I have been using Phobya Nanogrease for a few years, VERY happy. I can confirm that the Phobya lasts longer because it is so thick and therefore the "Pump out" effect isn't as bad as with other, more liquid ones.
Isn’t the “pump out” effect that you actually want? You want as minimal thermal paste between the CPU or GPU surface and heatsink without any air gaps?
@@STORMFIRE07 No you don't want that. What happens at some stage of that Pump out effect is that the thermal conductivity gets lower, so you start having higher temperatures again.
@@STORMFIRE07 yes that's exactly what you want. A surface with minimal thermal compound is by far better as thermal compounds add a less conductive mass thus retaining more heat despite their usage to transfer said heat
KPX dried out pretty quickly, it is primarily meant for LN2 use where you change it regularly and even der8uer recommends changing kryonaut every 6 months. It is going to the same for most high performance pastes.
which paste do you think doesn’t need to be replaced that quickly? i am looking for a good thermal paste which doesn't need to be replaced as often, maybe after 2 years or so, phobya isn't available in my country
Thanks for the update video Bob! i had commented about my experience with KpX in the comparison video, talking about how well KpX had been running after i repasted a little over a month before that video. Here i am 7 months later, with exactly the same temps as the day I pasted, interestingly, I've been mining Ethereum( not advisable, i've gone above and beyond to ensure no harm is done to the laptop) since March 1 and still mining as I type this, pretty much without downtime since. I have no idea how the paste hasn't dried out or reduced in performance yet, maybe I'm just lucky. I clicked on this video fully expecting you to have a similar experience.
@@BobOfAllTrades No I would say either you got a bad batch or you may have not applied it covering the full die size. I have been using this for a long time now and I put this on my main PC two years ago with no changes in temp from the first day till now and I have put it through extreme testing, shut-downs over long periods of time and it still keeps working. Be on the lookout for the new KPX Ultra thermal paste in 2024!
Thank you for this video. I just built my first rigid tube water cooling setup with EK CPU and GPU blocks. I used KPX and plan on doing repastes yearly.
I used Gelid Extreme recently and was surprised how hard it was to spread. I'm hoping its not a paste that gives up in 6 months! It reduced my temp using Deepcool Z5 (plus dust cleaning) from 62c idle, 79c load down to 48c idle, 66c load. Really excited with these results, especially during the summer temps here.
sorry to rain on your parade, but a better TIM doesn't magically make the CPU run less hot.. it just dissipates heat into the heatsink/liquid better. that heat is still dispersed into your room over time. those watts don't just disappear :)
I bought phobya to my y540, and I'm so impressed. I went from 94°C pulling max 40W thermal throttling. To max 80°C avg. Pulling 50 to 60 watts. I highly recommend phobya nanogrease extreme.
Man I loved the Y540. Most reliable laptop I ever owned. I just moved over to an MSI Delta 15 and my god, I was surprised by the high temps. I’m going to get KPX or nanogrease
@@blocksrey yo, 8 months later, I went a step further by replacing the thermal paste with liquid metal. My cpu pulls 70-80 watts of power and my gpu overclocked by 170 mhz. And still my temps are around 80-85 for cpu and 60 for gpu. So if i would have an rtx 3070 or something with more power. My laptop would be a beast. Almost pc scores.
Will you be checking temps weekly/bi-weekly/monthly to get an idea of the degradation rate of KPx? Most enthusiasts change paste on the regular in exchange for top notch cooling at all times, but for someone who wants to set it (or have someone else set it) and forget it, KPx is not meant for longevity as witnessed bv your 6 month checkup. Good stuff!
i can tell you that thermal grizzly extreme and kingpin kpx is almost identical as i have seen the molecular photo and tested both with a 1c difference (margin of error)
I got the same results with KPX had to repaste .its a good paste but doesn't last so long I got maybe 5 to 6 months it performed amazingly well as good as Kryonaut although lasted a little less longer on my I7- I8750h ( these as everyone knows run super hot without a good paste) and GTX 1060 Max Q I got 90 to 92c under load for many hours, Metro last light, Forza , Tomb Raider, Outriders ..I had longer lasting use with Kryonaut awesome and Artic MX4 which is not as good as KPX and Kryonaut . KpX is great if you're willing to replace it every five or six months. Now I want to see what kryonaut extreme does I wait for that one Bob 👍 thanks for the 6mos follow up.
