I've gotten several comments on it, so I'd like to clarify something about the neutral attack. The basic Karate Punch counts as a single hitting move, so it can't be executed rapidly; it has a noticeable end lag as Joe retracts his hand, like Ganondorf's neutral attack. This means executing the powerful "beat combos" cannot be done very quickly; you have to time them well, and adjust by using F Tilt, U Tilt, and D Tilt accordingly. In the heat of battle, this is tricky to pull off, but there's a high reward because you might land a powerful strike without charging if your timing is good. I didn't explain this in the video because the script was getting VERY long and I trimmed it down.
The Chromium Kid maybe. Although I think it should take about half as long as a Falcon Punch, since that move is super hard to land, at least in 1v1s. And the rhythm mechanic should be a core part of Karate Joe’s moveset, so it should be relatively easy to use but require practice to master.
down taunt should have the news girl appear and say "wubababa dubbadubba is that true?" and Joe turn into ringside wrestler and deliver the famous line........."eh'
This moveset is awesome! Even as someone not terribly familiar with Rhythm Heaven, I feel like him morphing into a ton of different characters to perform colorful, wonky attacks in quick and seemingly random succession represents the series really well. As for him being 2D, I think that'd work well for him, I'm just not sure how they'd do it; Mr. Game & Watch uses a 3D model and is flattened on one axis. Based on that, I feel like if Karate Joe appeared 2D, he would be a 3D model flattened on an axis, but cel-shaded to give him that trademark outline. I feel like if they had the want to add a Rhythm Heaven character, they'd find a way to make it work
Mmmmm, I don't know. This seems more of a Rhythm Heaven character than it does Karate Joe. While I do like the idea of referencing other games, I don't think that morphing really fits the character. There isn't a huge reason to turn into a different character every time. Imagine how it would look in gameplay, with a 2D transforming into a completely new sprite after every single attack, appearing as an amalgamation of rapidly morphing character. What about hitboxes? Would they vibrate between every move? Using the Lockstep pose as an airdodge for one would be awesome. Referencing other characters was never a bad thing. The thing is, Karate Joe doesn't just transform in his games. He isn't copy and pastable like G&W is. I feel like the creator is taking TOO much inspiration from G&W for me to agree with it. Not even G&W morphs into so many different body types, but at least they are the same color every time.
@@utopes Well, what if he simply mimicked the actions or used the weapons of those characters instead? Or actually summoned fellow RH characters so they can attack?
I like the moveset, although I’m admittedly not a huge fan of ALL the transformations. I think Joe could still transform for some of the more non-humanoid moves, like Monkey Watch and Blue Bird, but for a lot of the moves, like Figure Fighter and Tap Trial, I don’t see why Joe couldn’t just stay as himself to preform them. I know it’s for the reference, but I don’t know if all of them need to be particularly overt. Maybe just the motion on it’s own could get the idea across? I think transforming works better for Mr. Game and Watch because the characters he’s transforming into look more or less like him already; like, it’s him but with a hat and an actual face. A good amount of Joe’s are different characters, and he’s transforming into them to do something I feel like he could do on his own. I think Joe could still use some transforming, but I’m not sure if he needs to do it as much as he does.
i totally agree. it kinda seems like the pokemon master from brawl. although the character was what it said, ash didnt really fight, his 3 pokemon did.
I'm only half agreeing with the use of transformations. Sort of like how Lucas uses Duster's rope snake, Pac-Man using trampolines from Mappy, maybe Karate Joe can expand his repertoire of attacks and moves by borrowing weapons/items from other minigames. It's sort of similar to Game and Watch as well but since G&W is an amalgamation of a character it makes more sense for him to retain abilities throughout his franchise more smoothly and naturally compared to others like Lucas or Pac-Man who straight up rip abilities from other characters. But I digress. I would much rather see Karate Man as his own but I wouldn't be completely against mid-transformations either. What's really important to me is if we'll ever see RH representation with a character to begin with.
