I love Eggsy/Harry. I never really have a huge problem with age gaps as long as they're both consenting adults. I'm a big fan of the idea that you can find the love of your life at any age.
I agree, my Grandfather has a partner who's around 20 years younger and I find their relationship to be fine. I think it's fine if both are legal and consenting.
I disagree with the grooming in this particular ship. What attracts people is the contrast between the two and the similarities, one is a cold, witty, well spoken and seasoned spy gentleman, and the other is a young, fresh off of the streets, whip smart, unapologetically himself, down to his roots young man. I think what is attractive is that, even through the film, they learn to appreciate themselves as they are. Eggsy only transforms truly after Harry's demise. This is spurned from losing someone he has grown close to through what I view as organic emotions from both. Eggsy wasn't as much groomed as he was simply given a chance to become a Kingsman. Before he even met Harry, he has served in the marines, a gymnast, actively making thoughtful, loyal, and overall morally right decisions, he also had a streak of taking revenge (see: stolen car scene), which accounts for Harry's avenged death(which was also the saving of the world.) Harry didn't groom Eggsy, Eggsy was already exactly what a Kingsman needed to be. And those who disagree with age? That's sexualizing age. Eggsy is 24 in the movies, Harry is in his early 50s or late 40s I believe. Viewing age as something that makes you stop from shipping a ship like this, one which effortlessly conveys an entire spectrum of emotions and trials, is unfortunate for you.
My thing for Hartwin is definitely the praise kink. Eggsy' been kicked about for most of his life, and probably has a low self image of himself because it's built by what others have told him; but it doesn't stop him from trying-- and that's what makes him different and admirable. So I'd love to think praise from Harry is something he finds so startling and and awkward, like not paying attention and walking into a pole, kind of awkward. He tries to shake it off but still blushes. Harry would notice and continue with it just to tease Eggsy. And that's why praise kink is the best ❤️
I love kingsman! Its diversity, how the women were just as strong as the men, that the villain was squemish with blood, guns, or any other violence. I'm a hartwin shipper. Romance with kink, romance, non-sexual age play, etc. I eat it up. I think the connection they have is rare. I feel like harry was once like eggsy. Vulgar, disrespectful, impatient, and reckless (though obviously he and eggsy really have that in common). They trust one another, and that can be seen in so many ways. That is why when eggsy saw harry "die" I felt that pain too. These two are endgame for me cannon or fannon.
OMG is Hartwin!!!! This ship successfully pull me into the fantastic fandom world of shipping! I love these two characters. Harry is such a charming and representation of how a gentlemen should be and Eggsy is such a reverse of that. With such a contrast, Eggsy admires Harry and Harry do show affection to Eggsy. The journey of they put each other in their own shoes is an amazing story of them develop a relationship beyond a mentor and mentee. Also, the interactions between the two actors is bonus factor in the shipping of these two characters (basically Taron is a fanboy of Colin lol) Can't wait to see the 2nd movie how their relationship goes! (2 years of waiting and finally!!!!!!!!) PS can you make a video on Grandence (Percival Graves (the REAL one, NOT Gellert Grindelwald) and Credence Barebone) from Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them? There is so much more can be to talk about this ship
I'm just gonna leave some ship ideas here: - Jughead and Archie from Riverdale - Justin and Alex from 13 Reasons Why - Arthur and Eames from Inception - Jack and Norrington from PotC - Thomas and Newt from the Maze Runner trilogy
Hartwin took me slightly longer to get into because of the age gap thing but I am a sucker for cute fic. Cute fic will destroy most reservations I have if I'm on the fence about a ship
Odd request but could you make a video on shipping real people? (As in not actors or animated characters.) It's something I think affects the people within the ship in both good and bad ways, and I think you could offer some great insight on it!
Firefist321 yeeah I had septiplier in mind when writing this 😂 especially since on multiple occasions they've expressed they aren't 100% comfortable with it, and the fanbase can be relentless.
Personally not into this ship. I personally prefer a father figure mentuor Brotp relationship between these too. But I respect the angle people see in this ship. Just not for me because the age gap is so big. Like he saw eggsy when he was a tiny baby child. Ehhh just not for me but props to anyone who dose ship it.
