Know Your (Corner) Rights! (Sim Racing Tips) 

Ian Kitterman they have some sim school thing but it should be required

GT Sport does this, and people still drive like they own they track when trying pass.

I agree, watch this whole article BEFORE getting an a track

Kyle Busch should watch this video

every racing game should link to this video before you go online. mainly racing in the wild wild forza west where the rulebook was burned long ago.

Ethan Dean I wish I could enjoy his stream but that singing, I just can't do it.

you hit the nail on there. its disgusting. i dont understand why they taste their time

I think a lot of people enjoy racing enough to buy wheels and seats and the like. But, a lot of people have been "ruined" by games like Forza or Gran Turismo in that the ONLY objective is to win. No matter what. It doesn't actually teach you proper racing etiquette. Hopefully once people understand that this is SIM racing and not ARCADE racing, they're reasonable enough to change their tactics and learn the proper ways.

Those particular people know what they`re doing. They`re copying famous drivers that divebombed regularily. They depend on you not wanting to crash on a divebomber and very often people do not close the inside even though they know the car behind is not entitled to the line. Sometimes you just want to let the asshole by and watch him wreck someone else, in effect gaining two free positions.

Fair enough. I suppose if you see someone doing this outside of the rookies then they should know enough to not do this BS. At the end of the day it's just a game, and most of us just want to have fun or do something that we couldn't do in real life, but that shouldn't mean doing it at someone else's expense.

Nah, nothing happened, just two dudes pissed at each other yelling past one another on the mic.

No, they wouldn't use the Grand layouts either, as they'd be an absolute bitch for multi class. VIR doesn't get much use as it isn't very popular (and it's now out of date for a while since they widened some points and repaved)

Depends on the track, depends on the car, depends on the situation with tires in particular.

Probably ran out of the hybrid boost juice early in the lap, so came out of the previous corner with 450 HP.... rather than 1000 HP.

Sad but true, but the only thing that can be done is hope they come across this or other videos in this vein and hope something clicks in their head.

I've always heard rear wheel minimum. That doesn't mean people aren't going to use less, but that's always been the rule of thumb I've heard in road racing. If a series wants to set it otherwise of course they certainly can.

Can't say for sure without seeing it obviously, but if you are racing at Martinsville the assumed rule is ALWAYS "move your feet lose your seat" and there is no "spot back".

You don't win a race on the first corner, but you can lose a race in the first corner. That's legitimately a proverb of racing.

gozinta82 Yes I agree, but quite often you do win at Monaco on the first corner of the first lap, I'm speaking specifically about the Monaco GP in modern F1 cars starting from a standing start and your in second or third maybe. A very specific situation of car track combo. Honestly from a standing start at Monaco your more likely to get a risky but good passing opportunity than any other time in the race, unless resorting to dive bombing. I agreed with everything Matt said, was just pointing out that their are a few scenarios where a first lap risky pass might be advantageous and worth the risk, and yes in a modern f1 car from a standing start if your at the top of the grid and have a chance to make a move on the leader at turn one in monaco it is a good idea because passing is almost impossible at that track in a f1 car from the last 20 years.

gozinta82 Also, I did not say to dive bomb, are anything crazy like that, I've been playing racing games for over thirty years and have never been called a dirty racer, I respect lines, drive clean, and don't take useless risk. I'm not a hotlapper, I use race pace, respect my car's tires, car's condition and everyone else's on the track. My point was to never say never, and if you're on pole in a F1 race at Monaco you best be prepared for someone to take stab at the apex in turn one if you leave even an inch of room because any legitiment passing chance their in an F1 car is slim to none and from a standing start going into turn one if you get a better start than the leader the opportunity there is good and you have to take it at that track, especially if your running a short race with no pit stops. Now if it's not there and your trying to force it than no, but similar to a last lap situation, at Monaco getting a little aggressive at the first corner, on the first lap from a standing start can win you the race, that was the point I was making, not to try and blast by everyone at the start of every race late breaking like an idiot and punting people off the track like some kid playing gran turismo or forza.

