One of the funny things is, the biggest reason cats were used instead of humans is because the artist wanted to have more expressive faces, and with the cats, the wider grins and bigger eyes felt more natural than if they'd been on human characters.
@@RoamingTrend I think there's some validity to it, too. I mean, the expressions in Lackidaisy are great; the malicious grin Rocky gives when he sees who owns the Quarry, Freckle's drastic shift from meek and calm to gun-mad triggerman; I feel like both would be less expressive on a human character; or at least wouldn't have that same oomph.
I find lackadaisy a great show,i like the way Tracy is able to make mature jokes without using excessive swearing,the animation also reminds me of old disney's animation along "cats don't dance",the best example of a show that be seen by everybody regardless of age (but hey,it's just my opinion)
@@RoamingTrend Exactly,even by minor details we can see The passion tracy has for her artwork through all these years,she reminds me a lot of betsy lee,you should talk abt her too someday,Her work has been going unoticed for 10 years already
@@DragonEnthusiast709I have been having this idea of a Tom & Jerry crossover with this Show but only with Tom and any other cat character such as Butch Toodles and Lighting
Many writers don't understand the importance of simplicity. Trying to subvert traditional writing conventions has way too high of a chance to fall flat on its face. It's okay to stick to "stereotypes," even if it might make the characters "simple." It keeps the characters from feeling the exact same, or just generally underwhelming and uninspired, by trying to subvert these tropes. It's okay if something isn't something a brand new experience with never-before-seen character identities, just focus on making it engaging. Also, trying to change the tone every ten seconds isn't a good idea. If you want action scenes to be taken seriously, the gravity of the situation should be at the forefront, and not interrupted by a wacky-zany character doing a wacky-zany thing. Keep that consistency, and allow the viewers to trust that the rug won't be pulled from under their feet.
I see what you're saying on a lot of the video, though I would personally disagree with some of the ideas. I think someone else in the comments had a similar thought to me in that calling this "furry writing" feels unnecessary or inaccurate. I feel like calling it indie writing would work better, since many of your points tied into other indie animations more than other "furry" works. I would also say that I don't think many of the questions you brought up should need to be answered in the pilot. Not that a pilot can't answer any questions, but things like, what is the exact relationship between Rocky and Freckles, who is the other gang, why do the characters act the way they do should remain unanswered in the pilot and be left for the actual show to establish. Imagine how bloated and fast the writing would feel if they tried to thoroughly answer all those questions in 30 minutes, on top of introducing the characters and the world. Those questions should be answered, but in the show itself, where each question can be given its due diligence. I would agree that having as many characters as they did laugh manically does take away the edge of it, but I am still not too bothered by it personally, since even though a bunch of characters do the crazy laugh thing, they all seem to do it for different reasons, the rival mobsters are a kind of adrenaline junky that love chaos, Freckles seems to have some kind of obsession with destructive things, like the kid that likes fire a bit too much to be normal, and I think Rocky's was a near death experience type thing. Overall, I think the pilot accomplishes its goal. It introduces the world, gives an entertaining show, gives us a base idea of each character to work off of, and drops hints that there is more to the world to keep you intrigued and to provide justification for the rest of the show existing. Apologies for the long-winded comment, but your video gave me a lot to think about and I wanted to make sure I expressed my ideas properly. Good video
This video feels *really* nitpicky, to the point it’s almost mean-spirited. I thought the pilot was charming, who cares if the characters are a little superfluous or silly sometimes??
To be fair to the Lackadaisy team, I think that in avoiding reading the comic you're unknowingly suggesting changes that ignore that the writers likely intended to stay consistent with the comic whenever possible (e.g. questioning whether Rocky and Freckle could have instead been brothers). This would probably be a bit more arguable for a full-length series - but the pilot was crowdfunded by Lackadaisy fans, so I think it'd make sense for the team to want to work in a lot of references to the comic. Same goes for Rocky's monologue at the beginning, though that one's probably more arguable.
As I said, if the pilot is anything to go by, I know what to expect from the comic. If you say that the comic has more narrative substance, then they failed to translate it into this pilot. If these characters have plenty of characterization in the comics, why didn't they use them in the pilot? The characters we have here are paper thin. If the cousin thing is really important, write the pilot around that angle. If it's not, don't even have the line and focus on some other aspect of these characters.
@@RoamingTrend That's fair. It's been a year or so since I've read Lackadaisy, so I don't think I can confidently say either way - but, like another comment (that you may not have seen before you wrote this response, so no shade) mentioned, this seems like more of a spectacle-advertisement for current fans of the comic. I don't think that that invalidates criticism of either, but I do think it's understandable if they'd want to avoid permanent character development.
