Heated debate on gender pronouns and free speech in Toronto 

Exactly

You got it! This is all madness. It's unhealthy and dangerous.

the worst part about is that polticians who have no idea what "gender studies" are just listen to people who call themselves "expert" and they just pass of these laws thinking it makes them look like they're the good guys protecting minorities even if its absurd

Not really he said he used those words if somonea said

Lmao his speech is incoherent and his views are Christian conservatism. You just like him because he makes your bigotry sound fancy

Lol, sound liberal logic there bud!!! 😂

Lmfao

im so using that quote. thanks so much

@@joepearson6963 You're welcome

lol, love it!

Do you think it is acceptable for a white person to say the “n” word? Or to swear in front of children?

@@aquaticats7118 As was already pointed out in the debate it is not the same thing. Forcing the use pronouns outside the norms for a given language is compelled speech. No one is suggesting you be forced to use the racial epithet "n" word. Not allowing it's use is anti-discrimination and the opposite of forcing you to use it.

​@@aquaticats7118How about if we tell the trans people to get lost. It would be win/win. They won't have to be misgendered, and normal people won't have to put up with the audacity of a group of prima donnas trying to dictate our language

It is also accepting a delusional fallacy as "factual" or correct, which is wrong!

@@aquaticats7118 yes

Hes lucky he is living in times where common sense is percived as something we need to teach our kids so it seems talking logic is a feat of bravery

@lizahoaran8892 Finally, a sensible comment. Of course, that's something I completely agree with

lol. Can confirm.

Do you guys have trans ?? If the answer is yes , just give it some time they'll want to be different

@@walterveliz4361 bloke or sheila or even half n half, you can still chuck mate around.

Walter Veliz lol they accept mate hope that doesn’t change

Stolen comment

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Ricky Stecz yes .03℅ is very small amount. The SJW types became permanent Victimhood types. A small minority should never be able to dictate society, yes these small minority are different, all they should get is dignity and respect and not be on the news every night.

thanks. I stand corrected.

*0.3%

please , the trans persons need to speak about this subject and show support to Jordan B Peterson. Please he need all the support availabe , and if its from transexuals it give him a realy strong force to stand against this policy

Was that a she?? 😂

​@@SirSmokeAlot8866Perhaps it was a they, or an it or maybe just a clown🤨

No...that was a man. He dressed as a man. And wanted to be seen as a man. Myself I am Earth born but identify as Alpha Centauri.....when people call me human or earth man I take great offence. Alpha centauri are totally different.....please refer to me from now on as Centauri.....or Alpha Centauri.....I dress like a human...but my mind and soul is Alpha Centauri.....please refer to me as Gulacknohymbriding mass badandglyho bum as a pronoun.

@@SirSmokeAlot8866 *it

nonbinary falls under the transgender "umbrella"

It is called them not knowing what these words mean

That was literally my first thought when I heard that statement

Smartest radical leftist

It's not contradictory.

The trans non bianary on the right reminds me of Ellen...

And those who ask for tolerance and acceptance. Give cero tolerance and acceptance to everyone and themselves

I tell people “just because you’re a nice person does not mean you’re a good person”

Everyone has a hypocrite in them imo.

@@ThomasBolt and Ellen is a man !

@@joshuasexton4170 The thing is pronouns are not respect. You cannot demand respect it is earned, if you force respect it's no longer respect its subjugation. If someone chooses not to use your pronouns then fine, move on and ignore them they aren't hurting you so just move on. The point is less than 1% of the population shouldn't get a law forcing the other 99% to use insane pronouns or be punished by the government if you don't. And yes, some people who ID as the other gender do have a mental illness. Some do it because they are uncomfortable for no particular reason. Others do it for attention. Point is this is blatantly infringing on freedom of speech and If this stuff became law whats to stop them from forcing other outrageous things getting taken away? I shouldn't be forced to use zir or ze, i should use what i think fits for ease of categorization and Identification of someone and if they don't like then too bad, i have the right to say what i want even if it's not popular or necessarily right.

Corporal punishment was banished and self entitled freaks think they can run society.

@@deltagearadvanced5140 you're absolutely right

My pronoun of choice is llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, any bastard who misrepresents/mispronounces my choice of pronoun will be sued.

I heard about this crazy stuff. We shouldn't really try to enable them or soon they will break the english language lol. Then other languages need to be reform just because of this, thank GOD if they don't. It will only cause headache for everyone, except for "them" of course.

