Keyleth and the Cliff [Episode 97 Spoilers] 

Not his wife at that point, but yes

@@levindeed I mean, at this point, shevwas still his long-term girlfriend

Just putting this out there, this was a 1000ft drop and Matt said it was 1d6/10ft, he said it was too many dice to roll because he rolled 100d6 on his phone just to see Keyleth’s body shatter against the rocks

RAW max fall damage is 20d6. Also this isn't the players suffering the consequences of their stupidity, this is the players suffering the consequences of Matt's poor descriptions.

@@mayube9292 first of all, having a cap for fall damage is ridiculous. ~70 damage is barely enough to knock a level 10 character unconscious, let alone provide a threat to a level 17. terminal velocity is terminal velocity and jumping off a 1000 ft cliff should have heavier consequences than 20d6. secondly, matt made the important things very clear; the cliff is extremely high, it's not a sheer face, and whether or not keyleth was in the clear was iffy, which is accurate to what she wouldve gathered while falling. she shouldve just turned into a bird but honestly who cares, it was a funny accident that was quickly resolved, no need to make it out like matts a bad dm

@DJ KO Why you gotta be a rude ass?

@@LordVader1094 I think he just wanted to start conflict. People like being idiots when they have nothing important and think what they do don't have any repercussions because it's the internet.

He turned into a hyena

I can tell you from her trying to joke about it, she still regrets it to this day

@@ellispedersen4192 the Feeblemind almost makes up for this. Almost.

@@Grey_Shard The Feeblemind on Raishan was legendary

On Marisha's Between The Sheets episode, she mentions that she doesn't regret it at all since it became one of the most iconic moments of CR ever.

Good grief, famous for stupidity? I don't have words.... I suppose you have to play it off somehow or just get angry in public and that's always ugly.

"It's fine we're God's. " Has become my party's unofficial catch phrase.

Her own worst enemy, indeed.

Mainly travis. I cant not laugh when I hear his cackle upon hearing "it's a scatter of red mess"

It's kind of hard to plan for a PC to kill themselves due to a lack of common sense, especially when you give them multiple warnings that it's a dumb idea and to think their choices through.

@@Dramatic_Gaming And they can literally turn into flying creatures and still die to falling.

@@bulldozer8950 I'm sure Matt was thinking the same thing. Matt's head: (I'm sure she'll probably be fine. She'll turn into a bird and-) Keyleth: I turn into a goldfish. Matt: ... Matt: What?

On paper it's 22, in reality, it's more like a 7.

This is why a lot of fans, including myself, hate Keyleth. Your character is suppose to be this very wise person, but you always seem to make the dumbest decisions. I know that being intelligent and being wise are two different things, but wisdom, in D&D at least means common sense and being able to LEARN from your mistakes.

she probably won't jump off a 1000 foot cliff again. that's a lesson that only needs to be taught once

That's the problem, she can't play the character on her character sheet, so WHY IS THAT THE CHARACTER ON HER CHARACTER SHEET?

Watch Mariah pull on her ring when she's doubting Matt about her death lololol

Seconded. Perfectly timed and completely out of nowhere. Fucking *BRILLIANT*.

not just her, literally only her didn't see this coming ! the others crew members all tryed to convince her otherwise or help her survive. but nope, goldfish !

To be fair they kind of are since she could have turned into a bird at any time. Even if she had just executed the laughable plan of turning into a goldfish at the start of the dive she might have only taken half damage for being such a tiny creature and had the damage halved again if she'd landed in the water and so survived provided that the DM was feeling generous but she left it too late even for that.

Tosh Omni half damage? Full . cause thats not how gravity works. Don't help stupid people

@@nicholasm3265 To be technical, you reach terminal velocity at about 500 ft so her damage should be halved which is livable. and landing in water would negate that to 0 damage if she dove into it the like a diver. By all accounts you could argue she shouldn't have died there.

