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wonder if he was connected to Ali Mohammed the triple agent that was in the U.S. military. Had been in the Egyptian military and was apart of the unit that assassinated Anwar Sadat, and had access to FT. Bragg and the JFK Special Warefare School. During that entire time was the Security Chief for Bin Laden.
I worked with Scott (southside) when he was a BW contractor he was a very good and solid guy and he will be missed. I knew he was there but I didn't know he went to work full time as GRS so it was news to me, good interview. I had heard what happened while working and everyone knew what really got those guys killed and simply put it was ambition. The female in charge totally screwed those guys by tying their hands and not letting them do their jobs especially when so many red flags were popping up, for example there is no reason Americans can't search the car, it's Afghanistan cars get searched everywhere asking for this alone should have been a huge red flag. What I really don't understand is why they didn't have a dog at least sniff the outside of the vehicle, the agency dogs are awesome and it would have easily detected that much explosives. Every site I have been to had explosive detection dogs maybe they didn't there but somebody on base probably did. This is a clear cut example of why you make SOP's and then follow them every time no matter what, hopefully it was lesson learned, but knowing the agency i really doubt it.
I was there that day as the dustoff medic from FOB Salerno. It was an fn mess of body parts. The CIA Mi-17 took almost all of the survivors back to the CSH and had a massive impact in saving their lives. I took one casualty back to the CSH. He had pieces of other people’s bodies stuck in him but was not critical. The doctors, nurses and med techs at ☘CSH did an amazing job of saving the ppl who could be saved. It was totally jacked.
@@rahulsudhir666 Honestly, I can’t remember what I saw at Chapman, Rahul. I remember landing about 50m east of the X, getting off the helicopter, a black space of time, and then walking my casualty back to our UH-60.
The inability to finish a sentence or form a complete thought when trying to recall events like this is a symptom of the trauma if the event. You can see it in a lot of veterans, unfortunately. People should be more respectful. Just because someone isn't crying and falling apart outwardly doesn't mean they aren't hurting.
Jeremy Wise and his brothers Beau and Ben all served in the military (Jeremy was a SEAL, Ben was a Green Beret, and Beau was a Marine). Jeremy was one of the contractors who was killed in the Camp Chapman bombing, and Ben was killed after being shot in Afghanistan in 2012. Both deaths caused Beau, the youngest brother, to be pulled from combat as he was the last surviving brother getting the title of Sole Survivor. Just a bit of backstory for just one of the people who was killed in this bombing.
Siblings michael, tito janet.... Were all singers and performers. Unfortunately hollywood has no sole survivor rule and all of the family was completely destroyed.
My uncle was a contractor building Guantanamo He used to show me blueprints I think he had Area 51 stuff in there too I was young and barely understood much but yea, there's that😊
I couldn’t imagine the things this man has seen. Such a horrific and incredible story. Nothing but respect and admiration for the men like him that put themselves in harms way for a greater cause. Respect, sir.
Idk man. I'd like to hear him off camera Too much b.s. went on and anyone close to the upper levels had to approve things or thru negligence walked into traps set up by our own govt slot of the time.
What greater cause? U.S has harmed more countries and people than it has helped. I have upmost respect for these guys, but let’s not pretend the U.S is some sort of champion of freedom, especially nowadays.
This guy has great insight, good lessons for everyone to learn regarding how to deal with management who does not take risk seriously and follow proper protocols to keep everyone as safe as they could possibly be. This also applies in a lot of situations, any place where protocols are needed to keep people safe.
Imagine that, you're standing there waiting to get blown up. Your enemy is willing to kill themselves, and everything around them. That's some crazy shit.
I worked with Scott (southside) when he was a BW contractor he was a very good and solid guy and he will be missed. I knew he was there but I didn't know he went to work full time as GRS so it was news to me, good interview. I had heard what happened while working and everyone knew what really got those guys killed and simply put it was ambition. The female in charge totally screwed those guys by tying their hands and not letting them do their jobs especially when so many red flags were popping up, for example there is no reason Americans can't search the car, it's Afghanistan cars get searched everywhere asking for this alone should have been a huge red flag. What I really don't understand is why they didn't have a dog at least sniff the outside of the vehicle, the agency dogs are awesome and it would have easily detected that much explosives. Every site I have been to had explosive detection dogs maybe they didn't there but somebody on base probably did. This is a clear cut example of why you make SOP's and then follow them every time no matter what, hopefully it was lesson learned, but knowing the agency i really doubt it.
