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Keep Your Mouth Shut, Bigot... 

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The notion of 'Hate Speech' is gaining traction in our institutions and culture. Making certain speech illegal is a slippery slope. That's not to say it's all or nothing, black or white. But it is to say we must be very, very careful about the limitations we place, as a society, on free speech and what reasonable people with reasonable concerns and objections can and can't say.
Eyes open for the professional victims appropriating genuine victimhood to censor those they disagree with.
Hope you enjoy the episode.

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@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
A different style of video for you all. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Let's start a thread 👇🏻 For me, there's a fine line somewhere between (a) pursuing truth, reasoning my way to sound conclusions, and then sharing those conclusions with you, and (b) negotiating carefully with those I disagree with and, in certain instances, compromising to find common ground. I can't say I know exactly where the ideal balance is. But I'm doing my best to figure it out. I'm still, and always will be, committed to common ground. But it'll never come at the expense of my commitment to truth or reason. If you want more of my unfiltered real-time thoughts, follow CGC on Insta, I'm pretty active on stories: instagram.com/commongroundconversations/
@--Justin--
@--Justin-- 9 месяцев назад
I will not cede ground on biological realities, but I will happily use a trans person's preferred pronouns if I believe that they're earnest about it and not playing games. I want everyone to feel comfortable being who they genuinely are, as long as that's reciprocated. If someone is being aggressive towards me or trying to take advantage of my good will, then I don't feel like I owe them my kindness.
@PhilosophiesofTravel
@PhilosophiesofTravel 9 месяцев назад
editing on point
@Aizex1
@Aizex1 9 месяцев назад
@@--Justin-- conservatives would consider you a 'leftist' and 'woke' 'cuck'. Lmao. People think that a basic opinion like this one, which is a good one, is considered too far. People aren't ready to let go of tradition.
@MD_Production
@MD_Production 9 месяцев назад
@@Aizex1whats wrong with tradition? At least 30 years ago people were not delusional to the point where they use nonsense pronouns
@plengles4933
@plengles4933 9 месяцев назад
I don’t really think there is something bad about thinking you’re a different sex, people have cross-dressed throughout history and have been various sexualities. Only recently has this been weaponised and i would even say bastardised to the point people make up their own genders to feel special and abuse peoples innate compassion to use against those who present different values. It’s disgusting that the level of polarity we have now means discussing opinions becomes a form of “violence”. Discussion is the most important part of forming your society. An example i could think of is imagining if you were sick and you are offered a route of medication, but when searching for a second opinion every doctor who recommends a different treatment to that illness is then told they are crazy and killing people by suggesting different options.
@Sonicboomflashkick
@Sonicboomflashkick 9 месяцев назад
Being offended is a choice.
@mclovinrubbin
@mclovinrubbin 9 месяцев назад
How you react is a choice. Not being actually being offended. That's brain dead.
@plengles4933
@plengles4933 9 месяцев назад
@@mclovinrubbin it kinda depends. sure your brain will process that something they said is negative or doesn’t match your opinions, but being offended is that conscious choice of refusing to acknowledge that emotion as just a thought and instead thinking it was inherently wrong which by all means it could be to most peoples standards.
@scatton61
@scatton61 9 месяцев назад
Not really, but perhaps more of a learning opportunity
@Explorshon123
@Explorshon123 9 месяцев назад
​@@mclovinrubbinno, I can choose if u can't then u have a problem with your thinking.
@hitchslap8254
@hitchslap8254 9 месяцев назад
It's certainly a currency for some.
@alexrice1870
@alexrice1870 9 месяцев назад
I was born a girl and became a woman through my biological reality and experience. That's what makes me a woman.
@--Justin--
@--Justin-- 9 месяцев назад
If you were unconscious your entire life and never had any experiences you'd still be a woman, which is just by definition an adult human female.