@@Godtierlee landing in water would have reduced it? Maybe by game rules.... Thats not how water works! Water is as hard as a rock if you fall that deep!

HobbsyTenTwentyThree gosh dang floor invading from Britania. I blame Lord British

What's a Paladin?

Gravity really.

Arnold Schwarzenegger in Twins: “I did nothing, the pavement was his enemy

More like Marisha's assumption that D&D uses cartoon physics.

you can never go full keyleth ! wait till she does something even better !

+Avery Weathers, I mean--fuck it, why not right? XD

This is actually a brilliant idea. Well... not Wisdom 22 brilliant... but still... the smaller the animal, the weaker the gravitational pull. You can let an ant fall from any hight, its terminal velocity isnt high enough for it to ever kill it. So *turns into a goldfish, slowing down the fall drastically* *falls in the water with a very small amount of surface tension* *can swim because fish* the only problem was, not looking down to see if there was rock :D better animals: -flyers (if high enough) -super small animals (like ants) and the best thing: -flying super small animals (bee and so on) so yea... :D thats my two cents about that

LetsPlayCrazy Wouldn't it have been smarter to turn into something big, like a whale? To my knowledge whales aren't that aerodynamic, so maybe she would have slowed down a little. Also the pressure of hitting rock or bellyflopping would have been much smaller, given a whale's large surface area. Sure she would have more momentum, but wouldn't that just mean whatever media she fell into, she would displace more upon her impact? I also realize that bigger whales weigh more, and the normal force of whatever she hit, would be her force as a human scaled up by the ratio of a whale's mass to a half elf's. But let's say a was a true swan dive, and all the force of crashing down was placed on the tips of her middle fingers (probably a square inch, if not smaller), then compare it to to the area of a whale's underside. Her mass may have gone up 1000 times, but the surface area that hit the crag/water would have been magnitudes larger. Even if she hit head first as a human, the pressure of a whale would still be smaller. I'm going to guesstimate these proportions, but I assume a human head is a quarter foot by 1/2 foot ellipse, and a humpback whale is an ellipse with major axis 50 ft and a minor axis of 10 ft (maybe smaller). Then a weight of a humpback whale at most would be 40 tons or 80 thousand pounds, and 1 Keyleth is probably 120 pounds. Yeah, these aren't the best approximations, but they are the best I can think of off the top of my head.

Yea sure lets increase the volume AND the weight xD What you are saying is wrong because whales also have more density then for example an ant. And because it is bigger, the whale would have been impaled on those ricks, doing even more damage :D So a whale would actually have been worse then a goldfish xD

LetsPlayCrazy sure, if they were sharp rocks, she would be impaled, but the rockface below wasn't described very well. And density of the person doesn't have anything to do with this situation, to my knowledge. Density of the air would affect terminal velocity, but not density of the person. Sure, since an ant is smaller, air to it is more viscous (like how sperm in water is like swimming in peanut butter), slowing them down considerably, and an ant's anatomy will change how the force is distributed, but if it is hitting ground at the terminal velocity of a human, not an ant's terminal velocity, it would not be safe. But if we are talking about the very edge of the rock, "where the rock meets the surf," the extended length of a whale would put most of her body in the water. Not exactly a graceful landing, but safer than headfirst into rocks. If she got impaled anywhere, it would essentially be her foot (the tail of the whale), a very non-lethal place to be impaled. A goldfish going the terminal velocity of a human (she changed last second, meaning very little deceleration time) would still splatter on the rocks. A whale going terminal velocity of a human would be a little safer.

It's fine, we're gods.

@@Person01234 I mean, it was, she was literarly alive and well less than a minute later in game time.

r/didthemath

Nice math

Laura at one point said it was 1500 feet so she would have reached terminal velocity right as she impacted rock. I think Matt gave some consideration for the toughness of their physical forms and the fact that she impacted as a goldfish because a regular human would have quite literally exploded upon impact from something like that and she would have been in pieces

That's, uhm, disturbing. As a person who has thought about wanting to skydive but is scared to, this information has made me less inclined to... interesting to know though!

