It's there a particular person this saying is attributed to JJ? I do my best to ignore certain realities, some that regard me directly, others which don't, maybe that's the cause of my sense of being followed and persecuted!? 🤔😬🤷🏽♀️😉
The teachers' union is part of the problem ,they, like most if not all of the bureaucracies, lost all courage, commonsense, and any understanding of who they are supposed to be working for .
As a gay man who was very feminine growing up, I think if it was today and not 1980 they would put me on hormones, if someone had asked me if I felt like a girl i probably would have said yes. I got to puberty and things changed, still gay, but I became more masculine and definitely was and is a man. I think it is insane that children are told to question their gender based on unscientific babble from so called health professionals and trans activists. Sadly the gay movement that I was a part of before all of this trans thing has now been completely taken over by the trans mafia, gay, lesbians and bi people are being slaughtered to push this agenda……and it’s dragging us all down in the mud. I’m glad LGB alliance exists…gender theory and being gay, lesbian or bi has nothing to do with trans no matter what anyone is saying, it’s completely separate!
@@selwynr A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for?
As I have understand it - follow the money. This "trans mafia" is not an organic movement of "trans people" but an orchestrated one with many many so called "useful idiots" doing their work, thinking they are doing something good. But - just follow the money - great powers have been invested into this.
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” George R.R. Martin ........
Tell me, do you believe that the rest of the staff in Universities are merely going along with trans "ideology" in order just to keep their jobs? And what is it that you think makes this group of people so powerful?
Dr Stock's view that this is a minority, and one which could be ignored if the majority spoke out is undoubtely true. However, as can be seen in many examples, there may be a severe risk to ones academic career in speaking out. Last month, Riley Gaines was physically attached at San Fransicsco State University when trying to speak about trans women in womens sports. After the attack, Jamillah Moore, vice president for Student Affairs & Enrollment Management at SFSU said that the students protesting against Gaines: “.... took tremendous bravery to stand in a challenging space, I am proud of the moments where we listened and asked insightful questions.” When the support for these vocal - and sometimes violent minorites - is entrenched in senior, powerful positions in universities it is small wonder most students decide to keep their heads down.
I saw an interview with Elon Musk. The interviewer asked him why he says and does the things he does when it's going to hurt him financially. He said the last thing he would do is compromise himself for power or money. Musk openly admits he voted for Biden. But when he saw the corruption that occurred during the elections at Twitter he did what any person should have done and outed it. Even though the election went the way he wanted it to. And he's not afraid of the consequences. I personally fear for the safety of these outspoken people. You mention Gaines getting attacked. That's nothing compared to what some of the very powerful "connected" people will do to shut up someone who threatens them. We've seen it happen in other places in the world. Where "political dissonants" disappear or go to jail. When I was growing up (I'm 66 now) I never thought anything like that could happen in America. Maybe I was too naive, because I do remember Bobby Kennedy.
@@hansemannluchter643 Yes but much as some white straight males like to pretend, you are not under attack by the woke movement as much as women and lesbians are....once again
She speaks for her own beliefs, and is applauded by those that share her beliefs. She does not speak for women, girls, lesbians, in general. And she is not speaking for science, or the medical establishment. And she certainly isn't speaking for truth. She is doing what all reactionary bigots have done for all time, she is attempting to create a moral panic and turn a marginalized group into the villain.
As a male university lecturer in Scotland for over 20 years I hold heartedly agree with what is being said. Keep up the fight, the tide is turning against this identity nonsense.
@@audreysuter4315 How is that going to work? Surely you need to get everyone else to ignore them too? But why would any sane, compassionate, caring, normal, human being want to act like such a dick anyway?
Would love to hear Kathleen and Dr. Julie Ponesse (brave and wonderful Canadian ethics professor who lost her job over vaccine mandates) have a conversation. Two brilliant women whose voices the world desperately needs right now.
@@LizaFan Criticism implies rational debate and challenges to her position. But the trans crowd don't get involved in rational debate. Either they will do their best to prevent people like her from presenting their position or, instead of debate will scream "transphobe", "bigot" or whatever other epithet their warped brains can summon up. Not surprising of course since there is no evidence-based support for their beliefs, so they know how stupid they will appear if they attempt anything approaching a rational debate.