@thenelsonbruhs722
@thenelsonbruhs722 9 месяцев назад
Being born female and reaching adulthood makes you a woman
@saskiafinnan4216
@saskiafinnan4216 9 месяцев назад
@@--Justin-- they're making a joke lol
@ctrlshftep
@ctrlshftep 9 месяцев назад
is adulthood mental or physical@@--Justin--
@craigjoyner9857
@craigjoyner9857 9 месяцев назад
This is an excellent narration of what’s going on in society now. It’s shameful. Men and women must stand against this.
@dutyofcall7659
@dutyofcall7659 9 месяцев назад
Totalitarianism begins and democracy ends when people willingly lie to fit into a political agenda which is why being honest is the most important thing including seeing the biological reality aside from personal feelings.
@BigBudV
@BigBudV 9 месяцев назад
Totalitarianism begins when you try to control and limit our language in rigid ways instead of just using it in various ways based on context to describe your reality like the tool that it is.
@alexrice1870
@alexrice1870 9 месяцев назад
We need to define rights before we define hate speech.
@gmotz9689
@gmotz9689 9 месяцев назад
i am a trans woman. i am not a woman, it's not even close and i don't want it to be. real women's experiences are so different from mine like why is this even a conversation? that this is even a thing is dumb to satiate a group of goofy activists.
@legham21
@legham21 9 месяцев назад
Its already illegal here in Canada....... JP tried to stop it but failed.
@EffSharp
@EffSharp 7 месяцев назад
Please cite that law. I’ve heard a lot of right wingers say this but I have yet to see any such law.
@spabble
@spabble 4 месяца назад
@@EffSharp c 16
@michaelhuber8638
@michaelhuber8638 9 месяцев назад
The crazy it sounds, the victims are the oppressors. You're right.
@charliemeade8642
@charliemeade8642 9 месяцев назад
Their ideas cant survive critique
@Nuxyn
@Nuxyn 9 месяцев назад
Well worded piece on what's going on in the western world today, well done sir
@sida3590
@sida3590 13 дней назад
It scares me that these issues are becoming so apparent in Australia now. Use your brains, peoples
@SwordOfJustice76
@SwordOfJustice76 9 месяцев назад
just found you. doing my part for the algorithm, more aussies need to hear this
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate the support 🤝🏻
@lexaharpell5823
@lexaharpell5823 9 месяцев назад
Same here. I've been looking for an Aussie voice on this subject. Top quality. This bs that is going on reminds me of the H**ler Youth. People have swallowed the Koolaide.
@saskiafinnan4216
@saskiafinnan4216 9 месяцев назад
ill be honest i don't agree with all of your takes but i really respect the conversations you incite and the curiosity and questioning it causes me to have... I really hope other people can question their own and other peoples beliefs and bias more, without being shut down as hate speech.
@ScalieBloke
@ScalieBloke 5 месяцев назад
Do you have clips of certain points of this video at around the 11:00 mark that I can share around?
@laquisha900
@laquisha900 4 месяца назад
As a biological woman, we absolutely need to conversations like this even if it hurts feelings of people, this radical ideology is absurd
@Big-yh8wz
@Big-yh8wz 9 месяцев назад
The asthetic and vibe of this video is fuckin fire
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate you 🤝🏻
@EffSharp
@EffSharp 7 месяцев назад
I’m American so I don’t know what your laws are re free speech. In America, hate speech is protected first amendment speech. That just means you can’t be arrested for it. It doesn’t mean you can’t have consequences: your boss doesn’t like it? You can be fired. Does it violate the policies on your campus? You can be disciplined. I agree with that.
@myusernamehere
@myusernamehere 9 месяцев назад
Bless this channel. 👏🙏
@critterfilmsjax4522
@critterfilmsjax4522 9 месяцев назад
I know these videos are a departure from your normal content, so they may not do as well as far as other kinds of videos, but I hope you keep making these because they are some of your best!
@Bibirallie
@Bibirallie 9 месяцев назад
It’s pure facts not hate speech. Ironically, the same ones who want to police people are the same ones who don’t care if they are wrong when it matters.
@peakbam
@peakbam 9 месяцев назад
You are absolutely correct in every point, to the fullest extent.
@Basics_of_Pain
@Basics_of_Pain 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate the content as always. I know YT take a huge chunk of your contributions. Is there a more creator friendly avenue for contributing available?
