Kel-Tec PMR-30 22 Magnum Review and Ballistic Test 

Same here with the MCarbo kit! It's the best!

I've had the same response at the range. I'm still shooting that loud fireball and people are looking!!

Do mags have steel lips?

@@bajamike3803 No, the nylon-plastic is very tough.. a magazine re-design would be welcome as some have trouble with them. I load mine to 16 rounds only and they always run fine.

Dont lie guys you know it does not function flawlessly

I can see the headlines now. "Dangerous man who attacked armed robber had almost 100rounds of ammo!" "Not fair to criminals" That's pretty slick. I have always had respect for .22 mag, because I shot probably a million rounds of .22 lr as a kid. We didn't even hunt squirrels with the WMR because it would blow them to pieces. 22mag isn't to be slept on. I carry a 9mm with what I consider to be a lot of capacity. I would definitely feel adequately armed with a reliable 30 round .22 mag.

Is it too big to carry? Or is it about the size of a g19?

​@@SWLDguitar1 I carry one regularly definitely too big for just a t-shirt but hides well under a loose button down + t shirt, very light, so I barely notice it

Trigger is phenomenal. Every shooter I’ve let shoot it are surprised by the break! Fireball is amazing!m

What did you tell them u you were sending it back for.when I talked to them they told me they have no flaws and they do not work on them ???

Side note, heat up an extra Glock magazine loader, slide your magazine in so it forms to it and now you have a cheap (free) magazine loader!

@Info on 𝗧𝗲𝗹𝗲-𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺👉 sootchOO 👈 is a scam

How would I get the speed loader. I have one of these I got back in January, I love how it shoots.

I think I got mine thru eBay. It's wonderful to use...

Get extra mags. Many share your sentiment

Move to Texas or Flórida, but don't vote for democrats.

What? I live in Illinois and own one.

They’re coming for you guys, you’re liberal government will do anything to disarm so you don’t fight back,

@@Andrew-un8txit’s illegal to have 10+ rounds in your pistol magazine if you live in illinois

I was looking for this comment so that I didn’t have to leave it 😂 A good friend of mine as an AMT Automag II, and it is a lot of fun to shoot

I have a PMR 30 and at one time had the AMT but it broke and couldn’t find anyone to fix it.

@@arthurbrumagem3844 I’ve held a few of all 3 AMT calibers just couldn’t pull the trigger on them. For the same reasons. Difficult to find parts if they broke.

@@jefferyjackson6935 a shame because the concept of the guns were good but the company kept changing names and owners if I remember correctly. ( been quite a few yrs ago for me).

I have both, the automag only holds 7

No they are not. They are fun, you can hunt with them, but if you have to defend your life it would not be my choice.

@@graywind4326 i mean your right Tho it still isn't as strong as a centerfire ones but atleast it's better than having nothing

I would buy these guns if they are the only option, in a bad situation every gun can save your life if you know how to handle it.

*Me realizing that each time i comment on something i get backfired*

They need to make one in 17HMR.

Only thing to remember is that the .22 WMR doesn't really have the power to deal with a large, aggressive, predator like a mtn. lion or bear.

@@SirNomad yeah totally, I agree, cool concept, but not quite there for self defense for large predators. something like a 10mm semi auto is probably better.

What the hell is load the magazine correctly.. you really want a pistol that you have to hold your breath while you load the magazine

That's not what "very reliable" means.

@Steven Long Load 5 rounds and tap. Repeat. If you don't have one, then you don't know what I'm talking about.

Stack em right

​@@stevenlong4120 It means that rimfire cartridges in a triple stacked magazine are not loaded the same as rimless cartridges in multi-stack mags, nor the same as rimfires in a single stack. Most people are not used to that Load em like the manual says and there is no issue No one is holding their breath like it's a game of chance

Thanks for watchin Sammy!

I think overall as an owner of both… I’d take the P17 hands down.

I have been super impressed with the P17 also. When I first got mine it would have hang up every now and then. About 300 round of stingers and it works like a champ. It comes with 3 - 16 round mags (they are cheap pick up spares).

I have both as well. The P17 is awesome too. Holds 16+1 actually, hence the name P17. Crazy that it's lighter than an LCP II.

Agreed P17 is a great gun especially considering the price. So far, 0 fails and fun to shoot.

if it was a hundred dollars cheaper

I could see how this would be a good nightstand piece for single women, but this is punching out some serious over-penetration issues.

