Khotun Khan - Why Did He Fail to Take Tsushima? 

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why did he fail? simple the game is called "Ghost of Tsushima" not "Grandson of Genghis"

“To defeat an enemy, you must know them… Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art!” - Grand Admiral Thrawn

What I liked about Khotun Khan was that he rarely gave in to angry outbursts, and relied on mental manipulation in regards to Ryuzo's betrayal and Shimura's capture. It made him much more interesting as a villain to me

Kothun Khan was a very badass antagonist, had a brilliant characterization, he stole every scene he was in and you can see how much of a treat he is across the game, doing everything posible to secure the conquest of the island by any brutal mean imaginable, like the real mongols of the time. Maybe he failed in conquering Japan in the end, but still managed to effortlessly ruin the lives of everyone in Tsushima, including the vengeful ghost one that he unconsciously created.

Honestly all kutos to Kahn. He learned the language and culture of Tsushima and didn’t underestimate them. Jin was the reason for his fall. Hope in a hopeless situation

Bro studied the meta but runs into a rouge player

I was so confused because I thought the title said “Kotal Kahn” and I was about to be like woah wrong game, Cynic

Khotun Khan's greatest blunder, and the one that cost him his life, was looking down on the Japanese. If he had properly earned Tomoe and Ryuzo's trust and not their fear by treating them well, he would have had an easier time with the war. This also manifested with the way he dealt with Lord Shimura, or rather how he didn't. Khotun knew Shimura was honour-bound to never surrender, and should have executed him the first chance he got. A lack of thoroughness in the aftermath of Komoda beach also allowed Jin to survive and we know exactly how that turned out, the lack of diligence was probably caused by his knowledge that Samurai are too honorable to play dead but he failed to consider that someone may have been left on the near side of death's door and survived, even barely.

If Khotun wasn’t so determined to subdue Tsushima’s people by diplomacy and guile (essentially emotionally and mentally beating the people into submission), he could have won handily. He just NEEDED to force a surrender to prevent a martyr which may or may not manifest

Getting ghost of tsushima videos this long after release is evidence that we gotta have a sequel. One that reaches greater heights than the original.

Kyotun Khan really is a failure in the terms of the Mongol Conquerors as he wasn’t able to use the Allies he had to the best of his abilities. What made other mongol conquest’s successful was the fact that they were able to divide and conquer their foes by creating the divisions that their enemies had and literally help growth does divisions to the point of actual civil wars erupting within the enemies nations.

Khotun tried to take over with half baked knowlege. his plan was sound, but failed in practice because he didnt think it was importaint to know about them in a deeper level than the surface level. from the beginning, he believed that he is above them, so he never cared enough to learn about them properly.

Every time he offered the main character to surrender, i was saying in my head "Sorry but the game doesn't give me the option to do so"

The issue in his Eye was the hope that came with "Legends" the flame set by The Ghost, but we see how it wasn't just Jin. They kept going for Icons, breaking people, attacking temples, destroying Fox dens, killing them, spoiling graves, it still didn't work properly, we see other people besides Jin, breaking through his tactic, doing their most to supply hope even when they fall. Taka, is a great example, the Cedar Temple high monk, the Warrior monks. We see sacrifice for hope. I would mention Cedar... But every turn they chose to not help so...

He may have failed on taking over Tsushima But he sure as hell exposed the fatal flaw behind the shogunate/samurai's system and how deluged they were,unironically opened jin's eyes to see the bigger picture and overall broke spirits of the people of the island.

Fun fact: The english VA for Khan is the same actor who played Genghis Khan in the Night of the Museum films

I love your GoT lore videos bro! I've been watching them ever since I got the game on PC and completed my first playthrough

Honestly i think he leaned a bit too much into diplomacy he shouldve ended jin and shimura the second he got them compromised

1:02 most disrespectful moment....and at the same time...this was the moment we, the players, knew that this dude was NOT phuckin around.....he came here to win, came here to conquer....he didn't give 2 shits about honor.... "Lord adachi died with honor" YES THE FUCK HE DIDNT....

