KOREAN 1800W Amp for $129? Precision Power ATOM A1800.1D Amp Dyno Test and Review

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@wal 3 месяца назад

Precision Power ATOM A1800.1D Amplifier: amzn.to/3vJEdFS Precision Power PowerClass PC1000D: amzn.to/3U808jp Other Epsilon Products on Amazon: amzn.to/3xrj8R0 *Shop for Related Amps* Down4Sound JP23 v1.5 - lddy.no/1hx46 Stinger Audio MT2000.1 - amzn.to/4865i4n Double Rock DR-2000.1 - amzn.to/3LFniJp Video Playlist of AMP DYNO Tests: ru-vid.com/group/PLu98-M_EowHNFFCY2OIu3J1R5AoPDSIIB *SHOP AFFILIATES* SAVARD Speaker Systems (use Code WAL7 for 7% off): lddy.no/1i9ss Down4Sound - Shop4Bass.com WCCarAudio - is.gd/wccwal Amazon - amzn.to/3wNX6Fn Crutchfield - howl.me/cjZI33auToW Get your WAL/OSS Merch: bigdwiz.creator-spring.com/ Buy Me a Coffee/Tea/Slap-a-D-No : www.oldschoolstereo.com/p/donate.html Support OSS / Williston Audio Labs for early access to videos: www.patreon.com/OldSchoolStereo One Time "Tip" for Video Support: paypal.me/BigDWiz _DISCLAIMER: This video and description contains affiliate links, which means that if you purchase from one of the product links, I may receive a small commission. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases_

@yourpcmd 3 месяца назад

I remember when Precision Power used to be a quality product back in the day. The PPI series and Art series where fantastic.

@chuckholmes2075 3 месяца назад

UMM when was this? as long as I can remember (the 80's) they were always a JOKE

@JasonWW2000 3 месяца назад

@@chuckholmes2075 All through the 90s.

@Houndzee 3 месяца назад

@@chuckholmes2075Late 90’s art series.

@chuckholmes2075 3 месяца назад

@@Houndzee nope STILL trash!!! THEY GAVE EM AWAY AT Crank it Up contests for a reason! i was always with Alpine, Fosgate, MTX... none of that "broke person" audio shit. I've placed in IASCA nationals so many times buddy. I've been in the game since the 80's. one thing about audio competition. it costs a lot and if you're broke and buy stupid junk you'll always BE OUTSIDE

@krispycreme8059 3 месяца назад

@@chuckholmes2075your a sheep

@yarrdayarrdayarrda 3 месяца назад

I remember lusting after the Precision Power amplifiers back in the early 1990's, but they were way beyond what I could afford.

@willfixthingsfordonuts 3 месяца назад

Those were serious audiophile amps back in the day, now just a sold name.

@koprcord5338 3 месяца назад

Yes still have my ppi 2150am from 1992 that was just fully restored. Now to find a use for it.

@24-7flounderproblem 3 месяца назад

I had a couple of the ART series and they were phenomenal I miss those amps more than any amp I've ever owned..pure sonic bliss.💪✌️♥️

@Cookie-Dough-Dynamo 3 месяца назад

I felt the same way until I found this channel. Now I see that the "expensive" amps actually did rated power or more. The amps I could afford were, um... Dick Riculous.

@thewhitefamily5515 3 месяца назад

I totally agree rhe old school ppi art series were the best sounding power out there. Maybe McIntosh and Phoenix gold could compete back then but those were some clean awesome sounding amps. I had the pro Mos 450 "GOD" amp. That amp was a legend and I still wish I had it. I would for sure use it. The sound quality from that amp was unbelievable. I just wonder how they were able to get such a crisp clean sound back then.

@Skarfar90 3 месяца назад

Had Precision Power (or Epsilon for that matter) rated this amp honestly, and sold it as a 1200 watt unit (400, 800 and 1200 watts into 4, 2 and 1 ohms respectibly), it would have been a real budget gem. Also, being strappable, combining two for a total output of at least 2500 watts at a little under $260 is a good deal in my books. By the way Derek. I saw a Boss amp with honest ratings in the manual. Pretty sure it was the newer Onyx series. Despite having the big MAX number plastered all over the box, the manual it came with had actual honest ratings in it. Never thought I'd see the day

@angryace4017 3 месяца назад

You are 100% correct about that. 800w RMS @2 ohms for 129 bucks would be a perfect for a lot of people.