What makes me question the reliability is user error 😂 I've managed to rim-lock the CMR 30 once or twice.

i just put some 50 grain down range the other day. nice softer recoil. the 30grain hornady vmax thats advertised for 2200 ft per sec. packs a wallop. the recoil from the 30 grain will definetely let you know its there. so for the lighter the grain the more power coming from them. you will like the 50 grain. i dont give two craps what anyone says that 22 magnum 50 grain is nothing to be messing with. this pistol is super accurate and has an amazing trigger. when it comes down to it i prefer quickness and accuracy. I am no stranger to guns. i am a new firearm owner and no expert. i go to the range almost every weekend. i could put, almost an entire magazine into someones shoulders at 30 feet, center mass without even breaking a sweat at 40 feet. Unless you are an expert and know what you are doing. anything bigger than 357 your gonna need some serious practice to get used to the recoil. and i use also use a compensated slide on my 365xl

@@goodday126 I agree or perhaps for elderly people who may have issue with recoil or those who have difficulty cocking bigger caliber guns.

I think you're right. Looks like a lots of fun and I would really like to have one.

Did you have ftf's before stainless feed ramp? I understand the plastic feed ramps could break. Thanks!

I think its hit or miss with the quality control. But i believe whole heartedly if they built them better (like walther does sturdier body and ergos) with metal mags theyd have a great product. Because the pmr wasnt so dependable i didnt invest in a cmr I m going to get her the ruger 5.7 carbine next.

@@melissasmess2773 no problems I just wanted to upgrade it for longer term use lol

How did you find the upgrade, my jammed evert 5or 6 round. GC🇺🇸🤠

​@@Mastertec_stop lying to people

Thanks Dyno! I appreciate the comment Brother

Yup I said same. I have owned three of them in two different sizes.

I was thinking of this one also . They were the first i believe to make the 22 mag in an auto handgun .

Dang, I just posted the same... Should have scouted the replies first

@@jurban7998 NO WORRIES LIKE MINDS BROTHER!! 💪🏼🤟🏽👍🏼😝🥰

@@SJ-ty5rw There was also another but I dont believe before AMT but before PMR 100% The PMR was a loose copy.

I don't get it

​@@rimothytooltarski4459 Smith has been copying Keltec lately. The latest being the folding carbine. So keltec ideas with s&w quality

​@@rimothytooltarski4459 that's because you're still living in 2023...😏

😂😂😂😂😂😂

People hate on keltec, but they are leaders

Where do you find the upgrades, mine needs it

Tyler does it really run great? U know it doesn't stop lying

@@mikes8915 it absolutely does. With the MCarbo feed ramp, spring, and magazine catch, and when using their mag loader, I get full mag dumps with no jams. For me it's a perfect camping, hiking, canoeing, Appalachian trail type gun. I can carry three mags and the gun with 90rnds of ammo at under two pounds.

Thanks Tyler! Mcarbo upgrades are coming!

​@@TylerSmith-ce8mk So in other words rebuild the entire gun

You might get a speed loader made by American Speed Loaders. I understand they are recommended by Kel Tec for the PMR & CMR30s. I’ve seen reviews and people showing how to use them and they seem great. I looked them up on line and they seemed reasonably priced.

Well said, that is my experience as well and I 100% agree. Stay Safe .. Happy Shooting ya'll.

How do you know if its 1gen or 2gen? and what bullets would you recommend?

I 100% agree with you. The pmr30 is superlight and acurrate. Because it is so light it is quick to bring up sights

Same diameter bullet as a 5.7....

Still not better than 32rds of 45 acp lol jk

A good use for this gun is for suppressing fire. No one wants to stick their head out if you keep shooting 30 consistent rounds for a lot longer than normal at the same spot to keep their head down. Gives you and your companions time to move to cover.

​@@patrickrodriguez320not really because, a person can place all 30 from a .22 in a small 1" grouping, with no recoil. Try that with a 45. Will not happen.

What's the date to look for? & on the carbine.?.On manufactured date.?.? Whats

Thanks didn't know that.

What's the date to look for?

​@@mr.anonymous123 the barrel was modified a few years back if I recall correctly

@@mr.anonymous123 It narrows down the date of production of the pistol. Early ones supposedly had issues . Later ones not.

Thanks Brother!

I've got a CMR30 SBR I need to send in once it's back from the barrel chop. Hoping it runs better when it's done.

My slide release blew off. They sent a postage paid box, wanted the entire upper for QC, got a new upper.

@@robertcainjr.7627 Nice. Hoping mine will be fixable without the barrel replaced since I SBRed it and am paying to have the barrel chopped and threaded.

