Labour Wins Massive Majority On Low Vote Share, Gaza Costs Starmer |  

I disagree. They want the left wing which is why the Conservatives are failing.

@@jacquelineleitch7050I disagree with your disagreement

@@jacquelineleitch7050Keir Starmers Labour isn’t left wing

@@Ayat78 they are

​@chaserseven2886 not anymore! They are more centre right. True left is corbyn. Keir is a wolf (Tory) in sheep (Labour) clothing

After 14 years im too weary of this fiasco to celebrate the Tories packing up.

Corbyn‘s intensifying of majorities in Northern red wall seats in 2017 did fuck all for actual political change beyond a Tory-DUP CS agreement. I really admire Corbyn, but the efficiency of the Labour vote this election and the use of tactical voting in Labour and Lib Dem target seats is commendable and comparing raw vote totals between different elections with different turnouts is not exactly representative.

it was not about policy it was about punishment

Winning an election is about understanding the electoral system you’re operating in. Labour knew it didn’t need massive majorities in a few seats, but slim majorities in many. It did that, and it won. There’s no point stacking up votes in cushy left wing constituencies if you let the tories into power

They need to make a lot more consumer data protection and privacy policies and legislations to sort out these big tech companies. As well as sort out everything else that desperately needs sorting lol

Absolutely 100%.

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

Exactly. It's just 2 names for the same party. People need to wake up.

Exactly what I have been saying all along. Absoluttely NOTHING will change. We are truly doomed. DWP sanctions willl still continue killing thousands. Homelessness will still go through the roof. We will still have the lowest state pension in Europe. And the low-waged, the poor, the sick and disabled will still be targeted to the point of their deaths. No. Nothing has changed.

This line is incredibly boring now, let’s see what actually happens. Be thankful we don’t have a fascist devisive Tory party drunk and asleep at the wheel.

Almost bloody did!

Writes in The S*n and gladly accepts bribes (I refuse to call them "donations") from blokes in private health care. What a guy!

It was so dang close too

Can someone explain the hate about Wes I’m seeing everywhere ? I read up on his profile. Working class east London background, hates the Tories for how difficult they made life for single families as he grew up, ran the National Union of Students, survived cancer, was very critical of Starmer in his early days. Bold aims for improving access to NHS services and improving waiting times, but admits it needs modernising.

Yes me too

There's a reason for the model you use in the UK, and that is 4 distinct nations with unevenly located populations. In the proportional model, Wales, Scotland and NI wouldn't even need to bother with voting, simply because England has the largest proportion of the population, so whatever they vote for, would win every single time.

Two part DEMOCRACY 🤣

@@frusia123Labour demolished SNP in Scotland and Plaid in Wales. These are national elections where the election is for the entire country, not the regional elections in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Polls have overwhelmingly shown the public wanted the Tories out and wanted Labour in to achieve that. That is what happened. Democracy has worked, the voters got what they wanted

@@frusia123 well apart from me believing scotland should be independent, because the stats show them not as reactionary as parts of england with similar deprivation (but how long will that last when there's a cost of living crisis?)... I don't think that's an argument against PR. you can either say that you believe in "democracy", or you can admit that bourgeois "democracy" has it's many negatives and sometimes you have to limit it in someway to stop fascists/billionaires funding these fascists. sometimes maybe allowing all major news to be run by a few select billionaires means that it isn't a fair election when the news is bought up. so then, why even pretend that elections in the UK are the answer? workers can't actually get genuine power from these elections, but we try to justify the sham. then the fact that even if someone good came in (like corbyn), and somehow survived the coup attempts, the bloodbath, and avoid his own party stabbing him in the back - the fact that all that work towards improving inequality can just be undone after 4 years is so backwards. we don't vote on every single policy. we don't have mob rule. you shouldn't be allowed to democratically allow slavery if a majority of people ended up voting for it at one point. nevermind that studies show that the average person has basically no influence on policies, so why do we keep doing the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different outcome? why do we invade countries when they haven't democratically elected us? there are a lot of people influenced by the west, but they are not allowed a vote because we pretend power ends at national borders.

Wanted Fienstein to win

did labour get more votes under jeremy corbyn in 2017? or did i get that wrong?

What would any ‘right wing media’ try to hide the fact that starmer had a massive drop in popularity?

​@@normankennith79192017 yes

@@normankennith7919 you are right. The reason Labour won this time was because the tory vote collapsed not because they are popular.

