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Kohlberg’s 6 Stages of Moral Development 

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Lawrence Kohlberg's theory claims that our development of moral reasoning happens in six stages: 1. Obedience and Punishment, 2. Self-interest 3. Interpersonal Accord and Conformity 4.Authority and maintaining social order, 5.Social Contract, 6.Universal Ethical principles.
Kohlberg claims that we reach one stage after another showing an ever-deeper understanding of moral questions. The stages themselves are structured in three levels: Pre-Conventional, Conventional and Post-Conventional.
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@sprouts
@sprouts 2 года назад
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@Destiney..
@Destiney.. Год назад
1- Avoiding Punishment 2- Seeking interest 3- Societal conformity 4- Maintaining the social order 5- Social contract 6- Ethics are paramount, and laws change to serve it.
@tanhan1527
@tanhan1527 3 года назад
So Heinz casually forgot about his baked bean and ketchup company?
@MelodicLink
@MelodicLink 3 года назад
LMAOO
@amybrown1012
@amybrown1012 3 года назад
LOLOL!
@RagingKabuto
@RagingKabuto 3 года назад
Absolutely not, he assumes people will purchase his delicious baked beans to throw at riot police because they were protesting drug prices. He's just a closet capitalist, really.
@deestefmorr
@deestefmorr 3 года назад
Lol
@jasonb9470
@jasonb9470 3 года назад
Hahahahaahha this really cracked me up... Lol now i need to stabilize coz everytime i hear the story i do not take it seriously...
@toekneesee
@toekneesee 3 года назад
At 0:46, Fin's fear of punishment isn't from the teacher; Fin's fear of punishment is from getting his ass kicked by the ninth graders!
@angelfromheaven123
@angelfromheaven123 3 года назад
True that
@toekneesee
@toekneesee 3 года назад
@@angelfromheaven123 fo sho ;D
@user-in1yw9ty5t
@user-in1yw9ty5t 3 года назад
it has sublevels. first the bully second you have to face the teacher. both annoying but the most fearful would be the bully
@eleniandthecards
@eleniandthecards 3 года назад
Maybe one of the 9th graders is a big brother to the 1st grader Tom punched and Tom's getting what he deserves.
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 3 года назад
The only reason the teacher can step in is because he's bigger.
@hannahjanesagandilan4669
@hannahjanesagandilan4669 3 года назад
POV: you're watching this video because of ETHICS
@jezreelkyllietelan7035
@jezreelkyllietelan7035 3 года назад
Yeaàaa HAHAHA
@johnmac7399
@johnmac7399 3 года назад
Yes hahahah
@hannahjanesagandilan4669
@hannahjanesagandilan4669 3 года назад
HAHAHAHAHAHA hands up
@reuelsicup8875
@reuelsicup8875 3 года назад
HAHAHHAAHAHA
@nicksvlogs7963
@nicksvlogs7963 2 года назад
Ifyyy
@Leoshti
@Leoshti 3 года назад
Pov: your psychology teacher is making u watch this
@xanadu2002
@xanadu2002 3 года назад
how did you know!!??
@Leoshti
@Leoshti 3 года назад
@@xanadu2002 haha 😂 my one made me n my class watch it 😂
@riverkath
@riverkath 3 года назад
Or criminology teacher!
@australiandoggo5688
@australiandoggo5688 3 года назад
Nope criminology teacher but close
@Leoshti
@Leoshti 3 года назад
@@australiandoggo5688 wait why is there so many new people ;-; hiii
@ShawnRavenfire
@ShawnRavenfire 2 года назад
My answer to the question at the end: Breaking the law to save a life is justified, and almost any judge would dismiss the case for extenuating circumstances. But even if that were not the case, if the man could have saved his wife's life, or a complete stranger, it would still be a noble act for him to be willing to go to jail for stealing the drug, putting others' needs above his own. As for the pharmacist, I wouldn't send him to jail either. While I do believe that he has a MORAL obligation to help the man's wife (if not by giving the drug freely or at a reduced price, then at least agreeing to some kind of installment plan), he doesn't have any LEGAL obligation to help her. It's just like if I see someone drowning, I'm morally obligated to do save them, but not legally obligated. It's not the job of the police to force us to be good people, just to prevent us from directly infringing upon each others' freedoms. So for that reason, the pharmacist shouldn't be arrested, but should be held accountable in other ways, such as future customers taking their business elsewhere.
@ddoomsday7313
@ddoomsday7313 2 года назад
Both should be arrested, one is for missing the aid on is for breaking in. If you reach just the 2nd logical step, you will see both actions are illegal. I mean if you are able to preserve a life but you miss it you are a crimer too. Lawn dont argue about economical transactions, so its irrelevant, only can shrink down the quality of punishment. That question is more on logics for me. Well maybe save ur wife also can shrink it, maybe save a strange man not much. It is not my mistake that the question itself is based in an one-step logical system.
@BotancanGamer
@BotancanGamer 2 года назад
Completely agree @shawn ravenfire
@randyhilton6629
@randyhilton6629 2 года назад
The sad thing is that society poses this dilemma all too often, but when compassion is practiced by all, both sides are served. Might our moral obligation then be to alter society's view of what is legal? Laws are not always ethical or moral.
@TigersandBearsOhMy
@TigersandBearsOhMy 2 года назад
"It's not the job of the police to force us to be good people, just to prevent us from directly infringing upon each others' freedoms." Very well said!
@RedDwarfism
@RedDwarfism 2 года назад
I agree
@GreatDayEveryone
@GreatDayEveryone 2 года назад
My kid's psychologist told me my daughter's sense of conscience was more fully developed than my ex's. This is super interesting.
@brushbros
@brushbros 2 года назад
Then again your daughter is going to a psychologist. Psychologists are simply lay clergymen. Most of them have received "help" at some time too. Nothing wrong with that. Converted sinners make the best saints.
@youtubisashoe
@youtubisashoe 2 года назад
Genetics dictate that kids can only be what they were made from
@MrBobbymacaroni
@MrBobbymacaroni 2 года назад
@@youtubisashoeAnd then Evolution says, "Hold my sweet tea...!"
@youtubisashoe
@youtubisashoe 2 года назад
@@MrBobbymacaroni youre not gonna notice any “evolution “ in a brief lifetime of one human tf you on about?
@rachelk4805
@rachelk4805 2 года назад
@@youtubisashoe Looks like somebody is stuck at stage 1.
@derntootin5107
@derntootin5107 3 года назад
sometimes you have to do the wrong thing for the right reasons and apologise afterwards. help those that cannot help themselves.
@TheChickenRiceBowl
@TheChickenRiceBowl 3 года назад
Exactly. That's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. Some people never do. I'm still struggling with it.
@TerrariusTheOverseer
@TerrariusTheOverseer 3 года назад
laws were created to be safezones, not the cages they are today(I.E. speeding, on the average day you should be driving at a normal speed for the safety of you and others, on other days, where you have to get to the hospital for an absolute emergency, it is within reason that you'd go faster to survive)
@prayerlifemusic
@prayerlifemusic 3 года назад
“Apologize later” provides ultimate license to do what we wish. Apology would not be needed if we broke the rule for a higher ethical principle.
@greg403
@greg403 3 года назад
I'd have no regrates in saving my Wife
@hershnotfound
@hershnotfound 3 года назад
but it also violates the very rule of ethics. doing evil for the sake of its good outcome is still morally evil :/
@Rob46373
@Rob46373 3 года назад
I remember being bullied and not being able to fight back because I was taught violence is bad and didn't want to be punished or didn't want my mother to know me beating up someone :(
@willleslie2745
@willleslie2745 3 года назад
This is common western braingwashing. To conform and to never hurt someone. Next time beat the shit out of them back, or get yourself some pepper spray. Do not conform to society. Society is always wrong because we are run by filthy governments and companies
@Rob46373
@Rob46373 3 года назад
@@willleslie2745 we should avoid violence as much as possible, but when forced, when we need to defend ourselves or someone else and there is no other choice, then it's the right thing to do, like Michael Jackson said "just beat it"
@neurocrisp9888
@neurocrisp9888 3 года назад
Same
@bethanienaylor
@bethanienaylor 3 года назад
@@willleslie2745 big facts
@bethanienaylor
@bethanienaylor 3 года назад
@@willleslie2745 big facts, they make the rules so that they can be the only ones breaking the rules.