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate you and the support. Stay tuned. Looking at options here.
@deanv4431
@deanv4431 9 месяцев назад
Hey mate love your work. I wanted to send this in private, but I think its important for the community as well. Im sure some of us have thought of starting a youtube/podcast project but like myself can only get to a certain point before other commitments have you. Richard, your channel is on the verge of going parabolic if you make a few simple additions which im sure your aware of but the most important one would be upto date political commentary. The war that is expand to most of the middle east and is of greatest importance for conversation, Russia/Ukraine, China,Taiwan, CBDCs, corruptness of Government ect. These stories summed up into a 10-15 minute clip (2-4 times a week) would gain a lot more eye balls and we would have you to represent Australia. There is 1 maybe 2 in Australia who can talk about but poorly execute their videos on these issues. I wont name but they have 200k + subscribers and are full time. Besides right now most people with their head screwed on have moved on from the woke ideology nonsense as we all know its a dying topic of discussion. Thats just me, I just want you to succeed so I dont have to start my own channel 🤣
@br_a1n161
@br_a1n161 9 месяцев назад
I don’t have preferred pronouns. I am male.
@StevoStaple
@StevoStaple 9 месяцев назад
yeah you are what gender you are born with
@Tapenter
@Tapenter 9 месяцев назад
Well this pretty much sums it up. Good speech.
@PhilosophiesofTravel
@PhilosophiesofTravel 9 месяцев назад
Citations please - Would love to see data backing up these assertions. People being locked up for saying non "woke" things, law, police and institutions stepping in when someone "says" the "wrong" thing. Lots of big calls. Need some more data. Cheers
@nunyabiznes80085
@nunyabiznes80085 9 месяцев назад
That's a fair request. I would point you to his previous couple of videos, which shows the way he was treated by the police as a start.
@CS-nd2mu
@CS-nd2mu 9 месяцев назад
You mean the ones where he shows up to angry protests with conflicting views thinly veiled by 'just asking questions' and is upset when they dont want to help him grow his anti-trans youtube channel?@@nunyabiznes80085
@anastasia-fr1gn
@anastasia-fr1gn 4 месяца назад
Also want to add that they were *former* officers, so at the time of the messages many of them were not currently working anymore. Being fired for unprofessional conduct is one thing, but to be jailed for “indecent” messages is another.
@chrisofmelbourne87
@chrisofmelbourne87 9 месяцев назад
Wow. So so so well said! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@nr8813
@nr8813 9 месяцев назад
BasedSpeech
@fallrivers743
@fallrivers743 9 месяцев назад
as a furry who has to deal/risk dealing with trans people frequently, all i gotta say is preach brother. it's absolute hell being around them, they just... damn... like no matter what they're never happy, always complain and always try to insight conflict for the dumbest of reasons, not only that they seem to blame everyone for any issues they have even if they are self inflicted, and most seem to be faking being suicidal (i know because i've actually been there), and with all that the majority of people seem to support them or bow down and tolerate them via shutting up... it's nice to know that there's someone out there that has the exact, and i mean as close to "exact" as you can get, pov on this as me. best of luck with spreading your words, and i hope one day people won't be so lost and sheepish so there won't be a need for video's like this in the future.
@--Justin--
@--Justin-- 9 месяцев назад
My ex of 6 years has a trans sibling, who had a lot of trans friends. I got to know quite a few trans people very well during that time. They never complained, they never caused conflict, they never blamed anyone for anything, they just hung out together and made the best of things. People messed with them a bit for no reason, but they just got on with their lives. It's important to remember that there's some regular everyday trans people just trying to make the best of things that are also being hurt by the trans activists.
@danteleone2787
@danteleone2787 9 месяцев назад
A furry…. Or a sheep. What a head.
@danipunta3224
@danipunta3224 9 месяцев назад
This would be excellent examples for an English Language Essay
@Lunacyofficial
@Lunacyofficial 9 месяцев назад
Great work my friend 💪🏼
@bull1890
@bull1890 9 месяцев назад
As a qualified plumber, I think I'm experienced enough to contribute that a leaky tap will soon turn into an expensive water bill.