It takes a brave, honest person to admit that they were duped at one point in life. I have made numerous mistakes myself and been duped so much so that I now believe nobody until I can confirm what they say with well established facts.

it's actually way lower than 1% hahahah, but i get your point.

thats also how capitalism works, except its by the inherent convincing power of money, not by legislation

@@OdinZockt yeah, but they earn that money

@@walberparker7111 ive never stated something different

@Legenden but look at scandinavian countries for healthy socialism. Or you need a more binary reality?

Thanks SIR John!

Very well said, you cleared this rediculas discussion up in one sentence!!

And that's what the dirtbag left want: everything in government is going to be determined by someone's feelings.

You're God damn right sir!!!

Says it all, simple and elegant.

Besides the moderator, I only saw one man.

Oooo! Well said! 🌟

It's a fact that facts don't care about feelings. (As exactly how it should be.)

@@dilshanaoki7493 -Ben shapiro

and fact dont care about feelings

Every word is made up.

@The Girl but unfortunately that is the whole point... they are. This crap is already real which is why Peterson is fighting the good fight.

I agree with you, in spirit. But I can't help but point out that all words are invented.

+The Girl Sure you can. First, you jail the dissenters. If that doesn't work, hang a few of them publicly as an example to others who value their "free speech".

The Girl the ze, Zim, ey sounds like they are trying to speak German.

What????

Haha! You need to become shwe and hwe now. Forget results and try to have more genders instead.

Yes it’s sad especially since these idiotic confused people are labeled as progressive... when there are real problems that still exists and are prevalent today. Yet over entitled morons want to fight over what words people address them by when people are still starving. (Progression)

You said that.

America has run out of problems And this the type of stuff they want to project on other cultures

@@eyadsy6208 *The west as a whole

Haven’t you

He’s just representing what most of us who still have a brain feel like

Well he's in rehab for abusing meth now. Funny how things work out.

@@derekbarrientos561 Yeah, it was meth and adderall. The news was leaked months ago. Peterson used meth and then tried to supplement it with adderal and other stimulants. Bad move. Wonder why he did it.

At least he's now braindead and we don't have to care about him anymore

lmao

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You are not one of the chosen - He is Jordan B Peterson to you

He wasn’t even using his second form?

And you know by power he means competence.

Being on TV with Jordan Peterson is probably that "other person's" claim to fame lol

because he's problematic and craves attention lol

@@meganstanwood3376 All he’s done is come out and have an opinion. The reason he’s so contentious is because of the people who attack him just for speaking up.

@@meganstanwood3376 i really wonder if you have listened to his videos or to his points because he isnt problematic and his advice helped a lot of people

@@wrestlar3246 very true. The left made him famous, by calling him out on 1 thing and losing debates on everything

Awesome quote

@@Bannysadkosays2u that is more or less the quote, i may have messed up the grammar a bit. But either who or that will get the point across.

Mr. Silver ..”newspeak” -1984

@@carolynolsen132 so essentially the complete devolution of language, did i understand that correctly?

George Orwell was a socialist who would've hated Jordan Peterson, as is evident from his writing

Well, far left is lunacy.

Well you can't deny the left brought up and even encourage these insanities all the time right?

The left is the only side with sane people still.

That's what "left vs right" has always been lol

llmitateVince you just said it's not left vs right and then just defined it perfectly...

I couldn't agree more. Language is always dynamic and is always changing in a NATURAL WAY. You can't just force something into a language's grammar. Words are okay since they are just a matter of singular and plural, or gender in some languages. But a Pronoun? That's a whole new level. You have to mess with the language's grammar and structure. We cannot call those people male/female, therefore we cannot use boy/girl, or man/woman... Is a newborn or a 1 to 4-year-old boy or girl able to decide what pronoun they want to be referred to? What about grammar? Adjectives, adverbs, objects, sentence structures, demonstrative pronouns, possessive pronouns, plural and singular forms, verb conjugation in all tenses, vocatives, declinations, and so on. Those people are delusional. Some demand to be referred to as they/them/their. Uh-uh, shouldn't it be they/them/their/THEIRS/THEMSELF/THEMSELVES? The pronoun "they" is the 3rd-person plural. So it means that they don't have a singular pronoun? That single person is always a collective? Since "they" is plural, when referring to a trans-woman, we should say "They are over here!" Then, let's be consistent and do it right. You cannot just pick a pronoun and that's it. You MUST do it accordingly: - DO Betty cook? HAVE Sean done their homework? DO THESE Carl PEOPLE know English? - ARE Meghan doing okay? Shawn HEARTS BEAT very fast. Hanah MAKE things for THEMSELVES. - Dylan? THOSE PEOPLE? I do not want to talk to THEM. Lol, it's easy to think it is all about just picking a pronoun and having people refer to you by it. But there's a thing called GRAMMAR. Let's just stop this nonsense and let language follow its course as it has always been. Should new pronouns appear, language itself will naturally take care of them and all of their grammar rules by itself. Every single word there is today has evolved/derived from others. You cannot just create a word (pronouns, in this case) out of nowhere and that's it. What about etymology, morphology, phonetics, and phonology? Peer said that just in NY there are 31 new "gender identifications." What if each one decides to create a new pronoun? We will have 31 new pronouns. Should I organize my Contacts by pronouns now?

