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Possibly...but one thing to remember is Tom wasn't there at all...he was running the company. Logan once criticized Kendall for going to his birthday party over running the company. Maybe in the end Tom is the one who passed the final test. We'll see if this take aged like wine or milk in a few days.
@@iMbaKunkkaAdam Smith was a mercantilist who believed the pursuit of wealth was driven by nations. Capitalism is a philosophy based in wealth of the individual.
Only at Logan Roy’s funeral could a show of genuine grief be regarded as unnatural, embarrassing, and wrong. When I die, I would like there to be someone reacting to my death like Roman did.
It’s crazy huh? I’ve seen a few comments that belittled Roman for expressing grieve over his father and to me that’s so wild. If that’s not an example of toxic masculinity at its best idk what is. It reminded me of my own reaction when I was burying my mother. People told me to “not take too long to be sad” and expected me to have the “appropriate” amount of emotions. But all I wanted to do was kick them in the face and then cry some more.
I don't think it was grief from his love for his father. It was Roman was triggered by Ewan's recollection of the abuse that Logan suffered and it reminded him of what he suffered from his father. It was an insane mix of love and hate and repressed memories flooding back and overwhelming him.
No one thought it was unnatural. However, in this business, people will not follow you if you cannot keep your composure in difficult situations. It’s ruthless, but Kendall proved he is much more qualified by nailing this moment and being strong. Unfortunately, that’s just the way this succession world works.
Watching Kendall’s again, it did feel less authentic and more of a facade “I have to do this a certain way for the business.” Shiv’s was a bit more real
@@krokodil7057 A woman who gives a birth becomes a mother. That is what i meant. Jesus. Even though her behavior makes it seem like she doesn't care, the maternal instinct for one's children is still present, and it sublimates unconsciously one's feelings. She does feel for at least shiv. Theres a good amount of literature on this. Calling her salty was a Stretch, you can't expect a person to remain naive in such an environment.
The way Ewan (Logan’s brother) is looking at Ken during and particularly after his speech… it’s like he’s just beginning to see that Ken is the reincarnation of Logan. It’s like a mix of respect and terror. Amazing.
@@illijah Respect and terror are absolutely not two sides of the same coin. One can go without the other. Only respect without terror is fine, but terror without respect will just make everyone try to rip you apart.
@@frname7665 They are linked. If the person I respected the most suddenly became my enemy, I'd fear them. Terror is a bad thing, but that's why it's the other side of respect.
I don't think Ken is the reincarnation of Logan and he knows he isn't. He said that to Logan himself in their last dinner together: I'm better than you, you're evil, I'm not.
A month after the finale I find myself revisiting this scene constantly. I truly believe this is the greatest performance in television history. A simultaneously horrifying and moving speech from Jeremy Strong. “The corpuscles of life gushing around this nation, this world, filling men and women all around with desire. Quickening the ambition to own, and make, and trade, and profit, and build, and improve. Great geysers of life he willed”. Simply masterful writing that really encapsulates the Roy family’s way of thinking. What a fucking show. I already dearly miss it.
It’s incredible how so many scenes from this show can be put on a list of amazing acting performances and all of them can make a case for it. This show was incredible and I’m glad I watched from the first season.
if you think bumbling idiot kendall's speech is the greatest scene in television history, i feel bad for you, but to each their own. You should really watch The Expanse, season 2, episode 5. THAT is one of the greatest scenes in tv history.
This is a game-tying pinch hit grand slam in the bottom of ninth. Kendall has gone from the guy striking out in the late innings to the one capable of getting the crowd on their feet. Wow.
@VAS Vas it's just a metaphor for how Kendall would typically lose at the final moments, but now he just staved off defeat and set himself up for victory.
"But I hope it's in me" is what bothered her. Kenny saw the chance and took it. Shiv, like his mother, is just too salty all the time. 100% ambition, 0% brain. But Snook obviously knocked it out of the park.
"A boy never really becomes a man until he's buried his father". We saw the final transformation of Kendal when they exit the mausoleum/cript. From there on, he is Logan 2.0. The way he tells Roman "You fucked it" without any empathy after he pretty much colapsed during the eulogy. And the cherry on the cake of the transformation was Kendals disinderested "mhm" to Roman during the same conversation, which Logan used constantly, when someone explained something or gave an excuse, but he literally did not care.