the wandering samurai is in the Ds, as an endless game. And the iconic MONKE is in each, for example, Tap trial, showtime, fan club, hole in one, tambourine, monkey watch, jungle gymnast, etc
Karate Joe has a sense of rhythm! Entrance -Airboarders Neutral Attack - Punch Dash Attack - Samurai Slice Side Tilt - Kick Up Tilt - Uppercut Down Tilt - Low Punch Normal smashes Side Smash - Freeze Frame Joe morphs into J.J Snapper and takes a picture of his opponent. Suddenly, immediately after he takes the picture, a race car zooms right past him and hits the opponent. Up Smash - Blue Birds Joe morphs into one of the Blue Birds, pecks the ground, holds it for a moment, and at the right time, he stretches out his blue bird neck, making an upward arch with his beak. Down Smash - Crop Stomp Joe morphs into the Stomp Farmer and stomps the ground with extreme force in front of the opponent, causing an explosive quake. Air attacks Neutral Air - Splashdown Joe spawns a dolphin out of a hole in the ground and gets on its back. The dolphin does a flip, smacking the opponent with its tail. Forward Air - Space Soccer Joe morphs into a Space Kicker standing on a flying platform, kicks his knee up, then strikes the opponent forward with his heel. Back Air - DJ School Joe morphs into DJ Yellow, holds out his hands for a second, then throws them in the opposite direction like he does with his "Scratch-O! Hey!" move. Up Air - The Dazzles Joe morphs into one of the Dazzles, squats in mid air, then double-jumps upwards, letting out a burst of glitter and light, stunning the opponent by blinding them. Down Air - Fillbots Joe jumps up, then throws an empty large-sized robot beneath him. He then spawns the liquid dispenser from his hands that fills the robots with red, blue, or purple liquid. Grips Grab and Pummel- Munchy Monk Joe morphs into Munchy Monk, then grabs the opponent, spreading one arm out in front, then catching them with the other. Then, with the opponent in one hand, he smacks them back and forth across the face with his other. Forward Throw - Frog Hop Joe morphs into one of the Frogettes, grabs the opponent, does the "Spin it, boys!" move, then lets them go, throwing them right in front of him. Back Throw - Rhythm Rally Up Throw - Love Lab Down Throw - Rockers Neutral Special - Hit 3! Up Special - Built to Scale Down Special - Glee Club Side Special - Freeze Frame Final Smash - Remix 10 Side Taunt - Love Lizards Up Taunt - Fan Club Down Taunt - Moai Doo-Wop Victory Screen - Superb
I really have started liking the idea of Karate Joe being one of the fighters added to Smash, since the character and series of Rhythm Heaven have become a series that had a lot of representation in Smash without any included fighters. Though, two small issues I have with the moveset are specifically how, in my eyes, Karate Joe morphing into other characters feels kind of weird, since Game and Watch was a Smash creation in his current form, more or less, as all the Game and Watch games featured different "characters" for each game. But I definitely agree with the sentiment that all Karate Joe's moves should be referencing other mini-games from the series. And also, for shame, PizzaDudeManGuy. No taunt where Karate Joe is watching the TV laying on his side. I mean, it could even be a victory screen instead, where Karate Joe is watching his own victory on the TV and in the TV, Karate Joe is laying down watching his own victory, and so on. Recursive victory animation!
Imo I think instead of morphing into the characters, Joe could pose or move like them, or maybe some characters could appear for some of the moves you mentioned Anyways I love how you just entirely made not only the full moveset, but the taunts and stages and more!!! I've been wanting RH rep on Smash for a good time now,, Good job on this video dude¡
As a big fan of the series I was thinking some what the same was you would But rather instead of him morphing he would spawn the literal appearance of said character For example: His down smash could be the same as bayo down smash / paluataina up smash where the tap trope foot taps in the opponent But most I agree with tho for the final smash I think it’ll be funnier if they are near they get put in the barrel and the barrel explodes or something I just want to see someone in preferably joe over chorus kids but none the lesser
Can you make a moveset for Paper Mario? Anyways, amazing video! This video really sold me on the potential of Karate Joe and the other Rhythm Heaven characters!
Wow, now I'm actually quite on board with Karate Joe as the Rhythm Heaven rep! I've always been pro-Chorus Kids personally, but this moveset really makes him work! Until you mentioned the morphing mechanic, I never even realised that literally the Remixes switch between rhythm games on a whim, so the morphing actually works! I had a similar rhythm concept for my ideas on Chorus Kids. They would have normal attacks that involve the three of them each doing a hit, and based on your timing from the first two hits, if you input the third hit after the same time interval as you did from the first to second, you could get bonus damage. And if you mess the third input up, you get decreased damage. The only thing is the game would have to keep track of the time interval every time you do those inputs. I also think there would be some frames of lenience (i.e. the inputs don't have to be frame-perfect).
there are 2 major things that jump out at me about his tilts and jab. 1) the precise beat should be set. It would be broken if you could just pick up a controller and press the a button 3 times quickly and get a free fully charged smash attack that has essentially no startup (because it's, well, a jab and would probably combo into itself if you were quick). you should have to press the button 3 times at a set tempo to prevent this, and I feel like a fully charged smash attack is a bit extreme, considering it's not that hard as humans to feel a beat. cool concept though, i like it 2)the "grr" should appear over his head after missing the third hit, leaving him open to attacks if he mucks up the timing, granting the opponent a free punish.
