One of the most underrated aspects of the hulk is his stealth. Dudes a literal giant rage monster who's being tracked by the entire U.S. military and most superheroes. And when he doesn't want to be found, he freaking disappears.
@@COOLERthenUI completely forgot he could do that, but with you reminding me I can remember an example of that being when he just up and disappeared in the next avengers movie for decades while Ultron was destroying shit.
To be fair.. would you, or anyone for that matter.. really want to "find" him? Hell, I'm willing to be that every government in the world knows Banner's/Hulk's exact and precise location at all hours of the day.. but, know better than to approach or bother him and run the risk of destroying whatever facility he's being held in. It's safer to keep any eye on him from a distance than to contain him.
Kratos slams so bad Immortal Can't be erased Beat sisters of fate(primordial) Opened Pandoras box Can grow any size Held up infinite sky Flipped the world tree Infinite speed Should I continue?
My first thought when I saw the post, even before he started talking was "Depends on which Hulk we talking" Kratos is easily dogwalking MCU hulk the brain but comic Hulk isn't even in the same universe as Kratos strength wise.
@jbear9 Well toba IS toaas rage. And by extension hulk is too Rage was what Toaa created to destroy mother of horrors and her creations. This rage birthed Toba, who eventually created Bruce/Hulk via gamma
This is what i understood : if you're comparing a character from almost any novel against the comics version of a MCU Character, the MCU character is most likely to win. Then that same multi dimensional threat get doged by the most random ennemy.
@@frosty37It’s basically Thor gained Hulk powers and Hulk gained Thor powers but Thor couldn’t control em so Odin teamed up with Hulk to try and revert him back bc if you know to much gamma would literally cause Thor to lose control
Tbf it would be extremely boring always watching basically everyone become a god, I'm all for a battle of the Titans but things like the continuity stone or cosmic force gets old really quickly to the point where any feat that would otherwise be interesting and cool becomes another "woop de doo am I supposed to be impressed" it's just not entertaining especially when one of the two win just because some "I'm actually" clause
@@Tove5th I hear you, but the comics had multiple storylines that used Hulk’s strength in interesting ways. I would have loved a World War Hulk movie, where Hulk is more like the villain against every other MCU hero. I always loved how Hulk was based on Jekyll and Hyde, but newer movies removed the Hyde aspect and made him far more mundane. You don’t need to massively weaken the character to still have a good story with character development and interesting dilemmas. Also, the nerfing sometimes results in characters feeling very underutilized, like Quicksilver, Gorr and Modok.
@@Aaroncarter95That’s literally Batman nigga, at least Tony has the intelligence to actually step up to those beings not just plot armor, which is what Batman has
@@thelegendofslendercurrently, no. Kratos may have infinite strength, but Hulk's strength has no limit, and Kratos has nothing in his arsenal to put Hulk down.
Hulk is the unstoppable force *and* the immovable object. I'm pretty sure if Juggernaut charged at him at full speed he'd just end up running against him forever like a glitched video game NPC stuck running against a wall.
This has happened in the comics. After breaking a lot of concrete trying to push each other, hulk just decided to yeet the ground juggernaut was standing on, along with juggernaut. Cytoraak ain't got shi on hulk strength.
IIRC, anytime The Hulk and Juggernaut fights, it usually ends with The Hulk defeating the Juggernaut through other ways other than his powers because everytime Hulks powers up, Juggernaut powers up.
At least the comics respect the hope more must I remind you the time the Hulk clapped the sentres cheeks in New York while holding back more than half his power.
He always has been 🤦🏾♂️ none of the aspects that make the comic hulk so dangerous are basically non existent in the movies like the fact that hulk has actual intelligence or the fact that hulk is effectively immortal
"Comic Hulk would treat Kratos like Kratos does Atreus" With fatherly love or yelling boy at him? If you're implying physical violence Kratos has never laid a hand on Atreus
Lool crazy how hard y’all sleep on Kratos he has it mid-diff. Difference with Kratos and hulk all his lore is canon comic and games. No more needs to be said if you’ve read the comics 😂
Thank you. Someone finally says it. It's one of the reasons I ended up dropping the comics. It happens too often to too many characters. I get bored when people say, "Oh, then this character became a god" Yeah, so did everyone. And then it's reset in the next continuity. DC has a similar problem.
