Material Girls | Kathleen Stock 

Can we see her interview a trans man such as the dude who appeared on Queer Eye?

Academia needs to fundementally change. This idea of campus, student union and collective experience is no longer viable just like this nostalgic idea about cinema. The conservative attitude of the establishment of holding on to insitutions alresdy hallowed out and redundant is the problem. After the sexual scandles that are no "taboo", the trust in academic papers has been increasingly diminishing. University in the format of the 60s is rotten to the core and no longer serves a purpose. Academic side of university was always about providing oppotunities for research and learning through student's initiative in opposition to teaching students in school. With the advent of the internet the academic side is redundant. It is interesting to note that most successful individuals who have gone on to achieve progress are those who either never attended university or those who left soon after starting university. The social aspect of university is not too much at odds with ordinary life. It is now too traumatic of an experience for young people leaving their own environment and suddenly finding themselves living on campus. This might have been beneficial in the past but we now must admit that childhood development is very different to how it used to be in the 20th century. University like any organisation is based on being run the staff. Now they are like asylems being run by patients. Students find it difficult to find their place in community and therefore are becoming collectively defensive, hence this stance about identity that seems totally ireconsilable to us. Let's not forget that we are talking about still very young people with a lot less social experience that previous generation. So, I disagree, it is a generational problem, one that specially academics are too close to it to recognise it. Maybe the current format but is further downsized is more suitable for older individuals wishing to have an arena for social interaction involving their interest that is much smaller and less all encompassing.

It's amazing that such narcissism and fragility is being encouraged. What will become of a generation that thinks every ego is a precious little snowflake. Shh! No one speak. You might "trigger" someone!

Nope. I won't register on your website to watch the whole conversation. I hate being tricked into watching and then being cut off! No clicks from me anymore.

These people are narcissists. They only care about themselves, they would have no understanding or compassion for someone outside of their 'affirming' echo chamber.

​@melhawk1352 its a v odd phenomenon. Simultaneously militantly individualistic in philosophy and collectivist in it's public enforcement

You should have made a complaint against that person for being insensitive to a bereaving colleague and for harassing you!

@@3brenm It's not odd at all when seen in terms of religion or cult. It's exactly in keeping with that playbook. I'd highly recommend Andrew Doyle's book, 'The New Puritans'. He writes brilliantly and wears his considerable learning lightly.

@@lewreed1871 yer i suppose I've never seen it playing out in front of my eyes before though, so it's a little shocking. Especially when it's so unrelated to general political concerns. I remember seeing the "trans women are women" signs etc and wondering how people could just accept that without a second thought. My ex literally said "you either believe trans women are women or you don't, it's that simple." i was like "that is a drastic simplification of this issue". It's because this philosophical debate is being portrayed as a persecuted minority issue. But there is more than one thing going on here.

What is courageous about being a hateful bigot?

The reason we're seeing this now is because the first generation to be raised in such high levels of safety, stability, material abundance, and prosperity that they could cultivate a "feelings first" mentality are now adults taking position of power in society. This will continue to accelerate for the foreseeable future, because even those who push back against the outcomes of this mentality (like the so-called 'trans-rights' and other posthuman nonsense) do not fundamentally disagree with the foundational premises of the ideology. They still, at heart, believe it's not right that every tree in the forest does not get the same amount of light.

She has a philosopher's habitual caution and fastidiousness in her use of language (I think). This is a really good thing.

Yes, it was meant to be. It's a dishonest scare tactic from a dishonest hate monger.

​@@highroller-jq3ixbullshit

@@highroller-jq3ix She is 100 % right.

@@sandorx4 Who is right about what exactly? Are you saying that the hateful bigot is right about things that medical science and living people see completely differently? Based on what?

@@highroller-jq3ix 🙄

I’ve never bullied her so why say trans activists maybe a handful who are fed up with some of the non sense she spreads

If youre a trans activist, you're the problem. Kathleen can say whatever she likes, get both used to AND over it.

@@SASKHIAMENENDEZ01 How has she destroyed your life? That's a very definite statement.

@@SASKHIAMENENDEZ01Just saying “she knows she's a liar" is not an argument. You should learn how to debate.

It’s non sense if she was talking facts I would say

Thank you 🙏🏼 We need to get rid of this gender concept. It solidifies harmful stereotypes.

