Ironically, the person in charge of the game's historical accuracy was a woman. In Vice's rush to condemn this game for horseshit reasons, they ignore the fact that not only did a intelligent, driven woman work on the game, but that no hate or malice drove the decision to depict women in a certain manner, not to mention what Razor already did, that black people were not in this area of the world during the time period the game takes place in.
The thing that gets me, is that all of these people pushing for blacks to be in games, movies, etc aren't even black themselves. We don't really give a shit about the whole diversity thing but they're making a big deal out of it to make themselves look not racist.
D20asmr fucked up thing is I can bet money barely any black people actually care. Me and my friends ain't even notice not give a shit, I came for the game not the diversity. If I worried about races I'd play Skyrim lol those people are a little bright tho I'd expect atleast some what of a tan from being out in the sun working all day and such.
"The game is racist" Game sells a million copies "The game is too glitchy and racist" Game performs really well on the steam charts "T-the game is boring" Good job journos
I really havent seen too many people bitching about kingdom Come. Hell, plenty of my leftist comrades on twitter seem to be enjoying it. Why do reactionaries always make everything about race or 'sjw' boogeymen?
The Indispensable Chomsky - Being leftist doesn't automatically make you a SJW. Hell, I'm leftist myself but I would gut a SJW if I ever see one in person.
Well to be fair, it is really poorly optimized atm. I'm running an i5 7600k, 1060 and im getting lag spikes every 30 secs no matter the settings. The small amount of time i played was amazing though.
Not enough black people/10 It's funny because if a black dev team were making a game about pre-colonial Africa and people complained about 'lack of diversity', the devs could claim that it's accurate that way and that'd be the end of it. Or they'd be praised for being bold and progressive.
crossbones116 It would be the second one because remember children, diversity= no white people to them. I’ve also literally seen review sites saying that they’re not covering this game because GamerGate.
JoeRingo118 Those didn’t have the lead developer go on record saying that they support GamerGate. That’s the real reason they’re not covering it because “we don’t want to give coverage to someone we perceive as a bigot”.
Funny thing is there are black people in Yakuza... like, 3 of them. But they show up like once. Beyond that it's mainly Japanese with a smattering of Chinese and Koreans.
But... who wants to play a game set in pre-colonial (i'm assuming sub-saharan) africa? What would that gameplay even be? I mean, sure there would be lots of challenges to survive, but it'd be cheating if the player knew to not drink their own shit water.
Well, yeah. Christianity means objective moral values and no sexual degeneracy. The powers that be just can't have that. That's why Hitler and Stalin twisted it for their own gains, and that's why Pope Francis is such a fuckin commie.
2:59 Wait, so the game depicts Christians and Christianity in a positive light? I'm not even Christian but I think that's awesome seeing as so much contemporary media lambasts and caricaturizes Christiany. Quite refreshing.
Kind of, the Church is portrayed as rather corrupt, being the period when the Hussite heresy was spreading throughout Bohemia. But it's also the "social safety net" of the age, caring for the beggars and the wounded and its monks preserve the medical knowledge needed for a few quests.
Well, the game doesn't paint medieval Catholicism in an exclusively positive way. There's a priest (father Godwin) who whores and drinks around like a frat bro, and a certain sidequest has you investigating innocent people on behalf of the Inquisition, because their take on Christianity is branded as heresy; most 21st century people would think: what did they do wrong? On the other hand, there's the monks preserving knowledge and helping the refugees and the sick etc. The point is: the Catholic Church and Christianity were a bigger part of people's lives during the middle ages then they are today, and naturally it came with negatives (intolerance, superstition, dogmatism) and positives (a bonded community, help from the church, preservation of knowledge). A lot of wisdom and science was preserved and cultivated by the church (Monks founded the first university in 1008, copied writings from the Greeks and Romans, a very famous philosopher called Thomas Aquinas was a friar etc.). But the church was also full of greedy bishops, power-hungry cardinals, cruel inquisitioners, backwards friars and dumb priests.