@@_nick_d as she and any other leadershop issues! When it comes to life and death especially wartime then to hell with their diversity and affirmative action political bullshit, you need the best of the best and people who don't care to "offend" anyone when it comes to saving lives! Common sense ain't so fucking common. Bunch of bullshit, lost to a bunch of religious extremists?!? Fuck, and people laugh at Russia but neither them nor the US can politically win a damn thing! This war could've been "won" years ago. Same as Vietnam, it's the ridiculous ease at which politicians can start and pull out of wars that enrage warriors! What we really need is a fucking purge, they need real consequences for their fucked up thinking! If they think they can spit on warriors that they idolize, pose as, but secretly hate cuz they can't hack it and then pull shit like this they should be lined up on a fucking wall and made clear cut examples! You think those terrorists or hell even commandos will just take it? You really think they won't be led by their anger and hatred and now betrayal and come over here to attack us? Of course the fuckers responsible for this will never be attacked cuz they have the privilege of tax payer money funding the hired guns to protect them yet it'll be the godl star families and other innocent people who will once again have to deal with the newly equipped al queda and whatever else isis like bullshit that spontaneously gains momentum to show up and hurt people!
This was one of the best episodes. Shawn I want to hear you sit down and talk about Yemen and Columbia lol. I bet there is some good stuff in those trips.
I was in Kabul in January 2002. My unit (Lima 3/8) established the American Embassy. I had to search about a hundred Afghan workers every morning and did a bunch of meet and greets with the local tribal leaders. I was always worried about Suicide bombers. This is a sad story, sorry to hear about your guys. May they rest in peace.
This clip is a perfect illustration of why women shouldn't be in combat, let alone making decisions that endanger the lives of men. They simply are not capable. Just look at the decisions they make in their own lives.
@@JoBlakeLisbon the woman who gathered the overwhelming evidence of where bin Ladin was is a hero. The medics, the drivers, the 14 series, the women that are in FA. This is super touchy subject because I do agree that MOST women wouldn’t be cut for combat but you can also say the same for men. I hope that makes sense and doesn’t take away from the point you made. Just thought I’d say that. Have a good day 🫡
Leaders like this guy change your entire outlook on a certain unit, job or career in general. You remember people like him in leadership roles your entire life and you learn a lot from them. Some people are just born different and are destined for roles like that and they excel at them. He’s a great example of that in my opinion.
1st Group bookend Afghanistan with unit blood in or near Khost. SFC Nate Chapman (1-1 S.O./3rd Bn C/E) died early 2002 and MSG (ret.) Dane Parisi (3rd Group/ 1st Group Ops Det) was a Agency contractor that died during blast in Khost. Surprisingly the Movie "Zero Dark 30" casted a similar in appearance actor that portrayed Dane as the Security contractor that was attempting to safe guard compound by forcing vehicle to be checked properly at a standoff vehicle search area. R.I.P. bros. NOUS DEFIONS
I was at FOB Salerno in 08. They tried to run our gate. I was in charge of the detention night shift. They were trying to break out an HVT we had in my facility. That place was always hot!!
Holy Shit these stories are fucking insane You just wont Ever find a channel on YT like this anywhere but the Shawn Ryan Show This vids been pumped out are truly Amazing , just gripping stories! Thanks shawn
Watching that incident be portrait in the film Zero Dark Thirty was intense. Even as a random civilian I saw numerous red flags with the security. Always wondered if that actually went down that messy… crazy shit
It's definitley easy to pick up on watching the movie. Being there is a whole different thing... You have to remember at the time, the CIA analyst woman that was meeting him had dedicated her life to finding Bin Laden. Years of research and trying to find intelligence of his wereabouts for her, the CIA, and the American people, and of course families of 9/11 victims was riding on this guy being a legit source. She believed it so much that she started taking risks just to be able to talk to him and see him in person. Add that much passionate wanting, mixed with a person who wasn't experienced in on the ground war fighting and that's how it happened. You have to remember too Afghanistan wasn't a place of many IED's and VBEID's at the time. Iraq is where those threats were recognized by everyone because it happened everyday.... People don't understand the subtle decisions that get made in warzones. Make the wrong decision in a split second and you could get you killed..Get too aggressive and you alienate the local population by risking killing an innocent family that didn't know to stop... Things go wrong though
It’s an unfortunate story of certain people getting tunnel vision (which I can understand when you base your entire work career on finding OBL and this is your best lead), but it unfortunately caused a lot of protocols to be swept to the side. Those said protocols could have saved some lives that day…just a sad situation all around.
