Kona Electric motorway madness. 209 mile range 337km! Real world? Not for me.

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Reacting to numerous requests this video shows the range you can expect if you prefer to hammer it down motorways.
Oh and yes the dash footage is awful. Light and reflections ruined the footage. Lesson learned to use different mounting positions or to somehow shield from sunlight.
Shocking as it might seem it's quite simply a good example of how driving style makes a huge difference whilst potentially saving just a few minutes in time, not counting the extra charging time.
I've heard from other Kona drivers getting much better economy on their motorway trips.
As explained I believe I averaged 57mph for the entire trip, including pulling out of the driveway, which shouldn't be confused with the speed I drove at which was only beaten by those daft Audi/Mercedes/BMW drivers... you know the sort.
Personally, if you prefer to drive like this, I'd get a diesel with a big tank and have loads of cash with you to fill up. In an EV it just seems to make more sense to take it easy and save yourself having to charge more.
If this is your preferred driving style, perhaps an EV isn't for you as the Kona tops out at 103mph and you might want a bit more than that for overtaking those German cars.
I wasn't under pressure to fully charge before setting off and had loads left after 113 miles. Not a hint of range thingy..
Anyway , clear, foot down, motorway driving test complete.
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@johnnorth9355 6 лет назад

I try not to drive more than 2 - 2.5 hours without a substantial break so this is a crucial statistic for me - 140 - 160 miles (200 max) at motorway speeds is perfect for holiday motoring in this country. At all other times I would be mainly local or within 100 miles round trip. Reps may still struggle but for the vast majority of us this would be more than adequate. Very informative and many thanks.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Your welcome John. With just a little less assertive overtaking and a few mph less the efficiency would creep up nicely

@montytortorella2832 5 лет назад

had my Kona for 4 months and i still get 430km range in eco drive, real town and highway, very happy

@wobby1516 6 лет назад

I never drive for more than two hours without a break, so even at motorway speeds the range is 👍. I always said if you could get a minimum of 200 miles that’s when I’d buy electric so well pleased with your test.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

It seems it'd have to be blooming cold and in a storm to be worse.... But then you'd be going slower anyway.

@JonathanPorterfield 6 лет назад

Thats amazing range when driven hard, Hyundai have really set the standard now for the mass ev market ! Great video cheers. This week me and james are having a head to head race in 2 30kwh leaf to see how driving styles affects range ! James is #TeamHare I'm #TeamTortoise!

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

What a great idea. I'd love to do something similar but a convoy of varying EVs covering same route, same day same speeds and see how results vary ... Or not by car Also interesting others think this is an awful result. Interpretation varies it seems.

@irishjg1 6 лет назад

Hi Jonathan. If you look at the numbers provided by Nigel the Kona range is normal. Your leafs comsuption rate at the same average speed as Nigel’s might even fare out a tad better. Provided Nissan wake up and add TMS to the 60kw leaf2plus there’s nothing to separate these cars.

@Kiltoonie 6 лет назад

The EV Puzzle I'm thinking of an EV 500 endurance rally next summer: Dundee to Brighton, any route, with at least 2 cars of each class taking part, to give a better feel for the effect of driving style and the real-life range of the different cars. I would hope that Jonathan and some of the other EV-heads will be up for this. Maybe we need to form a Facebook group specifically for planning purposes? Not that a huge amount of planning is required, but a few ground rules would be handy.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Nice idea

@Kiltoonie 6 лет назад

The EV Puzzle We've just bought a Kona 64 kWh: and noticed that it weights about 350 kg less than a 40 kWh Leaf. And of course, the Jaguar I-Pace is heavier again. So head to head, the Kona should probably do pretty well for efficiency, despite the rather high SUV profile.

@ateeqn1985 6 лет назад

Very useful video Nigel. This is much more useful range test than a marothon of laps around a flat race track (no names!) I have a regular 190mi round trip, which should be perfect even without charging!

@markjennings2315 6 лет назад

I did a 2600km round trip. On the motorway sections I drove at 110kph and on those occasions the power consumption was 17.9Kwh/100km

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Not seen anyone get worse than myself so far.