Nice

How dare you use "his" to identify yourself!! Lmao

@@cezarstimepieces7595 look, either you call me using my prounouns or i'll file a complaint against you. His majesty pls.

@@sanskarsinha8197 thanks lmao

@@adamgoujdami7168 🤣🤣👌

Amen to that!

That’s an iconic and timeless quote if I ever heard one

That is so true in today's world.

Never more true then today

One of the most genial quotes i've ever heard. I'd do well to remember it.

Prove it instead of being a little Motherf-cker who belies in myths that get debunked 2 seconds after they are tolllddd. Dont be a babbyyyyy, be a grownnuuppp

@@nenmaster5218don’t you have “safe space” you should be at right now?

I identify as an island guy My pronouns are Alo/ha

I identify as a non-binary obese diabetic

@@Ryan-ze9fz and your pronouns are?

@@khalifalbilal3141 shi/it

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Hahahaha

Ohhh, your phone is very offensive. Hahaha

Shhh - lets not put that info out there to be noted by the ignoramuses

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Funny

Shmueli my pronouns are “the great one” and “your grace”

I'm sorry you are offended your highness...allow me to work an additional 40 hours this week and pay that to someone who does not or is unwilling to work.

@Benjamin riggs and outdoors &A that is not correct German

@Benjamin riggs and outdoors &A True ;) As a German, I appreciate the effort.

I don't have a pronoun there for you can't speak to me because I only speak when called by my pronoun

Very nice humor 👏👍👍💕

wow so funny! it's almost like this joke hasn't been made 5000000 times

haliwud24 lol

👏👏👏 Very good joke!!

wow edgy

They are narrow minded, have no respect for themselves or their God or his ways

Man stop😂

No...never stop...never

haha this is brilliantly funny

You sir are a man of pure culture.

Damn this guy is woke af

Jordan Peterson simply brings the facts.

And justifying it

Exactly 💯

All ofpp pp ofpp pp pp llpp pp pp pp pp p pp pp pp pp pp pppp P

Don’t say most of us because that’s absolutely NOT true.

And it's always staying the same ❤

exactly "freedom" these sjws dont understand actual freedom

That is probably the thing which this discussion is all about. But the catalyst in this case is the opposing underlying values: truth OR compassion. You can't do both all the time, but is required to excercise the two in order to be balanced human being. True compassion can only be reached by truth. You have to say what is on your mind otherwise you compromise your OWN integrity. And values are up for a change only through conversation. This tool how to address them is introduced by force. And the sad thing is this whole situation going to hurt the LGBTQ-ETC people the most.

If addressing a gender deviant 'wrongly' with "he" or "she" by their opinion, we can accurately state they are heterophobic

Am mostly w/Petereater on this one. When the other Peet or Peterwhatever mentioned discrimination at zee bank (9:33), getting zer's funds frozen because ze is "trying" to steal from zeself, well, that's a problem. And it looks like I'm joking around, but I'm not. Just because you sliced your manhood off, you should still be able to get your money out of your bank. I mean we're adults, here, aren't we?

No! I _demand_ that you call me "your highness", henceforth! I will _sue you_ if you do not comply!

yep, i second that! made me cringe when i heard too

Do you know what fascism means?

Solomon Bundy sure do.

hey I saw you on an o&a comment thing, that 69 was delicious.

april faawwls!!

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We have a winner!!! Hahahaha

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Nice stolen comment 🗿

Yes.. compunctuous frasmosis can certainly lead to anaspeptic pericombobulation

Yes, unfortunately ten years ago we only had to imagine it--now we get to see it. And it's gone beyond words . . . this is grammar. They actually want to dictate our grammar. I'm sorry, but no!

And thereby offended many, many more people in the process! Ironic, I'd say...