@whateveryousay5674
@whateveryousay5674 2 года назад
I’m 26 , it took me 26 almost 27 years to understand this. As an adolescent child I knew helping others being bullied was right, as a teen I would question every rule my religious conservative family had. Disagree with most agreeing with very little. Now as an adult I understand we are all different and see life through different eyes and experiences , compassion and understanding is the core of justice and to understand your fellow human as a human is what will stop you from inflicting more pain on the world.
@blackdaan
@blackdaan Год назад
lived the same life lol.. i had a friend he was 2.2meters.. i would just tell him to take care of the bullies.. many kids tolt us they where very happy with us.. we told them. if it happens again tell us. if i founded out they used us to bully instead of help.. we stoped "helping" them.. teachers left us alone.. walked away or looked away. we just bully them.. name caling. taking there school bag, trowing stuff. making the big buys beg us to stop. if it got pyshical. he would pick them up by there underware. funny fact. bullies hate it when they get bullied. and they dont need much to stop..
@accelerationquanta5816
@accelerationquanta5816 Год назад
There is no scientific or logical reason that inflicting pain is "bad". Morality is just made up bullshit.
@connorhansen4421
@connorhansen4421 2 года назад
This is the first time I've heard about these stages of moral development and the Heinz Dilemma. As I was watching the video I noticed that I was repulsed by the pharmacist's unwillingness to help the Heinz's dying wife. Heinz breaking into the pharmacy to steal the drug to save his wife was admirable. I think his actions were justified considering he was saving his wife's life. I also think the situation changes depending on whether the sick person was his wife or a stranger, though it shouldn't really. I think that a life is a life and how do we measure the value of a life compared to that of another? Here's a question, though: how would the situation change if the wife's condition was such that giving her the drug would save her life but only prolong her pain and suffering? Then, perhaps, the pharmacist wouldn't be such a bad guy in the story. Do I think pharmacists should be arrested for selling life-saving drugs at 10x the manufacturing price? Hell yes.
@raphdm3776
@raphdm3776 Год назад
I only disagree with your last answer, the police's job is to promote freedom by stopping bad deeds, not forcing good ones. The pharmacist only has a moral obligation to help her, and should be held accountable in a different ways, like letting all of his customers know about his deed.
@sahanaavavatu
@sahanaavavatu Год назад
What if the pharmacist is charging 10x because the medicine is rarely demanded and most of his stock will expire ? it is mentioned that he is selling 10x manufacture cost so this question is not as straight forward as it sounds
@cryptocoin5318
@cryptocoin5318 Год назад
Very simple, think of robbing your own mother. there is your answer.
@ixoraroxi
@ixoraroxi Год назад
The Big Pharma is doing exactly that! There should be awareness amongst people and resistance, so the poor husband shouldn't be driven to steal 😕 in the first place.
@aRandomMe987
@aRandomMe987 Год назад
Heinz's action of stealing is justifiable since the pharmacist prays on the helplessness of the patients they know would need such medicine, leaving Heinz only one option to take if he wants to save his wife. Should Heinz not love his wife or if it were to be a stranger then he wouldn't take such a risk, and I see nothing wrong with it. All lives are equal but our senses of value are not. Gold is precious, but why? To us normal people it is because there's a huge demand for gold and we can sell them for cash. To the richer class, it is because they believed gold is a luxurious good that is suitable to show their wealth. To scientists, it is because of its incredibly useful properties. If there's no demand for gold, we will just view them as shiny pieces of metal, no more valuable than rocks. If gold is not viewed as valuable, they mean nothing to the richer class since they can't flex their wealth with it. Should there is no such need for gold in the electronic field, scientists will simply ignore them. It all comes down to how we feel and what we can get out of them. Between a stranger and his wife whom he loved so dearly, the stranger is obviously not of the same value to Heinz. Now, about the pharmacist, do I think he should be arrested? Well, that depends. He is for sure not a kind person, but evil? Not necessary. He simply aims for the profit he can make and even though disregards others in the process, his aim is not to bring harm to anyone. What I do believe though, is that such action should be illegal, but if it's not, there's no real reason to arrest him for the law does not require him to be compassionate toward others and he has done nothing wrong. My view on this will not change even if the medicine will only prolong the wife's suffering for the pharmacist doesn't take that into account at all but simply thinks about the profit.
@matthewleitch1
@matthewleitch1 4 года назад
In response to the moral dilemma at the end, I would suggest trying another pharmacy. UPDATE Many people have pointed out that the dilemma said the drug was not available elsewhere. I missed that at first. However, that is because the dilemma is now completely implausible and unrealistic. Drug stores do not make unique pharmaceuticals. I thought of other bizarre aspects of the scenario too. It is not usable today. Perhaps more important, this experience underlines how far we usually go to avoid getting boxed into dilemmas like this.
@brutalbob842
@brutalbob842 4 года назад
Thinking outside the box, eh? I like it!
@matthewleitch1
@matthewleitch1 4 года назад
@@jh4766 Ah yes. I got a bit confused because in this story the 'druggist' (i.e. the pharmacy store) is the one that makes the drug, not a pharmaceutical company with the resources to research, test, and get approval for the drug. This unrealistic element passed me by on viewing the first time.
@jarrod752
@jarrod752 4 года назад
@@matthewleitch1 It was a _realistic_ element when the dilemma was first proposed. The FDA wasn't around to -protect incumbents- promote drug safety at the time.
@matthewleitch1
@matthewleitch1 4 года назад
@@jarrod752 The more I think about the story the more I find the whole thing bizarre and implausible. Why would you be desperate to buy a drug that has been created in a way that provides no reasonable assurance that the drug will be effective? If the drug is being sold by someone who just wants to make money from it, then why won't they sell it to a customer who is offering all he has? I realise it's difficult to construct these moral dilemmas without this sort of problem.
@jarrod752
@jarrod752 4 года назад
@@matthewleitch1 Yeah, that and anybody these days would probably be willing to give it to heinz on credit, and let him make payments.
@MrDeliciousPork
@MrDeliciousPork 3 года назад
POV: you have an exam in 2 hours and you're gonna fail Edit: yeah I definitely failed that one
@tusheyy6033
@tusheyy6033 3 года назад
Me later
@davikghst9498
@davikghst9498 3 года назад
Ah me right now
@Minjenxvii
@Minjenxvii 3 года назад
I have exam tomorrow
@tusheyy6033
@tusheyy6033 3 года назад
@@Minjenxvii i'm back after 3 weeks and sameeee. This one is included in the test too
@Minjenxvii
@Minjenxvii 3 года назад
@@tusheyy6033 This includes in my semester's exam
@melissagoddessa1102
@melissagoddessa1102 2 года назад
The husband is legally unjustified but morally justified. He committed the act of theft but rescued his dying wife. The pharmacist is the opposite; he is legally justified and morally unjustified. He cannot be forced to sell his product cheaper, but he could’ve set up a payment plan to make it affordable. I feel like the best solution is to have the government negotiate drug prices to make it affordable. No single individual can change anything, but collectively our voices for better healthcare will be heard. ⚕️My stage is 5: Social Contract. The laws should be enforced, but I understand laws can be poorly designed. Getting politically involved and advocating your rights is the best pathway forward.
@EH-vzzy
@EH-vzzy 2 года назад
Well summarised
@davidtherwhanger6795
@davidtherwhanger6795 2 года назад
I agree something must be done. But doing the same thing that has had disastrous results when done in the past is probably not the way to go. Government setting prices has failed time and time again in many other areas. I know you said negotiate, but the government rarely negotiates when it has the power to simply dictate. Alternatively allowing the industry to help draft regulation doesn't work well either. That is how the US went from over 2 dozen car makers in the early 20th century to just 3 in the mid 20th century. Those 3 helped draft the regulation. I don't know if this has been tried before, but what if instead of giving a pharmaceutical company inside our borders exclusivity, we expand it to those outside our country can get approval as well. Broadening the market. As I understand it right now foreign pharmaceutical companies can import drugs into the US on a case by case basis if they have no part of their company here. Meaning that a citizen can order a medication from outside the US only so long as the drug in question is not made here. But as soon as a company here in the US begins making that drug, citizens are not allowed to get that drug from the foreign companies that have had mass production, and thus a lower price; and must instead begin buying the drug from the US company at whatever price the US company sets. I remember hearing about a case about 5 to 8 years ago about this. And I think the FDA still has it this way. How it works as I understand it is if you have a condition and require a drug that is not available in the US and doesn't have FDA approval you can get special dispensation thru the FDA to purchase the drug abroad. Until a US company gets approved by the FDA to manufacture that medicine and the FDA cancels your special dispensation. www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2011/03/23/the-most-innovative-countries-in-biology-and-medicine/?sh=71f5805b1a71 I know the data is a little old, but I think it hasn't changed that much in the last decade. Without large profits, interest in researching and developing new drugs would dry up. And as the graph shows 40% of all the new research in the world is done by the US. For that to take a significant hit I fear in our drive to reap the benefits we accidently kill the goose laying the golden eggs. I know the extortion rates of some medications are going to hurt some people. I just don't want our desire to save a few end up killing the many of the future.
