Kyle Learns the Storm Bowling Ball Layout System 

I have been trying to understand layouts for years and I learned more in this video than I ever have. Thank you!

went to buy a ball the other day, and Daniel would not sell me one until he watched me throw after receiving a ball I was waiting for from another pro shop. I have so much respect for someone that has their customers results based off their bowling style/form rather than just making a buck! I will see you next week to get things squared away. Kyle and Brad you guys are putting out great videos.

DANIEL ONE OF THE BEST COACHES AND NICEST PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS. VERY PROUD TO HAVE HIM AS A FRIEND

Man...this is probably the best video I've seen explaining layouts! Thank you so much for this!

The explanation how how the same layout will look entirely different based on PAP was outstanding. Nice work!!!

I'm an old guy and when I got really into bowling in the early '80's urethane was getting big and there were no exotic layouts, it was like an ounce of finger weight and an ounce of side weight, it wasn't rocket science. This explanation was the best one I've seen where I actually understood it. That tip at the end by Coach Daniel where he says don't over complicate your ball choices because of over complicating your layout choices. So good! Thank you so much guys.

This was probably the best and most useful video explanation of the VLS system. Thank you for this. Best fortunes this coming season Brad and Kyle.

Daniel Is a great guy, great coach and a great human being.

Thank you, Daniel (you too Kyle 🙂). I have watched so many of these explanation videos, but I always come back to your great explanation. Yes, I have watched this more times than I should admit, but this really helps me understand why some of my equipment has not performed as expected - like the 13/16" pin to VAL on one of my pieces.

This is a really good video.....really good. I've bowled all my life, and I'm old, and this is a great way to articulate the differences. It's not like I've asked all these questions before, but I know more about what to ask when I bug my pro shop next time :)

Once you get used to it VLS makes sooooooo much more sense. Especially after watching the 3 storm videos. They do an AMAZING job explaining what each number does. I'm an engineer so the physics are much easier to understand with VLS because it is clear what the core is going to, dependant on the measurement. One thing I do recommend is using 1 system. Trying to relate VLS to dual angle will complicate everything. There are some widely available excel arsenal spreadsheets that will convert VLS to dual angle and vice versa.

I've tried to understand the VLS system, but the dual angle one is easier for me. I'm a math guy, geometry especially and angle values make more sense to me.

Had to put it in a way my simple brain could understand haha Pin to PAP 1 1/2” Lays the core on its’ side (Control) 3 1/2” Puts the core at a 45* angle (Aggressive) 6” Stands the core straight up (Length) PSA to PAP (Spins the core) 2” (Control) 4” (Aggressive) 6” (Length) Pin Buffer 1” Increases diff. Hook phaze sooner. 4” Decreases diff. Hook phaze later.

You made me understand why my ball on my hyroad was drilled differently then my phase 3 and my electrified pearl. Thanks

Hey Brad, Kyle + Dan - Maybe you could have Daniel go through the 2LS system as well?

That was great. Simplified, bottom line, layman's terms. Kyle and Brad (lol), best videos for bowlers.

I don't want to be a shill but one of the best things I ever downloaded was called "Paddock Dual Angle". I'm not sure how accurate the conversions are from VLS to Dual Angle but would be interesting to know.

Awesome guys!!! Love this. ( ps, Daniel, I’ve increased my league average about 15 pins this yr, after your clinic down here)

Great info. I learned my pap a long time ago. Thanks for another awesome video.

Does your PAP change based on the ball and layout you throw? What about how your hand is used to manipulate the ball, does the PAP change then? If I were to go throw my ball to learn my PAP by looking at the track rings, how should I throw the ball, and how should I NOT throw the ball?

