Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 - Lingering Will Cheap Strategies 

Take off High Jump for the Fenrir strat. I had issues stun locking enemies with it on

Imagine if in BBS you got to fight Sora as a secret boss, as Terra.

I defeated him once in the ps3 version and never again. The score is like: lingering will (8003) vs me (1)

"Because winning it with these combat exploits may be much less satisfying" I used berserk charge and was still satisfied... because it still took 40 tries. I cried. it was worth it.

NicoB accidentally discovered the berserk charge method in his blind KH2 LP and it was hilarious seeing his total confusion as it was happening

I tried Fenrir once. As a joke, and I'd already beaten him, but someone had told me about it and I didn't believe it.

I actually didn't know buffer jumping was a named thing, I just feel that's something that comes natural to you as you play the game for a long while.

I appreciate this. I regret not beating him on my PS2/PS3 days, now that I have the full complete edition on PS4 I might give it another go.

Hey Bizkit would you ever consider doing a Level 1 guide? I remember when I did my playthrough at level 1 I used your old LvL 1 playthrough for pointers, but I've always wondered how exactly a pro would go about it especially now that you've had more experience with the game.

Finally, someone pointed out that when LW gets pushed to a corner or a wall, he'll break out the infinite Fenrir strat.

What’s funny is that the easiest strat is the one where you have to have beaten Sephiroth first in order to use Fenrir lol

Secret bosses after the main story are the most enjoyable fights in Kingdom Hearts, hope KH3 doesn't disappoint.

I did the Berserk Charge strategy and after 3 or so hours of trying, it worked lol I also mashed Square so fast that it was technically considered proper timing by the game's standards

The first time I played, Sora, Donald, and Goofy were at lvl 99, with the strongest weapons. I got owned so much that I used the Fenrir jump slash strategy. But I knew I wasn’t going to have any personal closure if I left it at that. So I replayed it. Sora had all Hi-Potions except for 1 Mega-Potion, Donald and Goofy each had 1 Mega-Potion, 1 Ether, and the rest Hi-Potions. Sora equipped with the Ultima Keyblade (IE the best one), and Donald and Goofy with their strongest weapons. All of their moves were set to “use freely”, and the items were on “emergency only” each. And set them to “attack Sora’s target”. I used Limits so I’d be invincible during his moves, and so as soon as he drops his guard, I’d already be attacking him. If not, then I used the Genie summon (IE the best one) to do the same thing. And if neither are there, I just glide around until either meter was full. RINSE AND REPEAT, and I beat him in about 6-8 tries.

When you’re young beating it without cheaping it out. But when you’re old this hurts your hands, in a game of war there is no cheap way to defeat their enemies

I used the first strategy to beat both Lingering Will and Data Roxas. I'll edit when I beat any other data battles. Marluxia beaten.

At the Beginning. I still used the Cheap Strategies but for a few weeks now I can legitimately defeat him. As soon as you know how to deal with him, he is fine, only towards the end I have problems with him when he brings his seal attack. Your Lingering Will Guide helped me too. ^^

Ok I BELIEVE YOU

Eh, whatever works

I used Sorralam1's Boss Buster's strategy for Lingering Will

ok wow. normal looping sounds kinda like how i did it on my own. my kit was, ultima weapon,2 fullbloom+ max ap, donald save the queen goofster save the king+, and the good stuff without combo pluses. basically, i let him do his thing, followed by my counter, but stopping before his revenge because his ai still is stupid easy to control like that. if bike value = true, final form fire is your best bet. at least, that was my process. when he does the orb his revenge value goes down by 1 guard break explosion set, so be careful. after i got him to rage phase, i basically did the normal normal loop thing and made sure my back was to the wall so he wouldn't backsnipe me.

I believe there’s also the Stitch cheap strategy where once you summon you can continue the fight or do one of those loop hits. Stitch not only refills your HP and MP, though not always, he can also stun Lingering Will when he plays his ukulele.