@@ZambeziKid I mean, essentially everything she says is coherent and well articulated - to go over all her good points would be to transcribe her whole book, or at least to write a deluge of bullet points. The better question would be what points, specifically, do you consider to be weak? The general stance that biological sex is objectively real, denotes a distinct group that is worthy of advocacy, requires language to describe it, and is more culturally significant than gender as a disembodied construct... is very, very robust. As best I can tell, the most common complaint against her is that her view on keeping protected spaces for biological women (or people who present as biological women, as she clarifies) is a damning judgement of trans-identifying people... but she very rightly points out that this is no more true against trans-identifying people as it is against all biological men, but this is the only way protected spaces can work. If the protected space cannot discern who enters it, then it literally is not a protected space, but that doesn't mean we think ALL men are predators.
@@LizaFan What criticism have you seen her struggle with? I've seen her in a number of debates, and I've only ever seen her calmly and respectfully dismantle any counter arguments offered to her, while very robustly articulating her own gender-critical position. Is there a place you can direct me to see her utterly wilting under criticism?
Now that I hear her directly talk about the worldview, I see why she was chased out of academia... she's far too erudite and sensible to be tolerated by loons.
Not all of academia is filled with loons - just certain departments, institutions and subject areas. Gender studies is a prime example of the latter, but post-colonialism and postmodernism have churned up their fair share of nutters, as has politics.
She sounds Nice But this NEW theory interpretation That now we HAVE. What.?? GENDER IDENTITY AND BIO DO NOT MATCH. WELL. ANOTHER EXCUSE TO IMPOSE THEIR IDEAS. HERSELF A LESBIAN. NEEDS TO FIND AND SPREAD DIFFERENT THEORIES INTERPRETATIONS SPECIALLY BEEN IN ACADEMIA. WHERE THIS THEORIES CAN BE PLANTED IN THE MINDS OF THE YOUNG ADULTS TO MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY REAL WHEN IN REALITY IS AN INDIVIDUAL HUMAN SEXUAL PREFERENCE FOR WHATEVER REASON. CHOSEN BY HIM OR HER.
So, you think there is a clampdown on erudition in academia? Well that pretty much sums up the absurdity of the position taken up by reactionaries and bigots alike.
@davesmith826 Unfortunately, gender ideology has permeated many universities & fields, including psychology, biology, psychiatry, etc. It's quite scary.
We as adults, parents and grandparents etc. are responsible for the world young people live in. We as busy stressed people abandoned them to the market to distract them from our inability to be present because we're exhausted. This is what we need to come to terms with.
Yes. Small families, too far away from grandmothers, mother's doing too jobs. And another factor is very deliberate fostering of identity politics to distract us from how unequal our society has become.
Students moving away to colleges, in which they are then indoctrinated into woke ideology by woke "professors" and are told their parents snd the older generation are racists and bigots and that current society must be torn down.
This is such a mature thing to have to admit. It really is the parenting, and always has been the parenting. Parents are not preparing their children for healthy living.
The object of attending University is to obtain the ability of critical thinking. If these students and academics are afraid to debate then they do not belong in a University environment. She speaks a lot of sense, if you do not agree with her, debate her, do not try and cancel her.
Kathleen's so clear-minded and articulate, a breath of fresh air. I hope we're able to work through these years of ideological madness and come out the other side more aware of the dangers of rabid authoritarianism.
Eine sympathische Frau. Ich kann sehr viel damit anfangen, was sie sagt. Eine Handvoll junger Menschen hat große Angst (kein Wunder in einer atomisierten Gesellschaft), sie verdienen Mitgefühl, aber es ist auch wichtig eine klare Grenze zu setzen. Ich habe viele Kollegen und Kolleginnen auch ab 30, die diese Identitätsprobleme haben, sich aber für politisch korrekt halten und alle anderen für Nazis.
I go to one of the Oxford colleges that passed a motion against Kathleen. I’m sick of a tiny minority of students making the rest of us look like intolerant despots. If they think they’re on the right side of history why won’t they let the ideas be debated in public forums? It’s because they’re wrong, and history will prove them to be wrong.
yes, but history can't prove anything, it is a really wrong term that means nothing. Reality is proving things, humans are proving things and those can be proven in the present, history is supposed to document it and as we see, there is a LOT of lies and bias in historical research
Oliver thanks for your msg on here , i think most right minded people will know & see that it IS the " tiny minority , vocal loudmouths " who are clearly Anti Establishment . Many will one day have to face REALITY , Sooner or later this DIVERSITY BUBBLE WILL BURST .