Honestly Jin was both the best and worst thing that could happen to Khotun Khan. Cause on one hand. He was such a threat that if it wasn’t for him. He would’ve steamrolled through Tsushima without any competition. But on the other. If he could just reach the mainland after gathering up the poison he learned from Jin poisoning his men. The fight there would’ve been a SLAUGHTER.

Now with AC Shadows announced and all its controversy and its inevitable comparison with Tsushima, I will write down my thoughts on how GoT could have been an AC game. So, the story is the same, but Yuna, is an assassin (by GoT timeline, they are already called assassins, not Hidden Ones), and it would introduce a new character, Yuna's master. Yuna's master is chinese, and came to Tsushima because he learned of Khan's plan to take the island. His attempts to warn off Yarikawa failed because of his dishonorable ways. So he focused on recruiting non-samurais to the cause. Yuna was his first apprentice (lets say there are a few more assassins, but they are all non-samurai, possible farmers or thieves that have been recruited and trained). When Yuna rescues Jin, she sees the potential of recruiting him. Having a samurai become an assassin would be a great asset for the brotherhood's cause. A samurai, with thgeir skillset, learning the ways and skills of the assassins? That's a horrible combination. So the story goes around the same, Yuna recruits Jin, Yuna and her master train Jin, but her master is then killed during one mission where he sacrificed himself to save both Yuna and Jin. He did it because he knew with Jin recruited, the odds would be on tsushima's and the brotherhood's favor. SO the story continues on as normal. Jin meets up with everyone he does in the story, just with the twist that he is an assassin now. And thus, has a new toy, the hidden blade (he doesn't need to cut his finger since Altair already resolved that). Ofc, The Khan is a templar, Jin becomes a master assassins at the end, and the choice to kill or spare Jin's uncle is left to the player. He becomes the Ghost of Tsushima, but instead of the head bandana, its a hood lol

One aspect of Khotun Khan that is interesting is his apparent open frankness behind closed doors, particularly his conversations with the monk Daizo. Yes it has elements of manipulation but given the personal tidbits Khotun talks about, from the symbolic release of his golden eagle to his origins. He's quite the antagonist for sure.

This game aligns with the book art of war by Sun tzu. Which argues in order to win a war was to Subdue your enemy without fighting in such that you have to gain them into your side. That’s why I think Khoton learned his enemies’ tradition etc. at the end he said “u kill me now and another will come” which mean jin won the battle but not the war since mongol or samurai hasn’t joined any side or philosophy. It wasn’t how big the army , kill count but how u can convince your enemy to join u

On an unrelated note, we gotta appreciate the power of the PS4 because that PC gameplay is choppy from time to time

Khotun: "I had a goddamn PLAN!"

So basically had the Khan actually treated them as human, even if enemies or an obstacle for conquest but as people and not doing shit like sparing Taka, he wouldve had more leverage and maybe genuine allies of Tsushima. Ryuzo and the Ronin Samurai were his best chance. They were the result of "dishonor" among the samurai who needed to find a means to make a living when no one else would help them. But things like "earn it" by making him burn his own people etc just made him and the Mongols at the end of the day.......their oppressors.

He only leaned the ways of the samurai so when jin uses ghost methods he is unprepared jin uses those methods to the dismay of his uncle but in the end it yields results

Dude, i've been playing tbis game without music for 2 years (half of my whole playtime) and i forgot how good it was

Khotun sounds a lot more menacing with Japanese dubs

This is one of the best ps4 games of them all and there were a lot of great games that generation id put this just behind Bloodborne and ahead of god of war and spiderman. I loved the story and loved your video than you for taking me back to that great story.

The fool was too arrogant and prideful from using the carrot and the stick to recruit slaves and servants to understand that you can also use an olive branch to make ALLIES.

I find it hard to hate Khotun. He's brilliant, ruthless, manipulative, and patient. He divides and conquers, he knows what to say to everyone, threatens the weak, entices the strong, rewards submissions, and punishes resistance. Had Khotun killed Jin when he was captured, the Khan would have won, since the Ghost was not what he learned about Japan. He should have been more brutal then.

The main issue was his ambition was not limited to tsushima otherwise he would have won easily. His main ambition was conquering main land and defeating kublai kahn by aligning with shimura and ghost. He had chances to kill both.

