I like how when it's LeBron vs Steph DEFENSE matters all of a sudden but when it's LeBron vs Jordan Kobe or Tim Duncan DEFENSE don't matter so much in the debate 🤔
Bruh when I heard that I’m like na this dude is definitely delusional step only got 1 chips credit cuz of the finals mvp lol 😂 but you know they have to do everything in they power too defend bron shit sad
Steph Curry has the same number of rings as LeBron, came into the league after him, and won three of those rings against him…that doesn’t fit into their desired narrative so they HAVE to discredit him
2 of the 3 times Lebron lost to Steph Lebron was playing by himself and 2 of the 3 times Steph had KD with him, talk about playing at a huge disadvantage. Rings don’t make Steph equal to or better than LeBron.
SOME people don’t understand the plan for the 2015 Cavs. They were meant to be a super team and dominate the league for years to come but the Warriors just did it better.
The revisionist history on the cavs is insane. Love at the time was the best power forward in the game and a top five player. He was a statistical monster who was on a garbage team so he hadn’t had a deep post season run. Kyrie was young, raw and hadn’t had much success, but he obviously had a ton of talent and was an integral piece. Plenty good enough to be the third best player on a championship team as was planned. People saying the cavs weren’t a super team are bogus.
FACTS!! LeBron taught us "super team in your prime" is okay... So when GSW went 73-9 but got no ring... they could point at LeBron to validate getting KD. And GSW was ALWAYS "strength in numbers"
@@jaydot4956He averaged 26 & 12 before he joined the Cavs, he had to sacrifice his game as a third option. Same as bosh. Definitely was a super team, y’all are delusional
LeBron camp hate Steph because Steph's brand surpassed his in a very short amount of time, family brand and Basketball Ascendance. It's not that Steph is better than LeBron, it's the fact that he did more in Less amount of time.
Never tink off it dat way same rings less time love me some lebron but he an his camp are obses wit this goat narrative if u r d goat u don t have to have ppl pusing dat 4 u .
They're getting desperate because LeBron is close to retirement. The moment he surpasses Kobe's overall attempts, his "longevity stats for points" will be called in question. Once the Longevity excuse is expired, They will have nothing left. So they're trying to diminish other people's legacies. Steph, Kobe, Mike...
I’ve already seen LBJ groupies tell me we shouldn’t hold him leading in turnovers, then later in attempts etc bc of longevity, yet they use his total points etc as a talking point lol
@@gambitacio dude doesn’t care as long as he gets his stats and the attention that comes with it. I’ve lost count how many times he lost whenever he breaks a certain record or accomplishment lol
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx that’s why he’s not GOAT but just a got. And he got all the attention but the wrong type. He ain’t love nor respected like that. That’s why he has all this cringy narrative. Classic fatherless behavior.
aforrealforreal8723 - try to use the individual stats next time for reference and stop taking everything out of context. The NBA tracks STATS for a reason. Lebron James has 4 FINALS MVP's. Lebron only has 4 Regular Season MVP's because teams have to win at least 58 games for their players to be eligible for Regular Season MVP, for Scoring Champ, and most other seasonal awards.
Everything out of Rich Paul or Maverick Carters mouth is how LeBron feels. Don't ever think it's separate. And Draymond not sticking up for Steph shouldn't surprise anyone. Since he signed with Klutch his whole persona and existence can be summed up by two words he posted in a tweet. "My King."
Thank you for pointing out Draymonds play and body language during the Lakers series. Bro looked like he lacked the intensity he usually has. Bro looked like he was throwing that series for Lebron.
It's so hard to be in the bubble where there's millionaires. And probably girls you can sneak in. And you don't have to answer to anyone oh, my God, it's so horrible.😢
Steph has 4 championships. Thats the concern klutch sports has. That’s why Lebron can’t retire. If Steph another championship the Goat discuss gets diluted.
what baffles me the most is the fact that people bash steph curry for KD coming to the warriors and winning 2 rings together but they don't keep the same energy for lebron who left the cavs for miami to form his own super team with D wade and Bosh,the same way steph needed KD is the same way Lebron needed D wade and Bosh. Lets not have double standards when talking about the 2 of them. Sure lebron wok finals MVP both times butbthats because D wade took a step back and let lebron have the reins of the team, same way steph took a step back and let KD have the reins of GSW which in turn workwd out well for all of them.
It's funny because when Bron went to Miami, people were laughing. Then all of a sudden, people started saying it was okay. Really weird. The goal posts conveniently change for Lebron while staying high for other players, past or present.