Exactly. You are either male or female, and if you can’t come to terms with that you have a personality disorder

Gender is neither useless nor destructive when used appropriately. Sexual dimorphism generates certain behavior trends, which in turn drive cultural norms. The concept of gender is built upon these foundations - there is nothing inherently wrong with telling a weak, cowardly, unproductive male that he is not "being a man" - it's true that he is not living up to the standards and expectations for males that the "man" concept encapsulates! The problem is when we pretend that gender is not built on a foundation of biology and/or that it can be entirely socially determined. Trying to erase biology and usher in posthumanism is the destructive part.

@@mylesleggette7520 Yes, gender is a useless and destructive concept. And no, it is not OK to tell an unproductive male that he is not "being a man." We can agree to disagree, mate.

@@mylesleggette7520 What you call "the 'man' concept" IS gender. That is EXACTLY the problem with gender. You're proving the point. Toxic masculinity gender ideology like yours is right next door to transgender ideology. Incels are one tiny step removed from becoming "transgender" themselves. You're a transwoman at heart, boy.

But it does require just that. Being T requires that all of society 'buy in' to it and participate in it. Being LGB requires none of that. LGB requires no fake names, fraudulent pronouns, or medicalization. Nor does it require bastardizing the language and compelled speech in order for LGBs to be their authentic selves. LGBs rights and women's rights are based on the material reality of sex. T is based on an erotic fantasy in heterosexual, male, sexual fetishists' heads and these men are the main drivers of this movement. It is misogynist and homophobic to its core.

That seems to come from a place of deep insecurity.

Imagine you're a biological woman and you also identify as such but other people treat you as a man. What would you do? Would you be okay w it because you know deep down you're a woman? Most people would in fact argue and want to defend their identity as a woman. That's why trans people defend theirs. They don't like being called something they're not constantly

​@@paintbox3011 they're never called something they're not. they choose to redefine the thing they're being called. that's not functional or tolerable behaviour, but extremely and deliberately anti-social. colloquially, "man" is meant to refer plainly to an adult male. when it is used literally, we mean nothing but this plain fact, an adult male. personality is not included, contrary sex characteristics he displays are not included, what he looks like, how he speaks, how he dresses, who he is attracted to--none of it, with the literal definition you know most people in this society use, and as our dictionaries confirm, is relevant to him just being a "man". while we may speak of "manly" things, and, in figurative sense, call someone "a real man" or "not a real man", when describing their character, no one actually believes that the adult male in question is not literally a man. when an adult male feels affinity with femininity, and expresses it, and desires to be what he imagines is a woman, even feminists who will respect it to (to the point of him saying he has a right in their private areas) acknowledge that he is still a man. there is no value-judgment attached to the literal definition of man. an adult human male is a man. he can look like anything, act like anything, feel anything, and many people will, out of sympathy for him, call him a woman as a social nicety, but he is a man and acknowledging that plain fact does not actually have anything to do with whether or not you respect his personal expression. his manhood is a plain, neutral fact, no different to him having legs. if he has two legs, he is bipedal. if he is of the sex which is biologically inclined to produce male gametes, then, even if abnormality gives him secondary sex characteristics of a female, once he is matured, he is a "man". the literal colloquial definition of "man" is adult male, and that is how most people use it--in fact, most trans-allies use it in this sense most of the time, but moderate their language when talking about trans people (doublethink) so, when an adult male says he knows deep down that he is not an adult male, this is not comparable to an adult female who says she knows that she is not an adult male. your attempt to draw false equivalence between those things is an exercise in gaslighting. it does not even matter that transgender ideologues choose to redefine established terms. they know that they are speaking to people who do not use or understand or agree with their terminology, so even if a transgender redefines "woman" to include heterosexual males with beards, they KNOW that when someone else uses that term, they are not including such people. they also KNOW that "women's bathrooms" has never referred to personal identity, but are literally purposed for plain females. they are structurally designed for the typical female body, they have never meant "somewhere where people who feel an affinity with femininity go". when they say "women's bathroom" includes males, they are deliberately, consciously, insolently, pretending that their personal redefinition of an established term is the only true one. it is literally as if i were to redefine red as blue and call you wrong when you call blue things blue. this is why people describe the ideology as insane. it is deliberately antagonistic to the most fundamental social norms and language and common logic.