Imagine u wake up one day and find a peter pan stuck to ur back

I beat him without cheesing and then after I just used the jump attack fenrir strat just to mess with him

I recently beat LW for the first time and I ended up using the Normal Looping strategy, but with a different way to hit revenge value. Now that I have fought honorably, it may be time to farm this sunnova with Fenrir...

damn i really needed this. money is tight

the Fenrir strat isn't stun locking them for me and I made sure to take off all combo pluses

BAN THE PAN

Rewatching this makes me remember I first beat lingering will was with goofy's limits

You can also cheese his desperation move by summoning stitch (i only did it because i couldnt parry his 3rd attack combo). After he finishes his Desperation move he lands and instantly gets stunned by stitch you can easily combo him afterwards + stitch also drops health orbs which resets your 1hp survive ability if you somehow mess up druing the desperation move

And SOME of us are just not dexterous enough to be capable of beating him. I know him inside and out, but can't beat him without stunlock because I lack the finger dexterity.

I beat him legit once in the PS3 version and have cheesed him ever since. Granted in boss/enemy rando today I did try fighting him legit in Xaldin's arena and throwing in Beast's Limit. It would have worked, too, if I didn't run out of Ethers.

Personnaly I would have never beaten Lw without the last two cheap strats I don't believe to have ruined my experience because of it, I was on him for almost a year and half (first time attempting to actually beat him on critical mode never tried before bc each time I was rekt by him) and I believe these strats are the more safe to use considering you only need to get what revenge value is and how to use it at your advantage properly assuming you don't want to deal with his berserk move once you know how deadly they are... Btw is the game that different on ps4 ? I've only owned the ps3 vers so I can't tell

Me: did staff. Oh yeah, its gamer time

I'm not getting that sword animation after (I think) following all the abilities advice posted everywhere for the negative combo strat. Is there like a finisher button i'm not pressing? I'm just doing O X O X. With my shitty sword animation i got him down one bar... I'm so annoyed I can't figure out what I did wrong.

Awesome vid man, love your channel. KH3 so soon!

Love the content Biz! Where are the Barbie strats xD!?

Its funny about the berserk charge strat, cause i used berserk charge everytime i fought him, i just never used the stunlock version. I would just spam it, and i fought him so much that i actually found out that i can use it 10 or 11 times before he would retaliate.

When I fought him, I found Stitch to be a little cheesy too since he can easily stun lock Lingering Will after doing his attacks with the ukelele.

In theory, couldn't you mix the final form firaga with the horizontal slash cheese?

"It maybe more satisfying to fight him without these tactics" Me who tried a lot of times: *Uses the fenrir tactic*

I still have a question, during the fenrir negative combo strategy, can you change the direction of your hits so he doesn't touch the wall?

I accidently ended up basically doing the Berserk Charge strat on my own just out of frustration and experimentation but tbh I wanna try all these others myself now.

sorry for the noobish question, but how does ps4 emulation work. is there a separate emulator or is it just the remote play thing? If it is an emulator, where would you get isos/roms? Like does it just have a setting to read the ps4 disc off your pc like rpcs3?

why don't you have beserk charge AND fatal crest, your strength will increse by 4

He looks really scary but once you figure out how he works, the fight isn't too bad

Is this patched?? My sora does a different animation every time and I follow exactly what you did in the video. Feed back?

But if looping is considered at least some what too easy then how would you fight LW “fairly” if going past the revenge value means an auto retaliation breaking through most finishers, combos or general attacks? I’m genuinely asking cuz I feel like I’m missing something.

I'd consider these strats if I'm playing BBS with terra and rage because of Terra's garbage slide dodge. Then I'll switch and play KH2 to beat lingering will to feel better :)

So, what makes the difference between valid strategies and cheap ones? After all, both are strategies to not get hit, damage him, and can fail

Trying to do the first method but when I jump n hit lingering will I hits him more than once , I am unsure what I am doing wrong

I was level 99 for sora donald and goofy, i used the ultima key and i used duck flare, worked very well

I beat this fight earlier today. It was on standard as it was my first playthrough, and it felt great. Until I found out that I accidentally did a cheese strat.

it was going to feel rewarding you if I did cheese the fight

Great videos as always.

Hi Biz it’s me Aidan Zack Lagaces son nice vid I just started watching and now I look up to u

I just cheesed him off with Donald's Comet a few days ago. Not Duck Flare though. I don't feel caught 👀

My pride won't let me do any of these besides the normal looping for the DM phase. Might try not looping that on my next kh2fm run

I beat Lingering Will on Critical without cheesing him but I did use items and drive forms. Plus I was level 99.