Honestly, it's Steph era... That's why they erroneously compare him to Magic.. like they tried to do LeBron. Neither are like Magic. They are their own thing. Man, i hope they enjoy their career because comparison is the thief of joy. I promise, nobody was focusing their career on being better than another player but the best they can do. There's a difference & you can tell
And this is exactly why Lebron James will never, ever be considered the greatest of all time. Decide that he has to have almost the entirety of the NBA and sports media lift him up and sing his Praises every damn day shows he can't rely on his merits alone. Even to this point in his career he's still need everybody to validate him. Because he can't do it himself. Steph Curry never had to win a championship with another team. He will end his career as a Golden State Warrior and that means more than anything LeBron has done his entire career. Cuz it shows that he didn't ring Chase and it shows that he knew he was good enough to stay where he was and to win. LeBron doesn't have that he never did.
Ok, let's just say that the 2020 Mickey Mouse ring is legitimate, Lebron still wasn't the best player in that playoff run either, and his team was loaded. Prime example, Game 1 first quarter Lebron shoots 1-1 FG with 1 turnover but gave up 15p to the guys he was guarding on 80% FG and 75% FG. As soon as they sit him down with 5:30 left in the 1st, the Lakers go on a 18-8 run and end the quarter up 31-28! The Lakers literally put Lebron in the game with :40 seconds left for some strange reason after the Lakers had the lead.
Agreed. AD should’ve been the Finals MVP for that series. I watched that whole series hoping the Heats could kick their ass. It was AD that I as a spectator for The Heats feared when he had the ball.
@@SowerOfMustardSeed lbj average 29.8pts 11.8 rebs 8.5 assits shot over 55% and over 40 from the 3pt line to ad verge 25pts 10.7rebs. 3.2 asts. You watch the game but did you see the Stat sheet as well
@@jamanwashington6426 you obviously didn’t watch the series. Coz these stats wouldn’t tell you how great AD’s defence was that series and in particular in games and time in the games that matter. You Stats reader.
I’ve been saying this. Steph is underrated. His numbers for his size are phenomenal. Imagine if Steph was at least 6 foot 6! Come on man he got robbed of those finals MVP’s. He’s been the best for a while now but the media narrative has been that he’s not! Foh!
2015 and 2018 was some of the worst shit I have seen on fmvp voting... never seen titles won off narratives like those 2 fmvps... 1 player getting doubled (Curry)77 times vs 7(KD) and their stats are close and you give fmvp to the guy who only got doubled 7 times was sickening... Than we have the Iggy one smh... at least the Kawhi one had some points to it
The way they tear down Curry reminds me of the same way they do it to Kobe 😴 These people shouldn’t even be watching the game tbh. The way they tear down players and legends doesn’t do anything good for the game.
Honestly hate that so much about the nba and the fanbase. is their another sport fanbase that disses its past legends, eras and pioneers of the game as much as modern nba fans?
@@jarlbalgruuf7701Facts Football Players and Fans Do The Same For one Player Called Messi They Disrespect Pele and Diego Armando Maradona, Ronaldinho Gaucho and Zidane Zidaine Because of their "love" for messi Pele Has the MOST Goals Scored Of Any Player of ALL TIME And 3 WORLD CUPS to His Name
3 World Cups PLUS OVER Pessi's 1 Team World Cup He Not Even the BEST Argentine Player of All Time Diego Armando Maradona is and is Always Been And He Has 2 World Cups Over Pessi Pessi is Just like Lebum Lebum James
LeBron and his teams obsession and jealousy over Steph Curry is still on full display no matter how hard LJ tries he's not relatable or loved like Steph Curry
I always say and continue to say this. We need to stop comparing LBJ to Jordan when he might not even be the best player of the 2000s. Legitimate arguments can be made for Kobe/Steph/Duncan.
I have never seen a show produce so many horrendous takes in my life, I kind of wonder if they are doing it just so they get clipped and spread around by all the other shows at this point.
I have never saw a players crew and fans be more disrespectful than LeBrons...We never trashed Dr J or Kareem coming up...The younger Generation is terrible and pointless
Anytime I mention klutch sports disrespecting past legends and current ones and his teammates, LBJ fans always tell me this is what happened back then, that MJ did the same thing. I ask when did MJ have an agency doing exactly this and they either go ghost or switch the subject lol.