One of the best results of the night.

So, you supported them when they adopted neoliberalism under Blair and continued with Miliband? You do realise that's why they were able to undermine Corbyn?!?

Why did the Greens stand against Corbyn?! And why hasn't the very pro-Green NM mentioned this?

I find solace in Corbyn getting more votes than Starmer. I hope you can too.

⁠That’s because of turnout and tactical voting. The Labour vote falling in Lib Dem target areas is an indication that people want electoral reform, not that Starmer is less popular.

Exactly

I think you going see some changes this time.

Totally agree with you. I may be politically a bit naive (very naive!!!), but I'm thinking that even with the electoral system 'stacked' in Stalin Stammerer's favour, labour are going to continue to haemorrhage supporters the length and breadth of the country. He really is bad and in no way any kind of leader. And in 2029 they will be given the boot. In his winner's speech, he could not remember a single, solitary sentence without looking down at his notes. Utterly shocking...

@@thestudentcafe So your telling me that your party lead this country? What leadership are speaking off Boris Johnson party during Covid? Rising gas prices, and food prices. Tory mp Jacob Rees-Mogg constantly denying problem with UK custom borders.

@HellBot-gi5si BJ was not in any way, shape or form, a leader. He is no more than a double glazing salesman. Jacob Rees-Mogg, his sidekick. Blair's Government sowed the seeds of death for the UK and thereafter, Tory government, made up of 'beige', talentless career politicians with no intention of addressing any of the critical issues that affect Joe Public. I have never been a supporter of the conservatives, nor labour. It is time for real change. Reform, for me is the way forward...

What is the point of the Lib Dems

Starmer is like a boring football manager who's team plays defensively and nicks wins 1-0. Corbyn is like a manager who's team plays wonderful attacking football that everyone enjoys, but loses 6-5

Why would reform have more seats than green if they both won 4 seats?

Thank goodness for first past the post if it means Reform is restricted to 4 seats over 93. Thank goodness!!!

@@laffietaffie Nope, it's bad news. Stifling people's voices never works out well in the long-medium term. Many Reform voters are people with a grievance, that feel unlistened to - this gross inequity will just feed that. If you want to stymie Reform and the strain of politics it represents then you need to attack the reasons that it exists and spreads, rather than try to stuff it back into the jar. No that doesn't mean just doing what they want - it means recognising that inequality, a sense of injustice and being left out are what drives people towards these positions.

Jess Philips and her tram was subjected to a non stop stream of lies, hatred and vitriol from the nasty poisonous left

Can you elaborate? What's your beef with Jess Philips exactly?

@yufers She stabbed Jezza in the back and clapped when we lost GE19 therefore giving us another 5 years of Tory hell

@@azami123 stop making excuses Jeremy Corbyn was the reason Labour lost twice. The guy has no political strategy

blame the greens for leannes loss

Peace is always a disaster for war profiteers.

He is protestor that achieves nothing A cultist like Farage or johnson

we can dream, im ready for it.

Political Green is the favourite colour of the Uni-Party, BlackRock, the Oligarchic Clique (cult), etc. Have you not noticed that yet. I’m ex Greenpeace - but would never trust a political greenie.

A bunch of protestors achieving nothing Corbyn should retire

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv cobyn got more votes for labour in both the elections he was leader than starmer got. Don't think he's going anywhere

Maybe JC should be consistent t on his position and make Palestinians appease Israel

Only increased share because lower turnout, as they didn't inspire. Their vote counts were lower, despite a larger population.

@@ChrispyNut A wide but shallow victory.

That's a bit like saying that the winning football team didn't really win because the opposition gave a bad goal away. Its the result that counts. People wanted the Tories out and Labour were the best bet for government out of what was left.

@@Dantianblue Analogy is meaningless, Football is a silly sport with little meaning, this is politics and the looming problems and consequences of continuing to not address catastrophic for our entire species.

​@@DantianblueOf course people saw labour as the alternative but only few more as compared to 2019. Had it not been for reform splitting the conservative votes the result could have been at best a dead heat or at worst an outright victory of Tories again.

You’d think Kier was flying the planes and dropping the bombs Ridiculous comment

No, just endorsing shutting off water and medical supplies. We pay for those bombs​@@waynereid9471

How's the cricket pitch in prison imran?

@@joeegg90 when you get used to the bad pitches nothing can stop ya.

So the Tories were pro Palestine? Been asleep long?