I'm getting a weird result. I've beaten LW before but recently I decided to practice Crit Level 1 run by trying to face him at Lvl 99 on Crit but without Second Chance or Once More (since at LVL 1 I won't have those ever) Decisive Pumpkin in hand I do my three combos. Combo 1 end with Guard Break, Combo 2 Guars Break, Combo 3 Guard Break + Explosion. Revenge value triggered which is usually no problem, but with Pumkin equipped he almost always goes for laser spawn, but he is simultaneously fighting me OUT OF BIKE MODE. It's basically normal Phase 1 but with lasers. And without SC or OM it's hard to stay alive. Is this a result of doing too much damage too fast with "Combination Boost" or am I just getting an anomally?

Any chance you could upload the last randomised you did please?

Great vid!

My mentality is, if it dies I'm happy. Cheese or no, if the game says ya beat it, then it's legitimate to me. Now using methods outside of the game (cheats or hacks or whatever) then there's a problem. I am glad I have an answer to why the videos I have seen show no third combo finisher in stage 2.

Neat tricks but I could never bring myself to do that to lingy

And I'm still struggling to get a no guard, no glide, no loop level 1, (third phase lasers are the worst xD) , and this cheap strategies looks so pathe... well, ... you know it xD

Fenrir Stast: Bonk Bonk Bonk

This is why phantom aqua is a better secret boss then lingering will.

People mind-blowing over dead souls type games praising difficulty. Kh pulled this off in 2005

I defeated the Lingering Will on the PS4 but not the PS3

I'm guilty of using the Fenrir strategy... someday I'll beat him fairly, someday...

Thank you. I have now won.

I've never used a cheap strategy on him and I never will. I've beaten him on proud and critical.

I dunno how to beat him without Normal Looping, or most super bosses for that matter.

Dude help whenever I do negative combo strat on him he retaliates

I used stitch so he would always get staggered if he hit me or caught me off guard.

I was using final form and got him down to half health but died cause I forgot to change my items from ethers to elixirs

I've fought him like a hundred times and still can't win

Damn I spent the last four hours beating this man in critical. I finally have gold crown

This may be cheep but at this point u will try any plan

but can you fly him to the moon like with hades with valor genie? my guess: yes!! Bbiz's gold crown speedrun with hades: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_CBhRM93MxQ.htmlh47m55s

I just used stitch for the second phase of this fight

I dont support cheesing/cheap wins in anyway.... but good video.

I succeeded with the first exploit

You should make a video as to why 2FM has a better combat system than DDD and BBS. A lot of ppl I talked to usually say DDD and BBS has the best combat system and I just don't get why.

This is why phantom aqua is better to me.

I hate this boss. It's dumb. I'm level 99. HP is 120. MP is 140. AP is 179. Strength 87, Defense 80, and Magic 57. Limit and Forms are maxed. Once he goes to stage two, where he uses the move that turns the sky dark I can't kill him. I get trapped in his stupid magic spell and he wont use the canon move so I can use that to kill him. He will just ride his bike, fly, or attack me any other way except the canon move. The closes I got was 1 bar of health and I did because it was attack after attack. I've tried everything and I can't kill the dude!!

Maybe this is why Terra doesn't like furries (Fenrir)

How about this, spam square and x.

Iused the stitch combo

I strongly think the fenrir strat has been patch since he instantly kills Donald for me 100% of the time and I dont care for this fight honestly, it's cool and I can respect it but I'm not a player who can do it legit since it would take me years of practice. I just want to fully complete the game and he isnt accepting cheese, I'm tempted to jail break my ps4 and just give myself some cheats to tell this fight to fuck off honestly

Thumbs down because I cannot even touch LW to start the combo

It’s easy JUST SPAM ANTI FORM

This is just a glitch that should be fixed square Enix should make the enemy counter it this makes the game too easy the first trick I’m talking about

Beat this guy on normal crit, but now I'm doing level 1 crit and I'm not looking forward to this LOL

AKA Noobs strats Lol

Stitch is the cheapest strategy. You can do lv1 easily

I wish I was a bad enough dude to do a Lv1 CM run.

“best designed” I heavily respect you but no, no no no no. This fight is the antithesis of fun and player-friendly design. After finally beating him, I can confidently say that I will never understand why people relentlessly defend this fight. I’m a huge KH fan, I adore the mechanics of this game so deeply that it got me back into game development. But the wires in my brain do not connect for this fight. The lore, setting, music, and visual design are stellar and the rush of serotonin finally beating terra for the first time is good, but it shouldn’t feel like a 3-day-long demoralising chore to do.

i beat him with stich

And i thought i was cheap using stitch.