Black guy here. Not only do I not mind there being no colored folk in the game, after 13 hours playing it so far...I don't plausibly see how you COULD fit a black person into the context of the world without completely shitting on the immersion.
Ozzy Dowery I mean you can the same way they got those cumans to come to that area or some shit it's not like other races are on a different planet lol I could care less damn self and I'm black but it's as simple as changing someone's color and that's it literally lol I'm more worried about the damn pop ins and save system than anything else, I don't even think it's us complaining about this which is the funny part. The fucked up part is people will think we ARE the ones complaining about this
Tbh these sjws especially in gaming journalism have been around for a quite a long time. Look up Adam Sessler's review of RE5 where literally complained about the game being racist because of Chris Redfield going around killing Black Africans. Yet let's completely ignore the fact that their no longer humans and are now zombified or that you can also play as Shiva a Black STARS agent that helps Chris on his journey through out the game. Or the pure fact that Black Africans are indigenous to a lot of Africa. Then there's the infamous Abby Heppe review of Metroid the other M where Morgan Web did the narration of her written review. In which she mainly complained more about the So called sexist actions of Samus's Admira's commands vs the actual gameplay. And we're talking as far back as 2008!
Exactly man. Nobody really objects to women or any nationality in a game so long as it's consistent and fits the story so you're immersed in the world. SJW's just don't get this
You make it sound like Arabs are black. The difference is that Europe and the Middle East have an entwined history and close proximity. Africans had never been to Europe unless they were brought on a European boat or with an Arab horde. The Arab hordes didn't reach deep into Europe mostly the Mediterranean. There would be no Africans living in Europe until at least the 13th century. There is lots of bs history that tries to depict certain historical figures as black that weren't. Especially those of N. African and Middle Eastern heritage.
" I am from this area. I know it better than you. This is my history. Don't tell me what my history is." BOOM! I'm buying this fucking game just because of that. Fuck Vice!
there this picture floating around on the internet of people as they put it, getting ill becuase of all the nazis who bought this game and making it a success. obviously these people use transgender furry avatars.
Let's make a period-accurate game about Operation Barbarossa told from the perspective of the Germans. I wonder if anybody would complain about there not being any playable black characters then.
I find it difficult to believe that some people actually think Moravia has something to do with the Moors. That's like saying the population of the Kingdom of Navarre were the Navajo. Just because the names are similar... I think we will actually see crusades in one of the following titles. It's supposed to be a trilogy and since the first installment is in 1403, the others could cover the Hussite Uprising in 1415 and the following crusades against the Hussites, initiated by Emperor Sigismund. Cant wait.
The first game launched with Act 1 of Henry's story, ACt 2 coming as a DLC later, and act 3 will be a standalone game... The sequels could go anwhere- I'd like a settlement period England one. (The act system was what I last heard from the Devs)
@@bjorntheviking6039 Looked it up "The region and former margraviate of Moravia, Morava in Czech, is named after its principal river Morava. It is theorized that the river's name is derived from Proto-Indo-European *mori: "waters", or indeed any word denoting water or a marsh.[14] " So yeah, no relation
The fact this has done so well already, will hopefully prove to the AAA devs that they should MAKE THE GAMES THEY FUCKING USE TO, instead of this casual bullshit, by no means is KCD perfect and there are things that I don't like about it, but the gameplay is solid, the combat system is one of the best I've played. RPG games should take note. This is the direction I want new RPG games to take.
Baleyg, the thing is thanks to lock on, it's very very hard to keep both of then in your view. And the enemies also have no stamina, so they can spam a endless amount of unblockable combos. In a nutshell the combat is made to be one on one and adding a other one is a compleet mess.