@thegoatcatcher 3 месяца назад

Precision Power was huge back in the late 80s/early 90s. Loved their stuff. They should have marketed this amp as a 1,200 watt amp (under advertise). Advertise less but over delivered.

@jeanious2009 3 месяца назад

I bought one about 6 months ago and let my teenage son use it in his vehicle with two 10’s at 1ohm. He’s getting a good 1k watts out of it, no issues. Can’t complain at 130.00 for 1.2kwatts, only time will tell how long it will actually survive a teenager abusing the shit out of it😂

@cunninglycalculated4583 3 месяца назад

thats awesome, and if you ever think of upgrading you could just strap another one on there

@brentolbrych230 3 месяца назад

1,300 RMS at 1 ohm for $130 is still a great deal. If it was honestly marketed as a 1,200 nobody would complain

@gregphillips.1312 3 месяца назад

All of your videos are great knowledge, even when the manufacturers are outright lying to us, these videos help people to know what they couple up with this Old School Car Hifi!

@markfrank5937 3 месяца назад

My respect level for this channel, I always hit 👍 before I even watch. I know I'm getting what I came for, with a lot of entertainment. 👍✊

@dslifestuff9331 3 месяца назад

The internals looked really nice & the power/cost ratio is decent,, but yeah they really need to stop advertising power that your not getting 🫤

@wal 3 месяца назад

I agree completely!

@volvo09 3 месяца назад

It's a pretty cool looking amp too.

@chaosflower4892 3 месяца назад

Nice to see Samwha caps inside.. if I can't have a Jap cap I'm more than happy with a South Korean Samwha.. I have 25 year old Samwha's still in spec.

@chaosflower4892 3 месяца назад

Nice to see Samwha caps inside.. if I can't have a Japanese cap I'm more than happy with a South Korean Samwha.. I have 25 year old items with Samwha caps still in spec.. I'm a bit iffy about the other caps though.

@Blake-fz7ed 3 месяца назад

I had one of these, gave it to a friend

@rustybrown9829 3 месяца назад

Had one in the 90's it was awesome. I would still use this style. And thanks to you I know true watts to plan for . 👍

@doctormidnight 3 месяца назад

Man I had a pair of PPI flat piston 12s back in the late 90s and they were just amazing.

@michaelhollon5332 3 месяца назад

The guy at my local circuit city had 2 15s in an extended cab S-10 with an early model majestic. They were stupid loud.

@robsolf 3 месяца назад

Soundstream and PP were BEASTS back in the day. Always put out more than advertised. My guess is this parent company bought them up and retooled them for "me too" products. Sad, but hey, 500-1500 watts for $130 is as good a deal as any.

@JasonWW2000 3 месяца назад

They bought the name. They didn't buy the company because the company went out of business.

@drozcompany4132 3 месяца назад

PPI amps never put out more than advertised. This is a fantasy invented by the fan boys. Every PPI amp I tested even back in the early 90s did their rated power or just a hair under.

@thewhitefamily5515 3 месяца назад

@drozcompany4132 but they were crystal clear without major fluctuations in wattage output (however they accomplished that one) we always thought that's how they were able to sound so much clearer n crisper than other amps. When having a meter on them they were always more stable without major spikes between notes

@iLhize 3 месяца назад

Ive been running this amp on my American Bass Elite 15 for the past 8 months and it hits hard for the price its unbeatable power

@TioDave 2 месяца назад

I've been running precision power atom series on my system for over six years. Starting with the last version of the atom amps and now the new model. I'm running the 5 channel to polk MM 6.5" and a DD1806. I needed something water resistant and compact to fit my build. It's on a pedicab without suspension, being rattled to hell. It's been working great.

@c0uchsl0uch 3 месяца назад

Precision power made good amps around 1988, didn't they make a Art series?

@rexxx927 3 месяца назад

PPI did make the art series

@bobdodge3171 3 месяца назад

They did! But I could only afford the basic black amps

@michaelogg1254 3 месяца назад

Finally you reviewed the amp I recommended it’s only been over a year lol good job bud D

@girthquake9655 3 месяца назад

I really really like it for the price! Amazing review!