46:26, wow Greens coming 2nd in 44 seats, I didn't know that. So with PR and a the Single Transferable Vote, the Greens would be picking up more seats that does indeed the proportion of 44 in my post above.

To be fair, neither were Jim Callaghan and Gordon Brown.

He was elected by his constituents. Leaders are chosen by their parties. That's just the way it is, I'm afraid.

Also David Cameron

@@ianmackillop1774they were British ....

@@davidalderson4980..........well things we don't like will be have to changed I'm afraid...

Keir Starmer is prime minister of the U.K. not the Middle East Calling for a ceasefire will make diddly squat difference to Netanyahu

A ceasefire has been the Labour position for months. Starmer's biggest error was a clumsy radio interview that he should have immediately clarified.

Ofcourse not, he's totally embedded with Friends of Israel and will no doubt be sending even more arms

​@@RobinHarris-nf4yvIt will make a huge difference to the dynamics of this situation , it's portrayed position within main stream media and in more practical terms a ban on the export of weapons and components would send a huge message to Netanyahu and his cohorts especially as after the UK blocked UN process to issue war crimes warrants for this murderer...

@@timbob1627 “sends a message” So in other words it makes zero difference

It’s a good thing, they will have to try harder. The Palestine-Gaza issue unseated several MPs that would have been in the cabinet, they can’t ignore that in the same way they can’t ignore Reform.

No it wont

@@DiegoFuego87 Centrists dont "try harder", they will just sit around and complain about the others, until they inevitably fuck up and people flock to them again.

My thoughts exactly 💯

Left independents and Greens got hardly any seats You are barking like a mad dog Labour just won 412 seats. That’s the big story

reform only got 5 seats, but a big vote share that cost tories their seats. you can expect the right wing to unite stronger than before next election... that is the part that's not good. and with maybe 4 years (if he lasts that long) of starmer austerity, can you imagine how much more reactionary people will be in the UK? with a possible cold war or war with china on the horizon? god help us lol. but yeah, good about corbyn - but why didn't he try to start a bigger party ages ago?! he held onto hoping labour would let him back in again for too long! a chance squandered!

Scummy labour would rather have a Tory win rather than let Lianne.

she would have won if thr greens hadn’t siphoned off votes

They're best mates. He used to co-host all the time

Owen Jones worked hard as Ian Duncan Smiths campaign manager. Well done Owen for getting a Tory over the line

This is, very much, accurate. This frustration is harvested by the fascists, as was always the case. Non stop lying, scape goating and easy (non) solutions will always work on a good chunk of the population. Rarely among the reading part though, which is why the educational system must always be defended against the neoliberal fascist plant school.

Strongly disagree. There is frustration with neoliberalism. But many parties are opposed to it. But the far right is reaping the benefit. Not the left. Because of its ideology, organisation, campaigning, and having lots of dark money behind it. Including media support.

Yes Owen worked tirelessly as Ian Duncan Smiths campaign manager and it’s paid off, he won his seat. Well done Owen you have put the politician responsible for the most toxic benefits system back into politics

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv the fault is The Labour Party there, not Faiza.

Labour could only win by avoiding Tory traps. Now it is in it will have to deal with what it faces, no doubt with tax increases

She shouldn’t have run as a candidate … they should have focused on getting rid of Emily Thornberry … but they didn’t bother

I love watermelons to - green on the outside red on the inside

​@@Gudha_Ismintisvote swaps work

​@@Ayat78 vote swaps are up to voters not parties

@@crhu319 actually not

Something quite vile about Wes Streeting. Something quite saintly about Leanne. After 5 years of decimating and privatizing the NHS I hope Leanne has another go at unseating him.

Yes you are gutted the supporters of Hamas didn’t win

on the bright side, at least people might wake up a bit that you can actually get indepedents elected with barely any campaign money. she was very close, i didn't even know about her until after the election. she will do better next time if she tries again. although i wish people would give up on believing elections under this "system" are the way

Apparently they are going to reform and have a vote on their leader heir farage

I mean, I'm curious to see what Farage does when he's clearly itching to go join his buddy Trump in America. People forget, he didn't want to be a part of Reform while Trump was in competition, it's only when Trump got convicted he suddenly jumped in as his gravy train seemed to bee disappearing. Of course, it didn't disappear, and now Trump's set to win, yet Farage has now shackled himself into Westminister.

I don't know the ins and outs but it seems fundamental wrong to me.