Imagine instead of going to therapy to figure out why you are offended by ridiculous things you force the whole outside world to change through legislation so that you never have to face your psychological issues.

tn369 in other words, insanity?

Okay, folks?

ben shapiro

Ok this is epic

Just like biology and chromosomes don't care either

I find it ironic people like this have that mindset

He's the doctor who doesn't realize the staff were killed long ago and that mental patients are running the show.

Considering the amount of water he drinks... I think he's Dangerously Sober.

Person A hates and is prejudiced towards Transgender people. Law C16 makes it illegal for them not to call them Zei, Zee, Princess PP or whatever they demand. Person A now hates Transgender people twice as much and is twice as prejudiced towards them. Own goal losers

he seems like the guy to try and talk about psychology and philosophy at a party full of drunks, while hes drunk.

here in Germany we don't have any plans for gender pronouns nor do any gender pronouns exist afaik. If I see a transgender person, which happens pretty rarely, I guess if it's rather a male or female. I never met a dude who couldn't identify as male or female. In the end your chromosomes are what makes you male, female or intersexual.

This generation is so weak and I’m ashamed I’m part of it

If we don't have gender names then male and female wouldn't count seeing as they are genders too

@Tejas Khurana We want 70's

Its absurd.

It's madness

Joshthecholo underrrated comment

lmao

How does this not have a thousand likes lmaooo

This needs to have a few hundred thousand likes.. I added mine.

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Sounds like German ngl

I identify as a two-spirit gender neutral lagoon triggerfish that’s missing its left pectoral fin 😎

@@ohasis8331 my friend uses xe

@@ohasis8331 what does that mean

@@ohasis8331 oh ok

LOL :-))))))))

Sooooo funny lmao

Well, apparently we're in the future now...

LOL

Seen this comment before on another video

Brad Bassett there are now 37 genders . Inflation

right? smh...get flipping REAL already

Ha ha ha ha lol

I know right?? I can barely remember 2..

Apparently it’s up in the 70’s now just thought I would update you :)

Mr Knarf well said

- Mr Knarf, 2020

Very well put. Big up

High five, buddy

that's well said

So what you’re saying is, if I’m not offending you I’m not capable of thought?

True, but at least Jordan Peterson doesn't disguise being mean as being honest like the likes of Ben Shapiro do. Peterson is a very mature man, and that's why I like him.

D S lmao

@@DS-gk2ri I suspect you are incapable already.

Abhishek Ramesh It’s just a little joke referring to the Cathy Newman interview, you pathetic wretch.

Did you just assume they are sentient being that is alive? You farting white male! Oh, and I bet you are straight, REEEEEEEEEE!

You know that south park episode where those ppl come from the future speaking all weird, this is the start of it

Ján Chovanec REEEEEEEEEEEE

yee, haw...

Um. Flying cars were a thing. I remember Popular Mechanics ran at least 2 articles on them. Newspeak on the other hand, well...

I can't take anyone claiming to be 'non-binary' seriously.

Really like what does that even mean? It's absurd.

This would be comedy here!

Guy's just a giant zero, so I guess that does make him non-binary.

"There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't." -someone who understood binary

@Alex Jones youre joking right

@Alex Jones you're a riot!

@@burnneblograv46 dude. Yes he's joking. He was being sarcastic

@@lettd0wn hard to tell. Specially with feminist

@@burnneblograv46 you spelt 'friendly' incorrectly in your channel description

on point

is that from crime and punishment ?

That is gold.

I wish I could give that quote a thousand thumbs up.

The best thing I have read in a while

They let him speak and present his point of view ... don't see a problem.

^ yeah for real. They regularly criticize the Liberal government that increased the CBC's funding. Generally I find CBC does a good job reporting the news neutrally, and I'm no liberal supporter either. Take off the tin foil hats, folks.

COYG19 tin foil hats is what youtube is all about; it gives insane people a place to inreact

A show called The Agenda has less of an agenda than CBC. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

SmartGuy202 I used to like the cbc and thought it was fairly honest. I almost have to keep an airsickness bag near me these days if it's on

Your just such a snowflake you cant reven finish the Peterson-Exposing of 'Some More News' here on RU-vid. Shows how manly and grown-up you are, huhh?

Fanmail Only also Australia the only sane countries

That's just as bad, if not worse.

Most accurate thing I've ever read.

It’s quite egalitarian

In Soviet Russia everyone is just called “comrade”. Problem solved!

Y A your majesty, have a good day.