@CrazyWillification 3 месяца назад

Hey Derek. Long time viewer. I would love to see other car audio equipment tested and explained how to properly use them. Such as head units and DSP's. Maybe even EQ's. Maybe also look at budget box options. I remember PPI from the late 90s. They were really amazing. I heard them on my first real system of 2x12w6's (V1) in a Pontiac GA!

@ponchis1966 3 месяца назад

I remember Precision Power amps and MB Quart speakers combination was all the rage in the early 90’s

@beaurosenbaum9987 3 месяца назад

Looks just like the BMAF 5500.1. And puts out about the same power too!

@trucavalier 3 месяца назад

For the numbers vs price it’s 100% worth it if you only have $129 😅.

@wal 3 месяца назад

I whole heartedly agree

@allenscott5773 3 месяца назад

Lol..beginners amp

@drrckhamilton 3 месяца назад

@allenscott5773 There is one in EVERY comment section lol!!!

@allenscott5773 3 месяца назад

@@drrckhamilton lol..damn rite

@BDauto86 3 месяца назад

It absolutely is, especially if your gonna run at .5ohm or strap it with another.

@hoosierbasshead 3 месяца назад

@Williston Audio Labs. Any plans of testing the new F series amps from soundqubed? I've love to see a test on the F4-4400 in particular. Big power claims from such a small footprint. Great video as always.

@ERawk64 3 месяца назад

The looks of the Ion series brings me back. You should test those next.

@coolbrezze67 3 месяца назад

Good one! Great video

@1LoudCRX 3 месяца назад

Just installed one of these 5 channel version in one of my overland builds last week. Wasnt bad for the price. But wasnt great.

@foreverendeavors6210 3 месяца назад

I've gotta say, even though it fell short I could maybe get this one. It had some headroom with the lower ohm loads.

@donjaun540 3 месяца назад

Good looking amplifier inside and out. I am surprised it is not hitting it's mark.

@poopool_Q 3 месяца назад

I feel like this could still make your budget gem video later in the year. Seems not bad at all other than the rating

@mikeoxlong91111 3 месяца назад

I have a PPI amp from the early 2010s that I absolutely love. It sucks that Precision Power has fallen so far.

@scofab 3 месяца назад

Well... Bump/dollah ratio is not bad... not for me but it'd be a good first bet for a newbie on a budget IMO. Thanks as always.

@marcovaldovinos5009 3 месяца назад

Great video this amp has good power for the price.

@wal 3 месяца назад

Thanks for watching and commenting!

@TheGodofSEO 3 месяца назад

I’m glad consumers have a ton of choices now in the sub-$150 amp space. Unfortunately, many of the competitors have a ton more headroom in that same exact price range. These amps cost a little under $24 to make overseas, so it’s great price for the consumer and great profit for the factory.

@robsorgdrager8477 3 месяца назад

That's a shame, ppi used to be that high end dealer back in the day.

@bartowflorida 3 месяца назад

Why not just label it as a 1200 watt amp?

@volvo09 3 месяца назад

Bigger number wins, haha

@wal 3 месяца назад

That is the question. Seems the amp was built to handle the lower ohm loads though

@BDauto86 3 месяца назад

They have an Atom1200 so maybe make this a 1500. Rate it at 500, 800, and 1500. It's still a good deal 130$ for 1500w Korean amp that can run at .5ohm.

@johnrogers5413 3 месяца назад

I’m looking forward to when you get to test the new U.S. AMPS

@vincentrusso4332 2 месяца назад

To the very end crew ... well done D. - Surry Virginia

@tjaprilgage 3 месяца назад

had some PPI amp and subs back in the late 90s, it was good stuff then. like many companies the quantity over quality effect happen

@smtyson1650 3 месяца назад

They got bought out Epsilona electronics.Epsilon also owns Power Acoustik, Farenheit, SPL, Kole Audio, and Soundstream Technologies.

@ericwarnock704 3 месяца назад

I like how all connections are on one side like Rockford Fosgate.

@garthbosworth8090 3 месяца назад

Would love to see a test on the 5 channel amps of this brand to see if they are worth using for a budget build

@joshholden8561 3 месяца назад

Run it at .5 call it a day and get way more than the 1800 rated . Looks very solid inside I'd like to see their biggest power series on the dyno.