Could you maybe do a video on Killing Stalking? exploring the appeal of unhealthy relationships? especially considering the backlash it faces being really different from what I experienced in the Hannibal fandom and its own unhealthy relationship? Love your videos and am looking forwards to seeing more soon :)
I love the movie and can't wait for the second one to come out. I am obsessed with Hartwin. Every couple of weeks I check AO3 for new stories. I prefer fluff over angst. I love AUs. I always skip dark fics and BDSM and D/S. I see Harry and Eggsy as equals.
Your mention of Arthur/Eames there near the end made me want to watch your vid on them - but then I realized it doesn't exist (yet!). Hope they're on your list to cover in the future!
Can I just say that I love the positive angle you're videos always take? You always take the time to analyze both sides of the argument and you always make sure to be respectful. You also cover so much per video and it's really amazing for me to see all these different perspectives presented side by side, without any judgement one way or another. I guess what I'm trying to say is, bloody well done.
Exactly as you said...it just happened. I personally never saw the father figure dynamic. It was more of a brotp add the great chemistry and in the end I shipped them full on.
as a massive hartwin fan i appreciate how you explored both sides to this somewhat controversial ship - although it IS sexualised most of us just do appreciate the genuine feelings they have for eachother towards the end of the film - thanks bro
I'm still crossing my fingers for a Napollya episode. cx I have to admit that even though I haven't seen this movie, the idea of this ship interests me. I've never minded age-gaps and mentor/apprentice and partner ships are my weak spot. I might have to check this movie out for the ship alone.
TheFirstHowl I love this bc The Man From Uncle is my favourite spy movie, and Kingsman is my second favourite spy movie. Also yes both pairings are gold
Ship Your Live if you like the movie, then you should check out the original series from the late 50s-early 60s. It starts of a little slow but it really have its own charm, and is a fun contrast to the new movie. You also get a little more shipping materials with the series.
I really like what you said about it being a case by case basis. I enjoy Hartwin but partly because the Hartwin fic I've read was all set after Eggsy's training and had the characters grappling with the issue of the age gap & power dynamic, plus Harry's always-fake death & its emotional consequences. Reading fic that didn't address that would make me super uncomfortable - I usually stay away from fic tagged student/teacher relationship for other ships unless I've read other works from that author and feel I can trust them with it.
Can you please do a Hartwin video where you talk more about the shipping of Hartwin as the main part of the video in this video Hartwin has taken the backseat role to other things.
This was informative and well-put-together. I find myself agreeing with your findings. I myself LOVE the Kingsmen and find myself in great joy with the sequel coming out! I also quite like the Hartwin pairing ;p
I just discovered your channel yesterday and slowly going through the videos. I love Hartwin so thank you for making this video. I really appreciate you showing the different sides of a ship. I'd love to see your take on McDanno (H50) or McShep (SGA) or Sterek.
I was such a fan of the first Kingsman movie and the trailer for the second one has got me so excited. I recently read a Hartwin fic, pretty sure the first one I ever have. Again, made me even more excited to see them up on screen again. I think I'll end up searching for more Hartwin fics, see if anything else strikes my fancy. Thanks for another wonderful video! I was so happy to see this.
I lol'd at the slip-in of Louis/Lestat ;) That must be an underground fic-dom, as Anne Rice explicitly said she does NOT want any fanfic of her characters and actively legally pursues people who write it....
Off topic but I legit just love how not angry-attackish the comments on this channels videos are. When you're on tumblr too long your just like "Oh good someones about to talk about a ship that may or may not have potentially problematic connotations... I guess people are gonna start fighting and stuff now...." and yet everybody, even those against the ship in each of the SGG videos are almost always so cool and polite!
Just an idea but can you do kink videos in fanfic going in depth about them. I know some but I'd like to know about others and the ones I do know, it would be nice to see someone explain them in a non bias academic way.
+Catherine Thurmond I have thought about diving into not just kink but some of the great tags that are out there. The world needs to know about whump lol
imo age gaps are only an issue when the younger is not legal in your country, which is the big problem since the age of consent is different throughout the world.
