Great demo, I have trained several years in kali, Silat, muay thai and BJJ. These guys are good at what they do. Don't dismiss it just because it's a demonstration. I train BJJ and Muay thia for the ring, and kali and silat for street, weapons and to round and balance my skills. It's all good, it's the man and the effort in his training NOT THE STYLE... Peace, love and best to all!
Silat and Kali have a great many similarities, while still differing fundamentally. It really comes down to personal preference, as they're both equally effective & deadly arts. I train in Kali, while dabbling in Silat, and I think they compliment each other wonderfully.
@@lonesomepiranha3045 silat mainly focuses on breaking an opponents structure, kali originated from knives and sticks, and translated to empty hands (panantukan, art of defanging the snake) to put someone in a submission
@@Tony-ky6hh I'm a lightweight guy so silat will work well in my favor (im better off with kali tho). I have an unrelated follow-up question. When it comes the musculoskeletal system, what martial arts compliments the art of shooting (firearms)??? I'm thinking taekwondo as well because the assumed positions and how they move are in line with the assumed position of the shooter and the exercises involved are to relieve.
I'm an Arnis/Kali practitioner, currently studying four styles of it.. I disagree with those people who claim that Arnis De Mano/Kali is heavily influenced by Spanish Esgrima. European Fencing is all about getting your point through the opponent while Arnis De Mano looks more about the weapons edge. Also a big difference with Arnis from Euro Fencing is the live hand/guardian hand.
Explain european fencing. You thought spaniards only went over with rapiers? The probably went over with other swords too. Also swords which had a cutting purpose instead mainly a stabbing one like most rapiers. Just inform yourself about the spanish fencing. By the way espada y daga? Rapier and main gauche? Seems familiar. There has been influence and why would that be a bad thing?
the relationship between Kali and Silat is one like Northern and Southern Kung Fu. Come from the same root art but were influenced independently by outside factors and necessities. BTW, many Filipino styles in Mindanao are still called Kuntao and Silat.
Kali philosophy is different.... The approach of Kali in the fight scene is focused on weapons and improvised weapons..... As much as possible, you avoid fighting with empty hands.... Empty hands are used only in a very desperate situation where you cannot find any weapons such as knife or stick or scissor, screw driver, pencil etc.... The logic is simple... You have more chances of winning if you fight with "weapons" than fighting with empty hands.....
@@yeqo6439 He's not saying Kali hand to hand isn't effective. He's just saying that Kalistas prefer to take more advantageous opportunities such as use of weapons. They prefer to end fights as quick as possible. Hand to hand are for more self-defense/desperate situations where you can't get your hand on something. Kali is a great martial art, I'm a fan of it.
I'm partial to Pencak Silat (merpati putih). Kali is a very powerful art and is by no lesser than Persilat. They are just different paths to the one truth.
Indonesia and Philippines should be friends. just imagine if we become progressive (though im sure westeners would do everything for that not to happen, hence the term neo-colonialism) and become 1st world countries. with this arts there would be chaos. for sure.
Kali adalah beladiri orang Melayu.. Beladiri tempur para hulubalang Melayu.. Yang awalnya orang-orang Melayu menyebutnya dengan sebutan kelai atau kelahi kemudian di kenali dengan sebutan kali.. Sundang adalah senjata para hulubalang Melayu, Melayu sumatera, Melayu Riau, Melayu Kalimantan, Melayu Malaysia, Melayu Berunai, Melayu Philipina, Dan Melayu Thailand Selatan..
the main deference is silat has alot of ground base fighting in kali we avoid the ground as much as posible coz you dont know who will hit you from behind better to stand up fast
And Kali fighters prefer to fight dirty and take advantage of the situation. Kali guys will find whatever they can get their hand on and fight you with it. Doesn't matter what it is, pencil, ballpen, pipes, brick, rock, stick, umbrellas etc. they'll use it.
Silat pertama ditemukan di sumatera ' dan berkembang keseluruh nusantara. Mencapai bentuk yg sempurna pada jaman majapahit . yg disebut beladiri sundang majapahit dengan senjata pedang dan keris. Kali eskrima .berasal dari pilipina,tp dasarnya dari silat majapahit,yg dibawa para prajuritnya , Di indonesia sendiri silat yg mirip dgn kali ada didaerah sulawesi' bugis.