I'm afraid it will take more than just that. This isn't just about university students. In addition to academia, this ideology has captured the commanding heights of the legal profession, civil service and corporate HR departments in most of the English-speaking world. Here in Canada, I just read an opinion piece in the Globe and Mail, what was once referred to as the, "national paper of record", that argued any expression of "transphobic ideology" should be considered a terrorist offence, rather than a hate crime. Honest disagreement with rainbow flags flying from publicly funded schools is, to this person's way of thinking, to be equated to an act of terrorism. What is really scary is that there are many in the professions I mentioned who would entirely and uncritically agree with her view.
As Andrew Doyle has eloquently described in his excellent book "the new puritans", it is not the deluded kids that are causing all this nonsense - it is the adults who empower them.
For anyone who has lost friends and even had family turn their back to you because you refuse to go along with wokism.. you're not alone. It's so painful. I wish this wasn't happening.
Do not WORRY. THOSE THAT REJECT YOU POLLUTE AND DAMAGE YOU . IF THEY DO NOT ACCEPT YOU BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM. DO NOT WAIST YOUR PRECIOUS LIFETIME LIVE FREE MAKE YOUR DECISIONS GET AWAY FROM THESE SOCIOPATHS. YOU DO NOT NEED THEM. THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE GOD WILL DRAW THEM TO YOUR PATH. FIND AND HEAR AND REASON WHAT SOMEONE LIKE MR JORDAN B PETERSON TEACHES. ENJOY LIFE. AND TAKE CARE. .
@@lizziebkennedy7505 Strange, they never said they refused human rights, but that is what you read. Are you cosplaying as the family that turned their back on them?
Unfortunately for me and likely you, I realized too late that everything that is going on politically and culturally taps into the same primitive part of our brain (amygdala) that religion does. So trying to reason with them is a very unreasonable thing to do.
The reality is most are probably not suitable for university. In my day, it was only 10% of the population who were the brightest and the best of their peer group.
everybody should be free to give university a shot, not just the elite.. wokeness is a side effect of social media rabbit holes grooming young minds, empowering neuroses of the confused. universities are now mired in sheltered feelings and trigger warnings
She was my metaethics professor in graduate school at Sussex, in 2015-2016. Looking back, she was having difficulty teaching the course. When I realized (much later) that she was under-fire like this at the time, I really sympathize with her.
She appears to me to be someone who has been subjected to unrelenting extreme stress. I think she can be forgiven for any times she's reaching for words.
We trans widows, that is, ex-wives of suddenly 24/7 crossdressing men, know the rage, the illogic & targeting. Thx from YT channel, Trans Widow Ute Heggen
Employers are just crazy if they hire these activists. They are looking at years of lawsuits from them or against them. I am seeing this more and more. People are sick of them and are now fighting back. Lots are suing now.
They want employees that behave without a conscience towards subs, collegues and customers/ readers/ viewers. These are the personalities that go all in for that.
Is Unherd aware that a majority of NUJ members recently voted *against* a motion stating the union’s intention to protect journalists facing abuse and damage to their livelihoods when reporting on the gender debate?
Journalists no longer supporting freedom of speech and of the press? Who'd've thunk it. At least they've had the decency to finally let us know for sure what many of us long suspected.
What you think people should be forced to give up their time and endlessly debate someone who won't back down from their bigoted position? It makes sense to cut the rot out. It is not going to be magically transformed into something positive and healthy.
@@angrygopnik2317 You think that the world should cancel anyone who stands up for the marginalized and the vulnerable? I wish I could educate bigots out of their hate. They are determined to make it an uphill battle just to have the same rights as them. How does anyone look at that and think it is what the world needs?
@@opinion3742 marginalised and vulnerable ? In your head only. At the moment they have more privileges than anyone else. The only ones i hope will be marginalised are people like you who make it more difficult than ever for lesbians, male homosexuals and real transpeople to integrate in normal life as they have done already for years before the fakes found it necessary to make it a freak show to get attention. Example; lesbian women being cohersed into having sex with transwomen ( who are actually men) because “ a transwoman is a woman”?! The problem is that you people want to impose your ideology on everybody else including children and silence everybody who doesn’t agree. That’s facisme!
if you don't agree with what someone is saying then you need to discuss it, not letting them speak shows that you are ignorant and just a little cowardly in not wanting to confront what it is that makes you so angry, It might also mean that your side of the argument won't stand up to scrutiny,
Not only do I see it as absurd that some people seem to elevate their identities to priority number one: I actually consider having an identity to be an undesirable thing, like having a delusion or a bad habit or some other flaw. To me, an identity is nothing more than caricature, and adopting one makes you a caricature of a person.
