappropriate dressing and gear most likley never been exposed to this harsh and dangerous climbing environment. An almost 90 degree super iced and dangerous wall where he falls. I cant imagine how any montaineer can attempt to take him down without himself most likely losing his life. Who on this wall wants to stay stationary there waiting for potential avalanches to kill them. Who willingly is going to give up his own needed oxygen ? Its all good to blame and humiliate and shame these other people and shred them to pieces for not being heroes who don't wish to run into the fire to save someone elses lifes and get killed along the way. My motto: unless it is safe for yourself you don't need to be anyonelses hero. And NOBODY on that wall was remotley 10% safe. Anyone going on this dangerous climbing expedition is responsible for what happens to them. Your doing this willingly and you need to deal with the consequences. And i find it really insulting using " westerners " its like making statements about a type of people. Discriminating

The experience would be no doubt one of a kind but that mountain is not inhabitable. Obviously yea but we don’t belong there

does this man has incredibly blue eyes or is it just his shirt ??

you said " No one rendered aid they left him" THEN you say the woman who was blamed actually rendered aid gave oxy. and did not use the name of the spot the bottleneck where people die ALL THE TIME of all the spots in K2 and I mean all that is the single worst place to doddle. its like having a tea party in the icefield on everest. the guy was an adult he was employed by other adults you expect others to gamble their lives on people who knowingly put themselves into a horrible situation? thats not how nature works take responsibility for yourself do not expect others to do it for you its not like he wandered off a trail in the park that's K2 K freaking 2

Willy said “ a rescue must start immediately “ yet he didn’t attempt a rescue either.! If not you… then who???? You were there too.

It looks like the kind of place where devoting energy to helping others could endanger your own life. I'm not sure I blame anyone for walking past another injured, dying person. Maybe people don't belong there in the first place...seems kinda dumb.

If people let their own Sherpas help and summited the next day instead he could have been helped. There were 80 people there for Christ’s sakes. Someone could have done something. But he was only the help so he didn’t get what paying customers get. At least his culture considers it an honor to die there. 😢

What would going down do at that point, you have to move in the death zone or die yourself. Sad situation as he shouldnt be on the mountain without down outfit or proper training. There was no savi g him though, bottle neck in death zone so just stop with that already. You dont stop in the death zone.

nothing on top of mountain.... dont go....

This is so sad…but it kinda rings a bell for me, like racism…because I’ve heard of other mountain and diving accidents and always always if the victim is caucasian people so try to help them and give them comfort or stay with them until they are rescued or die and if they die they try to recover the body (if they can) but this is way to harsh and cruel

I can't believe anyone of these people when they leave can't give there sherpas there snow suits when they leave the mountain 🏔️. Seeing they guys in blue jeans 👖 and a small coat. Only not even boots 🥾

Summit vs humunity ..... Shameful Act ... these aru not true mountaineer ... these are selfish, greedy type .... i start hate mountaineering after see this un human act

Rendering aid with oxygen, clothing etc. is possible and moral. Unfortunately, the narrative is usually based on a false choice - if some people had stopped they could have saved Hassans life. That is delusional.

Evil