A perfect example of management not listening or respecting the guys on the front lines. “Management knows better. That’s why they are management. “ famous last words before a disaster.
The stupid cake. Triple Agent is a very good read. It is incredible to hear first hand these stories from people that were there and had inside dealings. The world would be a better place if people would just listen. I felt so bad for the innocents involved because of a certain person's arrogance.
Pulled perimeter security at camp chapman in 03’ as a cherry 11B. Did two mounted/dismounted patrols with a team. Remains the greatest moments of my life 😅😅
Great interview. He is so right. I just finished Triple Agent, and moving on to Dark Side by Jane Mayer and Forever Prisoner (re: Zayn - Abu Zubaydah). The docs Forever Prisoner by Alex Gibney and Manhunt Peter Bergen. When I'm interested in a subject especially about something like this I read everything I can. Oh Frontline Docs also.
balawi made a suicide video on his way to the meet, its chilling. "look, cia team, its not watch..its detonator, to kill as much as I can inshallah". while he pulls back his shirt and shows the trigger
Same thing here. I will read and watch tons of docs. I also like to see if an author just repeats the same old anecdotes about someone instead of a Eric Ives researched book. I usually read historical biographies that way I get the info on the person and LEARN about what was going on without reading a dry history book.
dont forget, he is trying extremely hard, not to give up any details of tactics & sources and still tell the tale. yes, it is a "hard" listen at times.
The search criteria was very normal for long term trusted informants they would call ahead and come straight through without searches because they feared being recognized at the gate if they were stopped and searched as the taliban had their guys undercover around the gates looking for informants and local translators.
In a perfect world, station managers are there to collect Intel. The operators are there to provide security. The station manager should never have the authority to override the operators on security issues. There are security procedures in place for a very good reason and they should never be deviated from to appease a potential asset. Again, this is in a perfect world.
12:02 put it this way I still have fkn nightmares from seeing what I seen that day. We were at FOB Salerno when the call came in and we arrived as dust off. 1 bird took all the injured survivors and then it was a cleanup from then on. There were body parts everywhere. Some of the survivors had other people’s bones sticking into them that’s how violent of an explosion it was. It was absolutely instantaneous for those that were ground zero of the blast. That’s the one & only rescue mission that I will never ever be able to get out of my head. It affects me to this day especially on the 4th of July where I see these young kids & adults too standing way too close to these fireworks just fills me with anxiety and I have to look away. The thought of being one of those survivors that had pieces of perhaps their friends bones sticking into them that they were just talking to seconds before is more than enough to keep you awake at night. The cleanup was much more brutal than seeing the survivors however. For those of you saying “it had to be a blood bath” no not really especially at ground zero bc when you take that big of an explosion with that much heat and pressure it typically dissipates all the blood and liquids from the initial sight of the blast. It doesn’t however evaporate it all bc when you found parts specifically limbs & torsos the blood and fluids were still there. Idk how many I’ve looked back on the situation as a whole and thought to myself. It’s the fkn CIA why would they feel that this was such a “great idea!?” Was it bc the guy was Jordanian & sure he was feeding them some information but isn’t that how all double agents who favor the other side always work? They give you what you wanna hear and all the time their also going back to their side giving them a lot more than their ever giving you and during that time their also making a plan to one day take out as many of your people as they can. It seems to me and I’m no intelligence expert I’m just a medic but it seems to me someone got a little too excited when they heard “I can give you UBL’s top guy” and so they decided to jump over as many of the lines in the process that normally would never be allowed.