Wow great video I learned a lot !!!! I am just like Kyle … pin up and pin down .. from there I just make the adjustments in my game …

Thank you this was really very informative and so easy to remember explaint. I loved it. I think you cannot explain this any better

This was interesting, I'm not a Storm user, I don't dislike them, but I like Radical, Mo Pinel (RIP) designed the duel angle layout years ago and works for me. I do disagree with one thing, a short pin layout can work on aggressive balls with lighter patterns, for more hitting power at the pocket. For those into the tech of drilling balls nobody was better than Mo, he has a bunch of vids here. I love to learn the different thoughts of drillers and designers considering I started bowling in 1973 (7yo) with a white dot..

Cool tech bowling brad and Kyle

wow this is actually such a great video. I finally understand it now, thank you

Read my mind. The last couple days I have been trying to understand VLS.

Thanks for the explanation!!!

Can you do one of these for no thumb bowlers.

Best advice I ever got about proshop is that if they don't take to find your stats and watch you throw the ball just walk away. When I first started bowling I went to a shop and they just drilled the ball. It was awful and actually turned me off to bowling for a while because I was doing so bad. Started up again and went to a shop recommended to me and it has been eye opening to say the least and always get my stuff from them.

Thanks for the video, learned so much what each numbers means to the ball. Could we get another videos on dual angle and pin buffer systems?

We’ll explained vid nicely done guys

Known Daniel a long time, he's the best.

This is mandatory knowledge. Instead of Easter egging buying bowling balls impulsively it is recommended to learn the ball layout system. Recap: Pin to PAP: This determines the flare potential. Pin to VAL: This sets the angle 📐 on how the bowling 🎳 ball revs at the brake point. Low angle the ball will rev quicker; higher angle slower. PSA to PAP: Only pertains to asymmetric bowling balls. This measurement determines how early or late the bowling ball will hook.

Thank you, now I understand why I need a longer pin to pap... because I only throw it 13 mph.

Great video!! Thanks. I wonder if you might do a segment like this on Thumb Slugs, Finger grips, shoes and some possible other paraphernalia?

Very nice video! ,Still trying to learn on the layouts , I which Daniel could explain while marking on the ball , which line is this pap or pin line , pin up or pin down . I am going watch this video over and over till I get the picture. Thanks again.

After about 10 minutes, the pro shop guy started to sound like the teacher from Charlie Brown. 😂😢

My venom shock and panic are drilled identical to each other. Mid friction solid and purple on the shock and the panic is a mid friction pearl and coral color. If I need the same reaction but longer I go to my panic . And my venom cobra is same as my shock and panic pin in palm.

I understood now I want it in person and to compare with my dad

Best video on layouts and I’m still not fully there yet. The driller at my center won’t even consider choice. He never has me bowl, bring in the ball, and measure my PAP

The only thing I don't like about many layout systems is they talk about the VAL angle or distance from the VAL like the VAL is actually physically attributing to the ball reaction. It just defines where the finger holes take mass out of the core, and that is actually what affects the reaction. So a 2" pin to VAL for one bowler may not give the same reaction as a 2" pin to VAL as another bowler. Even though these are both 4 inch pin to PAP and 4" PSA to PAP, I bet they will give a different hook shape because of where the holes are taking the weight out of the core. Yes Pin to PAP and pin to PSA are the more important numbers for the ball reaction, but the pin (core) location to the ringer holes does change the angularity of the ball reaction. So I think it is really hard to compare reactions of layouts for different pin to PAPs.. but you can definitely know how a reaction will be different based on the numbers for a given pin to PAP.

Pin to PAP determines track flare, not when the ball will start to roll, with all due respect. Pin to PSA determines when the ball will start to try to roll. Pin buffer (pin to VAL) determines how quickly the ball changes direction (in general players are advised not to go under 2” on the pin buffer but sometimes it can be useful for certain players in certain situations).

Awesome video

great info thanx for sharing

Great advice thanks.

I’m thinking about buying the attention star ball. Would a layout 5x4x4- 2LS be good?

Great video

What if your positive axis point is the thumb hole?

6:50 Work the best possible at 2500 rpm on a car? Maybe for fuel efficiency but the power band (Peak Horsepower/Torque) is gonna be between 3k-5k in most cases.

