KINSHI WAZA The Techniques Traditionally Prohibited in Kodokan Judo 

This video explains the techniques that Kodokan Judo has traditionally prohibited or banned in competition and (in some cases) training. The pros and cons of these techniques are presented. It's up to you to decide if you want to practice or use them. We have some more videos on our RU-vid channel on this subject. Comments are welcome but are moderated. Trolls and comments containing offensive language will not be shown and those who post these comments will be blocked from this channel. If you have something insulting to say or use offensive language, don't even bother writing a comment.

Very soon judo will be ilegal in judo competitions..

I really liked this video, and I think steve scott is a real judo expert. The point is of any training system to protect the participants and have them constantly improve while minimizing injury. If you learn to play safe and self-restrained, you can always turn on the dirtyness later, but if you learn to play dirty, you will never learn the principle of self control. There are other illegal techniques in judo, and knowledge is power, but playing safe and effective is the essence of physical education.

What a beautiful instructor; no ego on him, friendly, gentle....Finding a quality instructor can be hard. Bless him. Great video as well respect for uploading.

I really appreciate the time you take to explain the body mechanics and details. Thank you.

Always love your videos. Simple and easy to follow.

"Ok we are going to show this forbidden techinique is called a double leg takedown"

Many thanks for posting this. Very interesting and well-explained and filmed.

muchas gracias por compartir, saludos desde puerto rico

Hello Steve this is Gene Boynton I remember working out with you in the early 70 s enjoy your videos retired now living in Thailand keep up the good work!

Good stuff! Thanks for posting!

Those takedowns were pretty cool. I liked watching the leg locks, too.

Such fantastic experience that you're sharing here.

I'm blessed to train in a bujutsu self defense dojo. We use all of the judo, bjj and Japanese jujitsu techniques. I use ashi garami all the time to set up my leg locks. Never hurt a soul practicing leg locks. IBJJF tournament rules you get DQ for leg reaping though. So I can't use the honey hole or Russian leg knot. Which is a bummer but I just use the standard anklelock. Which is allowed as long as i don't lace the opposite leg or contort their knee. Only carelessness will equate to injury. Have fun rolling! 🤼‍♂️🥋

So many beautiful techniques hope they are preserved and passed on to the younger generations m.

6:00 This technique was used by Marco Ruas in one of his first fights in the UFC tournament. He finished the fight with a heel hook to devastating effect. I used it a few times in sparring until they banned leg locks in my BJJ school as we couldn't use the techniques in tournaments.

Professor you guys are awesome!! Admire your teaching style!! Wish you guys were in LA!!

Hi Steve AWESOME video as always with the leg entangling to park opponent's before the lift or throw does it need to be disentangled right before lift or throw so as not to damage opponents knees??? PS I love you channel you show awesome techniques I use lots of techniques that you and your students show I like the techniques the guy who looks like Johnny Knoxville lol no disrespect the guy is very talented you can tell he's done sambo or wrestling also...stay blessed Steve if I ever come to USA I will defo come to your class its awesome bro

Do jime is not really explained too much, so I'll try to add my 2 cents, to the degree I remember. Many years back in Bujinkan, I was taught this technique in a basic form which consist of grabbing a standing enemy's lapels, then jumping at him so as to grab his abdomen with both legs, performing the core do jime. THE CORE OF THE DO JIME TECHNIQUE CONSISTS OF STRAIGHTENING THE LEGS -- think squatting real hard, just with your ankles hooked against each other behind his torso, picture scissor-cutting him in half. Not hip adduction, but a squat. At the same time you should be trying to get in one of the basic front chokes on his neck. Now, the memory gets foggy for me, but we were also taught to let go with arms and abs, but with legs still hooked, bending down back with our upper body and take him down by attacking his legs, or then release legs and roll back to disengage. There are several ways this technique can hurt the enemy: 1. he may collapse when you jump at him, possibly smashing his pelvis (you sit above and drop onto it with yours), 2. you may keep all his wind out with your legs, 3. you may crush a few of his ribs with your thighs, 4. you may get a strangle on his neck, 5. get a takedown; if none of that worked, it may be better to take initiative and not get smashed into the ground by him, so get ready to lower, release and roll back, may work better with a kick to chin.

nice, i 've seen sum bad versions of this throw, good to see the best version of it!!!!

Amazing instructor, of Judo technique's!!!

Good ethics, practice, form and applications I'm impressed don't see much of that in the schools anymore.

Thanks for the videos 👍🏿

Thanks again for the great video! 8:42 is there a way to escape/counter kani basami?

Excellent tutorial

dart vader is filming

Great lesson sensei

Ty

Now I wanna watch judo vs wrestling. Thanks.

Excellent , experience teaching.

Nothing is forbidden on the street . Good video and respect sent .

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AWESOME bro....