He's been transforming into Logan 2.0 since his father's death. He started backstabbing his sibilings, just as Logan would. He has doubled down on the neglect of his children, as Logan did; he even started saying "I do all of this for my children", a phrase Logan used a lot. Kendall criticized Logan's business model as dependant of "seducing presidents", and yet he purposely gave Mencken the election to guarantee the death of Mattson's deal. He is becoming Logan, and doesn't know it.
Going into this episode I had my doubts about whether the writers could create a eulogy that was both emotionally resonant and unflinchingly honest. They not only pulled it off, but Jeremy Strong delivered it beautifully beat by beat. I did not expect to cry in this episode but this got me. He just secured his second Emmy with this scene
Kierans coming in strong as well but I think that’s it’s almost certain one of them will be walking up on the stage in September (don’t have that much hope for Bob)
And then finale came and Jeremy acting outdo himself and outclassed everyone with one of the greatest television performance of all time , 💯 second emmy for currently best actor working today Jeremy strong
@@bregowine tom winning is being able to remain as the head of ATN. I don't see any path at all to him becoming CEO of the entire company. Maaaybe as some sort of compromise if Shiv is indisposed and the deal goes through. But i doubt it.
Since season 1 I’ve known kendall was the best fit for CEO if available. He’s got SO many problems. But he’s proven over and over he THRIVES under pressure when neither of his siblings can stand tall.
Which is so ironic because in normal scenarios he comes across as fumbling and insecure. But when the light is on he completely transforms, the opposite is true for Roman.
That’s actually the case with a lot of people with anxiety: they crumble under normal, trivial events. But when things go crazy they’re able to handle it somehow. I can’t speak for everyone, it’s just what I go through with my anxieties.
He's always been the guy but his greatest weakness is he can't "kill" his father because he loves him so much. Now that Logan is dead, nothing can stop Kendall from taking the company.
@@rishabhaniket1952Very common. He has good instincts, it’s just that he can never truly rely on them until he’s under pressure with no ability to overthink the situation.
Ken always thrives when it’s business. He was phenomenal during the hearings also. Living+ was obv great. It’s when he’s being triggered personally by his family that he crumbles. The BDay Party night and Shiv’s wretched public letter about him are two examples.
@Al We spent more time with Walter so we got to know him better but the depth and complexity of Kendall is very much on par with him I think. In fact Kendall is so much more nuanced and realstic in his transformation. Walter goes from a meek science teacher to a comic book villain by the end. Just watch his last scene in Better Call Saul, great performance but really over the top by that point. Please watch the other shows I mentioned, they're phenomenal! Should be on everyone's bucket list.
The shot of Ken after the eulogies as he's walking down the aisle and everyone stands up to shake his hand with a reasured smile on their faces as the music swells is so great. It's like his coronation and everyone feels relieved to put their future in his hands, like a new worthy King replacing an old one. Could've ended the show on that scene.
YES! I thought the exact same thing. I keep bringing up Rheas read on the kids. And how logan and her both told Ken it was him. Logans speech to him at the beach came up too. I really hope Ken wins it all but I think he'll lose himself to it.
@@charityetzkorn4710 I've never "rooted" for any of the characters, but Ken becoming CEO will be the only really narratively satisfying conclusion imo. Other than that, they could have all the sibs lose and Tom getting brought in as an experienced and competent Yes-man puppet CEO under Mattson and Mencken's thumb, but as much as I love Macfadyen I'd feel very cheated if that happens. Anything other than that would just be disappointing shock value for the sake of throwing a twist curveball, hope they don't go for that.
@@jamesmanner9657 they make Tom CEO to shit on the siblings. Then just as Tom is settling in they send Greg into his office to fire him. Greg now runs the world. Shakespeare eats his heart out.
“Life is not knights on horseback, it’s a fight for a knife in the mud, a number on a piece of paper, not many can do what I do” - Logan Roy to Kendall Roy
Lol, you obviously was abused as a kid if you think that being a "killer" is cool. It's always the weakest and most spineless people who praise violence and abuse and believe it's "cool".
Jeremy strong himself called this moment for Kendall his coronation day. When it comes to significant moments for Kendall, he always does his best when things aren’t planned. Every time he’s screwed up, it’s because he psyched himself. But this was completely in the moment, unplanned. Kendall has his father’s “vim”.