Steph Curry is the greatest shooter in NBA history, while LeBron can’t shoot outside 3 feet and NOBODY is calling LeBron the greatest at ANYTHING in NBA history (well maybe the greatest flopper). Curry beat LeBron 3 out of 4 times in finals and took way less time to get his 4 rings than LBJ took to get his 4. Steph has an offensive bag, while LeBron’s bag consists of offensive fouling/traveling his way to the basket, bricking 3 point attempts, missing free throws at crunch time, and flopping. Steph’s highlight reel looks WAY BETTER than LeBron’s. So of course the Klutch folks hate Curry, because he destroys their GOAT proclamations. How can LeBron be the GOAT, when he is not even the greatest of his era? Curry is a constant reminder to them of this inconvenient truth.
@@joshbonds0073It’s also because unlike LeBum, Steph actually stayed with the Warriors when it was a trash franchise (2009), made it respectable and relevant (2012-2019), and kept on staying after KD left and Klay got injured and missing the playoffs in 2020, 2021 and was patient enough to win another ring with a mostly inexperienced squad in 2022.
Funny how they have double standards for Steph and Lebron. Lost the 2015 and 2019 Finals. Key players were injured (Love and Kyrie, KD and Klay) Both lost in 6. Then everyone is like: Lebron has no help. Steph can't carry the team.
Great video! I've maintained for quite some time now that Steph is the most INFLUENTIAL player of his generation. The last championship that Steph won REALLY affected Bron', his Le-ClanFans and Klutch. Because the only thing Bron has over Steph is years, some stats and MVP's. But in the categories that count to MANY people Steph wins over Bron. Steph been to the Finals 6 times and won 4...3 AGAINST LEBRON...THATS GOTTA HURT. And for all the work Klutch and Bron' does to get his loved by the masses...Steph is STILL more beloved by the masses without even trying hard...just by being STEPH...THATS GOTTA HURT BRON. There just some things Steph is that Bron' will NEVER be and thats why his team goes so hard to force him down people's throats and tear down others to big him up. Simply put...STEPH IS ORGANICALLY MADE...LEBRON IS MEDIA MADE! Carry On
Nick Wright's agent jas ties with Klutch Sports. That's why he pushes LeBron James down people's throat. Klutch hates Steph because he is more beloved and is responsible for a LeBron James sweep and blows a hole in LB's legacy.
I’m really tired of this Lebron bs. Steph didn’t need KD. You go 7 games down to the wire…. You don’t need anyone. It’s crazy people still say this bullshit. How? They won 73 games, played kd to 7 games, lost their center in game 4, lost dreymond in game 5. And it still came down to a shot…. Where in that does it say they needed a kd level player. It could’ve been a defensive player that got a stop that won that series……this dumb shit gotta stop
It would have still been criticized. The 1999 "lockout ring" for the Spurs was criticized forever. It's just so long ago now that people have forgotten that it was a shortened season. Any changes to the season will have a championship being looked down on. Again, this is not a uniquely LeBron narrative.
Yea Tim Duncan got criticized for that also them failing to stop the lakers from 3 peating after was held against San Antonio for a long while as they lost 2 consecutive year to LAL and the win in 2004 was the answer for it..
Exactly, I remember back then nobody was taking that title serious bc of the lockout. Some were saying “well bc MJ wasn’t there” but whatever, it wasn’t taken serious. Folks don’t know that bc it’s obviously been over two decades, and Spurs went on to win 4 more titles so they think people automatically gave them respect. I’ve been saying this for years but had LAC won that title, no way LAL/LBJ fans would be praising the hell out of that.
@@tdup191didn’t know scoring was the only aspect of the sport makes me wonder how iggy won a fmvp when he got outscored oh yeah that doesn’t fit your argument. Steph was also better in 2017/18 he was the reason for 3/4 wins
Other than them being so dominant and ppl wanting to see them lose, I’ll never understand the hate for The Warriors of this era. They play team basketball, keep the ball moving, set screens for shooters, and just try to take smart shots. Outside of that Steph is the basically the only shot creator they have. They also make the most of everyone on the roster. On another team you would have never seen Looney, Harrison Barnes, Iggy, & Shaun Livingston getting that many touches coming off the bench and being allowed to freely take shots as long as they’re open. In other words, they win by playing smart basketball and with the leadership of steph being such a good shooter. Klay is of course a big part of the equation but I personally feel like Draymond’s contribution is highly overrated. He’s too much of a liability and undersized at his position. Now he’s good for like 5 & 5 and he may get fouled out or ejected in the process of putting that triple single up.