@@OqiviOrein0 I think the power creep is cool as a one off thing, but it happens way too often for me. At this point it's lost all meaning. If everyone has been a god or demigod at somep point, then what's the point. It also gets annoying in debates when almost any character mentioned also has some alternate, super Saiyan, ultimate, god form. And then there's always the random attempts to one-up their strongest form. Oh! He was a god before, but now he's a multidimensional being above godhood.
I think it's also an issue that comes with too many characters and too many power sets that don't play well together. This character is the most powerful magician in the world. But, we also introduced this character who is the most powerful 'sorcerer' in the world. They are totally different, trust me. Then they introduce a new character who is powered by the very force of magic itself. Then they have to introduce a character who is powered by the force of anti-magic. Then the character that is the Death of all magic. Then that guy from before who was the most powerful magician teams up with the others to take on the Death of magic dude and the anti-magic guy (Now a good guy) dies heroically and gives his powers to the magician. Making him the embodiment of magic and anti-magic. The Magic Infinite form. Which he uses to defeat the Death of magic guy and likely take his place as the new Death of magic guy. Eventually they'll need to sell some more comics of the magician, so they'll have to come up with a way to return him to normal as his current powers make him undefeatable. So they'll have him give up the powers or lose them to some new villain. Or something.
Imagine getting dogged in a fight, then your opponent is like, “sorry, let me buff you up as this fight isn’t even close to being fair” then just dogging you again
That has always been the point of Superheroes though, their whole concept is to just be wild , crazy, and the strongest characters humans can come up with. It’s quite literally in the name SUPERheroes, not reasonably powered heroes.
Sometimes I wonder why the comic writers write their characters the way they do in regards to their strength. I can’t be the only who feels that it can be all over the place…
There's no one writer for any character. So one writer may scale his character very high and another my not even scale the same character up to base form
Imo it’s only ever all over the place if the enemies don’t have the same amount of power. It’s be one thing if they were zoo fighting fodder but it’s literally gods vs gods
Part of it is because they have been around for so long. Keep in mind these characters are older than like 70% of the current population. So they have to keep doing more to keep interest flowing but I do agree it's getting out of hand. Like the original superman's power set is a basic superhuman package at this point when back in the day that was one of the most impressive.
because some writers think their personal opinion is at stake if their favorite character doesn't win against more and more impossible odds, so they keep juicing the characters no matter the detriment it has to other characters, the setting, or their own writing at large.
Any time anyone puts these comic characters in fights I'm always like "ok, whay insane power ups do they have in whatever comic run thats happening now that I don't know about?"
I like to think Kratos sees his old self in Hulk, and would be able to talk to him peacefully (after an epic battle) and give Hulk a place to stay when the world is too much.
@@lego_fatbuu bro like imagine Kratos then introduces Hulk to Tyr and the two Gods of War and the World Breaker get to enjoy sparring each other, exchanging combat skills, life stories and so forth.
@@sun_vfx not necessarily. He fights due to being constantly provoked. If you aren’t hostile towards him, neither is he towards you. One of the things he usually says often is “LEAVE HULK ALONE!!!” This phrase is often used and rephrased, but it mainly shows that Hulk ultimately doesn’t want to deal with people, since he mainly sees people who are out to get him.
That’s one of the reasons I don’t like comics. When they run out ideas, they make everyone comically strong. And when everyone is super strong, it’s just not that cool anymore
@@annaki525Nah, he ain't lyin. It's no coincidence that they are doing this to literally every character. They know their former copy and paste stories aren't selling anymore, so their only choice is to just upgrade characters for no reason... without any character growth at all, just straight up plot for the sake of a power upgrades. You fanboys and girls just accept it instead of challenging it out of some nonsensical loyalty to these lame lazy writers and racist publishing companies.