@@paintbox3011 imagine people forcing people to subscribe to an alternate reality such as calling a cat a dog and expecting people to believe in it ? Does that make sense to you ? If so then there is no need to talk any further.

Secondeded!

How do you know she's a woman?

@@SuperKripke It is really quite simple: she doesn't look like a caricature.

@@thenorthernspinozist397 Ah I see. So to successfully exclude trans women from women's only spaces we just have to see if they fit the "caricature test". Fortunately there are no caricature tests for being a decent human being else you wouldn't pass.

@@SuperKripke Your opinion.

Kellie-Jay Keen as well.

Really, there are male rapist (trans of some kind I’m sure..) violent transgender woman bunking and living with females in a women’s prison..?name the incarcerated. As a matter of peace and safety of their charges, prison administrators have a lot of Lee way in ensuring the safety of the prisoner in their care. The numbers are important here.The trans population is about one percent. Statically, a female is more likely to be killed by a Cis white male than a trans woman, 10 to one. Are you afraid of naming the prisoner out of fear of making kids trans? By you taking the dehumanizing opinion of gender non conforming,you are doing harm to our society. We are human, entitled to the dignity of living as we please. No one is hurting you,especially trans, despite,at times living desperate lives of just surviving.If they were bad actors your agenda would be screaming this out loud. Shame on you and your ilk.

Dame Kathleen, eventually. Take that to Betfair.

Against the tide...??

I've got it on kindle but not read it yet

I'm struggling to get a copy!

It’s a must read and so thoroughly researched.

thank you.

I've read it now. Really interesting and well-researched. And a good read

Have you ever heard of Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance? Basically, our society has become too tolerant of the intolerance of the gender movement to any idea which doesn't conform to theirs. Popper said the paradox is we have to be intolerant to intolerant, ie no longer tolerate farfetched ideas and the bullying of the gender mob.

This will pass. The next generation, will have something on its fringe. That is over reactive, and appalling to the majority.

This is why existence of transgender people is bringing reason to an otherwise cultish belief system that man or woman is this or that, which were rooted in a belief, and not science. gender bianry itself was brought in from colonists, in ancient societies there were mutiple genders , the original Jewish Torah itself had 6 genders.

You mean a brilliant woman.

@@WateryFire How do you know she's a woman?

@@SuperKripke she is not a caricature 🤣😂

@@habibie I thought you guys hated circular definitions? The question remains whether cis women that look like dudes pass your test or not. Also, guarantee you that there are many women that have transitioned that you cannot tell are trans on sight alone.

@@SuperKripke She IS a woman.

Yes, it takes so much "courage" to hop on board the transphobic hate train.

@@highroller-jq3ix Your slurs and labels hold no water, and neither does your claimed identity

@@TheTrenchesYT Since I claimed no identity at all, your stupid, inane, pointless shrieking holds only stupidity, inanity, and pointlessness. Go get your diaper changed if holding water is such a pressing concern.

@@highroller-jq3ix actually it cost her, her job. You know, because "progressives" are so tolerant and open minded. In this day of age, it is courageous for many people to oppose gender theory because of people like you. You can't rationalize, you can't comprehend a different opinion and, you can't tolerate so, you label things you don't like "hateful", "phobic", "dangerous" and, try to ruin the lives of those expressing these views.

​@@TheTrenchesYToof, take a bow.

What is your personal, and seemingly quite stupid, definition of a "hero?"

Love bombing, rote repetition (Trans women are women), intolerance of any swaying from group thought, shunning of members who leave. Absolutely cult behaviors

You are wrong, most trans folk live isolated lives because of a lack of acceptance from mean and intolerant people.

Transgender is not a cult because it is not rooted in a belief but purely in a biology and self determination to embody our spirit. hat is a cult is a belief that woman is someone who has a vagina, because it s rooted in a belief. What we are witnessing here is a self projection, transgender peopel are the voice of mother nature rebelling against this oppressive colonial sexist system.

She is on the side of _all_ sensible human beings.

You seem insane. Stop.