Enclave grunt: so in other words it's just like fighting irl. For the record, if you have some idea of real HEMA rules, you can easily fight as many as 3 or 4 oponents in kingdom come, with patience and a lot of maneuvering. You are not some superhero mutant chosen golden god who can walk into a group of 10 armored knights and decapitate all of them without breaking a sweat, you are an average Joe. At your best you are no better than a well trained veteran knight who lives by his sword. That means: no superhuman feats of killing multiple enemies like it's nothing. Also and I don't know how many people actually figured this out, but armor is HUGE in this game. As is weapon selection! Because again realism is taken into account. This means that if you are wearing a full suit of plate armor, and fighting a bunch of bandits with swords/knives/axes you can relatively easily just walk through most of their blows and decapitate them without ever getting more than a light wound in the process, but step the fuck back if someone comes swinging with a warhammer or a pick or something. In similar fashion, swords are amazing for cutting down bandits and unruly peasants, but armored knights? Try to bring something else to face them. The combat system knows how to reward skill and preparation without ever lapsing into "you are now the god, nobody can face you" like so many other "rpgs" do. Fights can be just as hard in the first few hours as they are in the end-game. Because you are one guy. A well trained, well equipped guy, but still just one guy, and a mob can always take you down.
Razor nailed it on this one. Glitches be damned, and mind you they will fix them. This is one of the best role playing games ever made, and that's saying a lot considering the competition.
No glitches not be damned. He still bashes witcher 3 because of glitches that have been patched out long ago and now that game works just fine. That is a double standard.
The thing is, the Witcher's glitches have been broadly ignored or played down by mainstream reviewers, while the game has little to no actuall fucking gameplay. An open RPG in the veins of an immersive sim is unavoidably glitchy, while a closed system with little possibility of interaction can assumed to be polished.
The difference between "why'd they push this out with these bugs" and "aww, the bugs are part of the charm" hinges solely on whether or not Bethesda's name shows up in the credits.
+Corey Brady Angry Joe conveniently overlooked many issues in Skyrim, Witcher 3 and Dragon Age Inquisition for which he bashed other games for. If you want to know what the popular opinion about a video game is, Angry Joe will tell you.
Constantin I think there is sense value in that perspective, just a little. Sometimes I would want to buy a game for the base, mindless pleasure of it and the mastery of the craft isn't a huge concern. Inquisition, though, was a complete let down
@Corey Brady to be quite honest, "the bugs are part of the charm" is almost a mantra for playing Dwarf Fortress, especially for people playing the first version of major DF releases.
Honestly, other than some graphical stuff(and one infinite loading screen that was probably a crash), Skyrim wasn't buggy for me, and I played the release edition on a PS3 that wasn't connected to the internet/PSN.
When this came out I was really proud at how people pushed back on the "not enough Blacks" cope. I remember Funhaus did a "review" of this game when it came out and they to complained that there weren't enough blacks and they got disliked to all hell. It was the most disliked video on their entire channel and the response was so bad they actually had to swallow their pride and release an apology video. The funniest part was you could tell James Willems really didn't want to apologize but he did it, even though he still kind of shit on people for having the correct opinion. God that was glorious to watch.
This game proved that you don't need to sell yourself to sjw critics to have a successful in the post modern world. I loved this game and it took me 50+ hours to finish the main mission. Compare that to the 4-8 hour campaigns in most games.
From what I can recall, it would be one thing if KCD was set in a region more frequented by trade routes. Like if, for instance, Prague was featured at all in the game. But the game’s technically set in a Bohemian backwater where its largest featured city still isn’t that large or bustling with trade, all things considered. And even fucking then, the most you’d see of a non-white person in that time period were foreign traders, the occasional traveler, and a few folks who’d either traded in or traveled to a particular place and wound up putting down roots. And that would be in the bustling centers of trade in that country. In a place like the setting of KCD, black or brown or whatever folks would be rarer than gold dust.
Even with trade, it would still make no sense. First, Europe never trade with subsaharian africans. Second, africans wouldn't roam around central europe risking their shit to be stole. They would sell them to the Ottomans, or to Venice, or to Genoa. Third, the Ottomans controlled north africa, and when they didn't the entire region turned to piracy, raiding european coasts and capturing slaves.
