Keir Starmer unveils Labour's election manifesto | PoliticsJOE reacts 

As a teacher myself, let me tell you, there’s no fixing it anymore, we’re past the point of no return, we need to double budgets and find a load of teachers out of nowhere

Teacher here. The entry requirements are already lowered with programs like tech first. In fact, in academies you can now just walk in. And, honestly, that’s part of the problem. The job is increasingly become dumbed down, and teacher autonomy is being removed because people don’t have strong subject knowledge. Hours need to be reduced, class sizes reduced, and flexible planning hours/ PPA days are what’s needed. And pay needs to be increased. The issue is the job is too emotionally and physically demanding.

I was a teacher. Do NOT reduce the qualifications. Teaching is way harder than it looks. They should just make the pgce's fully funded for all subjects. Teaching is way harder than people think and the qualifications shouldn't be dropped. Perhaps a better idea would be for more apprenticeship type systems. The pgce is very intensive and you can't earn anything while doing it.

What's the point of training more teachers when so many quit after 2-3 years. Surely labour should be doing something about teachers work load to encourage them to stay in the job longer

Reliance on supply staff is trap and a scam - which is not due in any way to the work the supply staff themselves do, but rather a major problem with supply agencies. The agencies charge big overheads on the staff they provide, whilst at the same time forcing schools/councils to agree to contracts that inflict massive 'finders fees' on the school should they wish to employ the supply worker on a permanent basis.

I am still in the Labour party. I am wavering concerning continued membership. When the actual manifesto comes out I will read it and decide whether I stay in the party I joined because I found child poverty unbearable. I'm no longer convinced that the party will do anything to make it better.

R.I.P - Bernard Hill

Oh come on guys! This is hardly a manifesto. You may question the gimmik or the content, but to call it 'the unveiling of the manifesto' is premature at best, misleading at worst.

Ava ran the clip for a second episode in a row, Oli’s authority is irrevocably compromised

Starmer Starmer Starmer Starmer Starmer Chameleon!

Arise now, arise, Riders of Théoden! Dire deeds awake: dark is it eastward. Let horse be bridled, horn be sounded! Forth Eorlingas![1] Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter! Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor

Look forward to hearing about the next manifesto in a couple of weeks yeah?

HBDSH!

But it’s NOT the manifesto.

You can see Starmer and Reeves doing a Cameron and Osborne style austerity package that ordinary people will pay for. They’re already making loud and constant noises about lack of funds.

Please can you link to the episode on Great British Energy, i can't seem to find it. Thanks

GPs need to be open on a weekend or past 6pm. Shouldn't have to book annual leave for a GP appointment, or fork out for a private appointment - who already cover out of hours appointments. There wouldn't need to be a huge increase in staffing due to a large proportion of appointments being spread across the more convient times.

One new teacher per 8 schools. Very ambitious.

Despite my intention to vote Labour in the upcoming election, I agree that there is a real lack of clarity surrounding these pledges. They seem inherently irrelevant, concerned with a cosmetic appeal that reflects an overwhelming desire for power rather than creating policies that are pragmatic. The notion of funding these policies seems to have escaped the minds of the Labour elite and logistics seem like a thorn the side of electability. During a recession, the enduring cost of living crisis, post-Brexit problems and global, economic concerns it would be nice to hear less soundbites and more about the implementation of policies and their usefulness. Yes, the idea of paying for additional overtime to tackle the backlog of NHS appointments is an unworkable, sticking plaster that doesn't address the ongoing issue of persistent under-staffing.

Continuity Tory government, more of the same, papering over the cracks, 'there is no money', etc. That's the gist of it.

curious that nobody mentioned that he said 75% of investment for great british energy will come from the private sector- ie it will therefore not in fact be owned by the public

I think letting anyone walk in and teach kids would further de-professionalise the role. One of our biggest bugbears is that we're no longer taken seriously as a profession. The quality of teaching is low because we don't receive anywhere near adequate training and dropped in after a year to teach five classes of 32. Many teachers still believe in "learning styles" and Dweck's "growth mindset", never mind deploy effective teaching informed by current evidence.

Red tories.

He's changed his mind on every pledge so far😂😂😂

As a former teacher, it felt like it was the support for teachers and children that needed to be improved. There was a 2 year waiting list to get CAMHs help for our school and a dyslexia test had to be done privately.

He has walked back loads of prior commitments around the £28 billion and workers rights. Why would this be different?

Do you folks have the concept of a "Canadian Tuxedo" I saw Oli at Oxford union in a Tux a half hour ago, but I cannot see below the table.

Wouldn’t Sunak love to say Stop The Votes

Underwhelming to realise Starmer is our only hope. Not the most inspiring individual in a time of much needed change.

Six vapid "steps" that are utterly inadequate

Hearing them talk football, actually made me cringe, I know it was supposed to but there was a extra layer of cringe

Me a secondary school teacher…did you know there are more qualified teachers in the uk than ever. Just a lot of them don’t work in teaching. Things that would help. 1. Funding for send schools and alternate provision 2. More funding for schools for teaching assistants, admin support staff for teachers 3. Change in attitudes- teachers aren’t trusted in the same way people in other professions are.