It's not really clear but don't think the corporate structure is particularly important. It basically just means Farage has carte blanche over policy while party members have no power, whereas other parties have their own constitutions which work in their own ways, each of which confer different levels of power to the members.

@@matt69nice I am thinking more when it comes to areas such as expenses or donations and the related tax implications. Also, are their MP's independent contractors or employees ?

PR will never be introduced in this country.

The only places that use it are us and British ex-colonies it sets in motion quite a large change, I doubt it will ever happen.

PR as in Proportional Representation? I don't vote anymore regardless, don't trust any of them.

​@@wleon4068That's because in the PR model, Scotland, Wales and NI wouldn't get any representation whatsoever. England has the largest population, so they would out vote everyone else every single time. PR can work for countries that comprise one nation, or perhaps several nations that are even in terms of the population.

If you don't vote then you have no right to moan XD

Totally agree, more visionary than many policies.

Labour will not implement PR or give votes to 16/17 year olds.

A massive influx of working class MPs happened yesterday It’s the most working class govt ever

You'd need to explain exactly what you mean by 'PR' as the term encompasses different voting systems, one of which was AV, which was rejected by the public when voted on in 2011.

Massive win for Labour Keir is obviously a very very clever tool.

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv i'd rather one of his dads 10mm spanner's

PS Latest figure (BBC) is Labour 35%.

I'm interested in how the independents handle their representational responsibilities and what stances they take on issues other than Gaza.

Yeah lots of supporters of Hanas terrorism came out of the woodwork

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Hanas ? Clearly you are not a supporter then lol

If you like endless bias from middle class post graduates

That's probably why so many postal votes were "lost"

No, that’s Corbyn

B-lair the the prince of darkness Mandelson and big business are the real drivers of the Starmer the inept tool

​@@RobinHarris-nf4yv no, that's war criminal Blair

People are disillusioned with Tories so huge section moved towards the Reform. So conservative votes split and this benefitted the labour. The mere 2% increase in labour vote share shows people in general were not inclined towards it , but since right wing votes were split , labour benefitted immensely from it.

'They didn't gain a significant number of seats.' Labour gained 214 seats. What are you talking about?

Right, imagine if reform stood down and let the tories have a straight run at labour. ​@@reconquistahinduism346

​@@40yearoldvirgil15but reform was voted precisely because people thought Tories are moving away from their core agenda and principles. Also people found Tories to be arrogant and corrupt. If Tories can improve and sort things out , reform will be out by the next election. Todays victory is a negative vote against the Tories more than a genuine vote for labour. Negative votes do not last longer. If labour does not deliver , people will be angry within one year or so.

Could see the greens doing what reform did to the tories at this election in 2029

What alternative do you propose? AV was roundly rejected by the public when they had a chance to vote for change in 2011.

@@anonnymous4684 Nobody's fault, but I think that was almost the exact worst time to have that referendum. People are more clued up now, the political landscape is far more diverse and established and I think this result more than ever shows the need for a change. Personally I prefer the STV system used in Northern Ireland as it preserves a constituency link, is the most proportional in terms of what it delivers and allows for a wider choice of candidates helping to break the big parties' stranglehold.

Yeah, I'm strapping in, can't wait.

If they ever manage to get into the "Young Conservatives" like they have been trying too & close the channel down then you might have to find something else to watch. If ever there was a bunch of "rich Kids playing Politics on RU-vid" then its Novara Media.🤣

I thought he was being sarcastic 😂😂

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Though we've yet to decide on one which would serve the electorate better.

Every section of society can be poorly educated when it’s comes to polotics. What percentage of the upper class actually vote, they don’t need to vote, the rich can ride out the crashes in the economy.

You can't argue with stupid 😂

​@@silondon9010 you know we're in a climate emergency right? We NEED The Green Party...

You wanted five more years of Rishi then.

No one cares about Reform voter, they are hated by the entire country.

FPTP has been around for years but now it’s dangerous?🤔🤔

@@waynereid9471 Chess is dangerous, because white always moves first.

​@@waynereid9471Labour, Lib Dems and Greens played to the FPTP system.

@@waynereid9471They hate that Labour won because they wanted to stew in Opposition forever as purists instead of effecting actual potential societal change. These people seem to think that ministers like Angela Rayner are going to set back while Labour apparently do nothing, even though it is in noone‘s interest for this to happen and Labour‘s cautious campaign surely indicates that they’ve probably got more ambition than is let on.