I was playing GoT on stream and I mentioned the fact that he has HUNDREDS of ships. I said “if each of those ships has at least 10-20 people on it and all the people on those ships went on land at once then Jin and everyone else would have been overwhelmed and defeated”

dude this video legitimately deserves more views

Great video to watch

He is Bond villain who telegraphs his plans and let his enemy escape, that's why

Alright, so Jin is probably a conduit. For anyone unaware, conduit is a term from the inFamaus franchise by sucker punch that describes a person with supernatural abilities. Those games actually describe that conduits show signs b4 ever getting powers, like surviving severe injuries. Also their powers can activate without ray-field technology, it just takes extreme focus, and some kind of ouside stimuli. Jin survives 2 near death experiences, then somehow the wind guides him, the animals aid him, the island hot springs heal him and give him strength, and he literally learns advanced techniques mid-battle and ends the duel using them perfectly. Not to mention the charms that allow lightning strikes to aid him, or hornets to protect him as he recovers. Jin is a conduit, and the island and its creatures give him strength.

I honestly would love a dlc for the game or just a whole new game where you play as a mongol. That would be fun for sure

Well when you're fighting a guy with a third person view and can heal cut wounds instantly then you're almost bound to fail

He studied About Samurai Ghost came out of syllabus

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Khotun Khan was tactically gifted and shrewd, but he was too busy on focusing for his next war rather than how to win the one he was on right then. He was so obsessed with planning to overthrow Kubiai that he forgot that in this war, Kublai was his ally and master, and he had more immediate problems to worry about. His obsession with trying to recruit Shimura and/or Jin doomed him in a way the historic Mongols that all but depopulated Tsushima were not. One thing I not: Khotun is described as the conqueror of Korea, which I think adds some interesting flavor. The Yuan were able to beat the Koreans into agreeing to basically become “Allies”/Vassals/Puppets with a Mongol Queen essentially ruling over Korea and Korean sailors and soldiers fighting alongside Chinese conscripts and the Mongols themselves in the invasions of Japan. Perhaps Khotun hoped to force Japan into a similar position to Korea for his ultimate showdown with his cousin. But ultimately Khotun’s biggest problems beyond Japanese plot armor was that he spent too much time faffing about and not enough time getting down to it, as well as Colossally misjudging Jin and Shimura in spite of supposedly having a masterful grasp on Japanese culture and politics. Shimura was a liability waiting to happen even if he had agreed and the Khan should have known this, unless he wanted an “ally” who would endlessly complain about every unchivalrous or dishonorable thing the Yuan did. Which would be a lot. As soon as Shimura refused on the beach the Kahn should have taken his head. Ditto with Jin (rather than trying to make Taka take it).

12:08 crazy point out....this wouldve been a harder game to play if yarikawa had been recruited into the mongol army...ooof

Because the people opposed his forces, as they could kill civilians with impunity, take their crops, disarm them, rape their women, and basically deny them any rights whatsoever. Oh…wait. No. That was the Samurai. Must have been the language barrier, then…

Why is the contrast so high?

Khotun’s Downfall was primarily because of Jin. Lets get that out of the way, The Ghost is praised for saving Tsushima for a good reason, and its not because that without Lord Sakai’s personal sacrifice, Lord Shimura would have been better off.

Before even watching, it’s obvious Khans biggest flaw was adaptation, he was expecting a honorable and noble enemy but Jin’s desperation led to a evolution and khan didn’t have a plan for that

Can you please make a video on my theory that in rdr2 Dutch left Aurthur to die so many times because Dutch wanted Aurthurs pain from TB to stop 🙏

Any videos about the real battle of tusumi

I love how the intro goes like "if the khan had planned all of his invasion how did it fail? How would it happen" ..like...how do you fkin think happened? The game its called Ghost of Tsushima, i mean 😂 he wouldnt have thought that a single samurái ninja was gonna solo his whole army

Well technically Khotan didn’t fall to take Tsushima. He just failed to hold on to it

Plot contrivance: the character

Because Jin Sakai is a legend in flesh.