You need to create a commitment bonus scheme for teachers, if you’ve got a teacher who is active every two years pay them an extra 1000 pound for that year or say every three here’s a bonus

Bearing in mind that PGCE funding is done like undergrad funding so you don’t lose additional money from your take home like other post grad funding I cannot see how another bursary or other PGCE funding would help recruit and retain teachers. I was a teacher and I am one of the great many who left within 5 years due to conditions and workload. It wasn’t pay that mattered. I now work in social housing, I get paid about the same as a teacher in Wales with what would now be 8 years of experience (had I stayed) but my workload is a breeze in comparison.

Windfarm + wave power on sea in same area. Combine and benefit. Can you guys also link the 40min GB Energy interview video please?

No more illegal wars, works until you pass a law that says Rwanda is safe and the war is legal

The whole system needs to change, politicians not to linked to businessess, not having shares in government awarded company contracts and to actually work in the interest of the country instead of politicians pockets or pockets of there family, there need stamp out fraud, conflict of interest and corruption in politics that is clearly visable by the masses.

I hope they do cut of water and energy to Wales as we have a surplus of both here in Cymru 😂😂

So ending zero hour contracts, stopping channel crossers, making houses more affordable and preventing rich landlords from buying up homes and renting them out to multiple not-well-off young people are not part of your first steps in power Sir Keir?.... Still not got my vote yet then.

Goody goody more lovely promises which won’t come to pass does starmer take us all for clowns like himself

If Starmer/Labour wants to take a step towards earning my vote. It would be that Starmer resigns.

It's so depressing that our only hope is right wing Labour :(

The no-tie just reminds me of The Thick Of It😂😂

"I'm a socialist, and I'm wondering who to vote for..." "votes Starmer or gets Tories for 5 more years" "but" "OR TORIES"

deliver economic stability - Rejoin Single Market cut NHS waiting times - Restore Freedom of Movement recruit more teachers - Again, Restore Freedom of Movement set up a state owned energy company - or join the EU Internal Energy Market tackle antisocial behaviour - Reverse Brexit and the £140 Billion flushed down the toilet so far, and spend the money on communities instead.

England has already reduced the training required for teachers. This is not, in fact, the way to build a good workforce. Scotland has no problems with recruiting teachers - in fact, there is the opposite problem. So it should be pretty simple to find out what they're doing that means they can recruit, and copy that.

It wasn’t the manifesto, it was some talking points to get the ball rolling. It will be policies most likely to swing voters over to Labour, particularly in marginals.

As somebody in nhs … consultants are some of the biggest a$$holes you’ll see in the nhs…. If your ever on a ward and they are doing their rounds, watch how they interact with the other professions walking with them….. if you swapped nurses for consultants on the nhs posters we’d be hated in few hours …

As a newly qualified teacher who came into teaching later in the life, the Initial Teacher Training (PGCE for many) is woefully inadequate in preparing people which is why so many drop out. In school support is variable and so much time is spent on dealing with pupils making silly demands. Class sizes of 30 - 34 is ridiculous, and no mention of trying to get them down.

The amount of chemistry between these two! 😅

Evolved like a shit Pokémon is the best analogy I've heard for labour in years!

Nonsense policies from a politician that believes in nothing but winning

First conversation reminds me of the opening scene of a family guy episode in which Stewie grows a genetically perfect pig.

Listening along, thinking aww, it's that persons Birthday, Many Happy Returns! and then hear "so, point three" and I'm like did I just black out or just get hyper focused on someone's birthday?

On doggerbank, there are currently 3 wind farms that were at the procurement stage about 6 months ago, with a 4th in the planning stage and another being built by the Dutch - so it is happening, but I believe it’s currently a private enterprise rather than a government scheme

Happy Sean Day Sean.

That LOTR reference didn’t go unnoticed 😂 “A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises!”

I definitely don't think lowering the requirements to become a teacher should happen, but it should be easier to get onto a scheme to become one.

This isnt a manifesto, its more letting us know their long term plans, but are still keeping how we are gonna get there (short term plans) secret for now.

Teacher here, for me it's entirely about conditions. Reason i left was not due to pay, it's having to do an impossible job, whilst also being told you're failing (OFSTED needs to go). Add more teachers and Support staff and change the system itself. I always thought a more modular system where students choose a theme (letters, number, sciences, humanities etc) so they feel more empowered and are more motivated in most of their classes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; Dance while the record spins.

I left teaching after 5 years. I agree that the money is better spent on more support and (always overlooked) admin staff, as well as on alternative provision. I received one retention bursary but the second one wasn't enough to keep me in the job. I mean, I started a RU-vid channel and I still earn less than what I did as a teacher -- money isn't the issue, it's the workload and conditions.