@@xt355 Artic MX4 because its what I had left over , but if I had to pic one I got the best temps from both Kryonaut and KPX which I desc above for most games 90c to 92c 👍under heavy CPU load with fans on (if you have manual fans your golden my Omen 15 unfortunately does not they are via built in automatic from factory ) ..meanwhile GPU under temps never went past 70c ✊ when fans kicked to max via so that was great..I recommend either Kryonaut or KpX if your ok tearing down your laptop if not ..Id go with Carbonaut..the no mess TIM that lasts and works as good as Artic MX4 which works good but not as good as the others however still better than stock just cut it to size lay it on. My next TIM to try will be Nanogrease extreme or Kryonaut Extreme.
Thank you Bob for reporting back on this. Is a common thing among thermal paste that the performance decline abruptly? After hearing that I'm glad I chose Nanogrease for my first repaste after 1 year, following your previous testing.
Thats a nice insight video! As I understood, KPx is the best of the best, but you have to repaste it every 6 months because of "pump-out"? Will it be the same "pump-out" thing If I apply it on my desktop PC's CPU and GPU? Will perform for longer before degrading temps? Which thermalpaste should I get?
I've seen the older and newer related videos. What's the best thermal compound (listed/named or not) that you've ever tested? And under which circumstances used/tested?
Have you tried re-torqueing the screws with old pastes? Possibly the gap from dry-out or pump-out can be closed and remainder of solids stays for longer?
The only thermal paste that should be used in laptops and GPU's are, Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut or Thermalright TFX. Both are high viscosity and do not suffer from "pump out" effect. I have used, TG kryonaut, Coolermaster Mastergel Pro, Noctua NT-H1/2 and Kingpin KPx and after 3 months, they all suffer from pump out, due to the high heat, high stress environment, any low viscosity thermal paste will suffer from this effect over time and not ideal for longevity.
Need to check your app and make sure you dont have any pump-out as I have been using KPX for over four years and never had any issues like this. My current PC I have not changed the KPX on it in two years and the temps are just as good as the first day I applied it. Be on the lookout for the new KPX Ultra Thermal paste as well
Thanks for the video! what about Phobya extreme? My Kryonaut still holds up well after 1.5 years of active use(24\7 rendering for months plus occasional gaming)
I’ve had really good luck with Kryonaut and talked about Phobya in this video as well as the part 1 of this 6 months ago. I use it often and it’s a great product.
thanks so much for testing this for everybody. and having the patience to keep on a daily driver. where to go from here? well it would be great if you can switch over to the phobya nanogrease. and then see how that one holds up instead. although might want to be switching over to a different laptop after so long. not that it matters which specific laptop. i just mean if you plan to switch over your own main gaming laptop in the near future. then there is no use starting a new test until then, if its is not going to also remain in use for at least 6 months going forwards. aah the difficulties of long term testing... it never stops
What's your thoughts on gelid gc extreme and kryonaut extreme? I don't want to dabble on liquid metal as I don't want to fry my laptop haha. Keep it ip Bob!
Hey what laptop was this on? JUST JOKING!! Great info!! I would personally keep repasting every 6 months for a 2-3c improvement over Phobya, I repaste anyway at 6-8months depending on temps. It would be nice to see the temperature curve during the 6 months compared to Phobya. If KPX keeps a 2-3c edge for 4 months then that would be my choice.
It was rock solid into month 5. I wasn’t expecting the video to go this way. My ambient changes with the seasons so 6 months and timing the ambient was a challenge by itself.
I'm about to repaste my 11700k and 3080.. Swapping out Kryonaut for KPx. I'll be sure to keep an eye on my temps, and I'll set a reminder to replace the paste in 5 months so it should be no problem. At the year mark, I'll most likely upgrade to 12th gen. That is, if the leaked 12th gen benchmarks are correct. TBH, my 10700K is a golden sample, while my 11700K is a little more difficult to push to its limits. But, I'm having fun playing around with them, so it's ok.
@@Astr0w TBH, my 11700k runs at 5.0Ghz 24/7. Had to push the voltage to 1.413, which is higher than I like. Temps are fine. CPU maxes 68C while gaming. NZXT X73 AIO. The 3080, no OC, hits around 74C 2025Mhz. It doesn't OC very well. If OC'd it hits 80C and max freq. @ 2055. If I push it any farther, it crashes with a Direct X "error". The 11700K nor the 3080 I have are "golden samples" like my 10700K. Also, it's been 7 months and I have not refreshed the KPx yet. Same temps. My case is a Lian Li Lancool 2, and I bought the mesh kit to replace the front and side panel.
