I have listened to so many monitors at the DJ store, hs8 was very fatiguing at 1.5 distance from equil triangle. The krk has coloured ~150hz but use that EQ on the back and drop it by 2 or 4db and you have an almost genelec sound. Very impressed how my mixes translate since upgrading from the eris5xt. I have since used soundid and there's no turning back now, krk all the way.
not ear fatigue for me, my sweet spot from sonarworks is about 1.1 distance, excelent response, good room acoustics, everything has to do with working at moderate to low sound levels
That's really interesting. The Yamahas seem to add high end to the source track. The KRK seem closer to the source track to my aged ears. People might like the brighter sound, but I don't think a studio monitor should be ''adding'' anything to the sound.
Lol, most other people, during my research so far, said that the krks were adding low end. As compared to a range of speakers they have more low end. Don't get me wrong I still may end up getting them.
Depending on the monitor, it will greatly affect what kind of music people like to listen to with the monitor. And there is room treatment, speaker placement, ear cleaning/hygiene etc....
Warmer and fuller is exactly what I don't need in a near field monitor, that's great for a home hi fi system. If you have crowded mids to mix, then you are totally lost... Sorry my friend, it's only my opinion.
@@oscarmorales-cn3hz Hi Oscar, I understand your opinion. Its complicated to explain how the sound feels. But im very happy to have this monitors in my studio.
@@oscarmorales-cn3hz correct in all ways because you would be wrong with both teams, you should get used to each one because your mix would be altered with both and in fact you would be more wrong with the yamaha since two of its frequencies are altered and in krk only one of them .
I am so glad I watched this video before upgrading from my Mackie MR5mk2s! the KRK frequencies are stepping all over each other but the Yamahas are so distinct! it's not even close. Yamahas!
I had the yamaha hs8 and bought the rokit g4 8 "I think the rokit are better for creating or producing music, listening to sounds is delicious, saying they have a lot of bass, it is relative, you have to get used to it and you will love them, your music is more fun in them. You must know them and you can also do a worthy mastering
@@doppewaxy282 I used the older G3 Rokits and never liked them, maybe it was because of the room. I also have HS7's and produced many tunes with them but they lack in sub bass. I would say go with the cheaper one. But if they are the same price I would recommend HS8 because they are just reliable and many top class producers use them.
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practically you are saying you prefer colored sound, but in the real world in every genre you need flat response curve, otherwise you are making it more difficult to master engineer and yourself.
I LOVE THESE COMPARISONS, BUT PLEASE THINK ABOUT USING A SMALL LOOP OF EACH SONG SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THE SAME PARTS OF THE TRACK ON BOTH SPEAKERS. ALSO THE TOP END OF THE KRK CAN'T COMPARE TO THE HS8'S LEVEL OF CLARITY
Lol you're tripping hs are shitty sounding speakers thats why most people get them so if it spunds good on hs itll more than likely sound good any other pair of speakers
Ive used the KRK g4, Adam t series, and now most recently the Hs8. Without a doubt the winner is Yamaha. 1. Hs8 2. Krk 3. Adams Hs8 are so good its like cheating its just so musically correct idk how else to word it. Krks are great but sound very... not there like the sound doesnt touch your soul at any point. Great to mix on tho actually quite great. Adams are terrible, opposite of hs8. They are musically incorrect. Everything is out of place and the high end is way too bright. Most ear fatiguing speaker I've ever owned. I can go on but my leasy favorite thing about the adams is how much bass blows out the rear port. You can hear the bass bouncing off the back wall even when you properly place your speakers with a pretty treated room. Hs8 without a doubt is the true premium experience its exactly what you want
The Rokits sound great but the HS8 sound crazy great. I was just at Guitar Center and listened to the KRKs and the Yamahas. My pick then was the Yamaha. Clear and precise. My thoughts - Cheers, mvh
Ok, we all love Yamaha's clarity sound, but what about realistic? Yamaha sound like hi-fi system, also lowmid and low transients lil bit slow (example "deep" and "mortals").
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correct in all ways because you would be wrong with both teams, you should get used to each one because your mix would be altered with both and in fact you would be more wrong with the yamaha since two of its frequencies are altered and in krk only one of them .
Definitely HS8 !!. The KRK bass might trick you when you listen in a different environment, if you are mixing or producing you don't want that extra bass, whereas the Yamaha do not add any extra sugar to your music, it is what it is.
Could one simply roll-off the bottom a bit with that handy on-board EQ the KRK is sporting? I mean, is that why it's there? To allow the woofers to be more accurate in various room sizes and treatments? I'm just learning so set me straight.