Mind you, skydiving is incredibly safe in modern times. The technological evolution to parachutes has been huge, several modern devices even allow them to open by themselves after a certain height has been reached. Also, even back then the incidents were very uncommon. It's just the kind of thing you remember, even when it never happens again.

That's good to know! I hope to go skydiving sometime in the next year. Its still a scary thought though, jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.

bah, think about it a different way. Sky diving is taking the express way down. =P

Kaploy8​​ That is very good to know but not something I would like to try out my self though. 😁

Max Barr godammit

Too soon

Well, there might be a loophole, depending on how high up, exactly, she changed into a goldfish. (Goldfish has a much smaller silhouette and mass, so terminal velocity would be much slower for goldfish than it is for people) However, I find it entirely in keeping with what we know of Keyleth for her to turn into a goldfish close enough to the ground for her now tiny, single-hit-point body to smack into the jagged rocks at the base of the cliff at human-scale terminal velocity. (Or, as you posit, to smack into the water's surface at that speed to similar effect)

Landis963 I think anything short of a flying or hovering creature would have gone splat. but seriously, Keyleth xD next time ... more hit points pls

She turned gold fish before she hit the rock, which it doesn't matter as she is still at the same speed

MeonProductions to be honest, at this point it feels like death has no consequence in this show.

Well, it literally has no consequence in DnD. It does in this show, being revived is going to be harder and harder every time it happens because Matt is clearly not a fan of Death is Cheap himself. Keyleth got lucky because they had the revivify coin and she hadn't died before. There definitely is consequence to death in Critical Role

blackvial lol I was actually laughing that hard when it happened mostly out of shock at how stupid the move was and how funny at the same time.

"Why would you even tempt that shit right now" is the best phrase.

He's loving it haha

His laugh is contagious

Hands, arms, head, torso, legs and feet down. All at once. After a one thousand foot plummet.

Amazing!

It's a classic. Even more than the rabbit from the cilinder.

Fun fact goldfish have a 2 for constitution. A. -4. For. FUCKING. CONSTITUTION. Marisa goldfish should’ve splattered into thannos baby powder. Link for anyone curious: www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/259080-goldfish

Note how in campaign two she built a character who negates most fall damage

LOLOLOL

he says right after, "why am I drinking your coffee..." lol

Along with Liam's descent into madness

I think the fall damage cap is stupid in the first place. Maxing out falling damage at 50d6 means she would've probably only been knocked unconcious by a 1000 foot drop. I like it much better the way Matt makes it work.

@@seanob8001 didnt even know there was a cap on fall damage. You could literally fall from the heaven for hundred miles and only take max 300 dmg? What a stupid thing.

@@LednacekZ because terminal velocity ?? It caps out too low in game but it should still cap out eventually …

@@jtg1912 another commentor did the math, and terminal velocity would require a 1500 ft drop, so Keyleth's actually still accelerating at the point of impact

@@kori228 you’re absolutely right. I actually found that after I posted when I was going down the terminal velocity rabbit hole and forgot to come back and edit. But I guess my main point still stands as far as there should obviously be a cap at fall damage when terminal velocity is reached. Im working on an injury status idea to provide some consequence to high level people jumping off cliffs because they have the hp and that’s pretty dumb IMO. Something where If a large enough amount of damage is taken in a single action there’s a percentage chance of taking a debilitating injury.

If anything if she hit the water it'd have been harder to find the body.

The goldfish took the impact. Not her body. Stole this from another comment: Say, for whatever reason, a druid with 100 HP turned into a worm. The worm gets stepped on, taking 2 damage. It only has 1 HP, and so smushes into the ground, its body unrecoverable. The Druid is then supposed to take the other 1 damage. By your logic, the druid's body should be mush on the ground under that foot, despite having 99 HP left. Whatever happens to a beast form, only the numbers transfer over.