@ekhaat 5 лет назад

The range drop at speed might be shocking, but actually it is a manifestation of efficiency. Almost all energy goes into pushing air out of the way, not much is wasted on other things, while in an ICE car, the energy waste is so great that pushing air away is only a small factor in the overall consumption. Thank you for a great video. Cheers

@alanvanallen7762 6 лет назад

Thanks Nigel,as always,speed,using available performance (rapid acceleration) and driving style will always be the governing criteria to attaining economical performance.This test has shown some realworld figuresif the available performance is used fully

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Thanks Alan, it's harder doing these faster tests as the detail of exactly how assertive and how fast is impossible to rely without a 2 hours long video

@possi2131 6 лет назад

I have a 194 km daily trip (97 one way). Going 140 km/h (130 on gps) works fine. I charge at home, always end up with 50-60% used.

@eduardpertinez4767 6 лет назад

Thank you! That is a very useful information. I guess even when you go 140 km/h whenever you can, a big chunck of the time there is traffic or turns that does not let you hold that speed, so what we understand as going at 140 km/h on a motorway is never that except if you drive at 3AM with no traffic.

@possi2131 6 лет назад

Eduard Pertíñez My average speed on the motorway while always TRYING to drive 140 where allowed (mostly 130/ 120/ 100 here) is maybe 95-100 km/h. Most often 80-90 km/h. It's frustrating, so many people when entering the motorway try to go to the left lane (why??). Oh well, for the usage of an EV it's not too bad. Constantly 140 km/h drains the battery quickly.

@johnkeepin7527 6 лет назад

What a surprise. On journeys like that the dominant factors are it's aerodynamic drag and the tyre's rolling resistance. Not a lot to gain via regenerative braking. No doubt its a lot better in urban conditions with a lot of stop/start moves.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Very much so. Whereas my old diesel would suffer at high speeds too for the same reasons but wasn't good in the city either. I just managed 6.1 ml/kWh on a 16mile trip into the City!

@davidarf 6 лет назад

Thankyou for posting your results of this faster run in the Kona. You mentioned the comfort in the film and I would have to agree having just completed two journeys of 270 miles non-stop, arriving feeling absolutely fine. Full marks to Hyundai for the seating. I chose to aim for completing the journeys without recharging, mostly on motorways and dual carriageways and managed with less than 20 miles to spare on the first leg in temperatures of about 9 degrees and 37 miles spare on the return a few days later in a temperature of 16 degrees. The fastest I went was 68MPH and most of the route I cruised at around 62MPH. Had I run at 70MPH where permitted, I estimate that I would have taken 20 to 30 minutes off the journey time, but would have had to stop to recharge which would have wiped this out.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Exactly, it's counter productive to go too fast. I just hope my honesty doesnt put people off as it's unrealistic to get such poor range in normal conditions

@stonesie81 6 лет назад

This looks perfect, for my intended use anyway. Daily commute is 15 miles round trip so even an early Zoe would do a week with no problem, but taking family to the coast in winter is a 190 mile round trip in the cold/wet/dark so it looks like a Kona would handle that on a single charge. The charger where I will be going is a 7Kw and usually broken and a poor show for a tourist dependant seaside town, for now my 2.2 diesel Civic will do, but it was beaten off the lights yesterday by a red Kona electric, they're pretty quick!

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Very quick. The 0 to 60 time doesn't do it justice

@scottstephenson9312 6 лет назад

Where I live (rural USA East coast), I have to take an interstate highway to go anywhere. And on US interstates, if you're doing 60 mph in traffic, you're getting serious road rage from followers stuck behind you. Typical highway speed here is more like 65 to 75 mph, and you'll hold that for hours on end (well, until recharge is needed). I'm guessing my real world range at 75 mph in the winter (32F, 0C) might be 175-200 miles? Still acceptable for an electric second car - especially a taller CUV platform. But now I know not to plan on 75 mph interstate highway trips with 250 miles range. Thanks for the videos! They're like candy to those of us waiting for our Kona electrics in the USA. They're now officially saying "early 2019".

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Cheers Scott. My gut feeling is it's not just the speed but the accelerating. Constant speed would see better results. Others I've talked to about their motorway trips have found 4miles per kWh easy to obtain. I was pushing it somewhat for a worst case

@enyaq_gorm 6 лет назад

@@EVPuzzle same as an ice car, it's the acceleration that kills economy. My leaf cruising at 70mph gave me 4 miles per kW at the weekend. Same last night on a 70 mile round trip on the M8, 49% of the battery used

@raptorpome2577 6 лет назад

@@enyaq_gorm 49% of what size kwh battery

@0ooTheMAXXoo0 5 лет назад

Estimated range in the USA seems to indicate range at around 70mph. Model 3 LR gets almost 500 mile range at 48mph for example. Using the heater uses quite a lot of energy. Some people's range gets cut in half when it is very cold.