On the KRK with its more advanced visual EQ you could easily EQ the bass to be similar to the Yamaha. Yamaha is very limited as far as adjustments go, with volume, room control and treble presets. If the new KRK models still have the "black goo" issue, though, they should be avoided like the plague. Over time, a manufacturing material they use will thin out, spread onto the circuit board, and increase the noise floor.
the graphs are so identical that they are showing your room more than the speakers themselves... may be is time for some more acoustic treatment. thanks for the videos.
Correct. I'm not sure what his acoustic space looks like, but he def needs some bass trapping in the corners (thick, at least 8" or 4" with a 4" air gap) and some thick clouds between the monitors and listening position.
you can see how the tweeters are aligned different in "camera" (mics) and they are directional, thats why we have a super different sound in the video, im guessing the graphs are from the manufacturer (anecohic room etc)
Hm. I think you can identify that the graph is very identical. And thats amazing for this type of comoarison. In that room the speakers Sound quite similar. Oh wait, yes the frequency Response is nearly identical. So what Do you expect??
@@player234145 The graphs are always done in a kind of scale of resolution, different brands has different parameters and scales so even when they looks similar are not in reality
Thank you, this is really cool and all. BUT while you have those speakers out anyway it would be really important for me that i could also get an impression of the level of static noise the speakers are emitting. I have read a bunch of reviews and on some more affordable speakers, people are very frustrated about the amount of hiss the speakers have, wich is much higher than what they would have liked to have. I had the HS8's once and found that to be their only real weakness. It's not crazy on them but when i upgraded to some older Gen's they also had some hiss, but it's noticeably less. And if i ever where to shop for other monitors i would want to make sure that they have even less hiss. I just dislike it that much!
Both are very good and similarly perform , the only difference is the tweeter amplifier hiss in the krk is much more audible than the yamaha if your room has an ambient noise above 40 dB
I think Yamaha has a better definition on the hi mid/hi range, I feel Krk has something missing on higher mids overall. The bass is def more punchy on Rokits but I noticed that they tend to have some kind of "rumble" most of the times, on the other side, Hs8's has a more linear response on bass/lo mids even tho are less pronounced than Krk's.
You cant judge the bass in these videos, youre hearing the room. Both have very linear bass. Look at the graphs they look almost identical because the room has such a huge effect on response.
@@sergeysmelnik To be honest, you can't scientifically judge what speaker is better or you eventually prefer because of mic frequency response, you're headphones frequency response, then your ears, and then the room. It's not only about the bass, it's about anything you hear on the spectrum, however, I didn't notice any "boomy" effects on other comparisons such as hs8 Vs tannoy gold 8, hs8 Vs Eris 8 xt or even hs8 Vs focals alpha 80. Maybe it was for mic positioning, maybe for the room etc Of course you should not make a decision to buy a speaker purely based on this video, or others. But at any case, if you follow this channel, you can estimate how his room sounds, more or less, and you can take an average of all the speakers he tried, and in this room, krk's sounded a bit boomy where Yamaha's did not.
@@piotr9914 That's not how it works. The question you should ask yourself is: which monitor is the best for my taste? Other than that, as the video shows, any monitor has it's own balance, if you're workflow is set to trying to compensate for what a single monitor lacks, then you don't know what mixing and mastering means, and your songs are going to suck. If I buy yamaha, and I start to scoop things around because they sound bright and crispy, then my mix gonna sound dark and muddy, if you boost stuff on a scooped monitor, you're gonna sound harsh like hell. The idea is to know how your speakers sounds like, which means that if your favourite songs sound scooped on the mids, or bright, then that's the sound of your monitor and you should base your mix around that reference.
@@alfrerock93 remember: it's not always wise to assume that you know better than someone else. Whatever you said right there, i can agree with mostly. I find KRK's best for EDM because it doens't have the same problems that T7V's and yamahas sometimes run into when all the frequency spectrums are filled when the mix is on full with limiter pushing the mix to the limit. Most audio engineers dont recommend mixing with a limiter on but on rokits i found it to work even better than mixing without the mastering plug ins. Rokits really can handle super loud and full mixes without issues. So anywyas, I was on the same page with you when you said which monitors sound the best all depends on taste. Mid high is known for boosting presence and a sense of the elements at that range being "upfront". One thing you might disagree with is that, I do think KRK are very versatile. If a monitor can handle EDM, it can handle most other genres. I can't say the same for T7V because the low mids almost had no information when the whole mix was running on that monitors. Some of myy instruments on my mixdowns that's done on the T7V were off by as much as 6dbs and I couldn't even tell. Rokits aren't perfect but my mixdowns were only off by 1dbs in the hats because they did have a boost on the tweeters. I can't guaranteed Yamahas can perform as well as the KRKs in EDM but I suppose it is extremely versatile as well. I can't guarantee that you can mix with a limiter on the master bus with the yamahas though.
