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Korean Men: Mandatory Military Service (Korea Deconstructed #60) 

David Tizzard
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“People sleep peacefully in their beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” George Orwell
Park Kyung Hoon (박경훈), Park Inu (박인우), and Lee Seung-il (이승일) are three South Korean men who have all recently completed their mandatory military service. One served in the Navy on the south coast, one in an administrative office, and one as a sniper in the DMZ. In this conversation they share their psychological and physical experiences of being called up by the government to complete more than 500 days of compulsory services. While their paths were all different, they were able to relate to each other in terms of the forced nature of the service, the apps that soldiers use, the boot camps they endured, and the separation and isolation they felt. The one enduring message to be taken from listening to them is that though few, if any, men want to complete this national obligation, because they do, the rest of us are able to live peacefully.
Conversation Chapters
0:00 getting enlisted and physical check-ups
18:00 when do people normally choose to serve?
22:25 boot camp
36:36 getting to base
48:40 500 days left and phone usage
52:50 being a sniper at the DMZ
1:02:50 Patriotism and Korean feelings
1:09:00 Going on Leave and military punishments
1:18:00 Getting out the military
1:27:50 Gratitude and respect for men that serve
1:37:55 Should women be conscripted too?
1:49:30 Should celebrities be exempt?
1:55:00 Charlie’s punishments
2:06:40 Closing thoughts
Korea Deconstructed by David Tizzard
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@DEEPWEB-.-
@DEEPWEB-.- 8 месяцев назад
I'm Korean born and raised in Korea for my entire life, I literally perceive this whole mandatory military system as a bullshit and a national crime inflicted on their own citizens under the propaganda "You're a true Korean man, you should serve for your military" or "It's a sacred obligation" etc.. getting enlisted at a very young age, you haven't really grown up, it's been only about one or two years since you graduated high school and you're just having an "adult" life at university and all of sudden the country just drags your ass into a isolated shithole. you get paid less than the minimum wage even though you're not there by choice and ricking your life and they treat their soldiers like disposable plastic bags. It's just too much for young males to carry on their shoulders. I believe there's no good in conscription system but only toxic for males and the country itself. they enlist people at the ages where they're the brightest with studying and it makes it tardy for them to enter the world and make money, i mean look at what other younger males in other countries do at the ages where korean ones serve, they graduate uni sooner and start making money already, so it can definitely affect the whole economy growth because military holds up people's life like that. also it's a problem that most soldiers serving right now got no any patriotism and the spirit that soldiers are supposed to have, no wonder because they're drafted!!. now the dudes at military they say this a lot "I don't fuxking care about the country, once things go down i'm out screw it" literally zero morale. I'd also run the f away cuz it's not worth it to die for a country that doesn't respect you. Now all the frustration and anger about this bullshit system is all toward female citizens as men are more becoming more woke with the idea that it's unfair that men are only subject to this time consuming shit. actually i'm a person who thinks we also have to shave their hair like a smooth rock and have them also serve, not that i resent women but now we don't have enough men to serve (honestly i'm not sure if sustaining that high number of troops really matters at this point where all you do is just press buttons to launch missiles) so why not make women serve rather than stop talking nonsense "oh we got no dudes to serve, so we gonna just enlist physically mentally ill males too haha" and also the argument that women are not strong enough is crap, i mean half of the dudes i met at the bootcamp were looking like ill chickens dying of flu or something but they manage through it somehow!! so why can't women do the same? and the respect for soldiers definitely needs to be there. like girls my age, they don't give a fuck, they don't really seem thankful or aware of who makes it possible for them to go out every day and have a nice warm coffee at Starbucks chit chatting about trivial bullshits that ain't nobody cares while boys are literally working their ass off to protect people that don't care about you. it is a total waste of time, you learned things yes, but you can learn things too in the outside world without much stress and risking your life i just wanna say to people who are watching this and are supposed to serve that if you have the kind of environment where you can choose not to go then please don't. you're gonna def regret it
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 8 месяцев назад
I love this comment - thank you. It's great hearing all the different perspectives on the military. I've pinned yours at the top so hopefully more people can recognize your take on the situation, too. Thanks for sharing.
@jwhan2086
@jwhan2086 7 месяцев назад
In the early part of this video, they talked about the tattoo issue in the enlistment phase. The tattoo was a real issue when I served in the army during 2008-2010. For example, in the boot camp, some training instructors were concerned whether some of my colleagues with tattoos were members of a criminal organisation. The reason was that the tattoo culture was so common among South Korean gangsters during 70s, 80, and 90s because they were heavily influenced by their colleagues in Japan. So having a tattoo of dragons or tigers covering large portions of the body might have meant that the guy was a gangster member, who is considered as a potential troublemaker in a highly stressful society like the army. But tattoo culture declined in South Korean gangs while became popular among younger generations. So it seems that the Military Manpower Administration does not take tattoos as a serious issue anymore.
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 7 месяцев назад
This is great insight. Thank you. Completely agree about the tattoos and the changing culture. It's amazing how quickly things have turned around. Maybe the demographic change and declining male pool of available soldiers means they can't reject people as easily anymore of health or aesthetic grounds. Perhaps the wording change (from 문신 to 타투) has also played some role because not only were 문신 associated with gangsters, they were also associated with the slave and criminal class of the Joseon Dynasty. The more modern term does not have those negative connotations. I also read a stat that said more Korean women than men have tattoos nowadays. I certainly see them on a lot of wrists and fingers at the universities. Even the international students are big into K-tattoos while they are here haha. And, after saying all this, I don't have any tattoos ㅎㅎㅎ Appreciate your comment and thank you for your service.
@elaineOiwish
@elaineOiwish 4 месяца назад
Thank you for these interviews. I am very curious what the life is like in their military. I am American. My grandson was stationed on an American military base there around 5 years ago. TBH it is definitely because I enjoy entertainment that has had their members having to interrupt careers to comply w Conscription. I follow the World news now bc it affects their lives & tensions are higher now for them. I’ve wondered what positive changes they have been able to influence by their having the status they have to speak up and paid attention to. Also as I understand it that after Consription the soldiers are automatically in the reserves and will be called back into service if the worst happens and they are needed regardless of what is going on in their civilian life. Which is understandable since time and money was spent on their training and they would want to protect their own families and country. Prayers for peace. 💜
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sending the support to these young men and also thank you to your son for his service. Sometimes the news only focuses on the lives of celebrities and pop stars when it comes to military service here in Korea, but we should remember many young men of this country are giving up their time to keep us safe.
@wheresmyeyebrow1608
@wheresmyeyebrow1608 11 месяцев назад
It's interesting to see how their conscription compares to that done in Singapore, where people with mental/phyiscal illnesses can also be given more 'office-like' work. Thank you for including Inu's face as well lol : D
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 11 месяцев назад
One of my favourite expressions these days is "Find the strange in the familiar and the familiar in the strange". I think that probably applies a lot when thinking about the similarities and differences between Korea and Singapore's military service! And yes, go Inu's face!! Super handsome dude haha
@anacaro594
@anacaro594 6 месяцев назад
Would you be kind and do a Video about Buddy Enlistment? Thank you!
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 6 месяцев назад
I'll look into it. Thanks for the idea. I'm sure the Jungkook and Jimin experience is of interest to many outside the country.
@elaineOiwish
@elaineOiwish 4 месяца назад
@@DavidTizzard Yes I for one have also wondered what positive influence all of the men of BTS have had on conditions on the bases.
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