@wildfire9280
@wildfire9280 2 года назад
@@davidtherwhanger6795 Government has a lengthy history of negotiating outcomes over dictating them when their resolution is a national concern (strikes are an example), though there is certainly some guaranteed dictation, especially when regulations have been broken (at least there should be; assuming enforcement). Also, what you mentioned about the FDA sounds like protectionism. Which is surprising since I feel most would say the U.S has committed itself to the principles of free trade and economic liberalization since the federal income tax (to which middle class Americans actually contribute more) and WW2.
@johnoleary1715
@johnoleary1715 2 года назад
It's a rule-of-law test. The scenario (at the end of the video, btw) provides a set moral questions that suggest (imply, whatever) that a system of rules cannot always provide a moral (principled, whatever) outcome to every interpersonal conflict in a society, which is true (btw). The answer you give to these questions is going to reflect your personal values. Obviously, you (or, any given person) want to respect the law. However, if the rules of law, which is simple system of rules trying to resolve a complex set of circumstances that occur in your (or, any given) society, fail to provide a moral or principled outcome in a given scenario, the correct thing to do is reevaluate the law, or the application of the law, and make corrections or realignments so that the desired outcome occurs. Of course, not everyone will have the same desired outcome. So, if a person ranks their principals so that the preservation of life supersedes the protection of property (perhaps in every situation, but not necessarily), they'll find a way to justify taking the drug away from the pharmacist (by whatever means) and saving Mrs. Heinz (who should have a enough money to buy the drug in the first place because they sure seem to sell a lot of ketchup, but whatever). Regardless of how you answer these questions, if the answers you give result in the preservation of life over property, then you obviously value life over property (or the concept of personal property). Which, I suppose, is the point of the questions. You can make more of a drug, and you can resolve a personal property dispute after the fact with some sort of just outcome, but you cannot restore a life lost to decision based on a set of rules that fail to resolve a complex scenario unforeseen by the author(s) of the rules. If you don't have confidence in the answers you give these questions (which I expect is pretty common), it's probably because you are having a hard time resolving the conflict between your principals; respect for an individual's choice of how they conduct their business and deal with their property (the pharmacist), or the preservation of one person's life over the liberty of another's. Some would find this an easy choice, and some would not. Also, the amount of time you have to think about your answers and/or your values may matter. So, if you read this far, maybe you want my answer. I have to assume that Mrs. Heinz (or whoever) has a fixed amount of time to live and that immediate action is the only way to save her (or them: I think they made that clear in the video, but a time constraint is an important condition that has to be true, so I want to state my assumption here). Also, I'm assuming the pharmacist actually made the drug and is not just selling someone else's product. This matters to the question of the pharmacist's actions and responsibilities. The answer (based on my values) is to steal the drug, save the wife (or even a stranger), turn myself (Mr. Heinz) in to the authorities, and deal the consequences, which include paying for the drug after the fact. In case you're thinking it, yes, I'm aware that someone, somewhere, is probably dying of a treatable medical condition right now. The context of this story is what I'm talking about here, so, no, I'm not going to go hunt for a situation so I can rob a pharmacist and save someone's life. I'm just responding to the situation given, and, yes, I'm going to have a different answer for a different situation. Whatever choice I make in any given situation is personal and does not act as a baseline for my opinion of what others choose to do (the pharmacist, for instance). That said, it's absurd (and immoral) to withhold a replicable drug in a situation where a life can be saved and compensation can be resolved later. But, as we all know, this does happen. If I were the pharmacist, I would probably have a different business model that wouldn't result in the situation given. I'd probably not be in business for very long either. However, I do not believe the pharmacist in the above scenario is a murderer for withholding a drug that he can make but demands compensation for. Regardless of how you change the scenario, I'm going to put the value of life over the certain liberties of an individual because that's how I rank my values. Different scenarios will yield different variations on the same theme or outcome, but my values will always place the the right of an individual in immediate peril to live or survive over the right of another individual to retain or acquire wealth at the expense of another. So, it doesn't matter how you change the scenario, how I change my answer will be based on these values. tl;dr: of course I'd steal the drug, it wouldn't matter if I loved my wife, It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, and I don't think the pharmacist should be charged with murder.
@ludwigvb2943
@ludwigvb2943 2 года назад
You forget an important thing! The ought of Hippocrates, he is bound to it, in this case the pharmacist. So yes he has to endure the consequences. Your text is instructif and mostly subjectif. internal motivations does play here; I wrote - I think before turning a burglar I should follow the moral path , if and only if time does mattes, than still I would do the moral path (shortcut) and go right afterward the burglar path. Leaving money, and turn myself in. Greetings.
@chickenstix7815
@chickenstix7815 4 года назад
Level 7: Let the world burn.
@Zett76
@Zett76 4 года назад
Because of self interest...
@mentalbreakdance1322
@mentalbreakdance1322 4 года назад
When you get tired of worrying about morality and the consequences of everything so it would just be easier if the world ended.
@punshibaluwang9604
@punshibaluwang9604 4 года назад
That’s why CORONA comes in.
@loopiloop
@loopiloop 4 года назад
Level 0. Impulse control isn't even attempted.
@vecstrandedonabarrenplanet7343
@vecstrandedonabarrenplanet7343 4 года назад
Level 7: Justice and evil, I am beyond that now.
@strangurrkittens2145
@strangurrkittens2145 3 года назад
Hahaha studying for my child psychology exams and reading comments here is like 😂😂😂😂😂
@notokay4566
@notokay4566 3 года назад
@457 0X procastination
@lornenoland8098
@lornenoland8098 2 года назад
The first scenario of the children fighting occurred when I was in 3rd grade. Two larger kids were viciously beating a smaller one, lying on the ground bloodied and screaming. I was horrified and wanted to stop the attack. The large crowd of other kids, however, were cheering and encouraging the attackers, like some kind of mob excited with blood lust. Where would their behavior fall on this spectrum? I felt helpless to do anything, and being a child could think of nothing, so I moved along home and told my mom. We got in the car and drove back by where it had happened, but it was all over by then. I learned everything I ever needed to know about human nature on that day.
@adorebee9447
@adorebee9447 Год назад
A mixture of Stage 2 (self interest)- encourage the bullies so they understand that you are on their side and Stage 3 (conformity)- one person cheers so another joins in, starting a snowball effect
@Niceboy1
@Niceboy1 6 месяцев назад
don't be too fast, I believe you will still have more to learn about human nature.
@SameriaCrafts
@SameriaCrafts Месяц назад
That’s also called the bystander effect unfortunately
@walter3934
@walter3934 2 года назад
Two things I want to add. One, to be careful of pit traps. Someone at moral development stage 1 and someone at moral development stage 3 shows the same reaction to what happened. It's good to carefully think things through. Two, it *seems* that the more morally developed someone is, the less they *seem* to respect the rules. Disobedience to rules does not immediately indicate moral development. Rules are needed as a vague guideline. A sign of moral development is how you could consider every factor without bias to concoct a solution that fits the situation. Basically not every solution fits every problem and never think that if you seem like the most morally developed person, no other opinion should be heard except yours.