GOOD VID - Well explained and informative thanks but can we look at / reconsider ..... Kani basami (scissor throw) ... this was one of my favorite throws when competing as a kid years ago - before it was banned it was made illegal to put the leg behind the knees - my understanding was that by putting the leg behind the knees they fall forward onto their knees then the other leg at the front of the waist causes the rest of the upper body to fall back with ur leg then stuck behind their knees causing dislocation in both knees , i may be wrong here and going a little senile :) but im sure the safe version is with the baçk leg going lower behind the calves or ankles, scored plenty of clean 'wazaris' without hurting anyone :) - if ur gonne do this in practice do it slow at first both legs jump in at the same time but then stop there and look carefully at the mechanics of the two versions described .. be safe guys an gals

When I was a young Judoka i use to read sensei Scotts turtle press books and study every page. He was years ahead of the game in the United states.

Hi there, thanks for all your amazing content. Can you tell me the name of the throw at 3:45, it looks amazing? Regards from Germany

11:50 Saw al aiquinta use this against Kevin lee when Kevin went for a single leg.

everything in judo is becoming illegal!

To serve as my personal references on prohibited technique in judo, as myself been stricken under the rules of Standard Judo, I serve this video clips as my personal awareness that to know this prohibited techniques to keep vigilant from the athletes who dares in prohibited applications, I personally thank you for the authors whom sharing this for my beloved vocation!!!👍😊 but one more time that I've asking a question regarding for the prohibited Ashi Garame I saw the danger of that technique but it is allowed to take down your opponent with using the Ashi Guruma mechanic without using the submission systems? This question I am curious to apply without submission involved but only a take down basis?

the ground hurts when you land - a lesson I learned from my few judo lessons

Quite a few years ago now, as you know sir, grabbing of the pant leg or anything south of the obi was banned in Judo competition. Not for safety, as your hooking demos here were, but because the BJJ players were winning intl. Judo matches with only one throw, (or take-down): morote gari. The thing that bugs me now is that Judoka around the world are modifying classic throws like kata garuma by changing where they grip and how they use kuzushi. I've seen some examples on youtube and instagram that are alarming. Uke's arms get tied up, or in some cases, they get thrown onto their head or neck in an all-or-nothing, uncontrolled manner. I would prefer they went back to allowing leg grabs, but ban techniques in which kime is not possible, as in some of the new side and dropping sacrifice variants of kata garuma I've seen. What are your thoughts on this? Thx. - John

If it is part of Judo,it's not illegal. Great respect to this incredible martial art ❗

Ashi garami is banned in Judo competition and randori, but is still included in one of the traditional routines (katas), and is illustrated in various old judo texts. The version shown there is different and maybe more dangerous than the version in the video. In the old texts the player performing the technique (Tori) keeps hold of one or both of Uke's sleeves, wraps one leg round Uke's leg, and pushes the other leg backwards, while pulling Uke's sleeve(s) *forwards* so that he cannot relieve the strain on his knee by falling backwards. It looks like a difficult technique to perform, but very painful and dangerous if it works. See this demonstration: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3YXH_LrcqNc.html

I wish I took judo before everything... still haven't taken judo btw

Learned Kodokan judo in mid eighties from guys who learned in the 50s 60s it was 50/50 standing and ground, kami basami, flying armbars were all still legal, used them all the time. The modern contest rules stuff doesent interest me at all.

I like the bit , when he says....Derek was parking Eric.....

is this the stuff that Kano left out of his second edition? I read somewhere that he removed the last two chapters that were included in the first edition of his first book on Judo.

crab scissors is also found in pencak silat

4:20 isn't legal if u grab the leg... Or the ijf changed again?and 6:45 remind me de la riva guard...

How would you escape the Kawazu Gake once it is applied but before falling? If you just fall with them, does it lower the risk of knee injury?

wrecked my ankle against a kani basami back in 2005 or so. it's actually a pretty soft fall but the risk is quite real.

Time to pull out the popcorn, hot dog and Big Gulp, the movie is playing.

Great video! I'm of the opinion that tani otoshi should be illegal unless your hips are behind your opponents. Sliding in from the front and attempting it, especially from distance, can be a legbreaker

Thank you so much for this! One of my students asked me why I don't teach the leg scissors throw and I've been looking for a safe way to teach it. This was perfect! Easy to follow and understand. I'm always looking for safe ways to train my students and I appreciate your attention to safe applications of dangerous techniques. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge! Ooss!

I’m a bit confused by the ashi garami demo. I saw an old video that supposedly demonstrated it and it looked like tori was spreading uke’s legs apart putting pressure on the knee. The ashi garami here reminds me of an open guard in BJJ that leads to leg attacks.

Footblock should be onhis side (bjj) not sure if that is applicable here

Dojime is incredibly hard anyways oh my lord.

Pray an act of perfect contrition everyday

Wow!!!!

I did a lot of Kani Basami in karate, but never hurt anyone. Maybe because karate has a more side-on stance?

The dangers of the scissors takedown reminds me of the tai otoshi. When done poorly and at the wrong angle, it can tear the knee too. Seen it happen before in my old club, and almost had it happen to me a couple of times. It was fortunate I stopped resisting and decided to fall just in time.