Oh yeah, Keyleth took 362 points of damage, but I'm sure she looked unscathed and perfectly healthy because her goldfish form absorbed 0.276% of the impact. Give me a break. "Whatever happens in beast form, only the numbers transfer over." Those "numbers" actually mean something--they represent the damage of the fall that carried over into Keyleth's body.

@@47571660 by that logic you could change a dragon into a snake and simply cut the head of in the 5 seconds it takes to revert back. That's like 2 damage for the dragon but the dragon would be headless. We are not saying that this didn't hurt her. Just saying that her body wouldn't be splattered.

@@azrielslytherin2604 Nope, not my logic at all. The damage that carries over in your example would not be enough to cut off a dragon's head--it would have a scratch at most. No one I can see is arguing any differently, and it's a moot point anyway as it isn't what happened. Keyleth took 100 more damage than an adult red dragon has total hit points, enough to kill her outright. Your logic fails to appreciate what 'damage' actually represents (when you take damage, narratively your body should be damaged).

Aim for the bushes

Considering what can happen to bodies when they impact rocks at those speeds? i could see some traumatic flashbacks for both Keyleth and Laura's character.

@@Grey_Shard meanwhile Grog is just laughing his goliath ass off xD

What? Really? What shows?

@@DarthSinistris In the Harley Quinn animated series there's a moment where a heist goes horribly wrong and Harley's crew has to leap out a skyscrapper window to escape. As they're on their way down Dr Psycho shouts "WE ARE GOLDEN GODS!"

Then Laura yelling “that’s not funny!” So good hahaha

THAT WAS TRAVIS OH MY GOD HAHA

Those were the words thought about but in a different way. "Keyleth. You are two failed saves from a permadead character. You JUST became the tempest! Do you really want this to be your-" (Splat).

agree. The lesson wasnt expensive enough. Only lost an item worth a few thousand gold. Thats nothing at that level.

The show would have suffered with a lame side quest to revive her. The realistic roleplay required for the show from the characters in reproach of her actions was enough. It's not like they don't take Matt's main story danger lightly, just silly shit like this.

I disagree. She was in wild shape when she hit the surf. At least at my table, her fish body would go splat, propmting the shapechanging magic to revert her form. But her actual body wouldn't be disfigured. She'd take the damage of course and would be dead because of it but not turned to mush as that body did not take the actual impact. I don't see written anywhere in the rules something happening at 3×Max HP damage, so this is up to the table's DM. You can rule it however you want at your table, of course, as that's kind of the point of D&D. I don't think it's a bad idea in general, in fact I like it. But because she was in wild shape at the time of impact I have a disagree here specifically.

Frank Robins, Jr. I like to think of it as ascending to becoming the goddess of chum.

Smaller creatures don't hit the ground as hard. If a spider (wolf spider for reference) jumped off the empire state building it would probably just break a few legs.

@@williamhoneycutt8868 Might have been true if it'd been at the start of the fall but Marisha even specifies that she waits until the last moment before turning into the goldfish. She was still moving with the force of a 178lb woman except now it was acting on a two ounce fish. Been a while since physics for me but from what I remember that would have actually caused Keyleth to speed up even more right before hitting the rocks.

Just putting this out there, this was a 1000ft drop and Matt said it was 1d6/10ft, he said it was too many dice to roll because he rolled 100d6 on his phone just to see Keyleth’s body shatter against the rocks

@@stephenrussell1054 At about 0:50 seconds in Matt explains that the cliff is not completely vertical and Keyleth is going to hit the side of the cliff after falling only 300ft. After he finishes that explanation, Keyleth, at about the 1:13 mark, casts the Gust cantrip to push herself away from the side of the cliff in the hopes of landing in the ocean. As I said, had she not done this, she would have only taken 30d6 damage (somewhere between 90 and 120 on average, very survivable for her) from hitting after 300ft /instead/ of the 100d6 damage from hitting after falling the full 1000ft.

Good thing the campaign is over.