@kubobetterrelax7435
@kubobetterrelax7435 2 года назад
Exactly right. If you think Stage 6 is about living irrespective of all rules then you're mistaken. It's simply stating that moral ethics should be the foundation of laws. And when rules and morally ethical practice clash, what is morally right should supersede what is legal. But it does not mean all rules and laws are null
@8stormy5
@8stormy5 10 месяцев назад
A good test for discerning the latter point, in my opinion, is to ask somebody to state in general terms what moral weighting goes into the decision of whether or not to break a rule. There is not necessarily a "right" answer here, what's important is that the answer is sound and principled. A neoliberal (using the philosophical definition) may argue only certain unjust rules may be morally broken, since a general agreement to follow rules you believe are wrong but not egregiously so is necessary for those rules to actually inform and control action. Staunch Millsian Libertarians meanwhile may believe it is always morally justifiable to violate rules when there is no possibility that unconsenting others would be harmed in the process, out of placing paramount value on freedom of the self. As you said, having a complex understanding of morality that recognizes laws as being approximations of and in service to ethics is quite distinguishable from the egoist disposition to merely ignore laws altogether.
@alana1333
@alana1333 4 месяца назад
Amazing. Well said!
@karenness5588
@karenness5588 4 года назад
Laws have been invented to enforce limits on behavior, primarily force and deceit, which can destroy relationships. The man faces a dilemma between two evils, letting his wife die and breaking a law that prohibits a behavior that, if it became generalized, could destroy society. Of course, he isn't thinking about that, not with his wife dying. It is we, as citizens, who must think about that. How far are we willing to allow the law to be flouted? If society collapsed, many people would suffer from the effects of looting, violence, and a lack of production of those things we need to live better lives. The only place that we are all forced to think seriously about these issues is a jury. But, when we let busy judges do all the work, we, as a population, do not develop the moral sense an advanced society needs in order to function ethically. Then, judges, who don't necessarily have a higher moral sense than the ordinary citizen, can start making decisions that society in general does not agree with, creating rifts between the law and a large sector of the general population. It's hard for us as individuals to judge at what moral level we are at. Our self interest and fears make our moral sense shift, depending on different circumstances, especially emotional ones. That's why an impartial jury is so important to keeping the use of public power ethical.
@ishdeepkaurwalia1346
@ishdeepkaurwalia1346 4 года назад
Well said 👍
@Spiral.Dynamics
@Spiral.Dynamics 4 года назад
Yes. This is the best we can do at our current development. But if we lived in Cuba or someplace that provides healthcare as a right and has prescriptions included, then this man would not have this dilemma. There are levels above those mentioned here. Without the Tao Kindness and compassion Are replaced by law and justice Faith and trust are supplanted By ritual and ceremony ✌️❤️🕉
@karenness5588
@karenness5588 4 года назад
@@Spiral.Dynamics Have you lived in Cuba? Somewhere that isn't a reward for loyalty to the party that now funds itself with casinos and prostitution for those visitors who believe it's a worker's paradise, that ruthlessly represses opposition and makes sure everyone stays in the place designated by the party elites? When you do, come tell us about how much kindness and compassion there really is there. I can assure you that more kindness and compassion exists where it isn't part of the same body in society that relies on the threat of a gun to get its job done.
@Spiral.Dynamics
@Spiral.Dynamics 4 года назад
Karen Ness You’re splitting hairs here. Ok.,so a person who lives 10,000 years ago in a village where there is no money and healing is included. Life is not a zero-sum game. Someone who lives in Cuba is free from the dilemma presented here. They may have other dilemmas that you think that you are free of.
@karenness5588
@karenness5588 4 года назад
@@Spiral.Dynamics The video is about moral development. I originally made the point that we need laws that sometimes come into conflict with other values and that it's in a jury where we should resolve those life and death conflicts and the only place we can, as a people raise our, or, if you will, raise the average moral sense. Point being that if we relegate the job to judges, we don't develop the moral sense we need collectively as a populous and advanced society where new medicines to treat rarer diseases can be researched and developed. You brought in Cuba and now some ancient mythical time we know little about where there is little evidence of well-being, but where we know that old age was nowhere near egalitarian. If they survived beyond the age of three, they were probably quite hardy, but, on average, still didn't live very long. You are right, neither in Cuba or 10,000 years ago is stealing medicine a dilemma. Such a rare medicine would probably not be available for anyone but the elite in Cuba (they probably fly to Miami to be treated) and 10,000 years ago the only medicine available didn't take the average person much beyond 25 years of age, assuming such knowledge was generalized or freely shared by those who had it. No pharmacies available to the public, no dilemma there. Resolving dilemmas effectively often means splitting hairs, not wildly swinging the axe of wishful thinking. (Forgive my intellectual brutality. ) Every time and place has its advantages and disadvantages, every person's perspective has its advantages and disadvantages. Though the rules must to be black and white, (they need to be clear if they're to be of any use as guides to our behavior,) life isn't black and white, but the grays most certainly are about splitting hairs and that is a serious job we should all engage in as often as we are able to, precisely to develop our moral sense, not make glib comments we don't think through carefully before throwing them out. (If I could give your feelings some anesthesia to help you analyze these ideas carefully, I would, but unfortunately the only way to exercise our moral muscles is to learn to tolerate discomfort and sometimes even pain. Cuba and any glib talk about socialism is painful to me because we lost two uncles in the family to violence by adherents of the doctrine. Not something I can be glib about.) Live long and prosper.
@toan--HoangVuGiaHuy
@toan--HoangVuGiaHuy 3 года назад
This is one of the most informative and knowledgeable youtube channel that I have watched
@ryrieee
@ryrieee 2 года назад
my parents were overprotective and this video helped me find a good description of some of the effects - i'm still stuck in the first phase of moral development
@TheFate23
@TheFate23 Год назад
This theory is just an opinion that has not been proven using any scientific method. Morals and ethics are completely subjective and don't follow any development scale.
@Vibe77Guy
@Vibe77Guy 2 года назад
Steal the drug, cure the wife, turn yourself into the police. A jury would then be the judge of the situation, and hopefully the pharmacist would be punished for price gouging and putting human lives at risk. A pharmacist, as part of the medical community, is still bound by the Hippocratic oath, which he is in violation of in this scenario.
@myloohagan5686
@myloohagan5686 2 года назад
The husband could have offered other ways to offset the price, work for the pharmacist or offer him a service, ask for credit instead of discount. It may or may not have been accepted, but he chose theft which was not his only option.
@georgianagheorghe8848
@georgianagheorghe8848 2 года назад
@@myloohagan5686 I'm afraid that many poor people don't even have credit and although such people work hard, individuals like the pharmacist don't actually keep their word. Let's not forget that we live in a sick society, where many diligent honest people are exploited by others. People will do anything for money. They even kill their peers for it.
@myloohagan5686
@myloohagan5686 2 года назад
@@georgianagheorghe8848 I'm poor, I can't get credit, I work hard. I don't remember any promises given or implied to me by any pharmacist ever. How can a society be sick? It is dynamic and as versatile as the individuals that create it from day to day. People need money, that is undeniable, in fact I have dressed up in a bio suit and hosed down tons of human shite just to get money. I've plundered dumps and refuse to get money. If I fail to make money my family suffer and starve to death and it is my fault. If the pharmacist fails to cut his profit and my wife dies as a result it's his fault?
@Kittyququmber
@Kittyququmber 2 года назад
The pharmacists is not doing price gouging. The politicians and pharma companies are. But you just don’t see them. The pharmacist’s wife is also sick at home and dying. He needs to make enough money to buy the same medicine for HIS wife. If HE sells the magical medicine to the man, he (the pharmacist) looses 50% and then the pharmacist will not be able to afford the money to buy the drug for HIS own wife and SHE will die!!!
@ThepurposeofTime
@ThepurposeofTime 2 года назад
@@Kittyququmber ugh.... there comes a point in time where you have to step in and help. Pharmacists make a LOT of money, please don't make excuses for a heartless Pharmacist
@wendellhoward884
@wendellhoward884 2 года назад
I appreciated the explanation. Interesting how the developers draw the audience in to continue the social experiment.
@krithikvakil8166
@krithikvakil8166 3 года назад
I love content like this where we are presented with different social theories or experiments. Love Sprouts for doing this. I am thankful to you that I am finally discovering content that I love.
@sprouts
@sprouts 3 года назад
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@anantambisht4895
@anantambisht4895 2 года назад
Read psychology . It is interesting
@tanuchoudhary7239
@tanuchoudhary7239 2 года назад
@@sprouts do you take internships also??
