Kia EV6 vs Volkswagen ID.4 - Which is the best family electric car? / Electrifying 

I would like to see one day comparison of Kia EV9, VW id Buzz as the familiest from each Brand ;) and than put it against R1S from Rivian on european soil. As always great content, thanks

You’d think they would, and they should. The channel is light on facts.

EV6 has the 7 year?

A negative for ev6 is mandatory servicing at 15k intervals. VW is nothing for the first 2 years. Still not mentioned on this review

@@tigertoo01 Is that a negative though? I felt a regular maintenance regardless of it being petrol or ev based should be a pro.

@@tigertoo01 Hardly a negative. For ICE vehicles, you have to have oil changes at 5k miles (or whatever is recommended) or risk voiding your engine warranty. It's actually pretty dumb if VW doesn't require servicing at certain use intervals.. (What if I drive 50k kms per year...first servicing after 100k? That make sense?)

Let's hope there is more than 1.

I was about to say the same Enyaq, Kia Niro-e, Ford Mustang Mach-e, Tesla Y are a better rivals for iD.4 crossover.. The EV6 should be compared on full electric hatch segment..( Ioniq 5, Tesla 3, iD3, Nissan Leaf) -They are All electrics but Different size classes..

Until you drive it in the winter. Then the best charging EV will turn into the worst. Lithium polymer batteries are the worst for colder climates. This is not an issue he you can pre heat the battery while driving to the charging station. Which you cant in the EV 6. Only while charging the pre heating is available. That means before charging the ice cold battery has to be heated and then you can start charging.

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 First of all before testing the EV6 in December 2 weeks ago, i have driven a while back 2 models of full electric Kia : electric-Soul & e-Niro but all of them seem to have issues pre-heating in the winter, second it also depends of the optional features selected on the car because it can have some new optional features that are not available on all markets or on all versions unless are specifically ordered & pre-payed in advance from the dealer only then all optional features will be on the owner car, and 3rd most of the issues in this discussion are caused by the dreadfully unreliable and quirky Kia Connect/UVO App & system. They both (and even the dealer) seem to be heavily relying on information from the Kia app. I’ve used the UVO app for about a full year on previously mentioned Kia models. It is widely accepted to be totally unreliable. The cars are great but the apps very much less so. The Kia app is still very useful but you have to get to know it’s foibles and accept it frequently returns incorrect status. Repeated refreshes of the app will sometimes eventually correct the status reports but i didn't have lot's of time with the EV6 since is still too fresh just about released in Europe specially in my area.. Hopefully any of these issues will be sorted & gone with software up-dates as well as with the new types of batteries with Aluminum ion-cells and graphene +Na sulphure mixtures which ar last-longer between charges & charge faster.. But i guess we will see what is next.

Is the lack of a rear windscreen wiper a problem in winter conditions? We don't have the EV6 yet in Canada.

@@vincentrobinet2713 it‘s not, the design of the rear and its ducktale actually keeps dirt away perfectly, i think you can see it quite well in björn nylands videos

@@gabriel-jk1mi thank you, I will look for those videos.

@@vincentrobinet2713 no problem, i actually just found it at minute 12:31 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1FYD00rvKhc.html

@@vincentrobinet2713 One of my concerns as well, but surprisingly not, it works really well without a wiper. But there are two concerns, the pre heating of the cabin don’t work and the over the air software updates is not in place yet. I expect updates during 2022.

Let's see if we will see this year the "model q or model 2" with a realistic range of 250 280 miles realistic range and new battery pack with a guarantee of 12 years or 250.000 miles and battery capacity 75 per cent after those miles! And we need a cheaper evs less than 25.000 pounds with 280 realistic miles even less even 20.000 pounds!!! And also we need real green energy and power and batteries recycling more than 95 per cent and able to be used for at least 3 or 4 more times,! Let's hope tesla or other companies are able to facilitate that in 2023 or 2024!!

Can't have the Enyaq beating everything, the wait time is now apparently 48 weeks. Selling more than they can make already.

VW just make bad EV, better buy Kia, Hyundai, Tesla.

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V2t? 🤣🤣🤣 Nice

I agree, trust is important, I wouldn't be surprised to see battery longevity problems with the VW range. Battery Life has lost 10% battery capacity in only a year with his ID3. He blames it on DC fast charging but this is where battery quality and charging speed management comes into play. Cars that coldgate do so for a reason.

My brother and I both got in the Kia the other day after we just been in an ID 4 and the ID 4 clearly had a much more refined interior more cool features! The Kia just looked cheap looking plastic everywhere. All of seats were not comfortable and everything looked cheap. We're definitely buying an ID 4!

How have you found the EV6?

@@mattmurdoch4345 the EV6 is a very reliable, comfortable and quick car. I’ve done just over 30k miles in it and it never had any real issues. I replace the rear tyres at around 26k which is more than I’d get from previous RWD cars. If you not bought one yet, definitely add the heat pump, I didn’t and that was a mistake.