@SportSoulLife 5 лет назад

0ooTheMAXXoo0 When it comes to the heater though the Kona is said to be more efficient than other EVs in that department. It apparently uses more wase heat from electrical components, uses the battery coolants waste heat (why other EVs wouldnt do this is beyond me, its been a thing ever since watercooled ICE), and the kona apparently doesnt change the air as much, so more of the warm air in the car cycles around back to the climate control vents instead of being pushed out of the car, reducing the amount of cold outside air to be heated up. Wonder if this means that if someone passes gas, it will take ages for the smell to exit the cabin.

@charlesholland-keen2222 6 лет назад

I think that proves the range is mainly dependent on the drivers right foot. Traffic light gran prix might be fun but also kill economy/range.

@Goodchappy 6 лет назад

Informative video as I have come to expect. You boy racer you! Obviously driving like that not only uses more power but you probably weren't using the regenerative braking much, so 200 odd miles is pretty impressive. Was your wife a nervous wreck or is she a bit of a girl racer at heart?

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Boy race?. In my day ....racing around the beach roads and Yarmouth front but no more. Actually Mrs W is a bit quicker than me these days

@ruirodtube 6 лет назад

The Kona EV is very efficient. It does however suffer from being an SUV when it comes to highway speeds. Not ideal for me because I drive mostly on highways at speeds between 125km/h and 135km/h where consumption seems to go up quite a bit.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

From what I can see it's better than some and no worse than others. An Ioniq would make a great motorway cruiser just needs a bigger battery

@ianrobins5501 6 лет назад

Hi Nigel thanks for all your vids. Have you come across the Ioniq with the Kona motor and battery pack that Hyundai did as a race car, if only it was for the public, may be in time they may release it fingers crossed

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Ian, I'm hearing rumours there might be an N version being considered for the Ioniq. Getting the motor in was the easy bit I'd guess. The latest coupe N is just one of a few N models to come. Even Kona might get the treatment.

@wobby1516 6 лет назад

It’s true that an SUV is more like a brick etc! however the advantages far out-way the lack of slip. At 71 getting in and out plus the better view out is what counts for me.

@therandomtester9561 6 лет назад

Expect around 13% increase every 10km/h you raise the speed. So raising from 90 to 120 km/h will increase the consumption by around 44%. You'll just have to wait and hope they fit the 64kWh battery in the Ioniq :)

@irishjg1 6 лет назад

Many thanks for the upload Nigel. Crunching the numbers you have provided on the video we can now calculate the real world range at 120kmh motorway speed to be circa 225km or 140 miles.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

That sounds wrong to me. Im unable to report specifically on speeds but let's say my test was appropriate and sufficiently rapid

@DavidDrivesElectric 6 лет назад

Ideal drive speed depends on the speed of the charger. If the charger adds say 60 miles of real range to the car in one hour, then your ideal driving speed is just around that. Of course, when you drive home you can go as fast as you can as long as don't run out of battery. Charge time at your destination doesn't count. That's the cool thing about the Tesla Superchargers. They charge so fast that you can go as fast as you want. Their charge speed is always way beyond 100 mph.

@Aerostealth 6 лет назад

Not using cruise control is very bad. In cold weather the air density is higher resulting in more drag on top of that caused by driving faster, and the battery GOM is not a linear feedback.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

I agree

@simonlloyd100 6 лет назад

Invariably I hammer it when returning home as I know how far I have to go and an certain that I can charge...am more cautious on outward journeys, always aware that any number of chargers may be iced, out of commission, or simply occupied by another charging EV...last week charged successfully at Solstice Park ( A 303 ) and it was free when I arrived but only ONE car can charge at the same time..and that is a major service area.....a hopelessly inadequate provision!

@TheOnlyJizz 6 лет назад

To be honest I think you made a good point in your opening statement. EVs are no different to any other car, drive them economically to get the best range, or not if that isn't important to you. I covered 400 miles in my Renault Zoe today, for the vast majority of them I coaxed the car along to extend the range, once I was on the home straight, I "made progress". It is interesting to see that actually the Kona isn't massively more effecient than a Zoe, it simply has a bigger battery. Having driven an Ioniq for 24hrs, and been hugely impressed by its use of electrons I'd be very interested to see what that was capable of with the larger pack, I suspect it would be quite slot more.

