La Squadra VS The Stardust Crusaders - Who Would Win? 

Overall if MR or SP get downed it’s basically over also I forgot to mention this the minute you are punching white album your hands will freeze and slowly break off basically meaning you can’t fight anymore

I can just imagine Polnareff screaming at Kakyoin about “I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WASN’T A MIRROR WORLD!?” during the man in the mirror fight.

Now that I think about it, Jotaro would be a good match up against man in the mirror. If you are in the mirror world, stands can still be controlled, as seen with purple haze. So theoretically, Jotaro could stop time while in the mirror. And since time stop affects the entire universe where time exists, Jotaro could just punch man in the mirror's user to death with his fists, which is entirely possible as CHILD Jotaro was able to beat the shit out of Alessi, so 17 year old Jotaro would destroy him. Sure he would have no way out of the mirror, but if the affects of the stand go away when the user dies (meaning Jotaro exits the mirror world) then he's a pretty damn good match up. Tl;Dr Time stop op as fuck

Illuso's best matchup is kakyoin. "There's no such thing as a mirror world."

A better question: how quickly could a team of Joseph(part 3), Jotaro, Josuke, and Giorno speed run part 5

The Grateful dead's worst matchup is Joseph because Joseph is basically immortal.

Illuso’s counter is iggy- he can make sand doubles & can be hard to see (it’s a dog) Also, if magician’s red hits white album with a powerful enough fire blast it will detonate. Since the suit is made from frozen air (correct me if I’m wrong) putting heat it it would cause rapid air expansion

Star Platinun and Magician's Red kinda carry the Crusaders

I think there’s a few situations where Joseph is a bad matchup, given hamon. He can essentially counter fish beach boy if needed and Joseph can actually just beat the shit out of illusio

I know this would probably not work, but I couldn't resist making this joke: Prosciutto: (has a Stand that rapidly ages you based on your gender and amount of body heat produced) Avdol (has a Stand that literally controls fire and is made out of fire to an extent) (sweats nervously in Arabic)

Question- could Joseph charge Beach Boy’s line with Hamon, the same way he does to Hermit Purple, and therefore damaging Peschi? Because he’s absolutely smart enough to think of doing it, and in fact I think you’ve underestimated how smart Joseph is as a tactician. Plus, it’s confirmed by Araki that his “Your next line is” thing was Hermit Purple allowing him to see the future for a moment, which if he ever stopped using it to dick around, could be absolutely huge in a fight, at the very least keeping him alive long enough to pull a counter to one of La Squadra’s members out of his ass

I feel like there's smtg missing that really changes the outcome of the fight, if this is a battle royale and its 6v6 then the crusaders have a massive advantage. Illuso and Ghiaccio hinder their team for obvious reasons while The Crusaders constantly work together to fight off stands that they don't know the abilites too. Not to mention Illuso needs a set up for his stand ability too.

Iggy would beat all of them he's stand is made of sand even darth vader fears it.

White album cant hurt kakyoin because his theme is some HEAT

Bro Jotaro easily claps every La Squadra member Jotaro: *So Mettalica is the same type of stand as Star Platinum...*

Magician’s Red could make the Grateful Dead kill all of its teammates by heating up the area. No way they don’t figure that out considering he’s probably fighting alongside Ghiaccio in a team fight. Since they’d definitely use his ice.

Stardust Crusaders win, La Squadra can't deflect the Emerald Splash

Even without his stand, Jotaro would destroy Illuso. It is said in his part 3 character page that he is a skilled boxer. On another note, I think a series of videos like this where one part’s protagonist team faces off with another part’s antagonist team could be very interesting.

I feel like a lot of these match ups forget that everyone in star dust crusaders are physically stronger then la squadra. Jotaro, polnareff, and Joseph would probably be able to beat man in the mirror without a stand.

*Polnareff gets the requiem arrow* Polnareff: its free real estate

Jotaro: so it’s all the same type of stand as star platinium. Squadra: OH SHI-

I feel Hermit Purple deserves more respect since while it isn't as strong it makes up for in how Joseph utilizes it like in tracking down other stand users or making a map of an entire town using ash from urns even being able to take information from others minds. It is for those feats i will always respect Hermit Purple ^^

Doesn't Avdol reveal a life detecting ability with Magicians Red before his death which he uses to find and kill the user of Tenor Sax? Couldn't the same ability be used to find Rissoto?

