Khatra - Speed Comparison 

Awesome Comparison. Thanks for this video Mr. Armin Great day to all in Malta.😀

Very nice test. Very interesting results as well, Thank you very much!

This is a nice video comparison! Very well done! I've been learning from you for a long time now. And I'm very excited to know that down khatra is the fastest. I have experimented with all khatra techniques you have shown in the last years. The "down", or "forward" khatra is not only the most efficient but, at least for me, it is also the most accurate. Not sure why, but I always experience a considerable drop in my accuracy when trying side khatra. Probably because of the horizontal movement of the bow, that if made a millisecond out of timing with the arrow release, the effect in the arrow trajectory will be significant, especially for medium to long range shooting. The vertical movement of the bow, when performing forward Khatra seems to not suffer from this effect, hence the better and more consistent accuracy. I have also tried the string twist technique you teach, but somehow I just can't figure it out. It seems to actually work, for dealing with the archer's paradox, the arrows do fly "straight", but nothing much better than just doing Khatra already achieves. However, it decreases my accuracy greatly, even more than when trying sideways khatra. Maybe the fact that I shoot with thumb ring has something to do with it ( I use 75 lb bow, it's not healthy to shoot for a long time without protection). Love your videos, best regards from Brazil.

One thing that I think could be interesting is to test the arrow speed at a distance further away from the bow than just a few meters. Assuming khatra reduces the contact between bow and arrow during the release, even with an overspined arrow, it should result in cleaner, less wobbly flight. With less energy loss to arrow wobble during flight I would expect the benefits could be greater if measured at 20 or 30 meters. Would you be interested in testing this hypothesis?

You always inspire me to get back out and shoot which is especially nice during this pandemic.

Excellent tutorial the comparison shows that different types of khatra can be used in different situations for speed and consistent shot strength. I would like to see this same comparison based on penetration. I think that would be very useful also. Thank you for another great video to get your mind thinking.

you have 1 great arrow in the quiver :) mark the arrows 1 to 6 , allways do the same sequence to ensure arrow difference is not an effect.

Thanks for sharing. Perhaps you may try the experiment again another day but the other way round (shooting side+down+string twist first, and shooting no khatra at last) to minimize the effect of diminishing in strength.

I love your videos and saying that i had watched a prior video of you showing how to draw back using with a slight twist/bend in the string , and i have to say i had tried it and the results were nothing short of unbelievable.... my arrow not only seemed to launch itself but with a unseen amount of more power and accuracy..thank you very much for these videos.

Just starting the twist. I am not quite getting it all together as yet. But I,m getting more consistant. Thanks to your videos. 👌👍

Thank you sir but I Guest before you did the results😁👍🏼👍🏼

Thanks for these shorter but still very informative videos.. ^^.

I thought that it would be faster. Seeing actual results is reassuring. 👍

Great video. Thank you for your work.

Great work Armin! I am sure you very pleasant for you too making this video! wonder how it look for me. I try to figure a way without video. tanks also for inspiring..

Thank you

Very informative comparison and have shared this with club members. Of course, the results are peculiar to Mr. Hirmer but now, with measured results... Asiatic bow archers will have deep thoughts about this. Thank you. 🙏

Never thought that.

I personally do the side khatra. I get pretty good accuracy than without a khatra. I will be practising the down+side khatra when the public range is open again. No "Tszoo"? Next test should be group size at various distance with speed comparison. That would be nice to see. Vielen danke für die Testergebnisse.

I'll take down Katra for three please. Stance vertical and horizontal in balance with energy flow at Maximum. In the zone 5X5.

Nice 😁

I get similar results. about 8 percent. and i am not good at it. I found this accidentally and called it erroneously snap shooting.

Thanks fo your tips about khatra👍👍👍👍

Armin, could you re-analyze this video? I cannot be sure, but i think i see anchor point for no kathra at least 1 inch closer to the bow.