@spodzone 6 лет назад

Kaleidoscope_Retro Yes, 3.4mi/kWh is about what I'd expect off a Leaf 40 at 10C outside with the heater/aircon set to "just keep it at 17.5C" - the heater alone costs 11mi out of the 160mi range. Not significantly different in terms of efficiency, just bigger battery as you say.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

It's bigger, heavier and 200bhp so does very well. Further tests will clarify

@therandomtester9561 6 лет назад

On the old Leaf we found around 13% increase of consumption every 10 km/h you raise the speed from around 50km/h and up. If you do the math in some of Tesla-Bjørns videos with other cars, that 13% is really not far off. So for instance 60km/h vs 90km/h (about 35 vs 55 mph), or 90 vs 120km/h (55 vs 75mph) you'd consume roughly 1x1,13^3=1,44 -> 44% more! In addition, it seemed like you had to vary your speed because of other drivers. If you have to do that a lot I think you quickly see 10% increase because of that. And lower temperatures adds to the consumption as well, both in increased windresistance and the use of heater. If I remember correctly, in your drivemode-test you did around 50mph, and now about 70mph and had around 50% higher consumption this time. So the 13% seems to be pretty spot on for the Kona as well ;)

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

I'll take your word on the math. Speed was higher in this test though but not continuously as you've said. I feel the Kona does exactly what you'd expect. There is no magic formula to get amazing efficiency at speed. How does the math work to get to Bjorn's track test at 20mph achieving 500 mile range at 7.9ml/kWh?

@marcsimmonds5483 6 лет назад

50mph is about 80km/h, 20mph is about 30km/h. Divide 1 by 1.13^5 and you get a factor of 1.84 to translate your range test to Bjorn's. So if your test returned a 480km result his should get 883km (548 miles).

@therandomtester9561 6 лет назад

The EV Puzzle I believe the magic formula for amazing efficiency at speed is Ioniq and steady speed ;) Sure, it's really easy, multiply consumption with 1.13 for every 10km/h increased speed, and devide by 1.13 to get the range. Of course, as you know, you can't compare one test to another "apple for apple" as there are many variables. Higher/lower temp, AC/heater will quickly throw it of many %. Also I don't know if the increase is (fairly) linear from that low speed, but it should be from around 50 km/h. And, of course, the 13% is the closest we got on open road, it might be 12% or 14%, but the difference with speed seems to be very linear, and very close to 13% per 10km/h. Anyway, we'll see how the tests compare. I had to revisit his test, it was 40-44 km/h and 7.8kwh/100km, total driven distance 830km. That's 25-27.5 mph and 8 mi/kWh. He also drove 510 km in 90 km/h, and had 190 wh/km in 120 km/h. So the numbers should be something like this: 40-44 km/h: 830 km, 7.80 kwh/100km, 8.00 mi/kwh 50-54 km/h: 734 km, 8.82 kwh/100km, 7.08 mi/kwh 60-64 km/h: 650 km, 9.97 kwh/100km, 6.27 mi/kwh 70-74 km/h: 575 km, 11.20 kwh/100km, 5.54 mi/kwh 80-84 km/h: 509 km, 12.65 kwh/100km, 4.91 mi/kwh 90-94 km/h: 450 km, 14.30 kwh/100km, 4.34 mi/kwh 100-104 km/h: 398 km, 16.16 kwh/100km, 3.84 mi/kwh 110-114 km/h: 353 km, 18.26 kwh/100km, 3.40 mi/kwh 120-124 km/h: 312 km, 20.63 kwh/100km, 3.01 mi/kwh 130-134 km/h: 276 km, 23.31 kwh/100km, 2.66 mi/kwh

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Thanks

@paulcullen6320 6 лет назад

Do the door mirrors fold automatically. Thanks

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Yes on locking and yes there's a manual button too

@paulcullen6320 6 лет назад

The EV Puzzle Thank you

@Walterp60 5 лет назад

When I get my Model 3 I intend to do 70mph on motorway. Because it will seem so much cheaper anyway.