@philthy302
@philthy302 9 месяцев назад
Dammmn son! You on the money with this one
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
🤝🏻
@TheOriginalJAX
@TheOriginalJAX 9 месяцев назад
Here is what you do, Refuse to use their pronouns but make the point afterwards of refusing to address them with any pronoun at all as it is nit required to engage in conversation. You are neither acknowledging or Ignoring their usage of pronouns you are simply just not engaging with it. It puts the ball right back in their court and creates a dilemma for them, be nonchalant about it too just to crank up the difficulty for them.
@madisonmmurphy
@madisonmmurphy 9 месяцев назад
Excellent video Richard, this format is great for building a well-articulated and constructed argument. I especially like the way you came to the conclusion about speaking up and listening to the voice of truth, be it your own voice of reason or from God. To see our police protecting tyrants and suppressing people who ask questions, such as yourself, is alarming. "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
@jacoblank6223
@jacoblank6223 9 месяцев назад
When you mention the voice of god, are you saying that god says that trans people shouldn’t exist?
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Beautiful (and very pertinent) quote there, thanks for sharing. And thanks for the support. One of the things I'm trying to make people realise is how the individual's lies (explicit and of omission) are what, at base, give rise to state-level corruption and degeneration. Micro pathology bleeds into the macro. When you know that, and believe it, you realise that EVERYONE (you and I included) has a (divine? sacred?) responsibility to think deeply, to think critically, and to speak their minds forthrightly with a deep-seated commitment to truth-seeking and sense-making in service of the highest possible Good.
@nickweidemann3113
@nickweidemann3113 9 месяцев назад
Good lord but you are brilliant mate. Thanks for this - you laid it out so perfectly.
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate you 🤝
@Deathaven
@Deathaven 9 месяцев назад
Hate speech is not real, it is for people who want control of others. The pronoun game is pure narcissist behaviour to make them selves feel good. And men who wear dresses out in public are living out a sexual fetish and nothing more.
@icedude_907
@icedude_907 5 месяцев назад
This is quite a powerful video I feel as though through this channel I've seen the transformation of a person
@ryzadel
@ryzadel 9 месяцев назад
Quality video mate absolutely spot on
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Much appreciated, amigo
@jimmyobrien8738
@jimmyobrien8738 9 месяцев назад
What is a pig? A. Policeman😂
@seekingofpurposeness4621
@seekingofpurposeness4621 9 месяцев назад
I really do like your videos but i dont think i've ever been told/asked by anyone in Australia to call them by specific pronouns
@aaron.3101
@aaron.3101 9 месяцев назад
What a video, fantastic job rich!
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Thank you, brother
@Janika-xj2bv
@Janika-xj2bv 9 месяцев назад
You're one brave young man. Thank you
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for supporting me and the channel 🤝🏻
@infinitelyexhausted
@infinitelyexhausted 9 месяцев назад
It's surprising how many people haven't twigged onto this yet. And if people don't believe that these "victims" could be any harm - just look how BLM Chicago acted in the aftermath of the Israeli massacre (spoiler - fully in support of it).
@reverse_thursday
@reverse_thursday 8 месяцев назад
You've got a sound head on your shoulders mate, it's hard to find common sense and self reflection these days.
@FactFilesYT.
@FactFilesYT. 9 месяцев назад
We need you to go out to the isreal vs palestine protest and get a couple interviews going
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Editing an episode as we speak/type
@FactFilesYT.