@brianwinger7293 3 месяца назад

Interesting to see that car audio is still a thing given that OEM car systems are SO much better than they have ever been - rather than throwaway systems - you have vehicles with McIntosh, Mark Levinson, Focal, and others -- so nice! But as always - the high end market will always provide value. I had several iterations of systems over the years. I had a love of music not just 'sound' so I got a job at a local high end store that had car audio gear -- blauplunkt, alpine, mcintosh or nakamichi head unit my speakers ranged from a/d/s, mbquart b&w jbl speakers driven by early soundstream, adcom, carver and mcintosh amps... such clean sound. NO -- I wasn't breaking any decibel records -- but -- the sound quality rivaled anything I had or have heard in the car audio world.

@markspurgin8225 3 месяца назад

Cool 😎 have you ever tested the PP star trek models ?

@jameskyser9423 3 месяца назад

Take it for what it is and its a pretty good value. Plus it isnt a bad looking amp

@davysprockett92 3 месяца назад

ive got 2 of them strapped at 1ohm so .5 each and they do great. they may not do quite what theyre rated but really cant beat them for 129 each

@djrez2107 3 месяца назад

i cried a little inside :( PPI was such a prestigious company in the 90s

@HillbillyRefrigeration 3 месяца назад

Still a good budget deal! Looks good and looks like decent build quality. Only time will tell😅

@mitotv6376 3 месяца назад

Nice review

@nickcurran7388 3 месяца назад

Great video but You should bring back and dyno some home audio equipment

@youwish3575 3 месяца назад

Even though it didn’t make “rated” power, it still looks nice and makes a lot of power for the money.

@Jack_Move 3 месяца назад

I'd spend the extra $70 & get the STINGER Audio MT20001 , That my friends is a Great Value for the money. Recently upgraded my 25+yr old Fosgate amp to this pushing a 12" Savard High Q . They paired Extremely well

@iceman45ification1 3 месяца назад

I don't get why they have to keep lying to the public with their bogus ratings. If they were honest, people would respect them. It's a shame that such a great brand from back in the day has come to this. Thanks for the great video, BigD!! 💪🔥

@jimbobdobbs1597 3 месяца назад

Honestly because a lot of first time buyers dont realize 1200 actual watts is PLENTY enough, they have to feel like they get more.

@pineappleexpress8735 3 месяца назад

what size power and ground you running to it???? the 4awg or did you use some oversized wire with amp inputs / reducers ?

@user-fj8wr8jh4e 3 месяца назад

I had a PPI amp driving 2 earthquakes in a BP in a 323. It had the palm trees on it. I guess you're getting your monies worth but id love to see PPI still putting out higher end stuff.

@michaelzernie7092 3 месяца назад

I hate b.s. company ratings. Just rate it what it makes. That's one of the reasons your channel kicks ass dude

@jimbobdobbs1597 3 месяца назад

Another thing to ponder- if you have 4 different brands and rate the aame amp 4 different ways for a year and compare sales data? People are STUPID man. Just a thought

@PHUNNYGUY2 3 месяца назад

I know it doesn’t meet the old school versions quality, but since the amps caps are lower temp how would it handle actual play time with subs? Usually you have that test & thermal scan. Just curious….🤨

@yunodiewtf 3 месяца назад

Might be a silly question but does the dyno ohm setting account for the wire resistance? The cheap amps might be rating their amps with the resistance right at the output terminals with any wire resistance being "the customers problem".

@TokenTombstone 3 месяца назад

Do it bump doe?

@blasekaauamo756 3 месяца назад

It saddens me to see a brand that used to be held with high regard miss lead consumers. I remember their older amps and always wanted to try them in a build. Just couldn't afford them back in the late 90's and early 00's. Now they are more affordable but I won't buy something that is over rating the power output. Even if the build quality seems amazing. I want the product I'm purchasing to be able to put out the power it says or more even if it doesn't actually produce it in my real world application. On that note thank you for your videos so it can assist anyone in making the best decision for themselves.

@anthonytaylor8672 3 месяца назад

I have a question? For what a amp lacks in power does that mean the sound quality is better? And what brands are to be trusted that what your getting all adds up in one way or another?

@ancientalien815 3 месяца назад

They sure made it look like it was gonna do the 1800!

@Brandencarroll1 3 месяца назад

Really curious about how the current Precision Power subwoofers are, kind find any quality reviews on them.