Glad you like debate i summit the following statement: There are male rapist (trans of some kind I’m sure..) really? violent transgender woman bunking and living with females in a women’s prison..?name the incarcerated. As a matter of peace and safety of their charges, prison administrators have a lot of Lee way in ensuring the safety of the prisoner in their care. The numbers are important here.The trans population is about one percent. Statically, a female is more likely to be killed by a Cis white male than a trans woman, 10 to one. Are you afraid of naming the prisoner out of fear of making kids trans? By you taking the dehumanizing opinion that gender non conforming, are dangers or just interlopers,you are doing harm to our society. We are human, entitled to the dignity of living as we please. No one is hurting you,especially the peaceful trans, despite,at times living desperate lives of just surviving.If they were bad actors your agenda would be screaming this out loud. Shame on you and your ilk.

@@Preciouspink do you even listen to people like Stock? They are not against trans people but against an aggressive ideology that denies scientific facts. Denying scientific facts hurts everyone, trans people included. Listen to Stock before speaking against her.

@@PreciouspinkBarbie kardeshian, Karen white, Katie Dolatowski, Dana Rivers and the list goes on and on and on. And on. But seriously only one would be one to many. Women in prisons matter. They safety, their well being matter. Women in prisons matter.

@@Preciouspinkoh and another fun fact; Finland has only one serial killer that meets the official FBI criteria. Only one. He identifies as woman. He’s trans.

@@impossibleagent3663 so do trans women and they are far more likely to be sexually assaulted. What are those names?

Yes, i noticed that. She's genuinely nervous and not even saying anything controversial. Crazy

I'd say she's just not a natural public speaker.

I want to give her a hug, "speak, even when your voice shakes."

Because she knows how her ideology is fascistic in its essence. It erases someone's sovereignty and agency over their own mind and body.

@@Shalanaya It takes one to know one.

Is it true? That'd be a catastrophy for children and women.

​@@ReoAard and understanding of language/reality

@@3brenm You're right

Get your asses into gear New Zealanders! Repeal this awful anti-women law. May reason prevail.

And it was slipped in so quietly. The only reason I found out (two days after it happened!) was because the way we treated KJ Keane shocked me so much so I looked her up, and listening to both sudes it was obvious who was sane and correct and who was behaving like an outraged religious cult. So I then looked up a women’s rights activist in nz to support and they told me!

The channel pinned a link at the top of the comments that will take you to their website, where they have the entire talk (which I have not gone to, myself, because I’m still watching this video).

That's not true. "Gender" is UNIQUE, in being 100% evidence-free, subjective and unfalsifiable, yet being treated like some innate, externally-verifiable trait, like race or sex (well, evidence-free """gender""" self-ID is being claimed to REPLACE evidence-based sex). But MOST of the labels we've given the MOST credence and protection to til now, are real, externally verifiable, evidence-based traits; I'm black. Stock is white. NEITHER is some "internal", subjective, evidence-free, opt-in label like """gender""", where ANYONE can claim ANY label, because it's 100% internal; Not even the most radical lefty would buy it if Stock "identified as black"... But they WOULD buy it, if she "identified as a man"... And the label of sex ISN'T "internal" like "gender"- You can claim ANY self-ID'd "gender" you can think of, all with EQUAL validity, because it IS purely "internal", and 100% removed from real-world EVIDENCE... But you CAN'T do that with sex... Because sex ISN'T internal and evidence-free; Sex is EXTERNALLY-verifiable, evidence-based, biologcal reality. Same with almost ALL labels that are granted protection by anti-discrimination laws- Sex, race, disability. Even "gay" and "lesbian" ARE externally disprovable (or they USED to be, til the left re-wrote reality...)- If I claim to be gay, (UNLIKE any "gender" label I choose) that is disproved, if you discover that I've shared a bed with my wife, for almost a decade... And if I claim to be "lesbian" (to a sane person) that's immediately externally disproved, by me being a man... The ONLY labels protected by anti-discrimination laws, that come close to the "internal", unfalsifiable nature of "gender", is ideological labels, like political alignment, or religious belief... But we all ACKNOWLEDGE that nobody is born with political or religious beliefs- That these beliefs are A CHOICE we each make- We treat those traits different to FIXED traits like race and sex, that we DON'T choose. But believers in gender, expect is to treat it like a fixed, evidence-based, externally-verifiable trait like sex or race or disability... even though ALL EVIDENCE says its a belief you choose, like a political or religious label. Expecting the world to PRETEND to believe that a biologcal man is somehow "REALLY a woman", and wanting us all to use "she/her" pronouns for a man, is the same as a religious believer, expecting non-belivers to PRETEND to believe he's "saved", or "god's chosen one", or something. "Gender" is the ONLY kind of internal, unverifiable, label, where the whole world is expected to pretend it's EXTERNAL, and real... (If "gender" played by the rules that every OTHER religion adhered to, I'd have no issue with it... But we're all expected to pretend that "non-binary" and "male women" AREN'T just religious beliefs,; We're supposed to pretend that this ONE religion's evidence-free fantasys are "the REAL Truth...")