Rockets by a hair. Heard both side by side at Guitar Center and preferred the Rockets (Before entering the store wanted to get the HS8). The Rockets changed my mind quickly. The sales person hooked up both from a cell phone music list. For Hip Hop the rockets are clearly better. The bass is tight and booming (imo no sub is required). For female vocals and classical music the HS8 is better but not significantly. My prefered genre is 80s and 90s music -- the Rockets sounded clearer with a larger soundstage. At the end of the day listen to them at your local Guitar Center. Plus the customization and cell phone app are a big benefit as well as the built in isolation pads are BIG benefits over the HS8.
I think the rokits give a more pleasant listening experience but are definitely not flat, the yamahas are far more neutral for mixing etc. while rokits may be misleading. That being said "Howling" sounds beautiful on the hs8s
In the real live , KRK R8 don't beat HS8 ,never! I have both speakers ,KRK are on the box only for to play in small parties 😁 Yamaha sounds much better!..i think only speakers in this size that sounds better than HS8 are Genelec, and cost 20 times more!
@@lelito33 I suffer a lot from ear fatigue, should I still buy yamahas? I can’t test them for 30 minutes at the store lol the rokits seem softer so would they work fine if I get used to them?
@kealand5448 yes I have Yamahas now and it took me 1 month of headaches to get used to them. I use them regularly now and don’t have the same issues, but I can’t use them at a loud volume (also because I have a small room) and for 2/3+ hours low volume without a break which is not bad tho. If you are sensitive like me (I HAVE to wear protection when I go to a karaoke or clubs) I wouldn’t recommend them as I would use them as a backup as soon as I make some money to buy some more neutral speakers… they are built in a way you notice things and that’s great but that’s artificial and harsh so in conclusion buy them only if you have money for a more smooth first pair.
@kealand5448 It really depends on your sensitivity, if you can’t stand being in a karaoke or a club without protection then I would not suggest these speakers to you. I would go to something less “artificial”, but if you keep the volume low and you take breaks you should be fine, I like a lot these speakers cause if you get used to them you can really hear the flat curve and mix well. It took me 1-2 months of headaches to get used to them tho. 😂
@@aaronbuckrell6505 Thanks! I'm not a fan of bright sounding speakers. I also like the idea of front ported plus all the DSP settings available at the back.
yamaha ftw. krk no where near better. i've heard these speakers side by side an yamaha clearly takes the win. i would say adam audio T series and yamaha hs series are top budget brands hands down. BTW I've owned krk 8s and 5s and the 10 inch krk sub and i sold them all and got yamaha hs8, hs5 & hs8s sub. Night & day Difference.
*¡Queridos amigos soy un novato en todo esto, ambas tambien funcionan para escuchar musica diario en alta fidelidad, o solo es exclusivamente para mezclas, masterizacion, etc. Gracias por ayudarme!*
son mejor que equipos Hi fi, la respuesta plana es un mito pues todo depende del tamaño de tu habitación, monitores de 8 pulgadas van a hacer huecos en las bajas frecuencias, y no escucharás como es debido
Hi thank you 4 the great comparison! For electronic music would the KRK Rokit 8 G4 be better or the KRK Rokit 7 G4 could be good too? For the bass I mean.. Thank you heaps!!! And generally, which one do you recommend for quality and price?
Thank you for your very interesting videos. Could you test entry level 2.1 systems like the Edifier M1380 or Creative Pebble Plus to see if this kind of system is suitable for listening music or if they are too bad for that? Sorry for my bad English ... I am French and I use Google Translate: P
@@DSAUDIOreview , could You help to to chose correct monitors for some electronic music? Also with some possibility with music production in future. BR Janusz
These HS8's appear to sound WAY better than the HS5's. Even the frequency graph shows them pretty close to the KRK's. I wonder if the woofer is made a bit differently than the lower models.
Larger woofers tend to produce less distortion than smaller ones, particularly at lower frequencies. The HS8’s do seem to sound a bit better than even the HS7.