He could have just killed Jin after he was caught lol

Without Jin, Khotun Khan would have taken Tsushima easily, look at what Shimura has done... Oh wait, nothing. I have more respect for the Khan than for Shimura.

He failed for plot convenience

Why did he fail? Because he made the very understandable mistake of not taking into consideration that there was a fucking Japanese super solider on the island protecting its inhabitance named Jin Sakai. Khotun was intelligent enough to capture his uncle, the other super soilder, but shimura was clever enough to keep yapping about honor instead of telling him how he gave Jin Batman levels of combat training.

Unfortunately as kings and generals commentated in his own video the mongols ran into fierce resistance further inland on the mainland Japan invasion

Khotun Khan expected to face Samurai but instead, he faced The Ghost. 🥷🏻

Besides Kothun Khan underestimating of his enemies His soliders were raiding villages , robbing and killing people Kothun Khan didn't understand his enemy well enough , why even keep Lord Shimura as a prisoner if all the samurai warriors were wiped out on Komoda's beach? The Khan could have gotten both Shimura's castle and Yarikawa's support just by having Shimura as his prisoner If Khan killed Shimura then he would have won the approval of the people in Yarikawa and destroyed the legend of a Samurai besides Jin of course Khan didn't learn from his mistakes when he captured Jin If he killed Jin right there , he would have destroyed Tsushima's hope If Shimura and the Shoguns knew of this , they would charge blindly at Shimura's camp and Khan could have killed them all with his traps

Hulagu idea change jin sakai👹

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khotun did everything right. Some may say that he should have killed Sakai but killing Sakai would have been counter-intuitive to his main goal since he basically became a head of tsushima. Bro got unlucky that he was in a game, irl he would his winning chance would have been 95% at least. He failed because this is a game

There could’ve been another mongol based game. Somewhere in the Golden Horde. How the mongols took the Russian principalities. Kiev etc,

Game's name should be Ghost of Tsushima ft. Home girl Yuna

To be fair, Jin pulls off some incredibly ridiculous feats that shouldn’t have been possible, otherwise Khan would’ve won

Well this is because of plot armor

Khotun Khan failed because of Jin Sakai. End of summary.

Fine. I’ll go play ghost of Tsushima again

Khotun Khan failed to conquer Tsushima because the Samurai Clans were better. The Mongols just pillaged and razed towns, where the Samurai actually worked with the locals.

I mean he didnt fail to take tsushima it was more so taken back

he failed prob cause he let the Ghost live multiple times cause he wanted to convert him

He failed because he threw Jin off the bridge 💀 had he ended Jin there, Shimura would have thrown Tsushimas remaining forces at him on that very bridge 💀

Ngl when you say it out loud the khan sounds kinda stupid. His plan hinges on every Samurai fighting the same way. The instant they start using unconventional tactics, he gets mollywhomped and not just by Jin, but by Ryuzo too. Sure Jin is definitely extraordinary, but the fact Ryuzo can put up a decent fight with his band of ronin goes to show how utterly inept the Khan is when his plan goes awry.

Eh storm 2 times at the same place

Hulagu invasion of Egypt 👹

He didnt make sure jin died he foolishy thrown jin in.the water expecting him to die

Why did khotun khan fall? Well you see it because of something called *plot armour*

He lost because he didn't act like mongols. His insistence on making shimura an ally was a huge mistake..

Bro thought he was pro before fighting a better pro player 😭🙏

Why did he fail? Because Gin has plot armor duh.

Unfortunately for Kothun, he pooks and sounds like Steven seagal. So in turn he inherited Steven seagal's incompetence.

He failed because an angry japanese man wanted to protect his small island

maturing is realising what jin did is the only way. the mongols would've conquered tsushima without the ghost

Funny since in real life the mongols took over Tsushima within a week before moving towards the mainland.

Plot

I would rather play as the Mongols. Got tired of being trapped in this Disney Samurai theme park real fast. It’s just this constant Japanese are noble good, Mongols are bad narrative all the way through.

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khan failed cuz jin is him

Because he was obese. Honestly all jokes aside as an obese person myself, the grandson of Gengis is kind of inspiring

Historically they took Tsushima.

Sorry bro but I can’t stand the way u say “Yarikawa” and “Shimura” 😭

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