A thing that i feel that you are overlooking is that almost no one here has decent physical power.sure,their powers are amazing and have a lot of uses,but none,NONE of them seem to come even close to silver chariot and star platinum,so if they can manage to get into range it's a pretty big death sentence

I think you forget that Jotaro is also an excellent hand to hand fighter in his own right and if he’s sealed away from Star platinum he can likely still take illuso.

Avdol makes Grateful Dead unusable as a team stand. In fact they might even turn on him if he refuses to withdrawal his stand because Avdol would melt and any ice they could bring as well as speed up the aging to likely instant death.

We win because I date the enemies mothers and ground them from using their stands

I think Joseph might be a good counter for Risotto, ironically enough. Hes fought magnetism and he can also kinda predict the future lol

Why are Ghiaccio and Prosciutto not going everywhere together. Literally the only thing that negates Grateful Dead is cold so they could literally have the only method of avoiding the affect

I can’t give the win to La Squadra here because there’s so many abilities/strategies used by the Crusaders that weren’t mentioned at all, not to mention all the work-arounds there are for all La Squadra’s stands: For example, Avdol, Iggy, and Kakyoin can all counter stealth with their life seeking fire, sense of smell, and 20m barrier respectively. So if we’re giving La Squadra home field advantage and keeping all the fight locations the same, there’s no way Risotto, Pesci, Prosciutto, or Formaggio can hide from them. Next, there’s ways around Beach Boy and Grateful Dead (I’m considering this fight with the both of them together) Since GD’s ability affects friend and foe, Avdol can use remote fire attacks (his precision is so tuned that he can control his fire even when it’s underground which would make Pesci age much quicker. The Fool is able to shape shift to the point of making body doubles of people(which could also be used against Illuso). HG can do the same and even attack with its tendrils from multiple angles as seen in the Tower of Grey fight. Star Platinum can stop time and throw projectiles as well as phase inside of his own body to protect against BB. As shown in the fight, direct attacks will rebound against the attacker, but simply attempting to halt its progress/pull it out don’t . And there’s no evidence that SP couldn’t take the line out as the only time it was tried, is was by the physically weakest stand of Passione. Making these fights specifically 1 on 1 slants it even further in the Crusader’s favor. As for Illuso, as we saw with Giorno’s brick strategy, animated objects still affect the mirror world, the living part just isn’t visible or tangible there, so there’s an argument for Iggy being able to completely negg MitM (this is theoretical however). And if Jotaro got stuck in the mirror world, not only can he still affect the fight with SP from the outside, but he would definitely be able to survive Illuso’s attacks long enough to form a counter strategy-

Formaggio vs star platnuim would then equal small platnuim

I don’t know, I would say the crusaders will take the win on this one. Formaggio: With maybe the exception of Joseph, I would say he has a low chance of winning any fights. All of the stardust crusaders stands are ridiculously powerful with incredible destructive power, Formaggio really stands no chance against any of them. Prosciutto: He should have no problem with most members apart from Joseph. Joseph’s stand can help him locate Prosciutto and Hamon might be able to help him reduce the effects of Grateful Death. Pesci: His stand can be beaten by Jotaro’s time stop and Kakyoin’s, Avdol’s range attacks, Iggy might be able to take a win on this one if he can take Pesci by surprise . Ghiaccio: Avdol is a hard counter to Ghiaccio, so there’s that. Kakyoin might be able to hit him with emerald splash but unlikely, Jtaro can stop time and beat the crap out of Ghiaccio without beng frozen, Joseph can use hamon through Hermit Purple to attack from a distance, the rest is screwed. Illuso: Part from the Joestars, he shouldn’t have too much trouble. Jotaro however was beating people barehanded on a daily and even when he was a child he still won a fist fight. Don’t need to say much about Joseph, he would whoop Illuso’s ass. Risotto: Kakyoin and Iggy might be able to win, the rest not really. Jotaro is a bit 50/50 because of Star Platinum incredible sights and reflexes. If the fights plays out like an all v all, the chance is about 50/50, if La Squarda did like in the anime, they’re kinda screwed. Environment is also very important in this fights. Depending on the situation the outcome may change drastically from our predictions.

What about Beach Boy vs Joseph, imagine seeing an old ass man use vines to swing around and close the distance and maybe dodge beach boy lines + hamons always nice.

With Illuso, I think Joseph wins if he’s still able to use his Hamon to his fullest extent, as he can see Man in the Mirror

2:04 i can't resist now: Formaggio: Y'know what, fuck it *UnFires Himself*

Wouldn't Joseph win against Illuso, because he has hamon and don't need stand to use it? Would the Hermit Purple summon on Joseph because it is Hamon and connected directly to the body?