Reform, 4 million votes, 4-5 seats.

​@@jamiekelly7280 I'm torn. On the one hand, being a proponent of proportionate representation, Deform should get more seats. However, their politics are a direct threat to democracy.

Such a 'disaster' that he's now prime minster.

AI wrote it.

@@Ichioku Certainly sounds like it. Do you think Starmzy is a Cybocrat from the future?

I think it's a line from Kate Chopin's The Awakening.

you can have a wash now

:(

But they won't stand a chance unless you vote for them. Cleft stick?

I tactically vote. So I vote for any party that keeps the Tories out in GE.

Unfortunately that's the case in democracy, the majority wins. But the only other alternative is not having a say at all.

@@frusia123 laughably untrue

One person one vote no seats

There's no such thing as a 'supermajority' in the UK. I think you're referring to a 'safe' seat.

He did have some positive achievements though.

Millions dead in Iraqi illegal war. He is a horror.

@@TessTearoe-zp5xv he was sort of blackmailed into with 9/11 fervour. Did lots of great other stuff.

@@joso7228 One thing 🇨🇦 got right was our Prime Minister kept us out of the Iraq as the UN did not sanction the Iraq War. Unfortunately he did not keep us out of Afghanistan, which was equally hideous. 20 years of war to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. The war machine profited! It is my opinion Blair did profit from the Iraq War. Millions died and the sanctions against Iraq were estimated to have killed 500,000 children their lives, Madelyn Albright when asked was it worth it said “absolutely yes”. You notice that it’s the West always in other people’s countries which causes death and destruction of infrastructure and subsequently you have small boats crossing. Cause and effect.

Yes, I'm sure you' have preferred another five years of a Rishi-led government.

If their vote share went up, adds more pressure to labour..I thought/felt Jeremy would win..

Election system literally forces them to in various ways. Greens tend to run hard against enemies and only try to get policy promises out of friends. The best ones advocate vote swaps.

Corbyn won't go on forever. The greens want to be in pole position when the time comes that he steps down, so that it doesn't just go straight back to labour. They need to build up that core support in the constituency. Corbyn didn't need any favours to win anyway.

Because the Greens are useless oppurtunists and a dead end for the working class.

I honestly think it took more votes from Labour than from Jeremy. It's a good thing she stood.

That is the the truth This channel makes out the greens won power

Don't mention-gazza-but-ukraine-is-ok.

@@thetruth-loveitorhateit7999 Where were all these brother muslims when the Uyghurs were being ethnically cleansed? I guess they were not brown enough to count.

Also silent on the genocide in Sudan. Pure hypocrisy.

@@mrmajeika6101 I'm disabled, in the uk. Not only where, were everybody, but where are, everybody in outrage at consecutive governments attacks on us. Every one is I'm alright Jack. If there's no money in it for them then this is what takes place. Always money for divide and war from the tax laundries. Perhaps I should have mentioned that in my 1st reply. But yt removes these things, and possibly this as well. So I may copy it.

Well Corbyn won & some Labour candidates lost bc of their stance on Gaza. So the issue did matter.

Might be easier to put pressure on your local MP instead, so that pressure is better transmitted on to Starmer.

Northern Ireland??? Anyway it would be better to see less of the sectarian vote in the 6 counties and more independents.. but as with the UK, people are sheep. Unfortunately the tribal vote isn't left 😢

@@darwin6267 Your unwillingness to accept the name is in itself sectarian. I am from a republican area in North Belfast but I am intelligent and culturally confident enough not to be threatened by names or symbols. That is how you stop sectarianism !!

If Sinn Fein wants to talk to the government, they should come to the HoC and represent their consequences instead of boycotting

@@robertmaslin3844 As I stated the level of representation in Westminster makes Northern Ireland an irrelevance. Further to that Sinn Fein has since its formation considered Britain an occupier and its parliament a foreign one; that hasn't changed and neither should their stance in my opinion !!

Exactly. I'd already decided to vote The Green Party this time, knowing it was safe in light of the polls, long before Owen Jones advised it. Loads of us came to that conclusion ourselves 😊

It’s a cerulean blue and I would probs say it presents on the screen close to the rust oleum cerulean chalky finish wall paint or little knights Cerulean Isles.

tiny joke from a tiny little girl

@@Gudha_Ismintis that a tiny mind can't take.

@@Gudha_Ismintis Bjp's are crying because their man Sunak has been humiliatingly dismissed from power.