Y A sorry that's already been taken by me... I'm also one of the thousands of people that was Cleopatra in a past life ;)

NICE - love it!

Gold

AND EVEN IF U PUT THIS TO THEM THEY WOULD REFUSE TO SEE THEIR OWN HYPOCRISY WHEN THEY REFUSE TO RESPECT OUR ROYAL HIGHNESS YOUR MAJESTY. ITS SO ANNOYING WHEN ONE GROUP COMPLAIN ABOUT OPPRESSION THAT IS IN THEIR MINDS YET ARE BLIND TO SEE THEY ARE THE OPPRESSORS

Well it is appropriate to laugh at ridiculous nonsensical things

Same LOL

The thing is some people actually thing that is a thing

god damn it.. why the hell it is so funny LOL..

Dude same! and its 3am lamao!

Cause Jordan's critics were bullied in childhood, so they're hell bent on taking out their anger on anyone they deem as a bully. They're living in disneyland with no real struggle to fight for. If all of them take up something hard such as boxing they'll just really forget about their pronouns.

Peterson is a smart guy. So why did he so comically misinterpret that bill?

@@pulpficti He is not misinterpreting, that bill open doorways for language monitoring. You can go to jail for being politically incorrect and nobody wants that.

@@captainfatbat9557 so what's an example someone going to jail for because he said sth that's politically incorrect? What law would that be?

@@pulpficti That's the whats coming to Canada soon if this gets passed. Required by legislature to use proper pronouns. REQUIRED.

Thank you for your support ♥️♥️♥️

Well to be fair the person in the middle remained pretty neutral

the thing about Peterson is that you can barely confuse him. He has such focus even when the question directed at him is pure gibberish he is able to slice through to the core and lay it out openly. Listening to Peterson is like listening to pure harmony. I admire him for his language and his concentration and I know I dont have that regardless how much i want to

They? It was a debate against 1 person. The other person is the moderator

@@jackieeeap2 awww that’s all you could say. 😂😂😂😂

Yes you did. I was there. Not fun times.

I THINK I MISSED THAT TOO.

@The Unicorn Of Whats Not Happening Now It did a pretty good job there for a while. Thing is rulers eventually realized they could circumvent it, first Henry the 8th and then others. After that, it was man's law first and religion second, at least in Europe.

@@christineadams2256 Nope. Sort of? Tbh it's not necessarily even sociology. Gender Studies exists because it wants to operate outside the standards of investigation and rationality that Sociology uses. Gender Studies doesn't have its own methodology yet so most conclusions it comes to are just validated based on its own flawed logic.

bjjpath true

Exactly. That's what it's all abount. Setting a precedent that opens a door to future irrational legislative measures.

Exactly. People can't see the forest through the trees and believe the government taking only an inch is just that. This applies to EVERYTHING the government does with the obvious example we see with covid

Don't be sorry if you didn't do anything wrong.

@@andreadanker8761 this is an irrational legislation that could lead to more irrational legislation. That’s what they meant.

@@raredays2767 Having to call someone the proper name is irrational 🤬🤬🤬

One day you will understand that truth is very important

@Linus Arvidsson absolutely

Truth is more valuable than kindness. These people don't realize or care that by making me change the words that I use, they are taking away MY FREEDOM. Keep your hands off my freedom, or I will come at you. All men should be free to say whatever, do whatever, so long as their actions cause no harm physically, or to the property or to he basic rights of the individual. Political correctness is a slippery slope people. To those offended by my use of the word man, man is an interchangeable word. It can refer to a male, or to the huMAN race. Keep your political correctness away from my freedom.

I am a huge fan of J.P. but he is wrong on this one. You must have both truth and kindness (love). Truth without kindness (love) is nothing more than a club. Kindness (love) without truth is nothing more than moral relativism leading to chaos. If they are not utilized together then J.P.'s truth that is "more valuable" than kindness cannot exist as it has no purpose. Truth does not stand on its own but must be connected to real-life interaction and application and how we live or it is a useless truth. The statement, it is true that kindness is better, proves my point. If truth is more valuable then that statement is empty, not requiring application. If kindness is more valuable, then we cannot determine if being kind is better, truly. But together the statement and the action communicate a truth that requires action, and an action that defines what is true. And that is the simple truth, and I say that with the utmost kindness. :D

@@rjeffes Ryan mate kindness is an emotion which is important to have, however truth is something separate, it has to do with things like honour and integrity also factual information, and as such we must bring our feelings into line with the truth.