See, that would be the situation. :)

hold your line and let them pass you - its the responsibility of the faster class car to safely pass you and if you hold your line and they wreck you then its their fault for being stupid and not yours for staying consistent. Its totally different to letting same class cars lap you in that its almost impossible for you to hold up a car that's ten seconds a lap faster than you for more than a corner or two so being consistent and running your racing line and letting them pass you where they can is the best plan, while when it comes to letting same class cars lap you, you might go off line on a straight and lift a little or something since you can hold up someone like that for a long time if you don't consciously give them a chance to pass you. Generally; its quicker for everyone involved if you let cars lap you on a straight rather than a corner, but sometimes you don't have an option. I mean it depends on awareness as well: if coming up to a brake zone you notice an LMP1 car coming up to you very fast and they've indicated that they are going for the inside then be aware that they might be alongside you into the brake zone so keeping that in mind is a good thing and be ready to give them the inside if they get alongside you.

You need to run the amount of laps that the race calls for under green in a practice session. Run at least half the laps of the race in practice and try to see what the car uses each lap. Michigan this week uses a little over .5 gallons a lap. Always add a gallon or two more than you think you need if you're making just one stop. As goes for the tires that needs to be addressed again in practice. Run about 10-20 laps and change the tires, check to see how much you are wearing them and adjust your lines and let out of the gas earlier, the banking is your friend when the tires wear down. You find the more you save the tires early on you make up the spots later in the race when everyone else is getting lose.

PRetty much what Cory said. If you don't have time to run said amount of laps, do simple math: I.E. the race is 20 laps...do 2 laps and multiply by 10 and add a gallon or two. Or run 5 laps and multiply by 4. See what we mean? Tires greatly depend on how hard you push them, how long each lap/race is, and what types of speeds and loads you are putting on the car. I.E. A fast track like monza is mostly high loads(A lot of G's) at high speeds, where as some tracks are more slow speed with winding corners(less G force). See how your tires react with your driving and change the pressure a little. Do a few more laps and see how it feels with the same driving. See how it is when you coast instead of brake hard for a lap, it's all about seeing how the tire reacts in different circumstances.

If this is fixed Indy on iracing then the general rule is add between 8 and 10 gallons and you'll be good depending on the number of yellows - at some of the longer races you'll need to add more but not much more. One advantage with the indycar is that you have MPG and the amount left right on the wheel so you don't need to do through the black boxes to figure things out. You need to do a little maths and if you aren't good at that then its a little difficult but when you've worked out when you're going to pit work out how much you need (divide the distance left in miles by the MPG to work out how many gallons to add to get a rough number and then round that up and add a little bit is what I tend to do; and then if you're short pitting subtract what you've got in the tank already to make sure that you aren't overfilling) For fuel saving in the indycar on ovals its hard because in iracing fuel consumption is entirely based on throttle position and so you can't do it when you're by yourself without giving up a handful of time - in open setup series you can turn the engine mode down but that's not always an option. The best way is to get behind someone, stay in their draft and lift on the straights in their draft to save fuel without losing speed. On road courses you can do it by yourself; generally what you need to do is lift off the throttle earlier and coast the car into the brake zones braking a little bit later in order to save a little bit; I'm not a good road course driver though so I can't help there. The key thing is to be aware that you have an issue as early as possible: its easy to save half a gallon over twenty or thirty laps then it is to do it over five and that's why knowing the track length is always key information since then you can use the info that the car gives you (MPG) to work out if you have enough fuel. Tyres is much; much harder and I can only talk about the Indycar oval stuff; you really have to make the decision to save tyres early in the run and intentionally run a careful pace through the corners - although you can't be too slow; you do have to make the time that you are losing back up later on. The big thing that really helps is to get clean air as the aeropush is a big tyre killer: on ovals that can be as simple as running an alternative line to the car in front in order to get air to your front wing and reduce the stress on the tyres. The key thing is probably knowing when to save and when to go; it depends on the group that you are racing with and if its one of those races where you don't have a long green flag run saving tyres is probably not really worth it - or indeed right at the end of the race.

And how about I race like Jeremy Mayfield and rattle your cage

Tyler Russell this is a grey area within a grey area.