Alfredo di Nuzzo Even so, you did still have African traders and the like who traveled to Europe and would wind up settling there. Not in any particular abundance, of course.
setting a game in the crusades, that would be hilarious to see all the sjw's loose their mind about the representation of islam and the armies of christianity.
Modders will most likely create a mod for that. They're apparently modding a GoT overhaul for the game, so a Deus Vult conversion mod is totally doable.
I like the portrayal of Christianity here, in the land where Protestantism has its roots. Its heartwarming to see Christians in that timeframe, warts and all.
the cumans were a migratory people and that is reflected in their genetics "The study concluded that the mitochondrial motifs of Cumans from Csengele show the genetic admixtures with other populations rather than the ultimate genetic origins of the founders of Cuman culture. The study further mentioned, "This may be the result of the habits of the Cumanian nomads. Horsemen of the steppes formed a political unit that was independent from their maternal descent or their language and became members of a tribal confederation. According to legends, Cumanians frequently carried off women from raided territories. So the maternal lineages of a large part of the group would reflect the maternal lineage of those populations that had geographic connection with Cumanians during their migrations. Nevertheless, the Asian mitochondrial haplotype in sample Cu26 may still reflect the Asian origins of the Cumanians of Csengele. However, by the time the Cumanians left the Trans-Carpathian steppes and settled in Hungary, they had acquired several more westerly genetic elements, probably from the Slavic, Finno-Ugric, and Turkic-speaking peoples who inhabited the regions north of the Black and Caspian Seas." The results from the Cuman samples were plotted on a graph with other Eurasian populations, showing the genetic distances between them. The Eurasian populations were divided into two distinct clusters. One cluster contained all the Eastern and Central Asian populations and can be divided into two subclusters; one subcluster includes mainly Eastern Asian populations (Buryat, Korean and Kirghiz Lowland populations), and the other subcluster harbors mainly Central Asian populations (Mongolian, Kazakh, Kirghiz Highland and Uyghur populations). The second cluster contained the European populations. Inside the second cluster, based on HVS I motifs, a clear structure was not detectable, but almost all European populations, including the modern Hungarians, assembled in one section with small distances between each other. Cumans were outside this section; they were found to be above the abscissa of the graph - this is the population from the second cluster, which is closest to the East-Central Asian cluster. The modern Cumans of Csengele, Hungary are genetically nearest to the Finnish, Komi and Turkish populations.[116] The modern day Cuman descendants in Hungary are differentiated genetically from the Hungarians and other European populations.[117]"
The UK didn't see an influx of black people until after WW2 and that was formally the largest empire in the world, it comes as no surprise that a game set in the 15th century backwoods in Bohemia wouldn't have black people in it. I mean I thinks its fine that people are disappointed that the game doesn't have "diversity" but to label the dev's as racist is frustrating beyond belief.
Who said anything about sub Saharan Africans? Sub Saharan Africans are more genetically divergent from black North Africans than Europeans are from Chinese. That doesn't mean there weren't black Moors. Or blackamoors for that matter.
If Vice,Polygon,Kotaku and Zero Punctuation shit on a game then I know I should be paying attention to it.Moreover the silver lining of this ''muh racism'' drama has been that despite their best attempts to boycott the game,it's still a resounding success.This goes to show that they don't nearly have the power that they thought they did.
"I mean honestly the central question was like, is this game gonna have black people?" I said it during #GamerGate and I'll say it again - the gaming press needs to be Burned Down.