@FactFilesYT. 9 месяцев назад
@@CommonGroundConversations 🤝
@Mitchell_is_smart._You2bs_dumb
@Mitchell_is_smart._You2bs_dumb 9 месяцев назад
did bingAI write this? it loves to write 1 idea 3 times in a row with slightly different sentence structure. i know it sure pads run time. im hoping there is better content here, this is just my first video
@CS-nd2mu
@CS-nd2mu 9 месяцев назад
even says "in closing" with almost a third of the video left
@Mitchell_is_smart._You2bs_dumb
@Mitchell_is_smart._You2bs_dumb 9 месяцев назад
@@CS-nd2mu i didn't get that far. but I did find an interview with buck angel that kinda redeemed the channel
@yaduvarma9854
@yaduvarma9854 9 месяцев назад
I m a somewhat liberal guy... I m compassionate enough to feel for problems one face as a Transgender and my natural instincts is to accomodate them... But at the same time , I believe being Trans is an unfortunate condition and not something to be normalized... I dont want my Children or any one in my blood line to be a trans... So I dont want anyone telling my kids that Gender should be explored...
@FO0TMinecraftPVP
@FO0TMinecraftPVP 9 месяцев назад
Social media is making it seem like a trend, don't let your kids go on social media too young.
@bankmanager
@bankmanager 9 месяцев назад
Do you feel the same way about sexuality? Should children be hidden from the reality that gay - or in this case, trans - people exist?
@yaduvarma9854
@yaduvarma9854 9 месяцев назад
@@bankmanager Yeah , my general feeling towards gay is similar to my feeling towards Trans.... I have no problem with how they conduct their business , But I don't agree with their ideology that Gender or Sexuality are supposed to be explored by 'Everyone!' and don't want anyone teaching my children otherwise.. I don't prefer that any of my children or bloodline to be gay either... For obvious reasons...
@yaduvarma9854
@yaduvarma9854 9 месяцев назад
@@bankmanager No , In this day and age , there is no way I can hide my children from the fact that Gay and Trans exist nor is that my intention... I will just explain to my kids that there are people who have those unfortunate/abnormal conditions and they live their life their way... I will ask my children to be compassionate, But definitely NOT view this as a lifestyle choice to be explored but rather as a condition that's unfortunate..
@bankmanager
@bankmanager 9 месяцев назад
@@yaduvarma9854 do you think that a child knowing that some people are gay makes them more likely to be gay?? That is certainly a claim. As for it being a "lifestyle choice", could you choose to be gay from tomorrow? Do you think people have any control over what their body and mind tells them they are attracted to? It's an entirely different discussion if you're making the claim that homosexual people shouldn't engage in any sexuality activity because of X, Y, and Z, but you seem to be imagining it as a choice of what they feel. So could you decide you were gay from tomorrow? Or would you just be a straight person pretending to be gay?
@AyAngelchillfoo1315
@AyAngelchillfoo1315 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for speaking the truth in these times
@deeegeeekay
@deeegeeekay 9 месяцев назад
Great video and I’m only 5 mins in. Please keep saying the things people hate to hear, only way we’re gonna get better
@jacoblank6223
@jacoblank6223 9 месяцев назад
If he’s saying things people hate to hear then why do you like it?
@deeegeeekay
@deeegeeekay 9 месяцев назад
@@jacoblank6223 Because if the majority agreed with this, then the video wouldn’t have needed to be made. I don’t want to blatantly say i’m the minority as it comes off as “i know so much more than everyone”, but that’s what going on. people are afraid to speak out against these topics for the reasons he listed, and i’m a fan of him not caring, continuing to ask the questions people don’t want to answer (again, for the reasons listed in the video), and showing what backlash he receives from doing so.
@metgirl5429
@metgirl5429 9 месяцев назад
Are people just stupid I will not comply …….🕊🙏🏻🕊
@TheRecklessDark
@TheRecklessDark 9 месяцев назад
Those police officers most likely agree with him deep down however - they just want to get paid and go home. It is much easier for them to peacefully move along a calm, rational individual than it is to try and argue with a verbally aggressive group of unhinged professional victims.
@michaelhuber8638
@michaelhuber8638 9 месяцев назад
So did the guard in a concentration camp "only his work".