I could actually see the side special being like piranha plant where you charge it up but that's really the only thing I could even imagine differently, I love this
I think Marshall or the Barista should be the one who transforms into the other characters. Have them ride on Karate Joe's shoulders, acting as his teacher.
FINALLY! someone else that is thinking about putting heaven rhythm fever characters in fighting games! i'm so happy to see i'm not the only one who thought that :)
Bro we need a Rhythm Heaven switch game, Great move set but I would've made the final smash "Go for a perfect" in which most of the Rhythm Heaven characters come together for one awesome mini game.
This is a very creative outline for what Karate Joe could possibly play like. While he's not my particular choice (my choice is Tibby), it would make a lot of sense for him to be chosen. Unfortunately, Rhythm Heaven really does fly under the radar compared to other of Nintendo's IPs, so the chance of an RH character making it in is veeeery slim (not to mention Joe is a Spirit). Then again, look at Fire Emblem. Before Melee, I think hardly any of us knew who Marth and Roy were, but now Fire Emblem is one the most popular JRPG franchises in the West. I won't say it's entirely due to Melee, but I think it definitely played a huge part. I think RH would really rise in recognition if it has some Smash rep though, not to mention I'd love to hear Smash's music team give their own take on Rhythm Heaven's music, with them using real instruments and not midi software.
I used to be a Chorus Kids supporter, as in wanting the Chorus Kids in smash more than Karate Joe, but seeing this made me want Karate Joe even more than Chorus Kids. Great job on the moveset, bro! 👍👍👍
Honestly, whenever I pictured Karate Joe in Smash I always had a hard time trying to see how he’d play besides punching and kicking. But I’d say that you definitely nailed it right on the head! It definitely makes me hope to see him in Smash some day even more now.
You missed out on making the final smash putting the opponent in a rhythm heaven game and karate joe gets to play the game to see how much damage he does.
The moveset is cool but I think a really small but cool change would be if you had to time the up special, more height the better the timing, you dont go up immediately, but when you land on the boost panel is when you'd press it
I like this moveset, but I'm not a huge fan of side-B. The rest of the moveset sounds really fun, but side-B sounds like just another shield. Here's what I'd put for side-B: The chorus kids appear stacked on each other just like in your idea, but instead of making a forcefield all around themselves by singing one note, they'd each start singing notes individually which would create a sound field directly in front of them around the size of Lucas's PSI magnet. Opponents would get caught in this sound field and would be dealt damage each time the user presses the B button. However, to keep the attack going, the user has to press B twice at first, then again with the same rhythm as the first two, much like his combo hits. The difference is that instead of just going for 3 hits, this would continue for as long as the user could keep the combo going for, with the only escape for the opponent being if the user misses the window or DI-ing it after a lot of hits depending on where in the hitbox the opponent is. Also, if the move is held for a long time, the window to continue it would gradually get smaller and smaller, starting with more of a window than the neutral combos give so that it could be easier to get going, but quickly escalating after a certain threshold until it reaches the point where you'd need the timing of a god to keep it steady. It would also have a maximum amount of uses at around 20-30, but it'd be practically impossible to get there thanks to likely enemy DI and the timing. Once the move ends in any way, it would have a slightly large endlag proportional to how long it was kept up for before the Chorus Kids transform back into Joe. I think the fact that it wouldn't be as precise at first as the neutral combos would be nice to help some less experienced players get in on the rhythm fighter fun, but its combo potential would still allow more seasoned Karate Joe mains to get a massive payload out of the move if they can connect it. idk just an idea
@@Sleepy_Cabbage Please, Minecraft isn't even considered "cringy" by most people nowadays because it's basically become a meme and Fortnite has all the cringy children and overreacting man-children nowadays.
This is a good moveset idea. I always imagined that Karate Joe's gimmick would be timing his attacks to the rhythm of the background music to deal more damage and knockback. His idle animation could bob up and down to the rhythm of the music, like in his minigames, to give the player an idea of when to time his attacks.