@Bassotronics 3 месяца назад

R.I.P Precision Power Them as well as many brands are still around but are not reliable anymore; just placeholders. Lmao at 3600 watts on the box. 😂

@ashcoleman8866 3 месяца назад

I wonder what the amp draw was at .5 ohms dynamic? just a question:-) and kind of curious what the low-voltage test would look like;)

@csj9619 3 месяца назад

I don't see the need for 4 amplifier product lines when they're all kinda the same (on the inside), unless I'm mistaken. I actually had an amp around '97 or '98 branded "Epsilon". I don't recall the model, rated output, etc., but do recall it being 2 or 3 feet long and over 1,000 watts.

@poopool_Q 3 месяца назад

They're just capitalizing on all of the name recognition. PPi was highly sought after back when I was young

@yeanah2571 2 месяца назад

I still remember Alma Gates and her PPi equipped Ford Bronco, and her holding the SPL world record for some time. I think everybody into car audio wanted PPi gear back in the day.

@suertederey4564 3 месяца назад

I had a power acoustic 1000 watt and it was decent for a 200.00 amp in 2001 but wouldn't work my HX2 12s until I got 800a2 punch

@matmichalke5734 3 месяца назад

If you use it like it is a 1200@1ohm I think it's a pretty good amp. If the rating were not inflated I think we would have a better thought about the amp.

@fatstacks89 3 месяца назад

I really want to see that power class on the dyno

@VineOil-CHK 3 месяца назад

Is it beneficial or necessary to use both power inputs? I have it with a standard amp kit but I'm not sure how I'd connect to 2 powers and 2 grounds.

@bassheadfanatik 3 месяца назад

Can you try doing a 1k hertz track tone at 1 ohm to see if it meets its rated power. Would be nice to see if at least they tried to hold up to the name

@michaelbaldwin8869 3 месяца назад

I like power acoustik razor 2500 amp from Walmart and now that does rated power

@jessecline4226 3 месяца назад

Other than not being accurate on the output, a decent bargain amp if you're on a budget.

@bayramoglumurathan925 3 месяца назад

Thanks.

@wal 3 месяца назад

Thanks for watching and commenting!

@rolandbaxter4936 3 месяца назад

My comment is it passes the low ohm test and didn't clip or fuzz out. Reminds me of the old 94 precision power competing with fosgate. I have a question... please slave the two and see what it does. Pulse at power to both sources in and out. Battery bank the slave also

@Thumper68 3 месяца назад

Hifi vector tested on of these or the soundstream version awhile ago it made good power for price but not rated either.

@ra.dawkins1441 2 месяца назад

Hi Could you please do tell me the rms ratings at 12.5 voltage please and thanks

@greebuh 3 месяца назад

I had some Precision Power 10's back in 2009 that were beefy as hell. Lost them to some shady roommates. Last roommates I ever had.

@juicemanbailey4400 3 месяца назад

Real question is does Epsilon make any amp that produces its rated power ????

@gabriel75821 3 месяца назад

Hey can you test the ds18 g4000.5d,it will be greatly appreciated

@Puppytime31 3 месяца назад

My MVR expert 1005 gave up on me about 8 years ago. I had that and 2-t1000s for my system. I had no idea where to get the expert repaired and didn't want to spend $2k on a set of newer alpines, so I got the PPI P1000.1 and P900.4 for about $300. Both had the same d-class insides as the Polk, NVX, etc., at the time. They do pretty well, honestly. But I doubt I'd buy this. Are they just throwing a stack of fuses on it to make it look mean?

@Aaron48219 3 месяца назад

That's a nice looking amp, I want one. Too bad I don't have any subs.

@wal 3 месяца назад

I would use my tax return to help you but I had to pay a big chunk to Uncle Joe, I mean Sam

@olbakerman1672 3 месяца назад

A really nice 1400watt amp

@DarkpawTheWolf 3 месяца назад

I know it doesn't make the power they're listing, but it's still a great value. And seems stable at low Ohms.