This isn’t The Last Jedi, it’s taking place in Europe in the 1400s. I understand there would be an argument of no black people if this took place during Africa During that time, but really? Why are there no black people in my RPG sandbox about Native Americans in North America in pre 1500? #soracist
I remember reading about some nuts who've gone on about how black people got to the Americas first, then somehow all died off/vanished/whatever and left no genuine evidence of it. Similarities of architecture, such as pyramids or stylized carvings, in their minds, could only be due to contact... Instead of both arising similarly due to how similar people are as a whole and how some things are almost universal across cultures (including pyramids being common structures, stylizing depictions of people, myths of a great flood, stories of dragons, and stories of people turning into animals). It's considered pseudoarcheology for a reason.
jpc1918 If you really look into the evidence Caucasians and Asians probably went to North America during the same time but with much more Asian numbers. North American DNA is a blend of Caucasian and Asian DNA as well as they found a lot of technology attributed to the Solutreans in North America. It was a combination of interbreeding and war that killed off the more Caucasian looking peoples.
This game is amazing and definitely deserves its praise. I'm glad warhorse didn't give in to the steaming pile of shit known as social justice like many other developers in the gaming industry.
lukazz434 Yeah, the scholars of the time believed elephants were bloody giant boars.... needless to say they'd completely freak out seing a black man...
People were really uneducated back then. I guess you don't need to know all that much to work all day in the field. One would say it might hinder your farming accumen.
I have this game on Xbox One and I love it after the first 2 patches. There is still some bugs in the game, but I haven't come across any game-crashing bugs or anything of that sort. I very much enjoy this game!
Coming back after the KCD2 announcement, I can only hope and dream that they have been as based with this game as they were with the first one. Best western RPG since Morrowind.
Ah, yes, the XV century black minority that arrived to Czech lands by sea, how could these horrible devs omit that? American journos have a horrible habit of assuming that Europe is and was as unified as their continent
Last time I checked, states didn't have a long history of wars between them and their borders were always open to each other. Plus they all use the same language. That is unification, even if just relative.
Everyone seems to assume that I meant absolute, non-stop unification which only fortifies my point. Just the fact that you take a war that happened 150ish years ago so seriously is a sign of how well off you guys are when it comes to neighbours, on a state scale at least. As for the 'continent' part, yeah, that was an error in writing. It's a continent-spanning nation is what I meant, and someone from NYC can easily communicate with someone in San Fran, despite the ridiculous distance between them. Me, I can go to Germany by car in a few hours but none of us will understand each other unless me and my conversation partner both decide to use English.
It's less an American thing in my experience and more so an 'academically dishonest pig' thing. They try to paint it that way to support the narrative they're pitching, anyone who didn't fail their Social Studies and World History courses in high school would know something about Europe's long history of turmoil. You are somewhat on to the fact that for the ignorant it would be natural to assume that, though. America as a nation was only founded in the waning years of the British Empire, after it was unified, and on the backs of the lower class and rebellious nobles standing side by side. That said, it's also incorrect to apply that logic to all states in American history -- especially where the country was founded, on its eastern coasts. Virginia and West Virginia perhaps has some of the bloodiest history of infighting in the country, especially during the Civil War.
You can't even get to a large city in the game. Their complaints might make some modicum of sense if you could access some metropolis like Prague or Venice, but you're so far into the backwoods that I wonder if "Deliverance" in the title refers to the movie.
I'd love a game set in the Crusades. Last game I remember doing that was Asscreed and, between the stupid animus bullshit and the repetitive objectives required to start each assassination, that game bored me to tears.
I'm late to this but I remember reading a hilarious article about this that chronicled the whole black people thing. It basically chronicled some supposed "experts" saying there were plenty of black people in Bohemia in this time period. Except it also chronicled when actual verifiable historians jumped on the bandwagon and stated in no uncertain terms that if a black person was in Bohemia then they were probably the slave of some merchant traveling around Europe. So they would have been extremely rare and deeply unusual to find in the specific time the game takes place. Even more so in the specific area the game takes place in. Was a glorious beat down in that article of the crazy people.
Shigeru Miyamoto once said “A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever.” Gamers need to take heed of this quote and stop bitching about delays
I just started playing this today. The writing is just absolutely fan fucking tastic. I picked up on enough subtleties in the heart-to-heart with Lady Stephanie (who at face value is an older married woman with a nurturing personality) to look up whether it's possible to court her. Sure enough, it is! And then Sir Divish is portrayed in the very next scene as such an absolute legend that I felt genuinely bad for wanting to sleep with his wife. All of that without a single overt word on the subject.