@JLHMahal
@JLHMahal 2 года назад
Our morals develop all throughout our lifetime. True that the stages especially the last one may not always be completed. Most of the time too, we find ourselves going back and forth through the stages. It's the sign that we have not really firmly grasp the stages that we must have completed and the element of Choice and Values would always come into play. 😇🤓🤩 Thank you for sharing.😇😁🤓
@Potencyfunction
@Potencyfunction 5 месяцев назад
There is social conformity, when an asshole put you "sticks in the road/way of development" whitout reason and only for personal use. There is no respect for a bunch of criminals who break laws, and hypocrites which goes to represent a cause , and start lieing and twisting the reality. It is a paranoid, delayed there in top-than they should be removed. Becauze that is what they have learned and apply laws. Pieces of shit, I have no idea how they even belive that someone will ever give them attention. I have never experienced in my life-that I am attracted by assholes!
@PrettyBrownNeek
@PrettyBrownNeek 2 месяца назад
Good thing I found this video! Someone shared their notes and it only included the levels, not the stages! Great breakdown and resource ❤
@turtlezcatz1651
@turtlezcatz1651 4 года назад
Love this channel’s work!
@sprouts
@sprouts 4 года назад
Thank you, Turtlezcatz!
@micheal49
@micheal49 4 года назад
One of the important phrases: Kohlberg sought to confirm his theory. That's not how things are supposed to be done.
@areyomeematejasvi687
@areyomeematejasvi687 3 года назад
So clear cut explanation. Thank you
@Garethpookykins
@Garethpookykins 2 года назад
My initial thoughts on the questions at the end are: 1) No, he shouldn’t have broken in and stolen the medicine, because getting caught would make a bad situation even worse. And also it’s a blessing that a drug even exists that can save his wife’s life. The fact that it would benefit his wife doesn’t give him the right to steal it. And he’s not considering the cost on the pharmacist to repair any damage from the break-in. However if he got caught, considering the circumstances, I would believe he shouldn’t be charged, but let off with a warning and only charged if he breaks in again. 2) If he doesn’t love his wife then his reasons for stealing the drug are no longer obvious to me and I’d want to know why he stole it. Perhaps he’s just stealing it because he believes it’s the right thing to do, even though he’s not gaining anything personally from his wife recovering. But him stealing it even though he doesn’t love his wife doesn’t make it more or less morally acceptable to me. 3) If he was doing it for a random stranger it still doesn’t make it more or less morally acceptable to me. Again, I would wonder what his reasons were though. 4) No, the pharmacist shouldn’t be charged with murder as I’m assuming his motive for not giving the drug was because he wasn’t being paid his asking price. Not because he wanted the man’s wife to die, even if he knew that giving him the drug at half price would save her life. Unless it could be proven beyond resonable doubt that the reason he didn’t give Heinz the drug was because he knew Heinz’ wife would die and he wanted her dead. Although I don’t know what he should be charged with if that was the case. However, I think the pharmacist should seek to have an understanding of the significance of what his drug can mean to people and that lives can be saved or lost as a result of taking or not taking the drug. And he should put measures in place that help him stay profitable while being able to help the poor have access to his drug.
@xloves2785
@xloves2785 3 года назад
Still in awe of Kohlberg coming up with this. 🙌🙌🙌
@freddohobbiescrafts8036
@freddohobbiescrafts8036 3 года назад
i mean,. right?
@Zironeful
@Zironeful 3 года назад
I personaly think it quite weak. Laws are built upon the ethics of a society; thus, by putting the lawful person on another level than the ethical principles, he principally misunderstood society. We don`t just write laws without thinking about it, we think about what is right and create or change law to reflect our beliefs. Thus, the lawful person would be the person who acts upon the ethics of the society he lives in, while stage five and six live by their person ethics.
@jezreelniobernaltenatad2803
@jezreelniobernaltenatad2803 3 года назад
Given the situation I'd say that although his intentions were good, his means of getting the medicine is obviously wrong. But then when we weigh things out there are much more good that's happening. For stealing he gets to cure his wife and he might go to jail (its up to a competent judge) but I guess he wont even regret it knowing he saved her life. It's still a better choice if there is no other choice.
@shizzahassan2413
@shizzahassan2413 3 года назад
Wow, this was super helpful in remembering these stages! Interesting and attention-capturing video.
@indisputabledragon3466
@indisputabledragon3466 2 года назад
So helpful! Studying for my aswb social work exam.
@dianeturner223
@dianeturner223 4 года назад
I believe all human beings have a right to make a demand on the compassion of human society for a relief of suffering. But human society is nowhere near that place where all people receive empathy and compassion equally. So I wonder to whom exactly are we supposed to submit justification to for such a belief.
@parag_Parag
@parag_Parag 4 года назад
It's sad how best content is seen by very few. These videos are like classis quality music. They are great but hardly seen and harshly noticed.
@simranpoptanii
@simranpoptanii 3 года назад
True!
@bugeater2763
@bugeater2763 3 года назад
this video was easy to follow and i love the background music. thanks!
@Ketiseb
@Ketiseb Год назад
Channel's a pure gold.
@georgianagheorghe8848
@georgianagheorghe8848 2 года назад
It all depends on the decision the person makes and the situation he is in. Many rules can be... and since many people suffer injustice because of such rules, sometimes we have to take matters into our hands and do whatever we can to solve our own problems.
@jamespfitz
@jamespfitz 2 года назад
Otherwise known as situational ethics.
@sadiasanawar6869
@sadiasanawar6869 3 года назад
I'm new to this amazing platform. Your way of explaining the matter is commendable. May you soar higher and higher and impart knowledge like this. Keep up the good work.
@adlychannel1965
@adlychannel1965 2 года назад
It depends upon the type of situation we are in. At times, we keep our distance but sometimes we tend to intervene this or that way to break the fights.
@shaojintan3526
@shaojintan3526 2 года назад
Thankyou very much, make my study journey smoother ! love
@whatilearned9676
@whatilearned9676 3 года назад
Life is priceless So steal and save I'll deal with everything happens next
@willleslie2745
@willleslie2745 3 года назад
Priceless? How about the $250k needed to raise a kid to 18? How about the pharmacist needing to make a living for himself and spending his money and time into making the pharmacy or product? Stop being entitled.
@whatilearned9676
@whatilearned9676 3 года назад
@@willleslie2745 this is just for the emergency situation It's about saving life Well it's true that earning livelihood for the pharmacist is equality important. But what you'll choose to do at first when at one side someone is dying and to other someone needs food.
@Zironeful
@Zironeful 3 года назад
A life is worth exactly a life. If you saving a life endangers a life, then you do no good. If you do save a family member by sacrifising the well-being of another, then you are just deciding who lives and who dies; you play god. While I agree that no money in the world is worth the same as a human life, that only is true as long as the money wasn`t necessary for other people to live. Image that because you stole something, another person lost his job and died? You stole 200$ worth of drugs, which is why the cashier is paid 200$ less. But the cashier needed to use the 200$ to pay for the drugs of his daughter. Was stealing still right? How are you dealing with the cashier's daughter dying?
@prof.dr.4224
@prof.dr.4224 2 года назад
congrats! the clear example of the stage 6 of moral development: the universal ethical principles!
@MVR4444
@MVR4444 4 года назад
Thank you for sharing ♥️💗
@norma580
@norma580 2 года назад
Thank you, thank you for this great way to detail this out without confusion!
@vishwaprem94
@vishwaprem94 2 года назад
Very well explained. Thank you.
@andrewr311
@andrewr311 4 года назад
It depends how you view the world, how you answer, obviously. Ken Wilber has use Kohlberg and Spiral Dynamics among others to create a more detailed system. Enjoyed the video
@leeannehicks9125
@leeannehicks9125 3 года назад
Had a childhood friend who did jail time because her mom needed expensive treatment for cancer. She ran a travel agency and stole from her customers to pay for it, her reasons didn't matter. She went to jail and of course her mom died soon after without her caregiver. So damn sad!
@BUTTER-oc5gs
@BUTTER-oc5gs 3 года назад
yeah, our capitalist society is bs
@neco5740
@neco5740 3 года назад
America?
@leeannehicks9125
@leeannehicks9125 3 года назад
Yes, the state of Michigan. She was always such a sweet soul, but the state puts money above people, unfortunately. Watching a parent die can be unbearable. I feel so bad for her.