I wonder if he was connected to Ali Mohammed the triple agent that was in the U.S. military. Had been in the Egyptian military and was apart of the unit that assassinated Anwar Sadat, and had access to FT. Bragg and the JFK Special Warfare School. During that entire time was the Security Chief for Bin Laden.
علي عبد السعود محمد Ali Abdul Saoud Mohamed is a double agent who is “suspected of providing information on al-Qaeda in an attempt to reduce his “ sentence…”
balawi wasn't connected to him. he was a dorky pediatrician who got famous by blogging under an alias on islamists websites. this led to him being nabbed by Jordanian intelligence and pissing his pants. then Jordanians sent him off to Pakistan where the dorks fantasy life was able to become his real life, i.e., he got to blow himself up... fun fact. at camp Chapman, the cia's chief of base had previously been a 40 + yo suburban mom living in VA with absolutely no warzone experience. she felt confident operating a cia base in one of the worlds most dangerous locations bc she "would never put herself in danger bc of her kids." how they let her in that position boggles the mind.
That’s pretty wild…my uncle was an instructor at the JFK special warfare school in Ft.Bragg, after he finished up in A Company, 1st Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group.
gotta see the full thing of this but I remember seeing what happened in Khost on the news and looking into it as I could and it was just sad and all. But I have to ask and if anyone here knows cool if not okay but I do security work myself (nothing like GRS) but why in the heck couldn't GRS have said hey either we do it this way or this person isn't getting on base. Were they out of the structure to have any kind of command. I know with the stuff that I do if we security says that person isn't getting on site they aren't.
That's what they wanted to do and should of but the guy had access to Bin Laden. They wanted him so bad that a few gave in to this guy and was going to do anything to keep him happy and to give up Bin Laden. But like Ninja said, the guy got too much access way too fast. Should of been a big red flag right there. They thought they could buy him off with a shit ton of money & a new life in a new country. But people like him don't care about money, they're 100% about Jihad and killing Americans. Crazy. But because of that bombing & the people who died, the lady friend went into the rabbits hole & came out with Bin Laden 2 years later.
From how it's been portrayed in media and alluded to in interviews by many former GRS members, station chiefs were/are arrogant intellectuals, individually focused, who often don't respect the opinions of security personnel. Essentially, they were in charge and felt they were smart enough to know better than the people who were far more qualified in specific key areas. That mindset cost many lives and I sincerely hope that administrative elements of the agency rooted that out, because frankly with the standards required for becoming a paramilitary member of the CIA, it's a complete waste to treat them as window dressing.
It sounds as if what occurred was impossible without the influence and cooperation of people on the inside by the same people who planned the attack. Their infiltration tactics very likely mimicked the same infiltration tactics used on them. The most difficult thing to see and to believe is the hustle being played on one’s self that looks exactly like the hustle one is playing on the target. The human errors in thought are several and combine to create a false belief that our hustle has hypnotized them. The errors in thought (to be avoided) include: a belief that the target doesn’t understand our ruse/hustle; that the target couldn’t piece together our ruse/hustle even if they saw enough pieces of it over several experiences; that the target hasn’t bought that information from someone on the inside with firsthand knowledge. Then again, that female decision-maker may have been “in another movie” creating a scene she could talk and write about later where she explains how she designed this “never-seen-before” approach to security that exposed so many valuable human assets to a probable (not certain nor just possible) enemy target including his bodyguards/entourage which naturally resulted in her next promotion and later her book and fees for the speech she was now giving - at least in the movie with her as the protagonist playing inside of her mind. How else does one explain creating a welcoming committee for a mastermind of so many deaths to allied forces. The term is ‘magical thinking’ which is a form of escape and a coping strategy for a job one is under-skilled to perform. Imagine a member of the female half of our species not listening and ignoring every caution communicated to her by male members of our species whose biological make-up is to protect (which is why only men talk about ‘spidy senses’) - ‘that never happens,’ no one has ever said. Understanding our biology is not mysoginistic - rather, it’s being rational and sane in order to stay alive. Hopefully the right lessons have been learned in order to improve future outcomes and to keep highly valuable friendly forces alive.