I mean he psyched himself for his Living+ speech and it went well. The changing factor is that he feels he's got his father's approval (thinking, rightly so imo, that it was indeed an underlining in ep. 4) and it allows him to truly become himself.
@Frname But he also was challenged from afar by Lucas during the speech, and managed to freestyle an answer that made Lucas look childish and unprofessional.
Can't always trust Strong's take on the scene -- he's SUCH a method actor that he literally sees through Kendall's eyes with zero objectivity. Kendall thought this was his "coronation," and thus so does Jeremy Strong. Personally, I think this was a merely passable performance by Kendall, a success where everyone expected failure (just like his Living+ presentation). Love the scene and Strong's performance regardless.
I was so fucking pissed at the fact that every sibling had a chance to talk except Connor. And he even had an eulogy ready!! 😭 I know for certain it would be some stupid shit but come on let my boy SPEAK
@@weebabyshakeus I knew it since the end of episode 4 this season... It was plain as day then, especially with the theme over the credits, it was like the music was letting you know, everything starts from here with kendall.
I knew he was the best fit when he gutted Vaulter. Cold, calculating, and ruthless. He always had it in him but it took a while with several more betrayals to harden him.
This is where Kendall won both Matsson and Mencken over. Those subtle smiles. I think even though Matsson is playing with the idea of Shiv as the American CEO at the end of the episode, I believe he’s playing the game until he can slip Kendall in instead.
I think maybe it may end up a merger deal that Logan originally went for. Mencken seemed to like Matsson as Matsson willing to share how algo work which can help Mencken to promote his ideology. I also think Mencken did not like Shiv at all and Matsson questioned Shiv ability.
Caroline is such a phenomenal character. The way you see SO MUCH of the siblings whole history from just a few seconds of her performance, it all makes sense why they are the way they are. That little expression on her face there says so much, the resentment she must feel towards Logan always being the one everyone cares about, and at the same time how she's just unable to make any moment not about her... brilliant performance by Harriet Walter.
Something I never noticed before what Shiv being taken aback by Kendall saying “by God, I hope it’s in me”: Ken spent so long resenting the man he tried to be to appeal to Logan, and now he’s embracing it, which almost scares her
Started out a bit shaky, which is understandable, but Kendall has proven time and again that he can perform on the spot. His usual wordsalads full of lingo can feel all over the place, but it worked really well here
Agreed. Kendall reminds me of his Uncle at time, because his vocabulary is so unique, and at times it seems like he's almost pushing people away from his ideas because they don't understand his terminology. But I gotta give it up for him.. He is brilliant in the clutch, especially since he doesn't have Logan to kinda keep him down anymore.
It's as if the spirit of Logan possessed Kendall from this point forward and Kendall has truly become his father. His rise into the killer that Logan always wanted to be has been so satisfying, yet tragic. As Ewan said about Logan, Kendall has also stopped trying to be a good person.
Without even touching on the content of the speech itself, kudos to the writers for finding a completely natural way to drop three meaty, unbroken, true blue monologues right into the middle of this episode in such an organic way
Even for a show with such stylized language- working this kind of writing in (with due credit to the performance of course) without breaking the flow at all is so fucking beast
The great thing about this scene is that the speech happened inside a church, but it was a prayer not to christian God, but for money God. He was honest, at least, but it shows that greed has no room for kindness
his father was never holding him back, i’d say he was rather training him for this exact moment from the eulogy to his request to Hugo, to finally become a KLR.
Kendall’s trying to embody his father so his father’s not gone. When alive, Kendall tried to compete with his father. So accurate to father and sons, and when the former dies. One can switch on a dime after they go.
Man, this was brilliant. The monologue, the acting, the camera cuts. Every second here tells a story. Amazing to see Kendall becoming the man he loved and hated at the same time
I love that knowing look from Logan’s brother. He knows with this speech that Logan has secured his immortality through Kendall. Regardless of who ATN falls to, he has created someone earnestly capable of being as great and terrible as him
This was such a great piece of acting. Ewan eviscerated Logan, told the unvarnished truth, and Ken needed to prop the man up, as if just "acting" is some sort of saving grace on a life of evil. Ken has so meekly given up all vestiges of his humanity, finally becoming the tyrant king he once hated. The prospect of power was always too alluring, too intoxicating, that Ken felt the need to make a legend out of a man who tortured and abused him for his entire life.