In my country,can't buy Kingpin KPx. I use Artic Silver since 2008 and never had trouble,pump out effect, durability is great in my test. Some users on notebook forum, suggest Thermalrght TFX (put it in a hot glass of water before usage) specially for laptop, need a curing time as A.S 5. I receive mine next week and will give a try. (i usually put the pea or rice method).
Yeah suspected as much being an overcloker's thermal paste. I'm sticking with phobya nanogrease for gaming PCs or IC diamond for office/media PCs, best in class longevity after Liquid Metal.
The 6 months later shows worse temps than after one week, but I compared it to te results of the first video and found that it still performs slightly better of similar to the kryonaut and carbonaut when they were freshly applied. So can I conclude that KPx is better that Kryonaut and carbonaut?
I couldn't repaste every 6 months but after 5 yrs the paste performance wasn't that bad even with full dust just 2c above day one temps with cm maker gel. I do live in high ambient temperature 35c plus in India.
1:35 What are you trying to say? 😉 That first slide though I was almost ready to grab some of this and try it out. But that’s some quick degradation after only 6 months. I guess for benchmarking it would be great. But I think anyone chasing the top #1 spot will be using liquid metal or even some kind of temporary liquid cooled setup.
After 6 months it reached the other pastes thermals when they were fresh. To be fair comparison you should show how the other pastes degrade for the same amount of time. It is time consuming , yes. But that is the point of the video. To show is it worth compared to the other pastes used on the same machine.
I don't know if it was possible , but would have liked to see what would be the results if only the fans were cleaned properly rather than doing a whole repaste
How bad is MX-4 or MX-5 in comparison? I really need a repaste but I still have 6 months of warranty left. Actually my 10300H reaches throttling temp the same second I start cinebench or something like that and downclock to 3.8Ghz straight away. While gaming the cpu won't go over 3Ghz and that is with the fan set to max and high power preset while plugged in to the outlet. Should I use my warranty and let them repaste it instead maybe? It should go under warranty right? I mean it has a 1660 ti and in quake champions and valorant my fps drops to 60fps even with low settings. My girlfriends i5 4440 from 2013 with a 2GB GTX 960 performs better than this.
I have a zephyrus m 501 gtx 1070 i7 8750H. Even after undervolting the gpu and cpu, the temps are high after multiple attempts of repasting. The problem is that after a month or so the thermal paste pumps out and the temps increase as before. Which thermal paste would you suggest to address this pump out issue in my laptop?
Do you think it's a good idea for long term to have a thermal grizzly carbonaut pad on the Laptop GPU and thermal paste I believe it's thermal grizzly paste which is on the CPU
Kryo has been treating me well I guess a change is not needed. Thanks a lot for the video bob And Nvidia needs to get their shit together, the sooner we get LM on everything the faster we get to the no repaste life. #No_Mux_No_Bux
First and foremost Nvidia needs to bring back proper desktop grade GPU-s like they were in 1000 and 2000 series. Then they need to make manufacturers include a slider for wattage after disabling Dynamic Boost so we could choose how many watts go to the GPU so undervolting was as easy as before. In like 90% of cases an undervolted GPU has excellent temps.
@@tabalugadragon3555 I thought LM on GPUs was a dream, but trust me the day Nvidia does this is they day the world will end. What you want is impossible, as it will add infinite complication for both Nvidia and the laptop manufacturer.
@@awsan111 Eluctronics included that slider, lol, so it's far from impossible. And we already had desktop GPU-s in laptops for over 4 years. Also as practice shows, LM isn't that useful on the GPU, as it's mostly effective as very high temps GPU-s usually don't reach. I mean of course it's better than thermal paste but in case of GPU-s - not by much.