The mics you're using now sound so much different than the built in ones in the Zoom H6.. so which one is more accurate? With the SE8's the recording is a lot more muffled.
i need help i want to get one of these for my living room, it's big and i just want to enjoy the music and movies, im not producer but i like the good sound, fall in love of the studio's recording. My living room has 8 x 12 metters, i have space for separate the HS8 of the wall, but my worry is the bass-low image stereo because the HS8 has the Low hole in the back, so in a big room without acoustic control, the KRK can be more directly and open because you hear them lows face to face? The HS8 might sound good open in the image stereo? i like his clarity in mid-range but if the bass stereo imagen will be a problem i don't want them. Thanks for who take the time to read me.
@@3rb275 i finally bought the Eris E5 (not the xt) and it sounds great for individual listening, but when i put them at side of a TV, they loss imagen stereo, this happens with all monitor studio of 5" , i think is the same with 8" because this happen by his design. Now i recomend to u to get and old minicomponent aiwa, jvc, phillips or sony, like Aiwa nsx-990 or similar, is the highest rms component of aiwa and can run tower sounds of 3 ways like Yamaha ns-55, this give u more sound stage, image at 3 mts of distance than a monitor studio cause they are building to close space. And the aiwa's components are cheaperr in marketplace of facebook, because many people don't know their power, if the auxiliar works, u can plug a signal from pc, and if u lookiong the manuals their hace 0.5% to 0.05% of distorcion, that is nothing! The speakers u can find with this are great construction. In the end, with my eris E5 i equalized the bass to +4Db because the sound flat is'nt funny to listen. so if u want to enjoy the music and movies, don't need a flat sound, u need a 3 ways to get powerful bass but a clear mid-high range. Explore the world of minicomponents from japam, they will not desapoint
interestingly enough, KRK's were many times closer to the source than HS8. HS8 sounds flatter than original source where KRK's held it more as original song.
in my area at least the hs7 and rp8 g4 are the exact same price. guess ima opt for the KRKs as they should be the direct upgrade without a price increase, right?
yeah i have never seen two speakers making the very same peaks...those graphs are showing his room. the graphs are so identical that they are showing your room more than the speakers themselves... may be is time for some more acoustic treatment. thanks for the videos.
the v4 s4 dont compare to the hs5s. Theyre higher end but dont play as deep. The hs5s compare to the rp5g4s. I would take the v4s4s and and rp5s over hs5s. Much better less harsh tweeter and warmer overall sound.
Greetings! Thanks for your reviews! Can you compare the Presonus Eris E8 XT with the Pioneer S-DJ80X ?! I have a Pioneer S-DJ80X, but I am annoyed by background noise, hiss without an audio signal ... I'm thinking of changing it to Presonus Eris E8 XT. Do they have background noise, hiss when idle ..?! And the comparative sound is interesting, of course)
@@DSAUDIOreview Thanks for your feedback! I pinned my hopes on Presonus ... (I didn't consider Yamaha at all - I didn't like the appearance .. But now I'll take a liking, thanks to you! And another question about the same noises from iLoud mtm? Or will Yamaha be better in this regard?
@@DSAUDIOreview Thank you very much!!! Just the Idea for you to create a rating of all the monitors you tested by the level of background noise...!) I think it would be useful for many people! Good luck to you!
I Think the KRKs go deeper and are warmer at 200hz with a more 3 dimensional sound. The Yamahas have more pronounced upper mids and are more analytical while sounding a bit more closed in. Both I would use happily.
@@AntonioBrandao that's what i do, and i have the krk 8 And another hifi system in the same room, and the krk are really lacking bass, maybe it's my placement of the krk's
Does anyone know what monitors would make a mix sound good on everything if mixed on specific monitors? I feel like that would be the best monitors for mixing and mastering
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HS8 Won!, they fit the Music Production Erra, they sound more clean & straight forward, they don't mislead. They are easier to hear mistakes in your recordings and they are a bang💯🔥!
I tested both in store with my friends and Yamaha HS8 is clearly the winner to our ears and Adam Audio A7x comes 2nd and all KRK speakers last on our list.
Hs has muddy mid and mid lows and krk has weak top end guy remember you cant come to any conclusions watching these videos i have both these speakers i would say krk has a brtter response but i cant deal withthe weak too end with that being said both these speakers are in the same ball park there pros and con = to a similar mixing experience still xan be done just a lil more annoying to do on them
@@iloveeverything4380 I would pick Adams AX7 the price range isn’t too high And the quality of the speakers outweigh the $700 price tag for each speaker