@kikibortok 6 лет назад

Does this car range determined by driving styles?Taking previous trips average energies consumption to determine the actual range of the car?When you reset that feature the range displayed is often more optimistic then the real range,but once the system have previous data to use then the its has a tendency to be more pessimistic in show less range then you can actually do.That can explain the difference between your potential range displayed and your real range. But highways drains batteries much quicker then cities streets. The Kona is impressive.I can't wait to try one.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

The GOM displays estimated range based on your recent driving efficiency. The algorithm is not known publicly. As your SOC reduces the GOM must use even more recent driving data otherwise it would risk you running out

@kikibortok 6 лет назад

@@EVPuzzle Cool ty

@0ooTheMAXXoo0 5 лет назад

He mentions in the video that the GOM is used to his more economical driving style and that the GOM will slowly adjust to the new driving style.

@Kiltoonie 6 лет назад

Pretty similar to Leaf 30, then, in efficiency at faster speeds. I mean I can get 100 motorway miles out of my Leaf 30, so I wouldn't seriously expect to get much more than 200 miles out of a Kona 60 .

@kliment75 4 года назад

Interesting. I have 2016 leaf 30kw 12 bars. Not sure how you drive it, but i get around 80 miles at 70 to 75mph

@topherut 5 лет назад

Excellent, thanks. What about comparing smart recuperation wit cruise? Would cruise be as efficient?

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

Not on twisty roads thanks. SCC isn't that smart unless there's a car in front

@topherut 5 лет назад

So does SCC not use the smart recuperation facility?

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

Yes

@bluegtturbo 5 лет назад

I'm going to wait for the next generation Kona, because if this one can do over 200 miles on a full charge in real world driving, I'm guessing the next gen will do at least 300. Then I'll have the car I need!

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

Next gen Kona will have the same range. This was worst case. 300 miles is more than possible as you'll see in more recent videos from myself

@bluegtturbo 5 лет назад

@@EVPuzzle I meant more from the point of view of rapidly improving battery technology. I've watched various range tests of the Kona and none of them managed more than 250 miles in 'real world' driving (mix of motorway at 70mph plus town driving). I'd want something that can comfortably do 300 miles in all weathers, including the depths of winter. I'm still very impressed with a 250 mile range though!

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

Everyone's needs are different but I can assure you, once you've owned an EV you'll wonder why you waited so long.

@ianjames3078 2 года назад

Hope you’re not still waiting?

@tonyp741 5 лет назад

Thanks for the range test. I am considering a Kona 64kWh and the critical point for me is it can do over 200 miles from full to empty at 70mph (which I know averages less in the real world). So yes it can which is great. You sound like trying to drive to the national speed limit of 70mph is a bad thing. In order for EVs to go mainstream they have to compete. I think it does based on your results. I have a semi regular trip from the midlands to Norwich to pick up and drop off the Daughter for Uni so that 180 mile each way journey takes 4 hours each way depending on traffic. Looks like the Kona is perfect for me. PS, I currently have a Golf 1.6TDI so I have a diesel with a 650 mile range at 70mph! I love and hate it for obvious reasons! Thank you.

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

When you can do that trip for a fraction of the diesel cost or free even it'll bring a smile. There's a new rapid charger at the UEA btw. Yes I dislike driving at 70mph as life for me isn't about getting somewhere quicker. I'm not in a hurry any more

@HenriZwols 5 лет назад

You present it as a style of driving, I think it's more of what happens to be your use case. My daily commute is 2x63km. I live close by the access to the motorway (about 3 km), my work is close to the motorway access (about a kilometre and a half). Motorway speed is 100km/h for about a quarter of the trip, 130km/h for the rest. Now I could drive slower than traffic, but not much slower, that would be unsafe.

@petecoventry6858 3 года назад

I hope the Kona is like the Zoe - get it to 4+ and it would do that no matter what Speed I did lol

@EVPuzzle 3 года назад

Should be 5+ if you don't floor it

@michaelkitchen5719 6 лет назад

I note that you mentioned turning the heater off as the temperature rose, but do you use air-conditioning? I always have that switched on and adjust the temperature and fan speed to suit. Clear windscreens in winter and cool the car down when the sun comes out - even at this time of year.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

We rarely use the AC. Susan doesn't like the drier air

@irishjg1 6 лет назад

Sorry Nigel. You were correct, I was a bit too heavy on the calculator's buttons earlier. 120kmh range would be 160 miles not 140. So looking at approx 260km.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

I'll leave everyone to interpret to their own driving needs. What impressed me was how it just ate the miles up in comfort and with more enjoyment than an ICE car

@RichardOzanne 5 лет назад

Nigel, a bit off topic, but when you slow down on max (or otherwise) regen, do the brake lights come on? PS did you used to work for British Steel (or did Mr XTC get it wrong) ? :D

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

British steel lol, nice one. Yes brake lights come on when Regen active. How gentle Regen triggers the lights, I've yet to discover

@RichardOzanne 5 лет назад

Thanks.