@abbeytoks
@abbeytoks 3 года назад
Sad😥
@dalvylebron3244
@dalvylebron3244 2 года назад
That’s horrible the medical system is so f$&@ed up.. speaking as a former pharm tech
@tobsternater
@tobsternater Год назад
really fantastic content and means of being explained.
@okezierejoice8490
@okezierejoice8490 10 месяцев назад
Very helpful and the illustration used was spontaneous ❤❤
@realeditor6
@realeditor6 3 года назад
The answer is to begin a fundraiser for the Heinz family because his wife, the stranger or every human being deserves to live. Pharma firms should consider giving life saving medicine for free.
@voodooros
@voodooros 3 года назад
What if no one gives money in the fundraiser? Every human being deserves to live? Would you give up one of your kidneys to save a life of someone? Why should pharma firms give medicine for free? They are in the business of making profit, not of saving lives, which is the entire reason why life saving medicines even exist on the first place.
@drconkle1
@drconkle1 3 года назад
You realize medication research is expensive and if they were to give it away for free future research would greatly decline with no monetary motivation.
@lolly_golightly
@lolly_golightly 2 года назад
@@drconkle1 we should know as in the past 50 years we’ve paid anywhere from 45-75% of it as taxpayers if we are talking US.
@jadenmental
@jadenmental 4 года назад
1 - Stealing when it is life itself that is at stake is justified as an emergency right. It's the same principles that a state would follow if a starving person broke into a mall in the middle of nowhere in order to feed himself. A society cannot rationally expect people to substitute survival, a natural high imperative with secondary legal regulations, so the way it is normally dealt with is that the person is indeed liable for the economic damages of their action and can expect to have to re-compensate in that field, but he should not expect a criminal charge at the end of it, though the price hike may or may not feature in that settlement. 2 - In good and bad days, in sickness and in health is my own take on it. It changes quite little unless the degrees and justifications reach a certain absurd point. Otherwise, there will be an established expectation of care. Same concept if one encounters a baby in the cold woods that is clearly abandoned. Leaving it to perish from exposure would constitute a criminal lack of care and it would matter quite little if one really hates babies. On the moral front, I suppose showing love to those one hate is a strong quality even if unnatural. 3 - Much from the above follows, though here there can also be justification of distance. I might see a report over a starving Sudanese village, I might have the means and the ability to change something about it, but still elect other priorities even if blatantly lesser and that would not be in and of itself criminal. If it is a random person in the street dying then yes you are required to at the bare minimum get them help. If it is a random person laying in your own bed? The same and you should probably some divorce paper with that. 4 - Secondary factors can be key there. Firstly what the law is. Secondly why were the prices hiked? Was it due to a lawful increase from the board or was it due to the salesman's personal dislike of the customer or his wife. Or perhaps something external like realities of inflation. Did the person have any belief that this customer was telling the truth or attempting to scam? Normally, it would not make it to court unless some circumstances are quite damning, not would there be reason to make an arrest there or then unless again the circumstances are entirely unlawful, which is different than immoral. Murder would barring extreme circumstances not be on the table as that involves taking life more than it involves letting die, or absence of care, unless the intent was personal and the price hike artificial there would be nothing justifying an attempted murder charge. Chances are regulations would probably be the natural way to handle such.
@resishregmi8266
@resishregmi8266 27 дней назад
Learning ethics and watching this video, best combo ever
@robertgerald5819
@robertgerald5819 2 года назад
Extremely well done! Thank you!
@sprouts
@sprouts 2 года назад
Thanks 🙏
@MegaBleedman
@MegaBleedman 4 года назад
Stage 7 : The Purge Stage 8 : Return to Stage 1
@Trenasist
@Trenasist 3 года назад
Like we used to say in the army... 'It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission' ... (if in doubt)
@tusheyy6033
@tusheyy6033 3 года назад
Pro
@prayerlifemusic
@prayerlifemusic 3 года назад
This gives license to do whatever we wish - not a good ethical principle.....
@Trenasist
@Trenasist 3 года назад
@@prayerlifemusic It's usually in the context of making a decision, that would inevitably bear consequence if no decision was made at all. .... for example, seeing a dog stuck in a hot car.... Better to smash the window and apologise than seek permission while the dog is in danger.... or bothering your boss at 3am about a pressing issue, than not asking at all
@asusceo8648
@asusceo8648 2 года назад
This video should be your 1ST STEP TO START UNDERSTANDING the Moral development theory of Kohlberg. Thank you!
@CKSMovementMasters
@CKSMovementMasters Год назад
Wow! Thank you so much for the simplicity of this video. Very interesting subject.
@davidroddick91
@davidroddick91 2 года назад
1. Hines did the right thing by stealing the drug. Even though it is illegal, and likely to result in punishment, it is the only way he can save his wife's life. 2. It wouldn't matter if he didn't love his wife, although he might be less likely to risk punishment if that is the case. Stealing the drug is still the right thing to do. 3. If it is a stranger, Hines might be more likely to consider it someone else's problem, and decide not to risk going to jail to save someone he doesn't know. No one would blame him for feeling this way. But if he chose to commit a crime to save the life of a stranger, he would be morally justified. 4. The druggist should not go to prison if the wife dies, though I would hope he would be wracked with guilt for the rest of his life.
@francisdavis1271
@francisdavis1271 2 года назад
David Roddick: The questions weren't designed to establish "right or wrong". People at a level 4 aren't going to agree with level 5 positions... they don't perceive them. They are into self-interest.
@TigersandBearsOhMy
@TigersandBearsOhMy 2 года назад
David, I think you hit the nail on the head here. A lot of people won't like it, but I fully believe this is stage 6 thinking. I formulated my answers similarly before I read yours.
@aubreyannjohnson8452
@aubreyannjohnson8452 8 месяцев назад
This was a great explanation, thanks!
@heyyouprettyfellow2038
@heyyouprettyfellow2038 Год назад
this was so confusing to me, no matter how much i revised. thankyou so much for such a beautiful story interpretation for easy understanding. Much appreciated.
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@sprouts Год назад
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@joshualynn9913
@joshualynn9913 2 года назад
The fact that a person on their deathbed cant afford life saving medication is the real crime here. All other actions are a result and therefore no punishment should befall them. The greedy drug manufacturers should however be taken to court and found guilty of some form of manslaughter and be sentenced to rot in jail for valuing currency over human life
@metsrus
@metsrus 2 года назад
nope, they have a right to charge what ever they charge. They are under no obligation to save anyone's life.
@ashu8238
@ashu8238 2 года назад
@@metsrus true, its reality but thats what law says..ethics say that they should get punishment ..but unfortunatly we live in a society based on "blind-law" and not morals...but again different people have different morals so blind law is kinda best solution..that means yes they are under no obligation to save someones life..sad but true
@prof.dr.4224
@prof.dr.4224 2 года назад
Congrats, Joshua Lynn! Your opinion is a clear example of the highest sixth level of the post-conventional stage of moral development according to Kohlberg's theory.
@mkrj2576
@mkrj2576 2 года назад
Perhaps the druggist spent his whole life sacrificing many precsious wants for the sake of inventing a curative pill. Only the large reward at the end kept him hard at work all those years. Remove that reward and maybe that curative pill may never have been invented. Are we judging the the druggist too quickly? While it should be enough for the druggist to know he/she is saving others this ignores basic human behavior/drives - and perhaps that's the point... ethics helps us rise above basic human behaviors and drives. Hmmm. All that said, I'd have a very hard time punishing the husband.
@joshualynn9913
@joshualynn9913 2 года назад
@@mkrj2576 the question was of individual morality rather than economics. That said your point is extremely valid and maybe raises a question of societal ethics
@babischwanke
@babischwanke 4 года назад
I think he shouldn't be arrested for stealing the drug, I totally understand him and would've probably done the same thing... And yes, the person dying being someone he loves plays a huge role
@dancamus8477
@dancamus8477 3 года назад
But if you steal the person getz the drug once and gets better but without continuous treatment can be detrimental to her recovery. Thus not only killing her in the long run but also preventing her loved one or her from seeing each other making it lonely scared and messed up for both parties.
@jinallenrosaroso03
@jinallenrosaroso03 3 года назад
Thanks for this video. Asking permission to share this with my classes.