The god fearing in this game together with the absolute cultural and ethnical awareness was very soothing to me. I feel like white culture in its historical self gets less representation than ever.
"The central question" should never be "is there black people in it" unless it's about recreating sub-Saharan Africa. The central question was the degree to which historical realism was achieved, which isn't likely to include black people when the subject is medieval Europe. I think these diversity-pushing game critics want to stop such game worlds from being created because they wish to sever the very concept of a place without "people of color" from our collective awareness.
Adding "diversity" regardless of its utility to the narrative or gameplay in a medieval sim is to me a useless, sanctimonious, token effort. Just like in real life.
Was in the middle of downloading the game when all of a sudden, it's a bird, no it's a plane, NO IT'T MUTHA FUCKIN RAZORFIST!!! But then I thought, shit is he ranting about this game? Did i just waste my 60 hard earned bones on a pile of shit? Then I watch the video, and now my mutha fuckin download is mutha fuckin done... see ya...
Not gonna lie, it was hard for me to get into this game, until I ended up in Talmburg. The moment I got in there, it took me hours to lockpick everything until I had armor, a good bow, arrows to arm the Mongol hordes, a shield and more currency before I realized "Oh F*** me, I'm wearing the wrong but of cloth" before I could leave. The mechanics ended up having me like Brooks in Shawshank: I hated how annoying the limited saves and the complications in the lockpocking, then I came to learn and know them, and now I can't live without them (well, maybe the limited saves could be unlimited and not leave me slightly drunk.) And imagine my mind being blasted out of my ears when I found out burying your parents the way any good Christian would WAS THE PROLOGUE! And the rest of it was a historical fantasy epic where you engorged yourself within the politics of the world just trying to do a simple task of delivering a sword. It's basically the game that was missing from my historical fiction epic list. I had The Northman for film, Vinland Saga for Series, and now I got the game for this list of storytelling that gets me harder than Götz von Berlichingen's literal Iron Fist.
I still don't understand the color thing. When I play Dynasty Warriors, I don't give a damn about the fact that most of the whole cast is 90 different shades of HAN CHINESE while a small minority are Nanman foreigners. It's a game about yellow-skinned Asians fighting over the tattered remnants of the Han Empire during the last few decades of said Empire's existence. Why would I expect white or black people to show up in such a game? Can't people just accept that some games have historical context to stick to? If I made a game about pre-Macedonian Egypt, the cast is probably going to be all-black outside of the odd foreigner who obviously wouldn't be Germanic white.
Weird... I actually enjoy The Witcher 3 and was amazed I had never had a glitch in the game. Hope I have the same luck with Deliverance. It looks amazing.
This studio was able to outshine AAA RPG titles with a relatively minute budget. Imagine this studio with AAA budgets? Following the sales success of this game, the next warhorse game will only be more ambitious than this one. The competition is going to have to learn a thing or two, or be left in the dust. Fucking brilliant!
Having beaten the game a few months ago, I absolutely have to agree. It was a breath of fresh fucking air to finally play a role play game that expected the player to think while also not just fabricating shit to satisfying mandated diversity quotas.
to be fair releasing the game when they did was probably the smartest move they could make, they released it at a time it wasn't overshadowed by other games from bigger studios
yo imma hit the thumbs up cuz my guy mentioned Gothic its my favorite RPG and nothing till KCD sucked me in like that game reminds me to install that PoS again ...^^
KCD is an amazing RPG, easily the best RPG in the last 10 years if not more. Pretty much all of the glitches and problems the game had are fix plus the added a few DLC's which are also awesome. When I did my review for Cyberpunk I states that "2018's Kingdom Come: Deliverance is a much superior RPG experience over Cyberpunk 2077." KCD is the yard stick that I judge other RPG's with and even now most to even come close to measuring up. Can't wait till Kingdom Come 2.