Don't do it.......Smith and Wesson offers their usual top of the line competitor

They still sell for 400 bucks

@@Christoph-sd3zi where?

what colors did you get lol

I agree, but there are several reasons I don't actually carry mine. The biggest is probably because my draw to first shot on target time is far slower than with my Glock due to the safety. Then there's the potential for rimlock if you don't carefully load the magazine. Mine is also somewhat finicky about ammo and VERY finicky about proper maintenance. It's reliable enough IF I keep it clean and lubricated - IF... My Glocks and PSA daggers on the other hand, have all been utterly reliable with any and all ammo types, despite infrequent cleaning and lubrication. Don't get me wrong, I can't help but love the dang thing, but there are far better carry options than the PMR30 imo.

After market stuff available for the problem

I think the first generations of the CMR and PMR had issues with the barrel/chamber geometry as well as magazine issues. I think around 2017 or so they started to be much better.

I load the mags right and still a pos.

Listen man this is better than nothing some some people but for others it also makes a good varmint pistol. Youll want high capacity survival pistol. You might never even need it to stop your own starvation in usa but in usa if you find a squirrel that needs put out of its misery you gotta do what you gotta do bro

They should start using space age material with the space age designs

@@TheAnnoyingBoss Won't argue there. Hi capacity 9 is what I'm gonna go with most days. But honestly if I'm some kind of survival situation, I'd be happy just to have any gun that has ammo and works.

why doesnt anyone mention that piece of noworking grendle thirty shot no feeding 22mag of yesterday

Seems Like That Round Only Has A Few Options

Eezactly !

.22WMR is more effective on squirrel. A straight shooter but not very effective at distances.

That would be cool.

@@АлакПатрова local gun shop worker got a pistol chambered in 17hmr but I think it's one or two shots only.

I wonder what velocity this thing is pushing

Public warning ..........if I can't shouv 22s in fast as you can and go to the river for a day as you of fun pics on it I ain't sending nothing th a t didn't come out of the factory correctly made back into that sorry factory

I remember that one, I owned a grendel p-12 380 that held 12 rounds, it worked but only ran polymer tipped self defense ammo. One of the guns I regret selling

And it's one of the ugliest guns I ever put my eyes on 😂

Ughh that was not a good looking pistol much prefer that PMR30☝️

@@rickmaldoo4205 I have one in my safe. Friend sold to me for basically lunch money. It is indeed hideous.

Arcadia Machine and Tool (AMP) and latter Galenia both made delayed gas 22 Magnums in the later 80’s to 2000’s. All made of Stainless steel. They also made them in 30 cal Carbine and 45 AMT.

YES, that loader is a god-send. I'm considering buying another one as backup just in case they stop making them!

Didn’t realize there was a loader for it. Guess that is on my list now

They make a 5.7x28 and it's 50 rounds! Also I think around a grand!

The PMR and CMR in 5.7 would be awesome!

​@@WayneThePreacher half the price of a PS90. I bought a PS90 and 2 months later the P50 came out 😪

You forget that the .22 has no ballistics trace on the bullet at all. Gets the job done and can not be traced.

Also, this bullet travels at 2,400 fps. The only other bullet that can beat it is the 50 cal, at 2800 - 3000 fps.

Sorry for late reply. Thanks for that Info. I will be getting one asap. No dealers within an hour of where I live. @@jeffsharp6652

It's good that ur mom can take care of herself,with all of these fker's breaking into people's homes! Does she practice grabbing it quickly? ( if she was forced to in the middle of the night) ,so it becomes a natural thing to do!!

Smart man. I got my mom Burglar bars for her house lol she does not shoot.

@@tonyrebel63 hey it's all about keeping them safe. I think it makes us feel better than it does them... Lol

@@-strick996 You are correct. At 83 my mother still drives to work 4 days a week, get home and mow her lawn. The thought of cutting the grass make me damn tired lol

Most intelligent comment about this video. God Bless

I believe the cartridge length is to blame more than anything to the overall reliability. That’s a long straight case… very easy to hang up.

I own one and the fireballs it blows out at indoor ranges are blinding. It's far better looking than these modern guns, probably three times as heavy, and extremely finicky when it comes to ammo. I love the damn thing.

Keeps me out of trouble! lol!

Agree. Mine has safety levers on both sides. The PMR-30 in Sootch's video looks to me like it had lever on the right side, but the screw holding it came out.

​@gort4016 yep the the right side selector definitely fall off and it was never mentioned.