Drum brakes are there for a reason. I drive a VW Passat GTE and my back disc brakes gets rusted because I don’t brake enough because of the regenerative braking. Drum brakes won’t rust

The lack of braking power / drum brakes are a complete dealbreaker for me. That's very disappointing to see drum brakes on a 42k car..

@@alexandergoldman drums are complete sealed unit. Cheap to replace. Long lasting. Regen can be relied on more so breaks don’t need to be disc. Breaking power seems ok in id3.

I agree with most of your point and I was one of the now former snobs having made the switch from German or Czech made cars to a Hyundai EV. But Tesla is still way ahead of the competition on many parameters and especially when using their own infrastructure on long trips. Not until we see the Genesis GV60 will we have a competitor closing in on the sublime integration of the UI, the software and Tesla's ability to pre-condition the battery pack for highest possible charging speed in the minutes leading up to arriving at their charging point. The Ioniq5 and the EV6 both let the heat-pump for the cabin use heat from the battery pack but in cold weather this means "cold gating" and slow charging speeds regardless of the DC charger being a UFC 350kW or not. I hope they will issue an update that allows for the driver to let the battery become slightly hotter while driving - only slightly for many reasons not least that if it becomes too hot charging speed also drops.

The value proposition on a Tesla is an interesting one. The Tesla price reflects the demand for the vehicle more so than the equipment level. I agree the kia is most likely a really good car. But it's still not as good on the basic elements such as drive train efficiency or wind resistance which is still a downfall of the legacy auto industry. Then you have the issue of scaling up production which kia is not investing enough in.

I agree and you have a rational point, but I will not ever again waste my money on anything with a VW badge on it. My own as well as several friends experiences from the last couple of years is filled with regrets as our/their VW/AUDI/SKODA cars have been left useless for months while waiting for someone i Germany figuring out how to swap some under-engineered part or realising that the software is still faulty or the update cannot be installed on the hardware-revision present in the car etc. has finally ended our 25 year-long irrational obsession with VAG. Even the official VW agency's own dealers are lying through their teeth and covering their incompetence. Even known faults documented in the erWIN system they refuse to fix - and this is not new, it also applied to my last ICE car. Several ID.3 cars have been bought back at huge losses to the owners. In one case with a "ID.3 MAX 1st" the loss was €9.000 after less than a year and just 7.000 km driven - the rest of the usual 30.000 km/year commute done in a diesel provided at a low lease, but not for free, by the dealer.

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@@antoniopalmero4063 Conan the Grammarian!

VW will bring V2L/V2H on their large battery MEB cars during this spring. That said, the EV6 is far more interesting than the id4 to me as well. For more room though, the sofa sibling does look interesting (though I am no SUV fan...)

I wouldn't expect them at American dealerships until the summer.

I'll answer a year later, yes it is.

I also had the same problems, but those went away when I switched to winter tires. I don't have any experience driving a rwd EV in snow, but because of the higher weight, I expect beter rear grip on an EV. The higher torque of the electric motor at low rpm could possibly make it worse though. So I would still recommend decent winter tires.

And the Worst quality car are ID.4. Typical VW crap.

@@brushlessdrive9250 wow you really like to make every commenter here who says they like the ID.4 aware of your opinion, eh? No one cares what you think unless you’re paying the financing on the car.

The Chinese manufacturers will dominate the EV era the same way the Japanese took over in the 80s and 90s. The Chinese MG is just a small insight into what’s coming from Geely, Nio, BYD, Xpeng, etc, etc. They have better tech, better range, look amazing and are a lot cheaper than European equivalents.

@@sandyfordd1843 I agree, some very exciting cars coming from China. VW should be really worried if the ID is their best effort !

I agree, the old guard is pretty much over. New players will dominate the EV market for the next 10 years. Tesla will stay at the top as they've really earned that spot. I think Korea and China will move up in the automotive world with Japan moving down. Europe appears to have missed a big opportunity with mixed results.

@@Rick9482 , in my country, VW EV sales went from practically zero sales at the start of the year to end up selling more EVs than any other brand. That’s very impressive, don’t discount decades-long customer loyalties coupled with traditional showrooms and established dealer “friendships”. VW are now the number one EV brand here, I don’t know how they did it, there are ID3 and ID4s everywhere, yet I could easily drive for a couple of days before seeing a Tesla. A huge amount of people don’t want flashy ultra-modern designs such as the gorgeous EV6 and the very nice Ionic 5, lots of buyers are very content with the IDs and even the very bland Skoda Enyaq. So don’t discount the possibility of huge EV sales from the very slow to change incumbents, (except for the Japanese auto manufacturers of course , they are dead in the water, just sitting ducks).