Vladimir Kerzhakov silat dimulai di jaman sriwijaya. Berkembang dijaman majapahit. Cari di google Mahesa anabrang. Atau.. Adityawarman.. Panglima dr majapahit.. yg jd raja. Di sumatera.
@orangensem Sure. I 've already watched them. The movement is nice, artistic, and fast enough. Your wish is my wish as well. I hope relationship between two countries will be better.
I’ve got a question right now lol, I’m writing it in this comment cuz it’s at the top. I’m dumb, I’m not sure who represents kali and who is using Silat, could somebody tell me if kali was black or red?
@SUBLIMEDUDESTP They are both in red. One is Silat the other is Escrima. The one in the sleeveless vest is Escrima, the other guy is Silat. They are both showing their respected arts. The Silat guy does not, at anytime do an Escrima move, nor does the Escrima guy do a Silat move. (Kinda confused by your comment)
i am indonesian, imho pencak silat soul is good attitude and good deed, it is not important if someone can defeat anybody if he or she doesn't have good attitude or good deed......let us not forget the soul of pencak silat.....peace to all....
bersilat tanpa bismillah, tanpa dinding ayat kursi hanya olahraga semata mata. dan ilmu persilatan ini sebenar nya untuk pertahanan diri...diri sendiri... kita semua melayu nusantara baik di singapura, malaysia ataupun indonesia...patut menurunkan ilmu seni silat pada anak anak sebelum mereka jadi lemah dan digelar hanya pendekar 'keyboard'
study the moves of the red demonstrator (stands for KALI) those are very practical as compared to the movents of the black demonstrator (stands for Silat) sort of flowery moves (evidenced by scene at 3:03 ).
Some IGNORANT people can say “it’s not effective in real life combat, etc”. But in reality, especially Kali, these same exact moves defeated the Spaniards when all the Filipinos had were Bolo’s (knives) and bamboo sticks and the Spaniards had rifles and swords.
Lakhnat Allah bagi mereka yg memecah belahkan jiwa bangsa nusantara.. Indonesia dan malaysia itu hanya negara dan daerah.. Sedangkan ia nya satu jantung yg bernafas.. Ia nusantara berbagai budaya..Allah ciptakan kita dari pelbagai bagai kaum.. Sedang ia umat yg satu..
@Shaharom Gak ada yang mecah belah adu domba atau apalah itu semuanya gak ada. Memang malaysia itu duluan yang dari dulu selalu berulah. Jangan Lupa Peristiwa Orang2 malaysia menyerang kedutaan besar Republik Indonesia, membakar sang saka Merah Putih, dan mereka juga menginjak Lambang Garuda Pancasila. Orang2 malaysia itu juga sering membunuh TKI. Bahkan pelaku pembunuh TKI itu dibebaskan oleh malaysia. Anda Jangan Menutup Mata!!!
First of all, arnis is arnis. Its origins is in the philippines, nowhere else. That it is the truest form of Filipino martial arts. This art has been preserved in the hearts and spirit if Filipino masters. Thanks. Mabuhay ang sining marsyal pilipino.
@subaerofreeman Historians are right about that. It's from (the lands what is now called as) Indonesia. Indonesians brought silat to Semenanjung ages ago. Pencak Silat is part of Indonesian culture that spread through diaspora of it's people.
Silat always originally from Malay's ancient martial arts. In Malaysia, a few silat was discover such name as Gayong Makhrifat, Gayong Patani, Cekak/Cekak Hanafi, Lincah, Sendeng, Helang Putih, Lok 9 and many more. Silat is close-counter martial art. As we can see how Bruce Lee was defeated by someone from Indonesia man. Bruce Lee was the fastest man on earth, but why he lose someone Silat's learner. When we study and learn more about Silat, we will know how dangerous this martial art. Greeting from Malaysia.
Greeting from Malaysia? Malaysia? sure????? I think Silat from Indonesia. Malaysia always claim something from other countries in other words steal from other countries. fuck malaysia
Paw !! Are u sure Silat from Indonesia?? u really didn't know the founder of Silat Gayung was from Malaysia. He was Dato' Meor Abd Rahman. Sadly, colonial age cause our land separate by British and Holland. British was control whole Malay land, and Holland control around land of Betawi. They succeed separate us, try dizzying us from real facts and prove that we are actually 'serumpun'. That's why confrontation between malaysia & indonesia people continue until now.