I would never use F1 as an example of anywhere else but F1 in this regard, as the "rules" have basically made it so running other cars off the road to prevent them from passing is basically encouraged. You don't see quite the same in other forms of racing, product of different rules and different cars. In, F1 the cars are so uniquely fast you see a lot of passes that are on the borderline of a divebomb just due to the nature of the really, really short braking zones and accelerate so quickly that unless the guy on the outside is really, really there he won't be by the time the driver on the racing line puts down all of the power, compared to the driver off the line with less grip available.

you kidding? the outside driver has all the right to be there. I would say it in Montoya words: "You must be either stupid or blind." (he said that next to Schumacher who pushed him out to the grass). This mentality crap comes from F1. I grew up watching Andretti or Al Unser jr passing ppl around the outside and they were never pushed out to the gravel/wall on the outside. They all respected each other.

actually it must be an F1 thing... Mansell pushed Little Al to the wall at Long Beach while Al was on the outside....they collided.. so yea here you have it. An F1 thing.

Pushing someone off on exit in road racing is a European thing, typically in open wheel. Not tolerated in the States because of the rules used in the States.

Blocking and defending is a different story that I'll cover in the future. Not sure on corner rights, as frankly I don't think you could really write them in stone in a way that doesn't totally stifle potentially great moments. But then again given it's F1 and what we've seen from the on track product and the fact it's clearly become fine to just flat out run an opponent off the road I'd totally disregard F1's rules in general sim racing.

anomalousresult you're right. When people get off their line everybody loses time and it could lead to accidents. Gte and hpd stay in your lane, also lmp1 drive patiently because you are 10 sec faster than eveyone.

On the agenda for sooner than later.

uhm there's a checkbox for that

Obviously. But the expectation to use the stupid thing is still there.

What the fuck? You wish you could disable it. But you don't do it because other people are using it. xD Do you have your own brain? Or do you share it with other people? You could just think for yourself, you know... :D Many good racers don't use the chat at all. But all the low skill dive-bombing trolls will definitely chat about every accident. But hey, if you prefer to listen to bad drivers with self-control issues, it's your choice. :)

Hey, if you can't understand implications behind what I said then that's your problem. I'm not your teacher though it seems the education system has failed you.

During Empty Box’s Nürburgring race I was thinking about an iRacing system to vote against someone’s excessive chatter. If a driver learned everyone voted against him he might try to learn why.

Seriously? This is common sense stuff. Please never go online cause if you can't bring up this little respect for fellow competitors, all hope is lost for you

fetB I love people who can't be bothered to read an entire comment before they respond. I don't *always* drive aggressively, I just forget to be more careful *sometimes*. It's not like I go around purposefully ramming people, I just have a slight tendency to go for riskier moves than I should.

PorygonFanatics NASCAR Thunder was an EA series too lol. Thunder also didn't have any career mode afaik (I've only played Thunder 03). Are you talking about NASCAR Racing?

SteppupFoRetsam It's ironic, maybe read my comment properly before you respond. This is the important part. Common sense says to not do it, and if you can't "re-program" yourself, than you have a serious mental issue.

fetB If it's "common sense", then NO ONE would drive aggressively. No one would have to be told not to divebomb every corner. The very existence of this video disproves the idea of clean racing being "common sense".

It wasn't me, and he didn't brake. The Audi the camera was onboard had a much higher straight line speed due to factors that make LMP1 Hybrids LMP1 Hybrids. It was pretty clear from a decent distance back the Audi was going to need to take to the grass to pass the Porsche.

Farjam King that was karma. Not what he should have done, but karma

Trololololol

You mean like Senna did to Prost at Suzuki in 90.

Chris H justified! Prost did it to Ayrton first in 89!

It's not like you're biased at all Ayrton............ ;) :P

94 was Hill's fault. If you watch the on-board from Schumacher, you can see that the lateral contact wasn't what send him flying up, but Hill braking while their wheels were interlocked.

Wreaking =/= rubbing.

how the fuck is this common sense? when you're racing you should block those that want to pass you, and if someone's significantly faster than you then you shouldn't be racing him anyway. Now this is common sense.