What an intelligent comment ... I absolutely agree. And they can be hard to let go of as the sense of self then feels diminished in some way, when in fact it's liberating
Creating and maintaining an identity must also be very exhausting. One must never lose control of one`s fellow citizens so that they don`t forget to honor one`s identity.
I think young people are neurotic and deeply anxious for a reason. Namely responding to their environment witn fear and anger. The levels of stress are unprecedented and young people will be especially sensitive and reactive to a society and culture that is dehumanising and meaningless. Doesn't justify their need to control everything about their external world and how that is being deliberately orchestrated to isolate and divide everyone into separation and loneliness. But it is their reality and safety is everything. They are terrified and act like it.
Very astute comment. There's a very deep malaise at the heart of society, underpinning all the woke nonsense. I see it as an inability to confront the truth and live with the consequences. We are surrounded by lies and liars on all sides, much of it calculated to demoralise and corrupt. Eventually, reality bites.
Oxford was always a great place to help the young generation work out what they think and stand for. Not that much has changed in the half a century since my time there:- my first Oxford exposure to the concept of free speech was seeing a bit of graffiti on Hartford walls: "Free Angela Davis" it proclaimed, and someone had added the letters "ZE" after the first word... I had no idea who Angela Davis was, except that some wanted her to "free" her while others wanted to "freeze" her, and presumably stop her spreading her ideas. She's now a grand old lady, an academic - a professor of ethics (?) at one of the US universities, and from her controversial beginnings, she went on to become a hugely influential figure. One could almost imagine that controversy is a rite of passage for budding future senior academics (or management consultants). Lesson of the day:- free speech is good. If you disagree with what's being said, find a way to beat the argument with a better one. It's always better to be tactful than offensive, but ideas can be offensive even if tactfully expressed and the right to free speech shouldn't be taken away just because someone somewhere is offended by them. 50 years ago, Teddy Hall was a men only college; had been so for centuries. And now, after 40 years of admitting men and women, gender is in flux again. A backlash perhaps? 🙂
Ironically Angella Davis is now widely viewed as a State plant and identity politics as a State backed "divide and rule" initiative aiming at distraction from class politics.
It is unfortunate that the nature of current political discourse means that someone so obviously decent as Kathleen Stock has been vilified by those who disagree with her. Worth remembering that it cuts both ways, and there are people with blue hair and funny pronouns who are also fundamentally decent, albeit misguided and wrong.
@@apebass2215 I do not require people to produce certificates of decency in order to determine their worth. I mostly go on how they treat others outside of social media twaddle (which brings out the worst in everybody). The question can also be reversed i.e. how do you know that they are not?
@@apebass2215 Burden of proof (Yawn). Not interested, although Stephen Woodford and Matt Dillahunty would probably be on my side here. Embarrassing as that might be for me.
@@juvenalsdad4175 not sure why the twitterverse gives anyone a free pass to behave badly....... Like wearing a paper bag over your head whilst beating the cr@p out of someone then walking away. You are still the villain of the piece.
If you are of a generation not to know it, I highly recommend Malcolm Bradbury’s “The History Man” from the early 70s.The dynamic is so like what is going on now in universities it is uncanny. And like Stock, Bradbury fixes the villainy squarely, firmly and unflinching on academics…one in particular. Bradbury is keen to show just how much damage in the long and short term such an academic can wreak on the minds of young students.
I am 73 years old. There are short periods of time now and then when I feel like I am 35 years old. But I don't think, "I'm 35 again." And I don't expect anyone else to tell me I am young, or treat me like a young man. There is such a thing as "fact," and there is such a thing as being truthful in relation to fact.
A correction for Kathleen Stock. These students are desperate for a safe villain to appear for them to oppose. If they want a real villain they can go support the soldiers in Ukraine against Prigozhin and Putin, but these are really dangerous villains.This is something the interviewer does not understand. There is no great epiphany that will occur as a result of these students, rather they are hiding from the very real problems and challenges that exist in the world. This exercise they engage in is simply self aggrandizement while in university prior to joining Daddy's firm as a junior executive or lawyer.
Thank you for all you do Kathleen, and for Unherd for listening and keeping the topic going, respectably. The world of TRAs and toxic GC's is as mad as ever, but people like Kathleen just speak truth, and thats what we need. These are the Women who are winning this war on behalf of everyone else.