I've always said that. He's the most hypergamous, male athlete on the planet. He's all happy, giddy, and dancing whenever, the grass is greener on his side of the fence. But, whenever, that grass appears to be dry and dying, instead of making it healthy again, he just hops the fence or even leaves to a whole, new neighborhood where the grass looks greener. He's that wife that always reminds her husband to keep that good lifestyle going or, she's going to divorce him for his best friend or rival. He had to have learned that from his momma. Steph didn't have his family constantly, packing up and moving all across the U.S. for a ring. He made that city/state a proud community through his work ethic and dedication. Steph did that with the help of his team and organization; no media driven, narratives. Loyalty, responsibility, and dedication as a man, are low on LBJ'S quest for rings. When I was in the military, my superior officers would use LBJ as an example of a guy you wouldn't want as your leader and fellow, soldier. Everything about him screams "hypergamy" and "victim hood". He always has an excuse for failure and will watch or even turn the media against his teammates. All success is because of him while, he's on a winning team but, will scream "I need help!" and have the media sing that with him when he's down. It's pretty sad to watch and even worse when his most loyal of fans, are ok with these weak character traits.
@@StylesD83I love Steph too but don’t act like lebron didn’t destroy a 73-9 team, don’t act like bron didn’t block the fuck out Steph and stare him down say what y’all want but lebron owned Steph almost every time they play
@@jacklopez5226 Ok! And where was all that 3/4 times they played The Warriors? That's a 25% win record in the finals, sir. So, I guess that 1 finals victory, is the end all, be all? Ok and cool! Celebrate that 1 W out of the 4 meetings; Pat on the back for LBJ. 👏 🤸👍 What team did he abandon once, he came back to Cleveland? Why didn't he stay with that team instead? If, it weren't for Kyrie, The Cavaliers may have lost that game too. It wasn't just LBJ doing the work. Kyrie was cooking Steph all day putting up 25+ No one had an answer for Kyrie. Kyrie was the non-stop, killer all over the court. So please, don't revise history and make it a lone, LBJ job. Without Kyrie, LBJ would be with 1 less ring. I guess you guys forget Kyrie, the guy LBJ pushed out of Cleveland, was actually, on that team. Me speaking on Steph wasn't about my love for him. I respect the fact he didn't jump ship for quick rings. He remained loyal to the city and fans that supported him and that organization. Don't change the subject. I don't have to like or love a player in order to respect their character. My whole argument was about LBJ being hypergamous; quick to abandon his teammates and organization for greener, pastures. Before The Warriors got their last ring, they were in a rut. People were saying The Warriors were finished; never going back to the finals; never getting another ring. Did Steph go the LBJ route and join another team? Did he throw Klay or any other teammate under the bus for their lack of success? Hell no! He stayed like a man and took those Ls as a team during, the rebuilding stage. That's much harder than jumping ship. You changed the subject to one finals victory as if that kills my argument on LBJ being hypergamous. What team did he abandon Cleveland for after, that rivalry concluded????? What does LBJ's only finals victory over the Warriors have to do with my argument, sir? Why LBJ super fans like to change the argument? It's like you all are ok with weak, behavior. Once, he ran to the team he's on now, he tried to stack the deck again. Then, he once told his critics to "keep that same NARRATIVE energy when it begins" Let's go back to the team he went to after abandoning Cleveland the 1st time. I'm sure you know what team I'm talking about; the team he said they were going to win 8 championships with...how well did that age? 😳😶🌫️ and did he stick with that team once, the key pieces were in question? LBJ loves to talk sh!t whenever, he has or thinks he has an advantage. Then, cries about needing more help when sh!t gets difficult. He doesn't keep the same energy when the Ls are at his doorstep. In the military, this is dishonorable and cowardly, behavior and it still, shocks me that there are people who believe otherwise.
@@StylesD83 fine since u wanna go there wasn’t Steph crying after his 3-1 loss ? Tryna recruit kd? Are u also going to ignore without kd Steph has 2 chips at best or worst case scenario he never gets another title.Did he not get outclassed in the finals by kd mutiple times? Oh shit maybe the raptor finals when he shot a 3 with 9 seconds left, or maybe when he choked in a game 7 against lebron.and no one changed the argument LEBRON WENT BACK TO CLEVELAND so your argument is bullshit if he abandoned them he woulda never came back,he’s the only reason Cleveland’s has a chip stfu u casual,u can respect Steph all day but keep it facts he choked multiple times
That Denver Nuggets homecourt really IS an advantage and would have given LA real issues in 2020. Underdog teams thrive on their fans @ home.. Many times teams unexpectedly pull off series shifting victories at home. Younger teams, inexperienced trams NEED that energy. That atmosphere. That crowd.