It's funny how Roman enters the church thinking is powerful and " the man" and at the end Kedall leaves the church being as the actual powerful one, and Roman gets reduced as criying little boy.
@@inessant1559 Not everyone would. The only reason Roman broke down at this moment is because he tried to ignore his grief from the get go. It catches up sooner or later.
he starts the episode 'riding high' literally in his highrise apartment lording over the protestors and he ends the episode down on the ground getting attacked by the protestors
Oh yeah, it's so funny when people suffer and cry. Especially at the funerals when their parent is dead. Nothing is this life tastes better than sadism, violence and someone else's pain. On a scale from 1 to 10 how much did you enjoy that?
Every now and then, Kendall would rise to the occasion and give us a taste of what he could have became. There was never any in-between with Kendall. He either hit a grand slam, or burst into flames.
for those who say that kendall isn't logan or whatever, Jeremy Strong says on the podcast that this ceremony isn't just Logan's funeral; it's also Kendall's coronation. Kendall is starting to prove that he's his father's son - the Logan in "KLR" is standing out.
Kendall really took a page out of Hamlet, didn’t he? To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles And by opposing end them. To die-to sleep, No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep, perchance to dream-ay, there's the rub: For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause-there's the respect That makes calamity of so long life. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely, The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay, The insolence of office, and the spurns That patient merit of th'unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry And lose the name of action.
If Connor has his own eulogy, his speech would be look like this: "My father was a man. When a man dies, everybody sad. My father lived for 80 years and he's not anymore. He had me and my three other siblings with three other wives including my mother, and now we're sad."
If the show doesn’t blow this ending and Kendall comes out on top, it will be one of the greatest character arcs of all time. A character we have watched get thrown through the ringer, finally wins as he loses everything to become the man he thought he was better than
Please. Ken managed to alienate few people in this episode as naturally as breathing. There is no arc in terms of character development. He's still a spoiled rich kid like he was at the beginning. He just doesn't do drugs.
Wow, the shots of Shiv and Rome when Ken says, “my god I hope it’s in me” tell us everything we need to know about their sibling dynamic going forward. Shiv looks awestruck, almost proud. Rome snaps out of his lachrymose fit, sits up, then looks around as though there’s a chance no one noticed and he can still recover. Whether or not Ken wins the battle of Royco, he will go on to do great things in business. His priorities are completely fucked, but damn if he won’t make a brilliant CEO.
Shiv looked like she was thinking, “oh I see what you’re doing, time to step up my game.” I couldn’t gauge Roman’s reaction he looks equally impressed/apathetic
@Gabriel Idusogie Agreed. Shiv's expression to me says 'No Ken, you shouldn't want that', which is demonstrated by her emphasising Logan's misogyny in her eulogy immediately afterwards. We also see Kendall behave pretty fucking awfully towards Rava and Jess earlier in the episode. I believe there's a thread there. Shiv fears for her brother in that moment.
I think Shiv is horrified given the "poison drips through" conversation from the previous episode. Kendall going from wishing not to carry on his father's abusive legacy to announcing to the world that he wants to have that same "terrible force" in him is quite sad.
Anyone else notice the parallel between Logan believing he was responsible for Rose’s death, and Kendall believing he was responsible for the waiter's death when they crashed the car?
I like how the end half of this speech is Ken also realizing he is some of these things. And it's kind of terrifying, but also inspiring at the same time to him. Man this episode will go down as one of the greats of all time in television history.
It’s mind blowing to me that some people found this episode to be slow and boring. Ken’s speech here and him getting Hugo to be his woof woof alone make this episode better than 95% of anything else on TV.
Something changed in Ken, it was like a small tweak because he had all the tools to be great, but now, it's like when Logan passed, something changed, maybe because his past losses or his father passing, he wants this, he's going for it, for real. Our #1 boy.
This was as much a funeral for Logan as it was for Roman’s shot at the chair. Kendall is bathing in the chalice’s poison at this point. Roman’s done, and Ken knows it. Absolutely harrowing.
Writers of this show are genius. The most beautiful eulogy of today capitalism, with its dark spots and postive force at the same time, last season is perfect.