Lian padukan is an offensive style of silat Melayu that specialises in close-range striking. It is one of the biggest silat schools in Malaysia and also the most well-known variant of the Hui fighting method known as lian or buah pukul. Because of their shared Yunnan origin, lian padukan is very similar to Chinese Wing Chun.
i am a Filipino.yes Silat from IndonMalay...Eskrima from Luzon Philippines.Kuntao from Mindanao.Kungfu from China.Aikido,Judo from Japan.What is from America?oh yes UFC..
this is martial arts for competition and it was nerfed for safety , the real martial arts (silat/kali in this vid) is for killing , to immobilized and open wound the target ,uses Blades or weapon the remove ligature, muscle and disconnect arteries .real use of martial arts are the street fight , not in the competition.
hai buddy, every martial art created for self defense deadly or not depend on personal. silat and kali acctually isn't sport but it is way to kill, and it had used to kill invander several hundred years ago.
mma is sucks! they just cuddling fight like animal mating...martial arts have many different point. either u want to finish it fast or just want to play around.
Dude I've trained in both and I can tell you when it comes down to it; Both are equally badass, I'd recommend both arts to anybody who wants to know how to defend themselves.
Itu alirannya dr setia hati P. Turpijn yg sprtny dikembangkan lg lebih keras di eropa, klau di Indonesia sndiri negeri aslinya mmang sy akui tdk sekeras itu
from the word alone there is already "majapahit", yes, majapahit is a kingdom that exists in Indonesia, the name of his art "kalimajapahit" martial arts originated from Indonesia ... but it was extinct at that time ... and incidentally the majapahit soldiers brought martial arts this is to the Philippines ... so it was recognized by the Philippines, and once again actually this martial art from Majapahit (now Indonesia)
@Iin Solihin FYI kali is from philippines and Kali famous movie scenes in the world. And You do not claim the kali not to be your's. Even malaysia would also like to claim the kali. You dumbass. shame on you Lmao.
@@iinsolihin9260 hey kali is made frome philiphines not indonesia right not from indo philipines made kali your wrong bro kali is made to kill to protect philipines n you wrong
notice the 2 guys in red, the tall guy is Ropers the silat guru, very fast and lethal. the short guy is the kali guru. they share the same stage for demo but they never test each other. and they perform demo with their respective students. in this video there is no such thing as silat vs. kali fighting.
for all of you, `Kali` is a new term, it invented by Inosanto. the old terms in FMA are eskrima, arnis, dumog and even..SILAT. Inosanto system is actually blend system that consists heavy silat influence.
Keren, pencak silat made Indonesia bukan negara lain. negara lain termasuk negara tetangga taunya silat dari guru-guru silat Indonesia yang telah menyebar namun asal muasal silat itu dari Indonesia. panjang sejarah kalau di ulaskan, namun pastinya salah satu unsur budaya indonesia yang di kembangkan dan telah benyebar. Di negara-negara barat pencak silat taunya silat salah satu bela diri yang termasuk seni dalam masyarakat lokal indonesia. kalau ada negara-negara tetangga termasuk Malaysia, harus tau dulu sejarah asal muasal pencak silat jangan asal klaim perlu anda-anda tanya langsung pada guru anda.
silat dri kepulauan melayu..bkn indonesia saja..termasuk brunei filipine selatan thailand...d malaysia juga byk perguruan..d selatan thai juga berlainan dgn silat indonesia...jadi jgn mudah klaim bahawa silat itu semua asl indonesia..kerna ianya milik nusantara...salam damai
+Adnan Jusoh cari sejarah dulu deh, silat itu asalnya dari mana. namanya pencak silat itu dari Indonesia, silat-silat yang ada di malaysia dan negara-negara lain itu melalui guru-guru silat Indonesia. emank sih silat dari melayu namun tidak semuanya juga karena silat ada yang berasal dari kalimat dan Sulawesi. coba cari sejarah dulu dari sumbernya langsung di perguruan silat di Indonesia, malaysia dan negara-negara lain.