@@Chadius_Thundercockfor real dude, hearing this description right now is legit one of the reasons i dropped comics. The power scaling is so stupid, and there's usually a complete lack of any interesting story to go with it. "Oh my god guys the hulk is SOOOOO strong look at him rip up the world tree, look at him beat up galactus, look how they need a celestial to fight him." Who actually cares about any of it at that point, it sounds like fan fiction written by a 10 year old that thinks strong=cool
Ain’t even talk about how he literally killed Death itself and how death wasn’t even enough to stop kratos and how he killed the sisters of fate and they have control of peoples fates and made it so he dies and denied fate itself but nah I guess we will just skip over that or what about when he literally fought the god of strength and kurbstomped him
although tbf if kratos was directly usuing the power of hope like at the end of the zeus fight or during the ares fight then he probably could beat odin and zeus although the comic versions would still kick his ass
I Mean he killed zeus and oden as well as their entire families he did kill them at once, it was one after another and I mean how many gods has hulk killed exactly cuz kratos has still killed more gods than hulk
Cartoon characters can beat him because of cartoon logic, think outside the box, there are so many different kinds of characters in many different type of fiction that can easily destroy the hulk
@@bestlaptop_psn yes, thor absorbed the gamma blast and it turned him to a hulk but in result he lost the hammer and odinforce. He ne ame unworthy and full of rage. This caused thor to fight full force with his hands only. Odin assisted hulk and allowed him to wield the full Odin force. So it was odinforce hulk vs gamma thor. The gamma allowed thor to tap into his latent power and rage out, thor ripped one of hulks arms off, ripped the entire world tree off its roots with pure strength and flexed out of teleportation from odin using all of the power of the rainbow Bridge which destroyed the bridge entirely. Hulk regenerated his arm mid fight though but it was alluded that there is a possibility that thor would kill hulk. Confirmed by beta Ray Bill and the other asgardians. Odin in fear kept assisting hulk. Rmemeber at that time Odin was dead and lived inside of the hammer of thor. Currently thoe is the allfather and defeated an elder god. Current hulk has been besting up eldrich horror lovecraftian gods and enemies of the one above all 😂. The writer of hulk was also writing Superman which is y superman hulk and currently thor habe all receive Amps. This is off topic but current Superman managed to tank the most powerful magic in all of DC existence at the highest level combined with 5th dimensional imps magic and all magical artifacts a boundless source of magic inside of bizarro. Basically bizarro can absorb ant and all magic and counter anyone who uses magic in their arsenal. Biazarro became a sorcerer himself, superman managed to tank a full speed blitz from this bizarro and still talk to and try to help bizarro. This is current which also counters anyone bringing up magic debates against superman now. Superman, thor and hulk are freaking insane.
Yep. “Hey, check out this character I just wrote. He’s light speed and could probably bust a few planets if he got really angry.” “Well, uh, my character transcends concepts, so he beats yours.” “What the fuck does that even mean?”
i love how writers give the respect and power Thor deserves just to throw that away in the next issue with the same Thor losing against a fucking normal base Hulk cus why the f#%k not
@@jozillaarevalo1747 She was beaten once...screenrant.com/marvel-unbeatable-squirrel-girl-defeat-great-lakes-avengers-comics/#:~:text=Marvel%27s%20most%20unbeatable%20hero%20was,wiping%20out%20an%20entire%20superteam.&text=Marvel%27s%20most%20unbeatable%20hero%20just%20suffered%20a%20huge%20loss%2C%20as,of%20the%20most%20disappointing%20ways.