@canadianteslamartin9221 6 лет назад

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!! Well, not really. Driving style, temp, wheel size etc really do play a role in the range. EV owners soon learn that if you drive it hard, you will have to charge it more often.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Exactly, some think because I or anyone else manages a 300 mile range it will do it all the time. It's nice to show the truth under varying conditions

@rtrydriven 6 лет назад

I personally drive this vehicle. Both short range and long range and fet at least 300 miles maybe 250-260 when driving hars up and down the 330 and 38 in big bear California. Maybe also with your passenger and camera equipment? P.s. I test drive professionally for a living.

@dickmartino9933 6 лет назад

Thanks. No doubt just the fact it is an EV encourages people to drive more efficiently.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

I think so yes, it seems more natural to be efficient

@ivanstanchev81 5 лет назад

It's realy strange how you change your driving when you drive EV if someone else says to me that i will change like that i would never believed him

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

So true, it changes you

@alexandreesquenet3736 6 лет назад

mmm 19 KWh/100 Km, interesting, thanks for the test.

@eduardpertinez4767 6 лет назад

Thank you very much for your videos! I have a new test for you. I sent you a direct message to explain a little bit but the idea is to go uphill and then downhill. I guess there is a way to do it fast without consuming too much, as long as you make sure not to use brakes but regeneration all the time.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

I think I understand but sadly regen down doesn't give sufficient to offset the power to go uphill. There's lots of theories as to what is best. In theory it's accelerate downhill using momentum to your advantage and coast uphill reducing speed. Regen downhill reduces momentum and results in more power to get back up. Creating a test route with enough ups and downs to repeatedly test isn't easy. I've had another recommendation to test pulse and coast versus pulse and regen but again not easy to test on public roads

@davidarf 6 лет назад

The Kona displays the range being added when using regen on downhill or slowing for a junction etc. The addition is a nice bonus, but cannot compensate for the power needed to climb hills. I have seen comments suggesting that regen into a battery is less than 20% efficient. Some experiments have been done using super capacitors to store regen energy as these are much more efficient than batteries, but I think it will be a while before this technology appears in mainstream cars.

@eduardpertinez4767 6 лет назад

davidarf Audi E-Tron anouncement said (If I am not mistaken) that they managed to store 90% of all cinetic energy. That is (i guess) because as ability to fast charge increases, it increases also regeneration habilities, as soon as both use massive parallel charging. So, if I am not mistaken, even when in the near past 20% regen was a valid figure, with 80kwh fast charging in Kona, regen ability must be much higher now. Yet again I am just guessing.

@eduardpertinez4767 6 лет назад

The EV Puzzle When you go uphill with an ICE and wanna go fast you go out of a turn as fast as you can and brake as late as you can also. The consumption will be someway proportional to the acceleration you do going out from the turns. You cannot leave the turns too fast if you don't want the consumption to skyrocket (and reduce engine lifespan). What I am guessing is that EV's are quite different in this scenario. You may loose some time entering the turns if you wanna use regen instead of brakes, but then you can go out of the next turn much faster than with an ICE both because you don't harm the electrical engine too much and because some of the energy you'll spend will be saved back while entering the next turn. I am talking about really twisted uphill roads. And again, once you are uphill, you still can gain some energy back when going down. With all that said, I guess that going uphill and then downhill with an ICE car can spend twice or three times the normal amount of fuel, while with EV's that is maybe only 30% or 50% increase even taking similar times. That was the idea.

@Kiltoonie 6 лет назад

I did measure this effect on a trip from Aviemore to the Cairngorm ski centre, which is one of the highest car parks in the UK. The 30 kwh Leaf actually got a lot of regen coming back down.