+Adnan Jusoh negara nusantara negara kepulauan atau negara penuh rempah-rempah yaitu negara Indonesia dari sabang sampai Merauke-papua dan tidak termasuk negara tetangga. Perlu di tegaskan kembali saja.
malaysia sebelumya juga bagiann dari tanah indonesia cuman tidak mau merdeka bersama sama dan memilih memecah diri untuk menjadi negara boneka...itu yang setau aku.... jadi pencak silat ya dari malaysia n juga dari indonesia cz indonesia and malaysia is majapahit kingdom
zaman dulu mana ada wujud indonesia dan malaysia... indonesia x pernah jajah tanah melayu la belaja sejarah la brader show the prove.. yg saya tau melaka yang pernah jajah banyak daerah di kepulauan di nusantara.... seperti johor-riau-lingga-pahang
Ummm... no. The fight choreographer and stunt choreographer's name is Olivier Schneider. He incorporated Kali. That can be settled by doing a quick google search or use IMDB to find those details. Scheider trained under Jeff Imada who's one of Dan Inosanto's boys. Imada choreographed the fight scenes for the Bourne movie series.
SELAMA INI BANGSA MALAYSIA DAN INDONESIA SELALU DIADU DOMBA OLEH ORANG2 KAFIR KARENA MEREKA SANGAT MEMBENCI JIKA BANGSA MALAYSIA DAN INDONESIA YG BERSAUDARA DALAM ISLAM DAN SATU RUMPUN INI BERSATU. WASPADALAH SAUDARA2 MUSLIM MALAYSIA INDONESIA DENGAN KELICIKAN ORANG2 KAFIR YG SELAMA INI MENGHASUT UNTUK MENUMBUHKAN BENIH PERMUSUHAN ANTARA NEGERI BERSAUDARA INI
Depends on what you take from it (as with most arts). IME, FMA teaches you options. Which ones you choose to pursue depend on the situation, your own morality, and local laws.
the karate top in red color is Silat. the true form of silat is similar to Taichi that uses back the energy of the attacker. if you come and practice in Indonesia and malaysia you will see that it's more to defensive than attack. Silat also has locks like Jiujitsu and fast movements like takewando this depends on the type of silat you're training. but all have similar movement such as rotation of arms and rist to deflect and grip and also locks
both kali and silat are characterized by fast and efficient attacks and defense that is meant to disable (or kill) your opponents as fast as possible to allow you to escape. both arts are even more lethal once you equip the fighter with a knife or fighting stick.
I agree with the comment about full contact experience, there is no substitute. But most people can't afford to take time of work with injuries from training.The video is a demo for an audience, nothing more. Full contact in an art like Kali where they do a lot of close quarter knife fighting can be kinda lethal, if you or your partner does not really know what they are doing with their weapon. So maybe there are occasions where less of the full contact intensity is smarter.
Kali (the ancient Filipino martial arts of stick fighting) so before the diecovery of iron- then steel - the ancients had the natural resources within them as eapons from tribal feuds (rattan, species of bamboos and other flexible wood)
If you guys would've just check the website of the Martial Academy of this video, it shows what martial arts technique they teach and you wouldn't have to keep arguing what martial arts they're using. BTW, Silat is also praticed and taught in the Philippines, but the origin of Silat is Indonesia. Anyway, this is what this academy teaches. Kali-Eskrima Jeet Kune Do concept Grappling( Jiu Jitsu, Chin Na, Dumog, Shoot Wrestling ). Karate Justsu et Ju Jutsu Self défense tactique
@subaerofreeman Yes they still do. Pencak Silat is from-the-very-beginning a very practical MA. It's first and foremost a combat art and the only rule in Silat; kill the opponent before they kill You. However, what You see now in tournaments is "Silat Sport". PERSILAT (International Pencak Silat Federation) has taking everything deadly (attacks & locks) from Pencak Silat to create a new form called Silat Sport, setting the rules for it to be able to compete in Olympic games.
The origin of eskrima can be traced back to the fighting systems used by Filipinos during inter-tribal warfare. Settlers and traders travelling through the Malay Archipelago brought the influence of silat as well as Chinese and Indian martial arts. for an example, silat lian padukan actually was brought to malay peninsula by muslim chinese.
This red person acting is silat, the black Kali. Both made from Philippines. There is many types of silat. Kali is a part of silat....some call silat with weapon. Other type of silat can be find in Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.