@@sandyfordd1843 Sounds like your right in the mix and know first hand but the Kia and Hyundai are much too new to have much sale numbers. Tesla, Germany should be up soon and this time next year we'll have a better picture. I actually wish them all success! I'm in Silicon Valley so a Model 3 LR was my natural choice. Been a year now and satisfaction is off the charts. I've yet to see a Mustang, Polestar or even an ID 4. I'm sure their out there but the number of Tesla vehicles is a bit overwhelming as they were born in the next town. My car was delivered to my apartment on Dec. 30, 2020 in "perfect" condition. ICE vehicles are so over!!!

I just commented on how bad both the head and tail lights were on a Tesla that we passed in traffic yesterday during heavy rain and fog. They were dim enough to be what I'd consider dangerous. If we wouldn't have made a mental note that it was there it would have been invisible. I doubt these would be much better because they prioritize efficiency over illumination

This is a British channel. Their cost is in pounds.

Bz4x is trash compare to this 2

@@saul71101 I love the bZ4X interior and the whole design. It’s cheaper too.

It’s the battery packs which are expensive to make but I remember Herbert Diess the CEO of the Volkswagen Group said battery pack costs should halve by 2025, so hopefully we will see prices start to fall from then onwards……………but we’ll see.

@@antonthompson7838 cheers for the info.

@@antonthompson7838 The Battery is cheaper then ever in history, and the price of the Battery have not gone to lover cost of the Car itself. If the Battery pack is 50% price in 2025, it will just go to the companies, not the customer.

@@antonthompson7838 Comparing an EV6 with something equivalent with cumbustion engine will bring you to the conclusion, there is no difference in price anymore. Same es VW. In Germany we get a lot of money from the government to support EV Buyers, which makes them really good deals at these conditions. If you want a cheat EV, go for a twingo ZE or a Dacia Spring.

Worst EV car make VW....

Having seen it in nature, I would prefer the Ioniq 5 over the EV6. VW id4 is quite clumbsy looking booring car

It's because you are vw fan, ID4 tail end is odd.

You know you can turn off the safety assistance features so the beeping noise goes away, right? Also, the consensus among all the top level auto enthusiasts and vloggers is that Hyundai/Kia/Genesis lane keep and driver assistance aids are among the best in the business and arguably closest to Tesla. Not sure what you're talking about...but you sound like you don't have a clue..

Certainly need to keep individual size in mind. I daily drive a Miata, so the EV6 looks like a minivan in comparison.

Cupra born? Renault megane e-tech? Citroen e-c4? Opel Mokka? Lots of choices in this segment :)

@@Brandofviti And Nissan Leaf. And Hyundai Kona. And Peugeot e-208. And Corsa-E. And Renault Zoe.

Cupra born is the better ID3.😉

@@mattleistner313 whilst I agree, the cupra did come later. Vw got the sales of a very good car. Cupra lost that but took the time to make a great one. Looking forward to the cupra tavascan

@@mattleistner313 I love all things Spanish.

I am 194 cm and have nice space in EV6

@@pwj9703 At the back? If yes, you must have very short legs.

@@cez8017 yes you are right there is not that much legroom but I can just be there with my legs at an angle but the ceiling height is ok. my neighbor has an ID4 from 2020 and it is constantly in the workshop with black screen. so I will never have a VW

@@pwj9703 it is not so much about the leg room, but the seat height, it is just too low. When you sit there your knees are getting too close to your ears. About ID4. I use it for half a year now. It is great car, very spacious, comfortable, solid. But the infotainment system is the worst possible. It almost takes the whole pleasure of driving EV away.

@@cez8017 😉👍it's the same thing i hear all the time with ID3 and ID4 I live in denmark and VW is now forced into take between 2-5,000 ID return because they go in black.

Not forgetting the charging curve as well

@@michaelheadley2041 Ev6 claim is 210 in 18 minutes, but that is wtlp so only if you drive like a saint in summer

That's your opinion. In North America, people buy CUVs more than anything, so most companies produce what people ask. BOLT EUV is a bit smaller, has a 50KW charger and the interior is not up to level to VW. But, that's subjective too. At the end of the day, a person buys what works for them regardless of your or my point of view.

Most people don't buy new cars. Only rich people do.

@@Lewis_Standing Not true. If you look at the top selling cars in most countries they tend to be small cheap cars, not exactly the type of cars rich people buy!

@@Lewis_Standing I buy a new car every 6-7 years and don't consider myself rich. I am a securities litigation consultant and own a tree farm and saw mill so I do better than most, but most profit gets reinvested into the business so my disposable income isn't impressive. I just think life is too short to spend it in a boring old commuter car.

Enyaq is more expensive? Almost cost as much as Q4

This is such an awful argument and one that goes AGAINST the VW. What if I drive 40k a year...first checkup is after 80k? You against automakers recommending oil changes at 5~8k too right? You think it's unfair that if ppl don't do oil changes, it voids their warranty?

@@alexandergoldman why would I care what service intervals are required for an ice vehicle? I drive an ev. The point being is that evs don't require servicing every 15k it's unnecessary. Ice vehicles require oil changes. So it makes perfect sense to do so at the recommended intervals.