@nicholascortez728 3 месяца назад

I remember when they launched this line and is sister line (the rubicon nano) at Soundstream in 2015 as replacements for the Power Class and Reference line. Its nice to see that the amo deaign of the Atom (and Im gonna guess rhe Rubi nanos since aside from the heatsink they have the exact same layout) is decent. Though its sad to see thay they are treating PPI and Soundstream like they do Power Acoustik, just slap a big number on the box for the young bass heads. Which is duobly sad giveen that prior to 2015 SS and PPI were still staffed by people thay seemed to really want this brands to live up to their legacy.

@user-tl7wh7th9s 3 месяца назад

Have you ever done a dyno test on a us acoustics Mike amp? I'd like to see that. Any of the us acoustic amps!

@undernature2799 3 месяца назад

Have the Mike and the Barbara Ann. I am not using either currently, but I am very satisfied with both. Excellent recommendation 👍

@jarrodbrennan121 3 месяца назад

If I remember correctly they don't make rated power.

@user-tl7wh7th9s 3 месяца назад

@@undernature2799 how's the sq?

@undernature2799 3 месяца назад

@user-tl7wh7th9s sq is very satisfying to me. Always been sql over spl. Everyone has opinions, though, as they should

@Evilthx 3 месяца назад

I wouldn't have any issues running one if they just rate the actual power. This should be a 1200w amp and I would be so cool with it. I have a Korean made Soundstream nano 4 channel, the white one. Sounds great and it has never let me down. I don't know its actual power but it doesn't seem lacking.

@wal 3 месяца назад

Seems simple enough to me as well

@MrBooMY3 3 месяца назад

You should dyno a Recoil Dii3300.1D that they just released! See how accurate their ratings are. 3300w x 1 @ 1ohm 14.4v

@philipeli1192 2 месяца назад

I own the 1200.1 its a tank,have been using epsilon amps,they have a great design team,out done by the marketing team tho lol

@highgoals4204 3 месяца назад

I wouldn't mind buying it if the price stay the same within the next month or so. It just might be a great sounding amp

@ericperry72 2 месяца назад

Id still use this at the price point but it would for a setup that just requires 1k-1.2k @1ohm. at the the price point its a steal. Again brands should market this as what it is, a solid 1200 watt amp. I wonder what the 4 channel can do?

@christopherlesage5995 3 месяца назад

If they had just rated it properly it would be perfect. For the price and the power it does put out, that's a good deal. I appreciate honesty and will buy honesty.

@Natetron1000 3 месяца назад

Well when we start off with Dick Riculous we know something’s up! The amps of yesteryear are hard to come by these days. But videos like this are great for the education of a buying audience!!

@boostedperformance4529 3 месяца назад

Out of all the amps that you've covered what is the cheapest best amp that really blows you way?

@Carl_Jr 3 месяца назад

He has a few videos about that

@cueball981 3 месяца назад

Precision Power used to be one of the best. Sad that those days are long gone.

@goldhunter9641 3 месяца назад

The old school PPI Amps were awesome and I always used the Art Series and on occasion the Power Series Amps but ever since the late 1990s most companies went way down hill on the Quality and Performance 🤷🏿🤣

@Crookedletta601 3 месяца назад

That Part💯

@JRTreeService-Firewood 3 месяца назад

I just got a alpine 1200watt rms amp from crutchfield sale ended march 28 and i paid 549.99 good deal i paid that for my alpine mrv 500 2 years ago.I also bought 2 10'' alpine s series subs 2 ohm 600watt rms dual voice coal

@marcovaldovinos5009 3 месяца назад

549$ for 1200rms is a little too much in my opinion😮. Hopefully the quality and longevity pays its self.

@theinsaneunknown 3 месяца назад

A little? Thats insane!@@marcovaldovinos5009

@JRTreeService-Firewood 3 месяца назад

@@marcovaldovinos5009 its canadian price and is a good price considering my alpine stuff last for years and years of daily pounding

@poopool_Q 3 месяца назад

Good luck brother. That's a crazy price to pay. I've only blown 3 amps in my lifetime. 2 were alpine. Mrp500 and mrp650. They don't like the heat and they're not forgiving

@JRTreeService-Firewood 3 месяца назад

@@poopool_Q I was worried about heat as well cause it staed in the owners manual it may get hot but i had it playing yesterday for 3 hours while i drove around and it just ponding the whole time and i kept checking just in case but didnt get hot at all my old pioneer 600 watt would get really hotbut so far no problem with my alpine set up i just upgraded from the e series to the s and my e series had to be 10 years old