@chefcamsey1375
@chefcamsey1375 9 месяцев назад
❤❤
@Antoinettec-vh1wb
@Antoinettec-vh1wb 9 месяцев назад
👏🏼
@GingerSaiyan
@GingerSaiyan 9 месяцев назад
Rich I’ve got to say the production quality of your videos and your evocative writing style are getting better and better exponentially! I hope to see you continue growing and spreading this message in a way that only you can. I’d suggest in keeping with the channels original theme it could be good to also poke holes in the arguments put forward by the christian conservatives on this issue, since a lot of the silent majority of leftist/woke people form their opinions in direct opposition to christian conservative viewpoints rather than taking each issue individually. I think you bring the most value to the discussion when you’re bridging the gap between two polar opposite stances! Keep up the great work brother!
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate your support and insights 🤝🏻
@sara_g1010
@sara_g1010 9 месяцев назад
In a way, maybe it is positive that not that many people watch these. So many have been cancelled for less.
@thelan3132
@thelan3132 9 месяцев назад
El essay topic
@moxie2037
@moxie2037 9 месяцев назад
Bro I was at family dinner on full volume…..
@BenRudd-ll8nf
@BenRudd-ll8nf 9 месяцев назад
Bloody good video keep em' coming
@JacobKasza
@JacobKasza 9 месяцев назад
This guys videos are great
@StandardLoop
@StandardLoop 9 месяцев назад
Good video
@matthewwhite8470
@matthewwhite8470 9 месяцев назад
Love your channel bro may be wrong but this seems like a new style of video than your irl common ground vids? Love it mate keep it up 🙌🏻❤️
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Dropping a new one this week. Israel or Palestine...
@matthewwhite8470
@matthewwhite8470 9 месяцев назад
@@CommonGroundConversations this is gunna be a good one 🔥
@brooklynowen1048
@brooklynowen1048 9 месяцев назад
Great stuff
@jimmyobrien8738
@jimmyobrien8738 9 месяцев назад
Ok i watched this video rich jackson in full, why would you pronoun buck angel the wrong way
@AntonioLulei
@AntonioLulei 5 месяцев назад
I unintentionally stopped watching his content for a few months, and now i come back only to find just another annoying dumbass proclaiming he is the "alpha male"
@AntonioLulei
@AntonioLulei 5 месяцев назад
In a few months he'll probably have some exorbitantly priced pyramid scheme, for all the tatertots in his fanbase
@vvwalker7261
@vvwalker7261 9 месяцев назад
Great video
@ctrlshftep
@ctrlshftep 9 месяцев назад
thumbnail looks like bad makeup
@NativeNewMexican
@NativeNewMexican 9 месяцев назад
Defamation laws are not how you solve falsehood spreading. The solution for that is fraud law.
@CS-nd2mu
@CS-nd2mu 9 месяцев назад
Who pays all these 'professional victims' anyway? Not too recently being gay was considered a mental issue - how is being trans so different? This video is all emotional appeal and no evidence to give it weight #propaganda
@AnthonyBSusan
@AnthonyBSusan 8 месяцев назад
This is a false equivalence. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate issues. There is no evidence that homosexuality is a mental disorder; meanwhile some people with gender identity disorder are depressed to the point of considering suicide because of biological reality. “No evidence” Um...did you not see the clip of someone telling him his words are killing people?
@iampdv
@iampdv 9 месяцев назад
Shame I've liked this video first few minutes in - could like it at the end! Brilliant speech!
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Legend 🤝🏻
@csongorkeszi1036
@csongorkeszi1036 9 месяцев назад
This guy is insane, very good video, keep it up! We have to deliver it to more people!
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
My guy 🤝🏻
@HardcoreMontages
@HardcoreMontages 9 месяцев назад
This is fucking fantastic.
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate you 🤝🏻
@sinkorswim416
@sinkorswim416 9 месяцев назад
Actual question should be “does hate speech exist?” The answer, no.
@chickenporkadob0
@chickenporkadob0 9 месяцев назад
nothing new to what you're saying.
@shravanmohan3644
@shravanmohan3644 9 месяцев назад
banger video mate.
@CommonGroundConversations
@CommonGroundConversations 9 месяцев назад
Thank you, amigo 🤝🏻
@harrijames6228
@harrijames6228 9 месяцев назад
The fact this is even a conversation, is baffling to me. Its ridiculous.
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