The most inconsistent was the torque, and I think that is because if you try to do it "consciously" you won't be as precise, as if you just let it happen. Your body knows (and learns) better than your mind. I always do this slightly "happening" side khatra with my bow, because it is a long and heavy one and you can't tilt it forward that fast...

i guess the only issue is that not using exactly same arrows. just pointing out for the sake of scientific method.

Ah my favorite archery controversy haha

Very clear table

Interesting. It seems that the no-khatra was more consistent, and since arrow speed also affects where in arrow hits, perhaps no-khatra will give higher precision?

I'm really surprised that such a recorved bow with siyahs is only shooting in the 150 range... is that normal? Even selfbows tend to shoot in the 170s if they are well made. Or are these arrows heavier than others? I thought these would be shooting in the 190s at least.

Any chance you could include the make and model of bow(s) you are using in the video, in the text description of your videos? I love your videos!

Another great video you are making my lock down in the UK a lot more interesting. One quick question if you don't mind, if you could only keep one of your bows which would it be 😊 always a different question to answer

Very interesting how down khatra was so consistent... I think I'll start practicing that. I personally would've considered that 130 a fluke tho, lol

Very interesting, so with khatra (properly) applied, the string pushes further the arrow increasing the speed by using momentum ? Great video as always Master Armin. Thank you so much!

Interesting viewing.

Interesting test. Thank you @Armin. Is there any logic reason why down khatra is fastest?

What about accuracy?

It looks like its just a matter of preference and practice. All these methods accomplish the same thing, its just a matter of what you've gotten used to. I mean I have a different version of khatra compared to yourself Armin, and they come out super straight and faster than I could have had with 3 finger. Just due to draw length. My 3 finger draw is about 27" while my thumb draw is 32.5~33.5"

that down kathra has consistent speed showing that the arrow is stable which could be means more accuracy and highest speed too

Have you ever tried shooting two arrows at once? Can it be useful?When trying I usually have results changing in every shot

Very interesting

Hey Armin, what pound is the bow @28', whats your draw length?, and what are the arrow weights please, Cheers brother :)

Nice video Armin congrats ! I have a question for you . What it is your favorite bow , let's say if you have to chose juste one !?

Aloha from Hawaii. I took my Nomad Warrior to the range for the first time yesterday, (everyone else shooting compounds) but shot Mediterranean. Not ready for thumb release. I could see that my arrows were flying cockeyed. Not that I can perform Khatra shooting Mediterranean. When I begin thumb release is Khatra also getting the bow out of the way so the arrow can fly straighter?

Is Khatra comparative with slingshot technique? I remember when stationen i Iraq, the kids with slingshot seem to have used Khatra. Had no knowledge of it at the time, but I remember thier movements quite good. Also slings have the same momentum technique.

Hallo Armin, denkst du, dass eine Steinschleuder ein brauchbares Übungswerkzeug für die Bogenhand wäre, um die Khatra Bewegung ins Muskelgedächtnis zu bekommen? Oder ist der Unterschied zu einem Bogen zu groß, so dass man sich dadurch falsche Bewegungen antrainiert, die sich negativ auswirken.

Superb demonstration sir, have been watching your “lessons” for a while, improved my technique a lot thanks to you, even for me being a lone trainer. Just watched the video from another bow TUBER, who claims khatra is only fiction, man it would be hurt to throw aways the smart, open minded fan, and retains all the idiots with him due to one single show-off video to prove the smartness he has. It’s kind of .... well you know.

That's a very interesting experimental test, but do you have any idea why there's so much difference?

Perhaps it's just me but all styles of khatra seemed to be quieter than without.

nice master... I like u..

It looks like you gain 10 feet a second by not having all that drag on the side of the bow

that's not my opinion....see also the video from Murat Özvery. it seems to low power in the bowhand, thatswhy the big range of results! At my point of sight no representative results

I don't think it's very accurate if you keep moving closer to the chronograph.

Nice 😁