I am not a expert about this topic but both arts are related to each other. Silat and Kali/Eskrima were exchanged during the many tribe wars and immigration or trading after the colonization they got more in their own ways. In the end this martial art is not about harming others its about like all martial art to master your self...go on when you feel week... procede where fear to be overwhelmed... mastering your self and you master every enemy
@zulfikarl just to let you know, silat is a south east asian martial art. it is not just indeginous to indonesia and other south east asian countries. majority of the filipino martial arts came from indonesia and other countries. how? because many people from other regions travled to what is now the philippines. for ex: indonesians traveled to luzon and visayan. chinese and taiwanese traveled to luzon and some polynesians traveled to other parts of the island ect.
hmeliza, the moro's blade art is called silatan, it is a sub blade art from silat,evolved in the phils. their blade arts have origins from silat but has evolved due to political and violent episodes., depending on the island it is called diff things and each own has their own distinct style or flavor. even kali/arnis/eskrima have diff styles itself. yes@kuntaw silat, there are diff. silat styles depending on tribe and area. i know kuntaw silat in a shallow level but never have practiced it.
@MastaJ156 I agree, it doesn't matter what martial art is practiced, any practical use comes from practice full contact applications. Absolute requirement.
Which art is better does not matter so much. It more often than not, comes down to athletics, who is faster, who's stronger, who is better trained, intelligence, determination. People are too infatuated with comparing systems rather than just train, develop stamina, speed, and power.
for escrima/arnis, both of these MA is actually derived from kali when the spaniards ban the blade possesion among pinoy tribes. like i said before, silat is just general term that created on the islamization period of malayan. the MA itself has exist long before islam reach the nusantara, long time ago we used call this MA as `Kanuragan`
WOW!!! I have never seen a demonstration of kali or silat before. These guys are amazingly fast. I think adding this to my several years of Karate and Pankration will be awesome. Anyone know of any dojos that teach silat,kali or arnis? also what is the difference between them?
+Asoka Mano kali and arnis is a filipino martial arts and silat si i dont know from where i originated... of your really that interested you can vicit the philippines and 8th dan masters from arnis and silat will train you...
let me fix it up... silat is not originally from indonesia but alam nusantara. nusantara is combination of mlysia, indonesia, thai, brunei, philippines, singapore. if im not mistaken.
I met a Filipino Silat master from the Island of Sulu. In Mindanao there are Silat practicioners. This is because maybe Mindanao is closer to Indonesia.
After searching in the net for a while, I found some differences. And the way I understood is that Kali is kind of mixed up art. Some Silat, some Karate, some Wushu and so on. What about the Silat? It is unalloyed. Am I right?
@all the malay peninsula is originally empty space, people(malays) that now exist in malaysia was coming to the region from various places of indonesia. the first wave was in 11 Cent AD, via diaspora of Srivijaya, the second wave was in the 60`s, and the third wave is in the present day via indonesian labours that work out in the malaysian industries and farmings.
@krisnaabahungu quick correction, Srivijayan didnt fall because of the cholan-india attack, its weaken.after this period there is another attack from neighboring kingdom (I forgot the name, sorry) and when the srivijayan even more weaken, raden wijaya the founder of majapahit took this advantage and launced an attack that end the life of Srivijayan empire.
Yes a gun is also a practical investment for ones self defense or self protection, that I agree on, but a gun is something that I would usually consider using for my home defense, as I can not carry it everywhere I go. but knowledge on how to defend myself and awareness about my surroundings... that I can carry anywhere I go.
pencak and silat are seen as being two aspects of the same practice. Pencak is the performance aspects of the martial art, while silat is the essence of the fighting and self-defense. It is often said by practitioners that there can be no silat without pencak, on the other hand pencak without silat skills is purposeless.[2]
@FarHunt100 Good point. Of course brother, is like saying Picasso is better than Cezanne or Rembrandt is better than Caravaggio. The two styles are awesome and very lethal. I prefer Kali but i think Silat is more complete. In México i can practice the both styles at once in a system called "Defensor Method". Regards.
they are both techniques from ancient Sri Vijayan empire which distributed in the Philippines and Indonesia to protect them from invading neighboring empire.
Pencak Silat adalah Ilmu Bela diri dari tanah Asia khususnya Indonesia dan Malaysia. Ilmu Pencak Silat hanya merupakan ilmu melumpuhkan lawan dan mengunci bagian tubuh lawan sehingga tidak bisa bergerak atau lemah. Zaman dahulu ilmu pencak silat juga disandingkan dengan tenaga dalam.
I believe(could be wrong)that Eskrima, Kali, and Arnis are all fairly similar, but they do have a few slight stylistic differences and were made popular by different people. I'm not sure of the exact origins of them all, but they all focus heavily on weapons.