I have two comments: the 1st is whatever happened to the word transvestite and the word sexual dysmorphia which means an unomfortable feeling within the body you have. These were considered psychological manifestations of dysfunction and they were addressed and I think it is strange that now they have been completely canceled and instead the person is called a trans person. I think the DSM manual has to re incorporate those dysfunctions as issues to be addressed by therapist and psychologist til the person reaches majority which in America is 18 when the person can choose what they want to do with their body legally. THAT said the rest of the world also has the right to view them as they see fit. THAT is their right as a human. My second comment is something I read recently and it rings true and it says there s a lot of money behind this movement that we aren't seeing. FOR example in America there is a very powerful wealthy family who made their money in coal and one of their members is identifying as a trans woman which they only did as a mature, very mature man. They are throwing tons of money behind this movement. It has also been mentioned that there are other forces that are political in nature from other countries that are throwing a lot of money and energy behind this movement in order to destabilize the West and it seems to be working at least in terms of distraction from the issues that matter in a human being's life Unfortunately we no longer have investigative journalists who r willing to put their body on the line and do the real work and the real research to expose especially this latter group. So in essence the world is like a donkey being led by its nose with a ring through its nose and deviates, the ring is jerked & the nose becomes painful and bleeds so they do not move their nose. Such is the world we live in in 2023.
Stock makes a number of very important points here which expose the psychological motivations behind the attitudes and actions of those who have invested heavily in the language games (beliefs and values) of this particular aspect of the woke religion. Narcissistic self obsession, neuroticism, anxiety and desire for power are certainly underlying causes which are symptomatic of the phenomenon.
I have a teen daughter, changed names, goes by he, has interesting hair. I'm not impressed and I don't play that game. But I'm still terrified though and have resorted to work arounds and nicknames. I know it's psychological. I hope it resolves itself. I just want my kid to get on with life, family, school and a job, mental wellness and physical wellness. I'm going to worry for at least another decade. 😫
University students should have moral fiber and be able to listen to all sides of an argument or thought. If they can not, they should not be at university.
I don’t know how bad the situation is in the UK regarding this gender agenda but here in the States is so bad that I never thought I would consider moving to a more conservative state and leaving New York behind. Sick to death of being asked “ what are your pronouns?” Enough of this BS!
I agree that these young people are unhappy and ultimately disconnected, lost without meaningful foundations. I'm a big believer of nurture over nature, and nuture used to extend from the family to community to wider culture.
Kathleen Stock is an absolute boss with a bag full of receipts and no time for clowns who have sworn if it's the last they do they will drown in a glass of water.
Can Oxford go back to producing the kinds of brains that can help solve the major problems faced by mankind. Not act as a nursey for privileged and petulent adult babies..
Not heard her speak before, and I hate feminism (but agree with equality) and she's a great philosopher and great talker. Much better than Jordan Peterson. I must read what she's written.
“ a metaphysical position keeping them in nice jobs” is a very astute critique of gender identifying academics. This goes to show you need to consider what people actually say that work off stereotypes. This is a interesting glimpse of lonely neurotic anxious young students who don’t interact, a long distance away from other poets who are that bit older who I know.
Much strength to KS and those in the same sort of position. We're in a sad place, where youngsters, as well as older folk who should know better, imagine that uncontrolled & noisy protest = making a convincing arguement. Sooner or later, if they have half an ounce of common sense, they will wake up and realise their mistake. Best Wishes to KS and all who choose to maintain a calm and considered demeanor. 🙂
Yes~just because people hate a fact doesn’t mean that fact is hate. It’s really about equal respect and care for both sexes and both ways of being-which in reality appear in humans overall as a Venn diagram and with differences in individuals. Gender equates sex to ways of being which is regressive not progressive. The word woman means sex or sexist stereotypes that box people out of their individuality.
If I had told my doctor when he diagnosed me as bipolar forty fives years ago, that I believed that I lived in a dictionary-based universe, he would have up the dosage of my medicine. Now, I feel vindicated. Words do define our relativity according to this new movement. I can call myself a lamp post and demand everyone around me to refer and treat me as a lamp post. As a society, why do we have a very thick book that defines what society views as mental illness?
Respect to Stock. These radicals force ideologies. People back down from the aggression or back away from being judged as a biggotted. They do not back down because they agree. Its hime to stop backing down because too much is at stake.