Nah in that same fight it was revealed that Thor always held back even against the Hulk. Once Thor turned into a hulk he finally cut loose. Man’s was beating on Hulk so much so that Bruce convinced Odin to give him Thor’s powers just so they can turn Thor back to his normal self
@@David-qr4uhfacts, it was also revealed hulked bout thor is just thor let loose, hulk thor took on both Odin and Worthy Hulk as well and majority of Asgard in his rage. Basically hulk thor is a berserk thor no longer held back, even Volstag stated that Thor was always this strong just always held himself back. Guy in the video made it seem like hulk won the fight against thor, they were completely equal and this was a super enhanced hulk that was far stronger then world breaker hulk and others, this hulk is equal the the hulk from the one below meaning hulk at his strongest. They were equal though Thor actually had the higher ground and did more against hulk and even then thor was holding back cause thor views hulk as a friend even when they fight. It was a tie simple as that. So yeah i agree with you. Guy just brushed past alot of what happened in the comic for people to think hulk is stronger then thor when they are equal generally and neither has an official win against the other.
There's always an issue with putting the most buffed version of a character verses a normal character, especially when one has decades of continuity that can undo any feats too extreme to be interesting long term while the other doesn't. In the history of Thor vs. Hulk fights, Hulk has now won 4 including this while Thor has won dozens if not 100+ by now, without even the Odinforce which by _itself_ should be OP, because Thor as a literal god was always the strongest Marvel character. For a time it went Thor, Hulk, Thing, Spider-Man, and while the last two haven't been consistently up there in a while Thor had always remained physically stronger than a gamma Mr. hyde. But Hulk in this run seems to just happen to have a powerup in the moment that beats 3-4 universe destroying forces combined in one god +outstrengthening the long time canonical strongest character, just because the writers decided Hulk wins this time. Standard Thor who beat the Hulk nearly every time they fought saw Odinforce Odin go toe to toe with a completed infinity gauntlet felt an insurmountable gap between himself and his father. Iron Man couldn't even scratch him with one of his most powerful armors because Odin with all his power could've easily saved Thor's life and stopped Paris' destruction. And now Thor literally wields Odin as one of multiple power-ups and gets bodied. Terrible, terrible powerscaling. Kratos has a single narrative going throughout all the games so he doesn't get to be this conveniently inexplicably buffed. All you have are the feats he's done in games which should all be considered standard and the fact Kratos in greek mythology is the literal god of strength, as in strength physically embodied. Stronger than Hercules who game Kratos kills, who's strength was only a smaller reflection of Zeus', who game Kratos kills. Going by the Stan Lee standard of the writer determines the winner, on a normal day with a normal Hulk, Kratos as a spartan expert in all forms of combat, god of strength _and_ god of war who kills gods, comes back from death and changes fate casually would not get washed.
The current Immortal Hulk kills Eldritch horrors, bodies gods, and can regenerate from being ripped apart and disemboweled, Kratos got his heart stopped by Thor playing around....this isn't a fight it's fckn execution.
@@str9306 Literally at beginning of the game Thor stopped Kratos' heart and then defibrillated it just continue their fight, and at the End of the game that same Thor after dealing with Jormungandr had Kratos winded.
@@critch1088 that… doesn’t do anything to detract from what I said. It’s why I specifically said it the way I had. Because there are just as many that can, like mainline you’ve mentioned, that can power-scale astronomically. So the point remains of “which” one..
@@RurouniHiro but when people talk about the what if battles, the first comic version of the characters they think of are almost always the mainline version of the character. So yes you can specify what comic version, but 9 times out of ten, the version they are think of is the mainline version. So I’m this case, it doesn’t matter if other versions can’t beat Kratos, but if the mainline Hulk can, which is what the guy in the video was talking about.
It literally pisses me of how much of a fodder galatcus became hes literally the definition of a power scale if you beat him your strong its so pathetic
@@onyx5953this is why trying to compare American comic characters to others is retarded. There is always a version of a character who is basically god. The scaling also makes no sense. And no not every version could beat Kratos. There’s so many versions of both Thor and Hulk it’s literally up to the writer how they scale them. For example there’s a version of Thor that struggled to lift a lead model of a Golden Bull. Then u look again and see there’s a rune king Thor who is basically a multiversal god. There’s no point in competing with comic characters who really are js as strong as the writer need them to be.