@sprouts
@sprouts 3 года назад
Granted! ❤️
@sufyanshaikh9063
@sufyanshaikh9063 Год назад
Thank you so much! Helped Alot
@mohakgupta3236
@mohakgupta3236 4 года назад
Yes, I think the stealing of drug was right in this context, as he didn't hurt anybody (physically at least), and he had to save his wife. And yes, probably the situation might have been different if he didn't love his wife, then I think it would have depended on how much of a moral/social/ obligation or duty, he considers the saving of his wife to be, if he had a strong sense of duty, then surely he would still have tried all the means to get the drug to his wife. But I think love is a much stronger motivation, and without love, he would have definitely thought more about what the consequences could be of stealing, how much risk was there and so on. But, in general, I believe it was his duty to save the life of his wife, as the husband is the closest person to a wife, like a wife is to a husband, so, no matter anyone else do it or not, it is definitely the duty of husband to save his wife - especially knowing that it is a petty theft, and he is not doing anything endangering to anyone else's life. And yes, the situation would have been totally different if the person was not his wife, but some stranger. Then he would not have stolen the drug to help him, partly because we all know and believe that we can't help everybody, and even though it hurts, but people do suffer in this world. And part of me thinks that we should help those we can, but what that help entails - that is also to be considered. Now doing something which could land the person lending the help in trouble - it is something that would prevent people from helping a stranger, instead if it was helping like by buying the medicine for someone in need, then probably he should have helped, but stealing it - that is a predicament. And no, the druggist shouldn't be arrested because he wasn't doing anything illegal considering it was within his rights to control the price of the drug he was selling (which is not usually the case, but given the lack of information, we have to assume this). But seeing the problem, someone from authority (government) should intervene here, make the required drug available at affordable rates (like by subsidizing, or by developing alternatives to it), and/or make regulations to control the control the price of the drug, meaning something has to be done so that the apparently so much essential medicine reaches the patient - I mean we are talking about saving someone's life here.
@willleslie2745
@willleslie2745 3 года назад
The government should not have reduced the price of the product. Like you said the pharmacist has every right to sell it for what they like. Also, government spending is created either with tax or printing money (causing inflation, which destroys societies). The husband should be charged with petty theft (which basically ends up being a loan) to the pharmacy. And that should be that
@shimrsparklshine
@shimrsparklshine 3 года назад
He hurt the owner of the pharmacy, who now has to pay for the damage from the things that were broken.
@shaileshnavale1819
@shaileshnavale1819 4 года назад
First one since life is more valuable than anything. I will do anything to save someone I love.. don't know which stage i am though..
@TalosTheGod
@TalosTheGod 4 года назад
none cause this theory of development has massive flaws and isnt seriously considered anymore on its own
@dinnerwithfranklin2451
@dinnerwithfranklin2451 2 года назад
Thank you for this. Very interesting.
@JaalaJDay
@JaalaJDay 8 месяцев назад
This was helpful for my NCE exam.
@diamondnoodles8862
@diamondnoodles8862 3 года назад
For the moral dilemma, I think sometimes you have to accept losses in your life. Try a fundraiser online to raise money if you are desperate enough but stealing would not be the way to go especially if the drug was SO expensive... someone will have to end up paying for that drug because nothing is free in this world, the man would probably get found out for stealing it otherwise how would his wife be alive if the ONLY way she could be saved is through that drug. He would have no record of purchasing that drug in the first place. He could easily be linked to stealing that specific drug as it would likely be one of the only incidents in the area of that drug being stolen. His buddies and even the doctors would also have been told by the man that he cannot afford the drug so everyone would automatically question (especially his buddies) how he got the drug in the first place. People would ask how his wife is alive and how he managed to afford the drug (which would require him to come up with a big lie to cover up- that is, assuming he does not get caught) The whole plan is scuffed because you can see the man grabbing the pill bottle from a broken glass cabinet with no gloves or anything, his fingerprints would be all over the place. How would he get into the pharmacy in the first place as well? BREAK AND ENTER! So now he not only will have a theft (possibly over 5000 depending how expensive the drug really was!) charge but he also has break and enter on his record. He might be able to save his wife from death but in the end he would also face jail time, and most likely fines for all the crimes he committed in doing so. Therefore, stealing the medicine would be the worst possible idea because he is not only very likely to get caught, he would also likely put himself in more financial trouble, probably face some jail time and he wouldn't be able to enjoy the time with his wife. He would also mentally beat himself up about it in his jail cell, thinking about how stupid of a decision it was to try to break into a pharmacy (which would also most likely have cameras giving a profile of the intruder), and steal an extremely expensive drug (deemed the ONLY way his wife could be saved), AND attempt to deliver the drugs to her without the advice of a medical professional (which leaves more room for delivery error but the doctors would probably notice anyways if she started taking the drug lol). In addition, I am assuming she was in the hospital being cared for by medical professionals if she was on her death bed... The man would likely not want to tell the doctors about obtaining the medicine... HOWEVER it just would not work because if she is under supervision the doctors would notice anything happening with her and if she was magically getting better or taking the medication lol.... That pharmacist kinda sucks, but there are sooo many places that up the prices on things, its ridiculous yes but it happens literally all the time... everywhere... If you arrested that pharmacist they should try going around and arresting all the others... we would have no more pharmacists left LOL! For the other options, Heinz is kind of made out to be a douchebag if he didn't love his dying wife... but if there is nothing you can do... there really is nothing you can do... it would be the same as the first option, sometimes you just have to accept losses if you have no other options or hope for a miracle. Why should Heinz care about a random stranger on their deathbed, people die everyday... sad but it is the truth and as important as it is to care and be moral if you set out to care for every person that is dying in the world you would never stop... Thoughts, anyone?
@annastewart8953
@annastewart8953 3 года назад
This explanation is one of the most perfect examples of sociopathic thinking I've ever seen. Ever.
@diamondnoodles8862
@diamondnoodles8862 3 года назад
@@annastewart8953 Oh! I am definitely not a sociopath :'( just went a little crazy punching holes in the story that eve. It's a tough scenario and I wouldn't wish death upon anyone or anyone's spouse. Just trying to be realistic as possible, depends how the court would handle something like this, maybe they'd let him off easy because of the situation!
@hasarakulatunga2873
@hasarakulatunga2873 3 года назад
being a nerd and watching this before my class starts on this subject and laughing at all these comments.
@anasbenhaddou7827
@anasbenhaddou7827 5 месяцев назад
Guys, I become addictive to your videos! ❤❤
@ItsMattA
@ItsMattA 3 года назад
What a great resource, @Sprouts
@annegichohi7210
@annegichohi7210 Год назад
Very well explained. The first two stages are based on pure selfishness and self preservation. Very common even in adults. I think the teacher is duty bound to follow and enforce the rules and regulations. However I just wondered for how long these students had been left alone. The Social contract lady Jessy is very interesting, wonder why she never called attention to Toms behavior the day before when he punched the Grade 1 student?. Does Jessy know that nothing could have been done to Tom? Would she have been required to show evidence, which she may have felt would be too much of a bother? Hallo Law courts? Is this Theory taught in law school and especially to future Judges? For last case, Heinz was justified to break into the Pharmacy, since he felt desperate, had tried to his level best to get the medicine legally and hopefully saved the wife. However whether he will go to jail depends on the stage level of the Judge or members of the Jury. As for the drug store owner, he cannot go to jail for refusing to sell the medicine, since he seems to be in a capitalistic market where profits go as high as one can get away with. Perhaps someone should start a social media campaign which will be directed towards looking at how to reduce cost of life saving medication for the poor members of the society.
@jijov.j1545
@jijov.j1545 4 года назад
Pls ,make a video about "productivity"and how to achieve it
@lovellamykadaus6409
@lovellamykadaus6409 Год назад
the explanation is so helpful.
@dadijae1997
@dadijae1997 2 года назад
Wish my high school had that kind of headmaster.