The problem with teaching. (from a vetern teacher). The loss of support staff as mentioned above is a big problem. Others include: academies and free schools eroding conditons in teaching and often leading to staff leaving the profession. . (With their ideas and pratices spreading to state schools). Unions that aren't anywhere near vocal or aggressive enough in tackling either workload, pay or conditions. PPI contracts. Loss of large number of older teachers post covid with early retirement. Not enough funding in schools to deal with the widespread mental health problems of students. Burnout in the profession caused by excessive workload. Growth of executive headteachers and their pay. Long Covid in the profession. Inexperienced teachers in management roles because they need the extra pay to afford rents in London.

One of my teachers in my German class made any child being unduly stand next to the blackboard with their nose on a chalk blob. It was 45 years ago I suppose so maybe he Durante do that any more.

Cheap and technical is not the way forward. We need to renationalise and reinvest on a massive scale. Staff and buildings for schools, water energy, and trains need renationalising, wages in healthcare need to increase substantially, and the social safetynet needs to be reinforced to support them. Taxes need to increase, on both the very rich and on corporations, to pay for it.

I think outsourcing will be sadly necessary with great briish energy. Just like in the private sector, energy companies don't actually know how to build windfarms they get some other company like Siemens to build and maintain them.

I know its a joke but to be pedantic. Military vehicles are exempt from the Ulez charge. The more you know.

HBD 🎉

One thing that will really help the teacher crisis is to encourage experienced British EFL teachers working abroad to return to the UK to teach. I've worked with loads of amazing teachers from the UK across Asia who either give up teaching when they return to the UK because there is no easy pathway without having to essentially restart their career from scratch by doing a PGCE. Absurdly, I've even had friends apply for PGCE's in the UK after years of teaching abroad who were told that their experience cannot be counted. It's absurd and prevents lots of talent from returning to the UK.

Remember the important information.. His dad was a tool maker

The definition of island is getting a workout. 🤔

Proper conversation starts at 4:00

I thought you said Bozart, conductor of boats

Can we please not call the Emirates 'Starmers Ground'

I will never vote for anyone as vapid as Starmer.

Lots of levers exist to lower the waiting list. Overtime, insourcing, and partnerships. All have their positives and negatives. Private Equity have bet big on insourcing but personally I think its expensive and doesnt provide the correct duty of care.

Good idea on Dogger land being used as offshore power

On the day South Africa took Israel to the ICJ again Starmer's Labour threw out a bunch of gaslighting red cards...

It will likely be staffed by a mix of core personnel and a blend of expertise from consultants. And the vast, vast majority of work will likely be tendered out through a framework to a most economically advantageous tenderer through a competitive process that follows PCR2015 (soon to be PCR2023).

Not wanting to contradict the entry requirements Vs service quality you mentioned about teachers. But in the case of GPs, the rotation in the training pathway is unnecessarily brutal. Wife is a nurse in A&E, employed by the NHS, the pay and rates to hospital of the agency staff is so much higher and they are generally considered to give worse care as they aren't committed to individual hospitals or trusts which have their own operational nuances

Well done guys, but the only real strange thing is....WHY the green illumination....😉

It's kinda wild that at one point you could ring Tony Blair in person for a chat!

If just 3% of parents withdraw their children from private education as a result of VAT imposition on fees the additional teachers will fall short of the requirement.

Low pay, high living costs, bad working conditions which include dealing with confrontational children & parents. Too many students per class with a lot of pressure in terms of getting their grades up. 90% timetable is too high. I moved abroad, rent paid for me, pay higher than UK, living costs lower, class sizes 20 students, parents are supportive, timetable is 70%. Would never return to the UK to teach in the current conditions. I am thankful of the British government giving me a nice tax free bursary to get trained though...

love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast ladies and gentlemen (closest one for a while)

Happy born day Sean day!

Gotta love the complete lack of reaction from Ava to the LOTR reference within the first 30 seconds

Er? No, he didn’t realise Labour manifesto.

"I know you can be underwhelmed and you can be overwhelmed, but can you ever just be whelmed?" - Chastity, 10 Things I hate about you Starmer provides the answer, Yes - this is unbelievably Meh!

Ava an Everton supporter? Please explain in the next podcast. I'm an evertonian from Liverpool and don't understand why anyone outside of Liverpool would want to support them. Or even anyone in Liverpool for that matter 😅

UK is a nuclear country. Not just "we have nuclear power" but UK has actual nuclear weapons, so there's no issue of "proliferation" etc. The fact, that UK doesn't get like "everything but renewables" from nuclear is... well, it's of course always been about fossil fuels, eh?

I tried to call Tony, he didn't answer 😒

I just feel like UK is gonna get the other side of the coin. But still the same fucking coin.

Only this channel could refer to 6 pledges as a manifesto

Labour overdue on PoliticsJoe payments? 👀🤔

yer da’s a glacial melt

HB!

12:42 that's a personal question

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHAUNY

Amazing how Starmer is doing the Tony Blair speed-run. Not even in office and he's already itching to do warcrimes.