@@tabalugadragon3555 You are not getting my point: 1-LM is for longevity and no repaste for ever solution not only temps. 2-Eluktronics did that because they know their target audience and they are mostly knowledgeable and in the minimum watched a couple of youtube videos. if kids get a slider like this it wont help them get more performance it might make the gaming experience even worse. More wattage more heat more throttling then a bunch for RMAs for bad performance due to people just sliding everything to the max, learn from Lenovo they had amazing success with the Y530/540 Legion 5 and now with their new 5 pro (7 series too) with 0 control over anything even the fans cant be maxed like other laptops. 3-Yes we had Desktop GPUs but they were within wattage constraints these new GPUs are high wattage it is physically impossible to cool inside a laptop chassis, its a sacrifice Nvidia had to do to stay ahead of AMD if they were limiting the 3000 series wattage it would've been slower than AMD's current line up in the desktop world. +10 series was the only actual true GPU the 20 series was wattage neutered similar to the 30 series the only difference Nvidia learned from the 1660ti vs 2060 problem in the first gen laptops as both had similar performance although having different core numbers due to the similar wattage which proved that there is a sweet spot for cores and wattage that should be chosen for best performance in laptops. (Yes Nvidia are a bunch A Holes but remember they always want to stay ahead and giving you more performance is their objective , they cant fall for the same trap intel did)
@@awsan111 1. Doesn't LM get try in time as well? 2. Eluctronics and Lenovo - Lenovo is popular right now for high quality products overall. They have excellent build quality, screen, cooling, quiet fans and so on and so forth. I don't think ANYBODY appreciates the lack of control they give, they'd pretty much have perfect laptops if they allowed all sorts of tweaking like MSI and Eluctronics do. I am not saying "allow to give as much wattage as user wants" only within the spec the laptop supports, nothing more than that, not more than Dynamic boost either, so it would be safe for a laptop. When certain temps are reached a GPU throttles anyway so it wouldn't really be a problem, they just don't care about enthusiasts and don't wanna bother with it. Heck I'd gladly go for Eluctronics but their laptops aren't sold in my country. 3. Learn how voltage\frequency curves work. The lower the clockspeeds, the more efficient the CPU\GPU is, therefore more cores running at lower clockspeeds are far better than fewer cores running at higher, less efficient clockspeeds, meaning the more cores - the better. Notice how because laptop 3060 has more cores than the desktop version, even it's max q, 70 watt versio nis only 15 % slower than the desktop 3060 while working at less than half the power. No such luck with 3070 and as a result no matter how well cooled a laptop with it is it will never watch the desktop 3070, and 3080m is a scam because it's an entirely different GPU alltogether. The 1000 series was super close to desktops, the 2000 series was close in most cases, and the reason why 3080m is so pathetic is because of Nvidia's greed. Their goal is money only, not performance.
I read and hear about drying out of liquid metal after relative short time. and that it cant be used on aluminium heatsink... and it can spill onto and short electronic components... is it really worth it for a normal person who wants to cool the laptop better than stock option? In my opinion its not. And its good that the this reviewer says a little about that. I am going to give my 2 years old laptop a new layer of noctua thermal paste and will not experiment on liquid metal. Edit: After i tried using an old noctua thermal paste and found out it was not enough material of it to use on my laptop, i decided to try liquid metal just for fun. So i bought kryonaut lm and gave it a try. After doing it according to instructions, i must say applying it is not difficult at all. I used clear coat for car smart repair to isolate components around the gpu and cpu in case the LM would spill over to neighboring components. The result: Very impressive! Idle on cpu went from ~51c to ~43c and on gpu ~55c to ~47c. And load on heavy games on cpu from ~75c to ~63c and gpu from ~89c to ~80c. This on a RTX 2080 on a laptop and compared to original paste done by MSI(which is not that bad). Definitively going to use this for any high perfomance device i use regulatory, and might even use it on my gf's mac next time it needs new paste.
Any other recommendations for long lasting thermal paste for laptops? Great thermal pastes used in desktops doesn't apply here, we have more chances of pump out due to laptops moving around and dry out is faster due to higher temperatures
i have an hp omen 15 - old model 8750h+2060 with original thermal paste it has been 2 years and still holding good enough and i want to replace it with something last at least a year what do u think i should go ? kryonat ? ic daimond ? gc extreme ? which one is gonna age is the best ?
Hey Guys my friend has a Problem maybe you guys could help. He has an Msi Gf 63 with an gtx 1650 maxq and an i5 10300h and his Cpu runs at 45 watts in an Cpu stresstest. But the Moment the Gpu turns on The cpu gets limited to 25 watts and stays at around 70 to 75 degrees. And this causes Performance issues in Games which need Cpu power in his case Battleifled 5. But he also cant undervolt cause in throttlestop the sliders are greyed out so thats no way to improve cpu performance with this low watt. So is there anyway to increase the cpu power limit while the Gpu is running in this specific Laptop? I would really apreciate if you guys could help me to help him.
Hello, Bob! Kryonaut degrades more... after 1-2 months...and on 10 degrees...very dissapoited... My desktop I9-9900K@5000 could run it on LinX with 90-92 on the cores with a 30000 task...now, its 100+ after 30 sec...On my laptop GE 75 Raider 9SF, still stock thermal interface, just did undervolting at bios (-120mv), thx MSI for this option, best regards.