@symmetry08 5 лет назад

Usually electric car is for family's second transportation equipment

@EVPuzzle 5 лет назад

Older EVs with shorter range maybe. Kona is fine as main car for many

@MrTipperX Год назад

Turn off auto récupération on motorways and over 100kph. It just kills momentum and results in poorer efficiency.

@simonlloyd100 6 лет назад

what are you paying for your home charging?...I am on outthefox the market paying 6.74p per kw for off peak

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

12.5p , not Eco7. I don't like the idea of really high daytime rates so not changing right now. I get to charge any time of day. Might try octopus next if I can get enough signal for their rate updates . Haven't heard of outthefox. What's your peak rates like?

@mallikanth1689 6 лет назад

I've signed up to Octopus already, in time my Kona (due in February!!)

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Stephen, how does the phone signal requirement work?

@simonlloyd100 6 лет назад

14.41p

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

That's awesome

@marktiller1383 6 лет назад

An SUVs shape is like mr. Blobby on wheels, it's not going to be efficient at speed

@0ooTheMAXXoo0 5 лет назад

It is about as efficient as the Tesla Model 3...

@birdingbilly 6 лет назад

Was maybe thinking about one of these - but not now. Driving at 70mph is hardly "thrashing" it and now we know the real range for long journeys is not much more than 200 miles and that's on the level and only with the heater on part time. Very disappointing.

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Billy, if you think I poodled along you're wrong hence the result

@birdingbilly 6 лет назад

I thought you said the average was 56ish and 70ish on the dual carriageway ?

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Like I said average included everything it's not the average speed on the motorway.

@birdingbilly 6 лет назад

OK - let me ask you this - my wife regularly has to do a 240 mile journey late at night (so she does not want to stop) more than 200 miles is on the motorway which she drives at 70mph, the rest is quite hilly single carriageway, I had thought that with a 300 mile range the Kona could do this. Best guess do you think the Kona could do it, ? dont worry I wont hold you to it !

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Yes is the simple answer. But as I've tried to say and demonstrate , driving style makes a huge difference. I've demonstrated 300+ mile range and now more like 210 mile range as worst case. Normal will be in the middle which appears to agree with others findings BUT in worse conditions it'd be pushing it so range anxiety might result without slowing down somewhat

@peteroberts7637 6 лет назад

I am thinking of buying an EV but when i read the comments below i realize that EVs are not as flexible as a IC car, i would not be able to drive to Manchester from London and back at 70 to 80 mph in a working day think EVs are just a good local runabout, sorry Guys

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

You'd charge in between, ideally whilst parked and android be honest a short break on a 200 mile trip wouldn't hurt. The EV will not do what a diesel does. 500 to 800 miles on a tank, not yet

@peteroberts7637 6 лет назад

Hi its the time factor that worries me spending 2 to 3 hours charging is time not spent at home in the evening BMW are testing a new type of battery that has twice the capacity of a lithium iron and half the weight when they are freely available i will then re consider a EV

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

Pete, I'd expect a 40-50minute rapid charge or a couple of shorter ones. It only takes hours on slower chargers

@peteroberts7637 6 лет назад

thanks for your replies but i think EVs have not yet come of age lets see what technological brings

@EVPuzzle 6 лет назад

You're welcome. I'm a convert but only because my 200 mile round trip can be easily accommodated now. It definitely gets harder at 300 or 400 mile trips. I prefer to avoid charging also.

@bbbf09 6 лет назад

I'm not impressed by that . Going at (or marginally over) motorway speeds is not what I call pushing it or driving 'enthusiastically'. More like the typical most cautious people do on the motorway. Interestingly, whereas my BMW i3 gets about 100mile range when I drive at typical 80+mph on its 28kWh battery - this suggests that is noticeably more efficient even at >80mph than the Kona cruising at your conservatively safe motorway speed of 70mph. i.e. If I had 64kWh to play with I should get (64/28)*100 = 228mile. Recent reports that Lion smart have shoehorned a 100kWhr battery into an i3 gives me hope that it will be offered as an upgrade. BMW could potentially leapfrog all competition and be first to be able to offer a genuine range beating 435mile. insideevs.com/bmw-i3-435-miles-per-charge/

@ianjames3078 2 года назад

You still waiting for that pipe dream?

@bbbf09 2 года назад

@@ianjames3078 No - like I said ...very happy with my i3. Also got a Tesla model 3 as 2nd family car. Drove a 1000mile road trip round Scotland earlier in summer. No worries..No issues.