I ship Hartwin with all my heart. Actually, I think Hartwin is my top OTP (second is Johnlock and third is Wincest), idk why but I ship it really hard ;w;
This video was interesting but honestly I was so shocked and so happy about the visual shout out to stackie I was distracted for like another minute. (Nobody ever acknowledges them and I was overwhelmed)
Fantastic video as always!! Could you make a video on Beecher and Keller from Oz? It's an HBO show that ran from 1997-2002, set in a prison. Super complicated, interesting couple, so reasons to and not to ship are both very full and varied. Also, still an active, vibrant fandom despite the relatively lesser-known status of the show. If you don't want to watch/analyze this dark a show, I respect and understand that, but this is a pairing that is ripe for analysis. Thanks! Love your channel.
I love the movie but I have never actually thought about shipping in this movie... I kinda thought Eggsy and Roxy would most likely be endgame though... whether I wanted it or not
Damn, unfortunately we didn't even get Eggsy/Roxy. Kingsman 2 was a mess. (I don't ship Eggsy/Roxy, but they are my brotp and I hated it when they killed her off...)
Re-watching this after rewatching Kingsman, I forgot how much I liked Valentine/Gazelle, I think that made me someone how not look up Hartwin, but yeah, I gotta check out those fics.
My reason for being slightly squicked by this pairing is because Lee Unwin, Eggsy's dad, was also Harry's student--the same one whose death Harry felt responsible for. What was Harry's relationship with Lee like? Also there was an age gape between Harry and Lee as well. My favorite ship in Kingsman is Percilot--Percival and James Lancelot. It has a small following even though the characters did not interact.
I seriously love this channel. I had finally read through just about every decent and coherent Danny Phantom fan fiction I could find,crossovers included, on both Ao3, Fanfiction.net, and Wattpad and had no clue on what to jump into next. You are a godsend. I would also love a Danny Phantom video. Danny is hella a bicycle. Also, does anyone know any other sites or places to read fan fiction?
Love it & adore the shipp but then again, my daddy issues have daddy issues. The gay age-gap couples are always going to get my attention (Teen Wolf Sterek) but personally I prefer that as subtext to a genuine love between equals
The real deal about shipping a unhealthy pairing is the fact that you're open about it being unhealthy or not the best thing ,because making emends and putting it on a pedestal is what actually makes it unhealthy because you send the vision that this is okay to people who may not know what is okay,and get this image in their head that this ship is how a normal relationship should be,and these people are not only twelve years old's ,millions of adult women bought and loved Fifty Shades of Grey because from Ana's perspective everything is great and Grey's abusive behavior is a bad boy flaw "oh look he's so dark,and yeah that bothers me a little bit,the spanking thing,but he's complicated and handsome" and that can really hurt the a person's perspective and incline them to engage in some unhealthy relationship
I have no problem with a couple with an age gap as long as both parties are above the age of consent. But honestly I was never a fan of a romantic relationship between a student and a mentor/teacher no matter the age of both of both parties because of the fact that there will always be a power imbalance in favor of the mentor/teacher. But that is my personal opinion about the matter and I am not going to going to try to force people to see things the same way as I do because ship kinks exist and have a huge variety. I haven't see Kingsman yet, but I want to because this really reminds me of the Kick-Ass movies which I enjoy quite a bit, I just never get along to doing it. I will try to find the time to do it when I can.
Can I request Sterek? It's had a resurgence with both Stiles and Derek coming back for the last season of Teen Wolf and would be fun to hear the history of!
Kingsman is always going to have a little soft spot in my heart because it was the first R rated movie I saw in theatres... As a whole, I thought it was okay. A fun time but I've never gone out of my way to watch it again.
You should do a video on Scogan (Wolverine x Cyclops), it's a ship I think is really interesting, has a complex history and has a unique dynamic and it's pretty overlooked...even worse is the fact that most people ship it based on their film interactions and there's hardly any of those. Plus Wolverine is oddly so easy to ship with just about anyone.
i thought in cannon their relationship is purely platonic. but i can get the appeal to ship them. personally if i were to ship them Harry wouldn't be on top as the shipping name suggests.
I didn't know this was a ship but I quite like the idea to be honest. I wouldn't turn this into anything sexual but something bordering aromantic and asexual. The space quasiplatonic gray area that's not friends but maybe not full lovers.
My favorite Mentor/Mente pairing is Dr. Cox and J.D from Scrubs. I know the show has kind of fallen out of the limelight, but if you could make a shippers guide for these two then I'd give you my left kidney. Not my right (that one's my favorite 😆)