Overall a great video that suffers from a couple of assumptions that really skew the fight unfairly in La Squadra's favor: that MITM can lock away all Stands, and that Prosciutto is a benefit for his team. Let's start with the latter. Prosciutto's ability hits everyone--friend and foe--indiscriminately. This means LS would either need to make him an assassin-type fighter that very sparsely uses his ability to immediately defeat an opponent before being taken out himself, or they need to have Ghiaccio play support and ice people in between jabs at the Crusaders. They'd have to go with the former, mainly because the latter situation makes it a wash for the SC thanks to Magician's Red's flames and Kakyoin's intelligence. ...

Joseph is being massively underrated, throughout part 3 he was definitely weaker compared to the enemy but just through the clever use of his stand he was able to hold his own plenty well and came up with some big brain stuff. With that being said, yeah no hes still the weakest member of the crusader but in a team scenario he can supply plenty of good support

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Kakyoin is underrated 20 meter emerald splash is only countered White Album. They can’t really deflect it (no pun). His emerald splash was damaging DIO (the second fastest stand till part 6) he was getting overwhelmed. No La Squadra members are doing anything (White Album not included) once caught inside it.

Jotaro freezes time snaps everyone’s neck not even a challenge

I heavily disagree with this video as most of la squadra are too slow or too weak to harm the crusaders. White album only caught up to a car while star platinum and silver chariot are beyond light speed. White album got penetrated by bullets a bit so star platinum’s punches would break the ice. The others can’t do much else from here

Remember: Hamon is a ability that can spread throughout metal and other life forces. So it might not have a range to it. And Hamon is possibly as dangerous as a stand. So it might not lose any power towards it.

I think Jotaro, Polnerff, and Joseph with no stands could easily beat man in the mirror due to them be strong as hell. If they team in him he would be him to a blood pulp.

Stratedgey wise, SdC wins, because they do stuff in groups of two, where La Squadra goes out mostly one by one

Bro you literally said you would take note of the characters intelligence and personality. You just meajured the stands power

I think star platinum is a good match agains almost any stand, simply due to the ability to stop time. With training Jotaro could stop time forever, so he could probably go get lunch first, write a thesis on starfish, play baseball and then come back to finish the fight

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Honestly, star platinum can take them all on, when he stops time it stops time in which the ability's move and making him move at light speed, He also shattered dios skull so one punch from star platinum would be enough to kill every single guy here, he also has star finger which literally slices like a blade. Also against illuso even if his stand is outside the mirror couldn't he still stop time then beat the living hell out of illuso himself?

Me, I would win.

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Honestly Jotaro beats anyone 1v1, but a bloodlusted Risotto, who maybe can kill him before Jotaro can do anything. Risotto is by far the most dangerous enemy here, but even he can be countered by Avdol's cross or even Hermits Purple, that can pinpoint his location. Also Jotaro hard counters the mirror world, because he can still stop time and beat the the living shit out of him with his bare fists. Not to mention Joseph, who can still use Hamon. In a 1v1 Jotaro carries many fights, while in a Battle Royale of 6v6, Jotaro is again just extremely unfair to fight against. With Hermit Purple's and Avdol's cross, they can also easily locate enemies and crush them with Star Platinum, who easily washes everyone in a close quarter fight. White Album maybe puts up a good fight against Jotaro, but is still countered by Avdol and Kakyoin's range. Stardust Crusaders are favoured in my opinion. The only way the assassins win, is by targeting Jotaro first and get the jump on him with Metallica.

I don’t think Man in the Mirror would kill any of the Crusaders, they’re all fucking shredded combat experts from boxers to hamon users to Monks and swordsmen, I don’t think he’d be that effective

A few things I noticed in the analysis is that white album and greatful dead aren’t great for fighting enemies at the same time, while white album is freezing the air greatful dead can’t age the enemy. Not to mention while man in the mirror can trap you in the mirror world, it’s got a crappy user who feels the need to hinder himself to his opponents level and we know the stardust crusaders can take waaaaay more punishment. One final but minor point is that avdol and iggy both have ways of finding risotto with both smell and the heart beat director thing. As a team stardust don’t inherently counter each other’s abilities while greatful dead and while album can’t work together if they’re fighting an enemy close up.