I think its more common for the driller to give the bowler shorter pins because they don't know the PAP to start with, and then the bowler complains that the bowling ball is reading at the arrows and bailing the rest of the way to the pins

If my pap is longer 5/6 then what is it I'm suppose to change in order for it to hook sooner, when my pap isn't made for sharp hook?

Thank you for the informations... 👍👍

Thank you

This is a great video and I have done that same thing and asked for the same reaction. I wish the pro shop would have told me this when I was there 😂, but oh well.....quick question though, I have changed my shot dramatically and some bowling balls that I had with a 6 inch are now a 4 inch pin. If this happens, what would you recommend, re-drilling for better reactions? (Not so long in first angle, etc) or would you think that I should replace the arsenal with the new PAP if I have the $ to do so.

I know this is probably a really stupid comment/question why is that when you buy a ball and have it drilled most pro shops don't help a bowler find there PAP before drilling it. Or is that just something the Pro shops do for bowlers that press them for it.

Do you ever re-evaluate your PAP? Have you or any of the pro's you bowl with ever find that it has changed?

Eh, The angle system is easier for me visually to understand. My proshop guy can use both. Good vid.

3 balls, urethane, pearl sym, solid asym. 4 1/2 P to P, I like to change surface when i have to.

Do you always use the same pattern when drilling balls? also are all finger grips interchangeable? I see you guys pulling thumb pieces and switching it on balls sometimes…

Kyle...How do I get that t shirt...I love that!

What happens on a new ball that I can’t roll because ur has no holes yet?

Does the same apply to 2 handed bowlers? I order my balls from bowlerx and just have them drill 2 holes for me before they send it out to me so it’s basically random. Would you recommend me to buy it undrilled and go to my local pro shop guy to get it drilled for my specifications? Idk if this also applies to 2 handers.

I think I’m more confused now then I was before lol

What is best 14 lbs I need six . Speed about 16 mph rev challenge .Throwing heavy is not good for me had heart surgery.

My question is.... the layout numbers are so small (4x4x2) in your video, however, my layout numbers are so much larger (storm Phaze II = 30 x 3.75 x 20) what is the difference? How did my numbers become so large?

How do u find your pap?

How do you figure out the PAP of someone who never had their own bowling ball before? Lets say, they are joining a league and wants to have their first bowling ball.

is the math different for a person not using their thumb?

So my ball driller recently drilled out a ball for me, I know my PAP is 6 over and 1 up, my pin is like half an inch from my PAP. Ball never hooks until the lanes get fried. Is that why because it's too close to 0 inches?

Y'all need to do a pin up vs a pin down video next :) That can also affect ball motion in a serious way. Had one ball given to me that was already drilled, and it was pin down. I didn't mind it so much because I wanted to try a pin down. So, had it plugged and good to go. But my PAP is long (5 3/8 over 1 3/8 up), the PSA was below the thumb, and it just rolled like garbage. Way too late and didn't know what the ball was going to do most of the time. Found the same ball on eBay for cheap and drilled it normally ( pin up with a 4 inch pin) with PSA next to the thumb). Night and day difference. Got rid of the pin down ball and kept the pin up one.

It so much easier Kyle.

is the pin to vertical axis line measured perpendicular to the VAL?

Who won the giveaway?

I just say this where I like the pin at .

PAL is far superiour to the 2LS system HANDS DOWN #BOWLINGSCIENCE

Rhiannon Dubbo

Well at least know enough to be dangerous now! 🤣

its official....I'm a dumb ass!!!

The hard part? Finding someone to drill your ball that actually understands all this. I'm not sure I've ever had a ball drilled correctly.

This is why it costs $50 on up to have a ball drilled.

No!!!! Kyle!!!! You traitor!!! Haha jk In all honesty, learning drill layouts and how changing the numbers and how it changes your ball roll will really help you on your when the ball isn’t drive just the right way through the pins.

Clear as mud?? Bowling has passed me by.

Sorry but nope. More confused then before. Love your channel but it lost me.