I hold a black belt in Judo and I have experienced kawazu gakki and did not know whether it was legal or illegal I know that move put me out the club for at least one to two weeks as I was going for tire Torres on my way down my opponent rewrapped his leg around me using kawazu gakki

you can also do this when someone grabs your leg when you go in for a roundhouse to his thigh.

you absolutely don't have to post with the arm/hand for leg scissors...it's more fun that way.

I wonder if do jime could cause blockage of breathing or even cause a rib to crack or fracture, is that why this judo technique is "kinjite"? ("Kinjite" - is like "kinshi".)

They do ashi garami in bjj like adcc,please explain the dangers of ashi garami,because they do it very often in no gi bjj .( asking because the guy in the video didnt explain the dangers of ashi garami)

I practice Kung Fu, Hung Gar style and the Kani Bazami is legal in my school. Sometimes we throw a circular kick to the chest, take his arm and complete the Kani Bazami.

In Brazil " Do Jime " is called " Chave de Rim " which means " Kidney Lock " ;)

Juji gatame (armbar) is still allowed, not too much chance of being "kinshi" in judo even though if that person doesn't tap out if arm-bared, one's elbow could be totally crushed.

6:30 - x guard !

well... i started judo last year and i enjoy ground fight a lot. i taped out guys a few time with a chest compression using my knees by crossing my legs. today learned it was called do jime and was illegal. not totally sure though, in the video, they are pressing the ribs from the side, when i do it, i make sure to face on side of the guy so that one of my knee is on his chest and the other is on his back. it's roughly the same as when a big guy put all his weight on your chest to make you tap before the countdown for immobilization.

single leg x is illegal in judo?

Kawzu gake and dojime demonstrated in this video aren’t actually illegal in judo. The takedown portion of the ashi garame is legal until pressure is applied to the knee on the ground. A lot competitors and teachers avoid getting even close to these but judo isn’t as limited as people seem desperate to believe.

Best uses for the bad ways of these techniques is for when real life self defense ha

2:17 I don't understand how that can risk knee... who's knee? When which one tries ouchi gari..?

Great video. However the form of Kani basami that was demonstrated was incorrect. True Kani basami is a full commitment sacrifice throw that requires no hand be placed on the mat. Some call it a flying throw.

These techniques (and many other "forbidden" ones) are taken in the Kodokan judo exam. Open the program and read. We worked it all out. For exam, not for competition. Best regards St. Petersburg Judo Team (Russia)

Do jime is easy to beat, just push your butt back to change the angle, and therefore the amount of contact area, that the force is being applied to, making it weaker.

I believe that just wrapping your leg like that is illeagal in judo today. Am I wrong on this?

No more leg grabs!

I was reading some of the comments I don't think that a lot of students realize that a lot of these applications were meant to and can break bone dislocate joints and cause permanent soft tissue damage.research the founding history of some of these moves

Honestly most of the submisions are a every day thing in my bjj gym. I have to mention im a white belt one stripe with only 4 months of training. And no ,we do not break eachother's leg every day.

Was taught kani basami correctly and used it effectively in competition until they banned it in competition for safety reasons. Bad use of any technique can make a throw dangerous ;so have we sanitised judo too much for the sake of safety when better instruction may reduced dangerously applied throws?

All these were allowed when I started judo. But how about one that wasn't allowed even all that long time ago - the hanging strangle?

Knee injuries suck I been out for 2 months

Why is the second technique banned?

6:17 in the perfect position for THE LOW BLOW Altho it's not used in these martial arts

3:58 This is not Kawazu Gake,looks like Obitori Gaeshi,a Te Waza throw.

Why is dojime illegal I've even noticed in kosen judo they do not use it I don't know I practiced BJJ for like 6 months dojime or the closed guard doesn't hurt shoot it's a form of taking a little break if your tired 😂😂🤣🤣 I guess if someone does put alot of pressure it can hurt a bit but it's grappling the same thing can be said if your on the bottom and the top guy or girl especially if she's a bit heavy if she or he puts alot of pressure from the top you can be in alot of pain so naaa dojime shouldn't be illegal

Isn’t that second one just a single leg X?

Hell yes murica 661

Good video, but tell Mr. Heavy Breather he's not allowed to work the camera anymore!

leg locks are the most dangerous then

今の柔道は規制が多すぎる。

Ye isn't ashi garami a common high level bjj technique

min 2:00

Long story short, I was that guy who took his knee out. You do NOT touch another man's Snicker's bar. End of story.

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9:50 in capoeira we call that a tesoura ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DMT0NrFayYc.html

Good video! But with nostalgia I am realizing that judo Is losing ITS vigour, manhood AND braveness. I am afraid we Will end up having a kind of "ballet Judo" instead of a real Martial art. I did practice It during 4 years in the seventies, AND we had More injuries because of one o soto gari or juji jime than because of a Kata guruma or kani basami. My point Is, Martial arts ARE dangerous if not done correctly , not mattering the técnic but the practitioner AND His sensei. If Someone thinks they are too hazardous, have them practice gardenry, knitting or ballet but not judo. Thanks for posting.