Is this a battle royal? Or we switching the match ups with Golden Wind Crew? Because the second one is just kinda a lot of assumptions no one in La squadra can solo the SDC and no one aside from Time Stop Jotaro can solo La Squadra. It all depends on match ups

1. White album loses to avdol. 2. Metallica would probably legitimately lose to star platinum with time stop. If you think about it Star Platinum can see things precisely, he would notice him move, freeze time, Ora rush bada bing bad boom. You also heavily underestimate Joseph's hermit purple, despite him bring elderly he still has clairvoyance and can literally find an opponent from anywhere on the battlefield which would make the fight against pesci and prosciutto. Not only that but Joseph may be an MVP in a fight against prosciutto because of Hamon, it slows aging so if he did Hamon breathing while under the effects of the stand it would counter the aging to an extent allowing him to hunt him down and take him out. Give Joseph a bit more credit, hermit purple plus hamon is not something to be laughed at.

How bout la Squadra vs the 9 Egyptian gods or the morioh warriors vs the stone ocean gang

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The Crusaders would win because Star Platinum is the same type of stand as Metallica

Stone Ocean Gang vs La Squadra would be a fun matchup

Pesci gets smoked by Avdol due to Life Sensor and Crossfire hurricane.

Great video dude. Looking forward to the Guts vs DIO.

This is a dope match up. This is pretty much a raw power vs hax abilities battle

I honestly think that old man Joseph is under rated. He's by far the smartest Jojo and even with purple hermit being more of a intelligence gathering stand it can still be used in tandem with his hamon. But he's still out done by the rest of the crusaders sadly. Joseph best jojo

Kakyoin could hide somewhere then trap everyone in the 20 meter emerald splash.

You underestimate Joseph's ability to pinpoint locations. His stand is weak and incompatible for fights, but he has the highest chance of beating Risotto in a fight as he can just find out his location using Hermit purple and Hamon after Jotaro and Polnareff blitzed out everyone other than him

as far as I remember, the only 2 people that actually deflected the emerald splash were Dio and Jotaro, and they could both stop time. the only reason Jotaro could stop it is because he stopped time but didn't realise it at the time. I think that Kakyoin could take on pretty much everyone in la squadra

Jotaro is actually amazing against MITM because he can still fight without star platinum. He beat the shit out of alessi as a CHILD. Also joeseph, because he has hamon and while it's more effective against vampires, it's still useful. edit: So is MR because it creates and produces fire, something that isn't alive. Ergo, it appears in both the real world and the mirror world. Huzzah.

Silver Chariot hard counters White Album with it being a piercing stand and White Albums defense more coming from bulging type of attacks like Punches. Also Jotaro can still stop time in Man in the mirror world and just beat the shit out of the user there. Grateful Fead would still be problem but one they could over come reamber no one on Burnos team had any type if way to deal with that ability either and still beat him so it's not THAT hard. Overall I'd give the edge to the crusaders mainly La Squadra goes one by one not in a ground like the Crusaders like in part 5.

Pesci with beach boy: fishes men Jesus would like to know your location

I just have two things I wanted to add. The biggest advantage Man in the Mirror has is that it separates you from your stand. A similar thing happened to Jotaro during the Set encounter, and he was reduced to a child, and despite that he still won. In this one you have a prime age Jotaro. Also I'm fairly certain timestop would affect the mirror world too so Jotaro would probably have advantage against man in the mirror. Secondly Silver Chariot is covered in removable armor/made of some sort of metalic substance, so I feel metalica would have an advantage against it, not the other way around. That's just my opinion though

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Jotaro uses time stop the end

The only stand that is gonna give the Crusaders a disadvantage is White Album because as you said yourself Hermit Purple is great for information gathering. So they would get the information that they need ice. As for Man in the Mirror don't you forget that all or almost all Crusaders are strong even without their Stands (look for example at KID Jotaro vs Alesi). In addition Avdol could just launch fire at La Squadra and make then hotter, making Greatful Dead backfire. Last but not least don't write off time-stop as that much of a push-over. If the enemy gets within some range (way more than 6 meters since within time-stop Jotaro can run to the enemy or launch himself) he is dead: time-stop and ora-ora-ora. Not even White Album can protect you from Star Platinum's punches.

Ironically jotaro can take off a spreading heat stand called yellow temperature but not some cool looking ice 😔

I would say, that if Ghiaccio decided to target Jotaro it would be a dead sentence for him, maybe even Silver Chariot. He's strong, but Giorno was able to be a threat just by punching him. If Star Platinum lands a hit on him is game over. EDIT: Yeah, in a all vs all, La Squadra could defeat a lot of people, even Bucciarati's gang arguably. However if the Crusaders were going through the same situations as the passione gang, I'd argue they would also pull on through.