Thank god someone thinks the same way I do about a rhythm heaven character being like game and watch. However, I would honestly prefer something like the monkeys, as they pretty much appear in some form in every game in some way, and are pretty iconic. It would be so funny if we had this little monkey morphing into these different characters. But this moveset is very good
This moveset really is good its competitive ITS FUN it sticks to its game! Rythmetic purposed attacks,adding charachters from the game,afterall karate joe doesnt make rythem heaven itself instead a cast! Well done ;) the thing i would disagree with is his neutral b is kinda strong
One thing I think is cool about the morphing concept is that it can kinda be considered a reference to the Rhythm Heaven GBA minigame, Toran to Porin which features characters transforming between foxes and children with a puff of smoke when it happens.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="618">10:18</a> loud sound warning geez also if i had to give karate joe an echo fighter it would absolutely be karate senior (he doesn't really have a name though), he would have slower but stronger attacks
I actually made a move set for Karate Joe a while back so I'd like to compare. Gimmick - Rhythm Joe's model will always bop in time to the music playing on the stage. When attacks are performed in time with this beat, they will be stronger and/or have different effects. Neutral Special - Karate Man Pressing the button spawns a flower pot flying towards Joe, and pressing it again makes him punch it forward (if you get the rhythm right). It travels fast and far but with a lot of damage falloff. Getting hit with the punch deals the most damage and knockback. Side Special - Jungle Gymnast Joe swings on an elephant trunk and when you press the button determines how far you leap when you let go. Good horizontal recovery. Does not put Joe in freefall. Up Special - Launch Party A block spawns under Joe counting down from 5. The closer to 0 you press after, the higher you go. No input will result in very little vertical distance. Has a hitbox and puts Joe in freefall. Down Special - Big Rock Finish 4 guitar strums(?) that follow the same rhythm in Big Rock Finish and create 4 hitboxes around him. First three all have increasing knockback, the final one stuns the opponent allowing for a follow up attack. Leaves Joe vulnerable if he misses. Jab - The same rhythm applied to Figure Fighter, and his rapid jab is his flurry from Karate Man Combos. Up Tilt - Upwards stab with Fork Down Tilt - Stomp from Crop Stomp. Comes out a bit slow but has good damage and buries at the sweet spot. Side Tilt - Pose from Space Dance Grab - Chameleon from Tongue Lashing is brought out and lashes forward. Works as a tether grab but cannot grab the ledge. Forward Smash - Flurry of strikes from a samurai sword in a similar fashion to Samurai Slice. Works similar to Cloud's F-Smash Up Smash - Joe claps above his head much like the monkeys in The Clappy Trio. Has a very specific sweet spot in the middle of the clap. Down Smash - Brings out a See Saw. If players are on the grounded end when he jumps on it, they'll be sent flying upwards. If on the other end, they will be launched regularly. Final Smash - Shoot-'Em-Up Joe leaps forwards and hits anyone in his way. Anyone caught in the attack will have their stock icon in place of the aliens in Shoot-'Em-Up. No rhythmic input is required, it's all cinematic. Taunts -Joe looks at his arm then turns his head to the screen and flexes, referencing Ringside -Joe hold an open book above his head like in Cheer Readers. Pages reference a variety of Rhythm Games in the series -Joe lays down and watches TV. Long taunt like Bayo's or Snake's but can be cancelled at any time.
I really like the moveset and it makes a lot of sense. I think that it would also be cool to be able to do a Jab Jab Neutral Special combo as well to fit with everything, allowing the enemy stuck in the jab to become a projectile as well. Also perhaps a wolf neutral special style thing with the initial kick having a hitbox of it's own. Of course, those are just some of my opinions. I really like your ideas on this and I would really love to see a Beat (From Jet Set Radio) for smash. Both because the songs in that game are amazing and would fit really well into smash and also Jet Set Radio has been very underappreciated by Sega in general.
Looks like that's one wanted character down for this series! I'd love to see Dark Matter appear in the future, if possible. Sure, he isn't voted as the most wanted, but he's the one true villain for the Kirby series I can see being playable.
I think side-b could be punch-kick (except the bomb launches forward, only dealing major damage when hitting the ground, not the player) and up be could be the combo, except the finishing punch launches him up, about the hight of inceneroar's recovery.
As someone who also wants to see Karate Joe in Smash, I couldn't have made a better moveset if I tried. Incorporating the rhythm aspect is definitely key, and for a while, I was thinking that it would work similar to Marth's Dancing Blade. The setup you suggested sounds far better. As for suggestions for a future episode, the character I want to see in Smash the most is currently Shovel Knight. As much of a Waluigi fan as I am, I was even more disappointed that Shovel Knight didn't make the roster. He's definitely got quite the potential, what with his shovel being able to reflect projectiles, not to mention the relics.
I think that insted of a super string kick (the side tilt) he deals a normal powered kick but also kicks a bomb that deales extra knockback and damedge
This is perfect! I really really want a rhythm heaven rep in smash. I don’t have as much hope with dlc as I did with the base roster but I still believe...a little.
Woah!! You're very creative and you know what can do it! I really like your job on this serie. I'm subscribing for sure! And speaking of Isaac, can you do an episode about him? Some of my friends want characters like Banjo Kazooie, Shadow, Geno, Paper Mario (this one you'll certainly do it), Toon Zelda/Tetra... Ya know, the classics.
I personally would make the side smash the raven from Manzai Birds, who would charge up his attack before delivering a "Donaiyanen!", similar to how Phoenix Wright can make a "HOLD IT!" or "OBJECTION!" Air box out of thin air in MvC3.