@@onyx5953kratos wins after losing once or twice. he defies death. beat a whole pantheon of invincible gods and stole their power (x2) he would do the same in the MCU. he’d take the beyonders powers. steal the living tribunal weapon gather the infinity stones. beat dormamu in his domain and then come back and face the hulk with his new powers and win.
That’s why it makes me so mad when I watch Thanos beat up Hulk in the Avengers with like 5 punches. Like I get that Hulk can’t be the real Hulk due to him easily being able to overpower everyone around him and most of the villains they fought but still they shouldn’t have nerfed him that hard. It’s unfair to Hulk fans as well as the rest of the MCU for various reasons.
@@alien6824 Ok if we’re taking all hulk feats ever he’s hit someone so hard it reached an infinite number of realities, punched his way through dimensions, stood up while baring the weight of a star going nova (2 octillion tons), described by thanos as being able to put power the power stone which is infinitely powerful, and as the ability to destroy a whole planet by just releasing his pure power
Have u heard of the multi verse there are different Hulk each comic is a different universe mostly because they have different writers these versions of Hulk who are weak as hell then mid then straight up god. so yea depending on which Hulk is used Broly wins are get smash to bits.
Jesus christ, the MCU really drug Hulk reputation through the mud, because holy christ, I forgot that there is a fucking reason it takes either multiple team efforts or cosmic hax to actually overpower the Hulk. 😂
The thing about the hulk in the comics is that the angrier he is the stronger he gets He can pick up mjolnir not because he's worthy, but because he's getting angrier faster than mjolnir gets heavier
🤣I don't think that's how it works...the hammer is not heavy.....you can put it on glass and it won't break ....it just cannot be picked up by people who are unworthy, even captain America said the hammer was remarkably light
@@migzmoryeah in the comics the enchantment is specifically stated to increase the weight of the hammer if someone who is holding it isn’t worthy. Hulk has lifted the hammer just by getting more mad faster then the hammer can get heavy. And on a side note, while not too angry hulk managed to just casually lift a tectonic plate
Thank you for protecting the Hulks name. I swear the people who say Kratos wins only say that because their knowledge of the Hulk starts with the MCU and ends with a cliffnotes level awareness of World War Hulk.
Is that not a picture of Kratos vs Mcu hulk? Look at this comic book nerds mad 😂 You comic book nerds ruin every versus battle. You say “comic x character wins” like there’s not 50 different adaptations and cite feats from all of them as if they’re the same character. Or just pick the most juiced up version that’s obviously going to win. It’s like saying Frank Castle would win aginast Spider-Man because of that one time he turned into Cosmic Ghsot rider. Shit is dumb
@@Edotty-rj1nj I mean that’s not the same Frank Castle, but you do raise an interesting point: it’s not comic fans ruining debates, it’s ignorant people like you.
It's not, you just have to pick the mainline universe comic version of the character. No alternate universe, what if, Movie versions can be included. When you pick the main version of the Hulk, Kratos gets absolutely obliterated. I say this even tho I actually prefer Kratos as a character to the Hulk.
I definitely give that cause there is still one version of the Hulk that literally would beat all heros in comics an thats Cosmic Hulk which you see they dont bring him bacc out lol the dude literally jumps planet to planet killing everything
@@philladephia76ersin7 "On God, he is. Kratos fanboys will say Kratos will beat Goku and Saitama. They will even say that Kratos is faster than the Flash."
I think it would honestly be a stand still for all of eternity. The canon for Kratos is that he is as strong as he needs to be to fight his opponent, and the hulk also gets stronger.
The thing is that GoW fans ignore the creator statements. He said that each realm is simply a fucking country, you remember Kratos destroying the Greek realm? He didn't destroy the world, simply a country. The same can be said about most of his feats. Kratos is nowhere near as strong as his fans make him look.
@@leonel392 That’s honestly a funny concept taken literally. Imagine Thor breaking his hammer over the World Serpent and breaking time, meanwhile the Egyptian pantheon is like one state over going “TF are they doing over there???”