Imagine they all just get stuck in the mirror world forever, that would be a very anticlimactic ending hah

You can clearly see with this match up the evolution the stands had over the years, it's nice to go from simple and basic stands to the more complex ones that use strategies as well as their powers

It's important to note that during their fight, Risotto wasn't trying to kill Doppio, he was trying to get information on the Boss. Only at the very end, when Risotto discovers Diavolo's identity, does he actually try to kill Doppio, but when he is about to do so he gets shot by Aerosmith. Also, arguably Risotto never used his full power, since the only moment his stand aura and stand fully manifest, to kill Doppio, he gets shot. Given what we've seen from Risotto, nothing is stopping him from just creating razors inside someone's brain or heart, meaning he can probably one shot anyone.

Iggy makes Risotto and Gently Weeps visible.

I like how the world would be practically destoryed if diavolo never found the arrows

I hope you did not forget about Josephs hamon. old Joseph does have it.

If you think about it la squadra wins this matchup in a landslide, just because of man in the mirror. Illuso can actually chose to bring stands into the mirror world as well. he could just bring in the crusaders as well as la squadra but also bring in all of la squadra’s stands. This basically means that the crusaders have to fight standless. Any of la squadra’s members could take out all of the crusaders if they were standless so it’s basically a free win. Even if jotaro could stop time in the mirror world, he wouldn’t be able to kill all of the members of la squdra before his time stop ran out so they stand no chance (and that’s assuming he could even get up to giaccho without freezing to death).

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To be honest, i think joseph does well against illuso, for a number of reasons. First is thst hermit purple doesnt seem like the kind of stand that can be separated from the user, as it comes from them specifically. Its a stand generated from hamon. But even if it could be seperated, joseph's hamon would be a massive advantage to use as a weapon against illuso, since it gives him further range and speed without a stand. Therefore, joseph would probably body illuso. Edit: also someone else pointed out that his hamon would be good against white album by conducting hamon through the ice. Really none of the other members besides magicians red could attack into him, but using magicians red is too risky due to grateful dead. Basically, dont underestimate hamon+hermit

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I hope Jotaro’s heart is ready, he’s gonna be stopping time A LOT in any scenario where the Crusaders win.

I think it really depends on the context of the environment. If we’re talking an open field for a flat out brawl, then the Crusaders likely have the upper hand and would win. If both groups were dropped at opposite ends of a city and were both told “there’s six stand users, go kill em” with no other information, then it might be a bit more even.

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The emerald splash is devistatingly powerful but it's just that everyone he shot it at was just.... well they where so strong they couldn't care less.

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the idea that sp is light speed is pretty goofy when josuke said he can punch at like 180mph

la squadra as a team is so busted, they could have every member of la squadra in Illuso's mirror world with their stands, have illuso slowly take all of their enemies into the mirror world and then they would be at the complete mercy of the rest of la squadra. even then, giaccio and proscuitto could utilize their stands to just kind of have la squadra be cold and outlast any other group while they slowly age and decompose. honestly the chemistry in the group makes me want some kind of part part 5 AU where la squadra is the main cast and they find and take over passione on their own.

I haven’t heard anyone talk about this, but Magicians Ref is a hard counter against Grateful Dead. Grateful Dead isn’t precise with its ability, it will hinder its own team mates. Magicians Red has precision, so Advol could just greatly heat up the area around La Squadra and only La Squadra.

I wanna say that Star platinum can increase his range with throwing something using his power and precision similarly to part 4 Jotaro did but maybe this time although his attacks won't be a total kill at least he could deal with the Grateful dead I mean he threw Iggy at N'doul during the fight and he threw Iggy from far away For man in the mirror is very situational because since you have Joseph he would be able to warn the others to not get close to a mirror

Man in the mirror can easily kill jotaro”- my friend Jotaro who beat somebody that is litterally an adult when he was a fucking child: *y o a n g e l o*

Also, Jotaro could easily clap Man In The Mirror, because he's no slouch, dude was beating people up badly before getting Star Platinum. Jotaro is still a really good boxer without SP, he could take Man In The Mirror on, it's gimmick is it takes away stands, its at most slightly stronger then the average joe, and Jotaro claps average joes.

imo the ideal scenario for joseph would be he get pulled through a mirror so his opponent assumes he is defenseless and he is able to get close for a hamon attack thats about it

It would be funny to see Illuso's reaction if he accidentally brought Iggy's The Fool into the mirror dimension because Iggy made it take the form of one of the other crusaders, like how he made it look like Dio