I’m really not surprised lebron and his camp are desperate they will stoop to any low to take shots at players that are better than lebron like curry and Mj there narratives are false and misleading
Rich Paul is a joke his nerratives are a joke he is just salty because the warriors beat lebron in the finals 3 time’s trying to falsely bring up these false narratives will not change the fact curry beat lebron in the finals 3 times
The 3 month break was as big a difference as the bubble. Giannis was on fire in his MVP/DPOY Jordan-Hakeem season-level run, old LeBron needed a break, rusty Giannis gets hurt, Heat beat Bucks. I think Giannis beats LeBron if the season didn't stop. The gameplay was also affected by no sideline seats so players were trying to save the ball more, including some highlight Jimmy Butler steals.
I remember when they were thinking about canceling the season, a shit ton of Lakers/LBJ fans were getting mad on social media bc they were gonna lose HCA. Now bc LA won and they want to hype up that title, fans in arenas isn’t a huge factor lol.
Steph getting that Kobe treatment but people forget that finals matchup in 2017 it was even if you check the numbers just that kd just hit some clutch shots and the cavs stopped playing defense
Rich Paul doing advance damage control. And by the way LeBron era is 2012 and 2013 only. 4-20 is a joke to have a decade or era just like how they claimed it to be.
More evidence of Lebron stat padding in the lopsided 2020 Finals: Game 2 of the 2020 Finals, in the 2nd quarter the Lakers were trying to protect a 4 point lead with Lebron in the game, then as soon as they sit Lebron at 6:00 left, the Lakers stretch their lead to 13 points and then they put Lebron back in the game at 3:28. Lebron then went on the play 10 minutes in the 4th quarter up by 26 points even tho Butler, Crowder, and Robinson all played less than 3 minutes in the 4th!
Saying it’s harder to stay in one place and play games than traveling across the country multiple times a week is just so ridiculous too me. They literally had nothing to worry about but playing the game…
I noticed Draymond in that series vs the Lakers, it was super sus. That interview footage cinched it tho. Definitely was a mole. Highly speculative, but I wonder what a financial audit of everyone tied to Clutch would discover?
The reason the bubble ring is questionable is bc half the teams opted out of continuing the season due to, idk, a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. Several players were out due to COVID protocols. The season should’ve just ended and they should’ve started the next season. Anybody who would’ve won that year would’ve been under the same scrutiny.
I don’t understand this “bubble championship” slander. Everybody had those six months off and the shortened season. So STFU that championship absolutely counts.
They call lebrons ring a bubble ring yes. They completely forgot about Currys ring just a year and 4 months ago. No media is picking up on the warriors. If Lebron made a pre season game winner itd be all over espn. Lebron is the MOST pampered superstar ever!
How dare them even try to step into MJ's realm when LBJ hasn't even dominated his own peers? 1-2 to the Spurs and 1-3 to the Warriors. Lebron's fans call him the GOAT based off of longevity and how many times he's been to the finals in which he is 4-6. OAN A ring is a ring but that Miami Heat team in the bubble was literally the worst team I've ever seen in the finals
Pick on someone your own size, Why don't you try putting prime LeBron guarding Prime Bird, Prime Magic, or Prime Kareem? How about prime Chamberlain? Even someone shorter like Prime Jordan or prime Kobe? Which rules? I'll grant Lebron Old-school basketball where he could actually use real defense on those guys. I bet you he would have had his hands real full,and....He wouldn't be on the GOAT debate issue talking so much non-sense.
i wonder how things would be in 2015 if everyone stayed and played well. bron and kyrie cavs vs russ kd okc vs steph klay GSW vs harden dwight rockets vs giannis khris bucks vs wayde bosch heat vs lob city clippers vs demar lowry raptors vs jimmy d rose bulls
Bubble title was one of the most prestigious titles in history. Kobe had died and if Lebron failed to win he would be killed in the city of LA for not getting it done. Not to mention every game was a road game in a hotel and the other team could hear every play you ran.
IF kobe or jordan won that bubble chip..... they literally woulda said this was bullshit and is not a true championship.... fast forward to participation era and u get "this was the hardest championship ever won." - YUPPPP no travel, 5 star resort and amenities closed down for ur private access including restaurants and sport facilities, no hostile home fans or home court advantage do deal with .... realllll tough
Steph is 6'3 190 playing nba basketball. LeBron is 6'8 250. Any accolade Steph gets should be saluted because at his size he should not be as good as he is obviously based on history. Now let's take LeBron at his size and skill he shouldn't lose ever lol.
You clearly see how much of a clown Draymond is. He was on that show when Maverick said that about Steph and he didn't push back on it. The same guy that made Draymond and helped him win 4 rings. I remember when Maverick said it a few years ago. Steph is too nice. If I were Steph, I would have been petty as fuck and asked Maverick to show me what he's got once he made it to the league.