@death0personified
@death0personified 3 года назад
1: Should he have stolen the drug? I don't believe in existential "should". If he stole the medicine, and felt confident about the outcome he would face regardless of consequence, then I believe his actions would be well justified. 2: What if he didn't love his wife? I don't think that his wife's death by illness would be his fault if he did not steal because he did not love her. If he caused her sickness, then I would feel he is responsible for her death. 3: What if it was a stranger? I don't believe he would be responsible for stealing the drug for a stranger. If he somehow caused the illness in the stranger, then I believe he would be responsible. 4: Should the pharmacist be punished? If it's against the law to price gauge, then he definitely committed that offense. If it isn't against the law in this scenario, then I suppose he shouldn't be punished for it. I do think that price gauging is morally unjust. In my opinion, justification for one's actions is more important than social law on a individual basis. I think that justification is debatable with respect to validity, so some justifications are better than others. I don't think that law is inherently moral. It only represents the social contract. I believe that members of a society, and law makers should make laws based on the valid justifications made in that society. I think justification should be based on evidence of need/importance of the action, and fairness rather than majority rule.
@nitwitt50
@nitwitt50 2 года назад
But the medicine that is being sold, was researched and developed by tax payer money. So, it is like they are selling your bike back to you at 10 times the money. Hmmm
@YasheshTrivedi
@YasheshTrivedi 4 года назад
As I’m subscriber of this channel from a long time and I want to take time to say that Your videos are really helpful and informative. Also want to give some feedback. Talking about the videos. This channel has its own style to storytelling in form of videos. I feel its lacking one very important thing: motion. Or say some animation. Each point in a video is said by conveying through drawing some elements in a slide. It feels very slow and unnatural. Just an opinion. This style definitely works but it lacks some connection. The reason I’m telling is over the time I have seen many similar channels using animation as a tool for videos which makes connection really quickly and also its fun to see. Anyways your videos has helped me a lot. Thank you!
@animethics
@animethics Год назад
Nice one.Ethical development is paramount, especially in today's world where life ethics is dieing. That's why I specialized on ethics on my channel.
@arshiyafathima1660
@arshiyafathima1660 2 года назад
Excellent explaination and accent...perfect
@DVAwarness
@DVAwarness 3 года назад
He should move to Canada and get the medication free.
@balass-2637
@balass-2637 3 года назад
Lol
@user-Dumbunny
@user-Dumbunny 2 года назад
The Heinz Dilemma is an extreme example of today's insulin profiteering in the USA. Getting the drug from Canada is indeed an option a modern-day Heinz should consider. Follow-up questions: At what moral development stage is a pharmaceutical company that jacks up the price for the drug if it were judged by Kohlberg's standards? Can a nation whose most powerful interests are the embodiment of pre-conventional morality effectively serve the interests of the disenfranchised?
@maike2452
@maike2452 4 года назад
I just had an exam on this on Wednesday !
@MR.Slow101
@MR.Slow101 4 года назад
And how was your answer?
@Amabor
@Amabor Год назад
I want to become a teacher, i just discovered this chanel and I'm so glad I did, it's so interesting ! Thank you !
@sprouts
@sprouts Год назад
Join us on patreon.com/sprouts too ;)
@DocRoutes
@DocRoutes 10 месяцев назад
I like to watch contents like this which provoke my thoughts. and more than that after watching the video I go through the comment section to find out how others are thinking and where am I stayin. how far is the gap and how much is the morality and ethical difference between the society and me. But one difference is that I am from South India (kerala), which I consider compared to other states keeps higher standards in morality and ethics. My society is growing except the religious chaos. I always compare myself with my society and the comment section of European society, which is the only way of comparison to other countries possible for me. Well, I find myself getting improvement. Hope one day all these religious chaos will end and we will also rise 😊
@TheRealOtakuEdits
@TheRealOtakuEdits 4 года назад
Don't arrest him but blast that pharmacist on social media. That's one in instance where the cancel culture on Twitter might actually be useful, pressuring him into selling for a lower price.
@willleslie2745
@willleslie2745 3 года назад
The pharmacist has every right to sell it for whatever price they want. They put their heart and soul and years into making the product or pharmacy. Stop being brainwashed by society thinking you deserve it all.
@prayerlifemusic
@prayerlifemusic 3 года назад
will leslie ?!?! Why does the pharmacist “deserve it all”? This is presuming, as do so many, that the man who needs but can’t afford the medication to save his wife doesn’t also work very hard..... typically those with less liquid capital are working the hardest....
@deltaman2004
@deltaman2004 4 года назад
1. The guy stole the drug, would I do the same? Yes, because survival is a basic human instinct. 2. Would I break a law or go out of my way to help others? Even people I don't like? Yes, because for moral justice to exist it must be enforced across all levels of society. So no, it doesn't change the situation even if the thief didn't love his wife but still stole the medicine for her. 3. Same answer as two. Who it is doesn't matter. 4. From a society standpoint, individual rights allow the Pharmacist to make any price. However, this shows that society is wrong because it allows exploitation of those financial suffering. Society's laws are to blame for this and as a result, should make amends by changing the law to prevent further injustices from occurring. The thief should still be punished, however, the severity should be the absolute minimum established by the laws or an alternative punishment should be established. The Pharmacist although a victim of a crime is not morally right, only legally and the thief is morally right but legally wrong.
@ExPwner
@ExPwner 4 года назад
Wrong. It is not exploiting anyone to have private property rights.
@priyankadixit8478
@priyankadixit8478 2 года назад
thanks it helped to understand Kohlberg's Moral Devlopment theory very interestingly 😃
@audieconrad8995
@audieconrad8995 2 года назад
Life's decisions are often difficult and seldom as simple as they may seem. It always brings me to - what if...
@kaijumecha5766
@kaijumecha5766 4 года назад
School needs to teach youth about this
@Bismvth
@Bismvth 4 года назад
I'm here right now for a school project !
@gideoknight9447
@gideoknight9447 2 года назад
Thanks for this content 👍
@LyonPercival
@LyonPercival 2 года назад
Just to let Sprouts know - I appreciate how beautiful the art is :)
@fanyeung93
@fanyeung93 4 года назад
The man should organise a campaign, so others can help.
@design7054
@design7054 2 года назад
This. This is the very point of community, unfortunately mostly absent in the west currently.
@davidgmarkham
@davidgmarkham 4 года назад
Excellent! Succinct, informative, entertaining. I think it is perfectly okay for Heinz to steal the drug. The right to life is more important than the right to property.
@sprouts
@sprouts 4 года назад
Thank you David! Very happy you like the video :)
@SiMeGamer
@SiMeGamer 4 года назад
Not right to life is being violated because there is no active killing taking place. If the right to life is more important then you are saying that you and everybody you know are killers because you don't donate everything you have to saving people all over the world from dying. Just because one didn't provide you with a service and you died because of it, does not make the other person a murderer or make your rights violating action proper. I'm not saying that stealing was immoral in that instance btw. If he values the life of his wife more than his imprisonment then it is necessarily moral for him to steal. He would just have to face the consequences as a member of a rational governmental system. He did violate the rights of the pharmacist after all while the pharmacist just did his job and did not violate the rights of anybody.
@hoominbeeing
@hoominbeeing 4 года назад
Should we enforce a blood tax?
@kuzivaj.z
@kuzivaj.z 4 года назад
@@SiMeGamer 👌👌
@crmsoldier6568
@crmsoldier6568 Год назад
Made to watch in school
@Sliverandzant943
@Sliverandzant943 2 года назад
I remember a variant of the pharmacy in the videogame Okamiden, in which a kid steals medicine to help his mother. The doctor (Bluebeard, if I recall) appears to take the medicine back but after a bit gives it to the kid, saying that if the kid's family is poor, he should have said so first. And the quote "You got a mouth, right? Learn how to use it."
@adropofgoldensun27
@adropofgoldensun27 2 года назад
On the last question: Strange how many are judgmental of the man who stole, to save a life and not of the drug maker who let people die, to make a dollar.
@TigersandBearsOhMy
@TigersandBearsOhMy 2 года назад
That's not what's happening. You're just not understanding the argument. You've not reached Stage 6 of the moral development. You're stuck at either 4 or 5. Try to really read and understand what people are saying and why they are saying it.
@drgonzosfear
@drgonzosfear 2 года назад
It depends on the what the sick wife wants, if she is asking for the drugs then I would exhaust all favors and drug research methods. I would also reach out to the pharmacists family and colleagues for help, if nothing changes then I would confront darkness with darkness knowing that it will provide light later on. I would also ask out loud for the universe to provide my wife with the cure she needs, sometimes the strangest things happen when you speak out loud.
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 2 года назад
How and why you interpret what you think is a reliable answer, "When you ask your self", depends on what you understand holistically. Doing your research helps more than sitting in expectation.., sometimes.
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