The activists can bog off. No way is a jumped up bully telling me I can't be involved with my kids education and welfare. Thank god my children are safe from the mainstream education. Uni is an absolute NO.

EXACTLY!

It is a child abuse for a child to be told they are a girlk or boy just based on their genitalia, I hope you understand that.

@@Shalanaya Wow. You're far gone. How is aknowledging a material fact child abuse? Is it the BUTBUTBUT ma iDenTitY?! Pretty brainwashed and narcissistic. But, you do you.

@@Shalanayait’s child abuse to make kids believe they can be something when they can’t no matter how many hormones they take and how much surgery they get.

Not just young people. I feel politically homeless and powerless in terms of party politics. You may be right though.

The whole *point* of trans rights is that they cannot be clearly defined or agreed upon, because they are, by definition, transgressive. Their very essence is to cross boundaries, which makes any agreement fundamentally unstable and short-lived.

True, but how does one reason with fanatics?

@simonhadley8829 not sure, but no longer going along with and speaking back against their narrative, especially the outright lies, is part of it

​@simonhadley8829 in a group you can't. One on one you possibly could but only if they value you and your thoughts. There is no reasoning with a fanatical group, any fanatical group.

Have you followed the story of swimmer Lia Thomas?

Your friend's telepathic and precognitive powers are quite impressive! While she is busy patronizingly explaining to you what experiences you will never have you should ask her what the winning lotto numbers will be! Meanwhile in the real world, men get sexually assaulted and kidnapped every day, and have to live with the fear of that for the rest of their lives. The concerns she tried to explain to you are very real, but I have grown tired of people trying to explain the world through a "you could never understand what it's like for us" lens. It's not just that it's condescending and annoying, it's that it's just so *unnecessary*. People can make their points just fine without pretending their experiences are unique to their group.

There is some truth to what your friend says. However this is a game which can be played endlessly, dividing people into arbitrary groups and claiming one has privilege over another. So one can make a case for male privilege, female privilege, white privilege, tall privilege, wealthy privilege, attractiveness privilege, young privilege, etc. It isn't helpful or productive. We all face different challenges in life, how is whining that someone else has it easier going to help?

Or the horns blown by activists in the background

Extortion by project affected identify.

I wish NZ would wake up! Hopefully the court case for Kellie-J, will make people think, about abusing people for just speaking! We need to turn around now and get back to sorting out the planet.

@@johncarter1150 Words random Wednesday inexplicable by.

@Sylvester272 finally, a moderate. Can you lead the TA movement please. Everyone else has come to this video to just play identity politics and attack kathleen as a person.

​@Sylvester272 on this video there are mostly character attacks and deflection from the TA side. 'Trad con' 'egg','bad faith' bringing up her past, deflection. Etc. Look for yourself. No, not algorithms because i can see all the other comments too. Yours was the first critique which actually involved the issues. And i commend you for it.

Narcissists as well, unsurprisingly. They also seem to be saying that the basis of Reality is what goes on in your head. I think that is a b"£$et Philosophy.

Have you followed the story of swimmer Lia Thomas, who competes as a woman in NCAA competitions?

That is easy enough to say, but please do consider how you yourself will be the first to acknowledge (I hope) that determining who is "better" or "the best" is oftentimes an impossible task. Especially in the case of parenting, where both are *required* and cannot fulfill the role of the other in its entirety.

@@mylesleggette7520 So, in other words, discriminatory judgements are a replacement for critical thinking skills. I was thinking the same thing! My solution is to teach critical thinking skills openly, and introduce a level of professionalism into the decision making process when appropriate. And your solution is? You are correct that people never have perfect judgement, that doesn't excuse the absence of it.

19pm - 12pm = 7pm

Nah, it tried, but the UK is not having it

@@cmmndrblu Well some folks in Warwick Uni seems to have got it.

Are you referring to TESC? I graduated in 1978 and back then we had real issues like poverty and civil rights to protest about. Don't know what's happened since as returned to UK.

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