"How else does one explain creating a welcoming committee for a mastermind of so many deaths to allied forces." It is 100% explained by the degradation of the CIA's mission by Political Correctness: "Political correctness killed the CIA operations officer, the analyst, and the others supporting the meeting, just as surely as the blast and fragments from the package strapped under the bomber’s robe did. Every clandestine meeting with a terrorist is dangerous and potentially deadly. The meeting itself is a tiny part of the operation. Training and preparation, planning and cultural knowledge, understanding your asset’s personality, motivations, needs, and problems, are just a few of the issues that an operations officer must juggle and attempt to control. But the first step is the selection process itself that chooses candidates who will become operations officers in a war zone." They hire, promote, and put in charge people (mostly females) who have no business being in those roles. The girls who ran the show, and died in Khost were perfect examples of that. kentclizbe.substack.com/p/political-correctness-killed-7-at-khost
@@paulgracia2626 The man just confirmed it. Didi you watch the interview? Jennifer Matthews was so focused on what this potential spy could be instead of what he really was.
It happened on the base. The lady in charge of the meet had all the standard security procedures done away with. The enemy exploited her weakness and blew her and several others up in front of the toc
For those of you who would like some context on to what he’s talking about go watch “Zero Dark Thirty,” there is a scene that perfectly, captures the events that happened at Camp Chapman in Khost Where essentially the lead CIA agent, working the case got entirely too comfortable and/or complacent with the mission and the reality on the ground. Apparently in an effort to build “trust”with the “Asset” decided to forget about searching him thoroughly on the day of the meet. Which turned deadly when the Asset aka Jordanian born Doctor, turned Suicide Bomber/Martyr that would decide to clack off his VBIED and kill Americans, instead of work for them and give them intelligence that untimely could lead to OBL.
I’m just shocked. That they didn’t have guys on the wall making him get out. Open his jacket and spin around . And having or having a sniper on point .
For what it's worth and at 20 20 hindsight: the triple agent should have been stopped at the second perimeter and subjected to a zoom-like interview. If he did not agree he should have been snap-inspected, with absolutely no option. He would eventually have to blow himself up.
No one ever takes any blame in these interviews. Can't blame them. But no one can ever admit any fault. From Khost, Fallujah, Tora Bora...no one interviewed made a mistake...
He can't say her name. Jen Matthews named as the Queen of Torture. Showing up at Black Sites when she didn't need to be there. Composite of Bikowsky/Sheuer and Jen. Hailed as hero's and blamed his guys.
As a civilian and with everything I have read and researched She was a hard charger and was very rude in Alec Station. Just like Alfreda said get out of my way. OK George Tennent was pissed that the CIA dropped the ball..... then the FBI Ali Soufan and Steve Gaudin got info about KSM from Zayn right off the bat. Ali sends a nice cable to the CIA and up until then Tennent thought it was the CIA that got the info. And Tennent blows again.The CIA acted like a bunch of wacks. Jose Rodriguez all he wanted was torture. Did you see Zayn's torture drawings!! Morocco, Thailand, Egypt, Poland (he jsut wn a monetary from them lot of good they won't even let Zayn see the ocean. After what WE did NOT what he did. #3 what a freakin' joke.
I really wanted to listen to this story. Like, really! The title captivates. The story teller comes off like my grandpa muttering to himself in he basement. So boring you close the door, slowly walk away head hanging and shaking, and tell yourself " poor stupid old man."
I been to landstuhl and the feeling I get there I can't put into words. Thank God for my friends as it was a time in my life I really was at a crossroads. Listening to this the woman that was running point must have never been fishing as they threw bait in the water and she bit. I never been anywhere that just like dropped all security like that ...ever. Fuck I suspicious of everyone that's not American while I'm working and sure as shit someone would step up and pop smoke saying something.
Remember, most of the loss of life and limb to our military folks was at the behest of some old people in suits in Washington that don't want to do their job of focusing on the problems we have here at home.
I mean the torture trio apparently didn't follow the rules but good old Jose Rodriguez had their backs. Jen Matthews, Chief of Base Khost, Alfreda Bikowsky/Scheuer and the Queen of Torture Gina Haspiel 1st women Director CIA (gosh that was great at her hearing when a heckler yelled that and then said, "YOU ARE A TORTURER."