@@redcathode Turning them from cousins to brothers is more a suggestion for the dynamic the pilot was trying to establish. The critique is that their familial relationship is clunkily presented and perhaps even unnecessary since there is no difference to the pilot's story whether they were or weren't cousins. Whenever I offer my take on how the story could go, it's a just a possibility I see when watching these characters in the pilot. Whatever arc or character development they had in the comic is not here.
So, either the source material is bad or this is a bad adaptation.... either way it's bad. I know a lot, if not most, webcomics struggle with consistincy because of their episodic nature but when you adapt it afterwards there is no excuse
Hope I can get better. Trying to find a balance between entertaining and informative. I think the overall points are there, but I spent a bit too much time going scene by scene, which I didn't need to.
While I do agree on the "the poem is too damn long", most of the rest feels, like, REALLY nitpicky. In a "for it being furry I'm going to be extra-extra anal about _everything"_ way.
I'd say so too. I think I focused too much on a shot by shot view of the pilot and it would've been better with an overal discussion on those flaws. But hey, still developing a style and tone for my videos.
@@RoamingTrend Well, for example, that a character cannot know "smarty-pants" words unless its explicitly explained (not relevant for the pilot); or that family relationships must be explained (not relevant for the pilot); or that the opponents don't make their presence known for too long (dramatic timing is a thing), or that talking to yourself is a sign of insanity (while its literally the most common way of voicing character's inner thoughts in works that do not have noir-like narrations)
@DarthBiomech 1) I said, it's not a problem if they establish it later on, but don't have him use smarty-pants words and then struggle to read in the next scene. 2) if the family relationship is not relevant, don't have it in the pilot. 3) and they could've built more tension by revealing them to the audience sooner, before the action. 4) On its own, it wouldn't be a problem, but around all these cackling psychos? It may be seen as another sign of insanity
this feels half actual critique, half nitpicky, but.... To be fair, I can tell a good amount of the character interactions and personalities leaned heavily on having read through the comic and having the context of why they may act the way they do here, which is lots of fun for those that have and can still be a decent time for those who haven't and are just here to appreciate animation. Also, maybe I don't understand what the POINT of a pilot has to be, but I just imagined that this one was just to present the characters in a similar way the comics did and hook the fans off their personalities. idk, I might just be talkin outta my ass, but this video just felt a lot more harsh than your past few, still a good watch tho ^^"
yeah, this puts the point i was trying to make better than i did. there *is* some valid criticism here, and i imagine this video took a lot of effort to make - but, with that in mind, it feels a bit disingenuous to criticize a multi-year production without taking a few hours to read the source material and understand the circumstances it was created within
"maybe I don't understand what the POINT of a pilot has to be" That's why a lot of people are going to dislike this video. Pilots are known to tv writers as a test of skill, spec scripts, because of how much they need to accomplish in a short period of time while the average audience member is just happy to get free entertainment, many of them admit "why criticize something I am getting for free?". And you are talking out of your ass, of his last 8 videos, 5 are very critical
@@redcathode Here's the thing though. Your audience should not have to do homework. If your audience needs to read or watch supplemental material in order to understand what is happening, you've failed as a writer. You need to be able to convey all the things you intended to within the episode. If you can't do that, why should your audience trust your skill as a writer for future episodes?
@@ziizii2306 the main audience is mainly Lackadaisy fans who read the comic considering that the pilot was funded by them. So really I see why they would lean more into giving fans what they want. Also, the homework is for the guy who made the video to make a proper critique of the pilot, not the other quarter half of the audience. Though I do understand the struggle for non-comic fans of Lackadaisy.
@@poopy5101 But the point of releasing a pilot is specifically NOT to give the people who are already fans what they want, but to reel in even more people and potential studios to take the project on. Both of which would be thus far unfamiliar with the work. It's also just poor form in general to create a show and have the source be required reading to understand important nuances; you don't go in to see a movie for the first time and think the viewers should have read the book first to understand what is going on. Reading source material should be optional only, and something that just gives greater appreciation for the SMALL bits that you couldn't get from a show.
People have already left pretty good points so I’ll just leave my main two cents: The reason that a lot of the characters being “psychotic” in your opinion, is because the story is about gangsters working for a dying business that has to sell illegal alcohol. These aren’t just normal, upright citizens. Crime is almost always not for the mentally stable. Also 19:24 Mitzi’s not getting a ray of hope, she’s reminiscing about her late husband and the time when their speakeasy was more successful, during 1926, they showcase that with the scene of a glimpse into the past
Fictional writing isn’t meant to be tied to reality, they are supposed to tell the story in the most entertaining way as possible. Meaning diverse character personalities
@ I see your point, but in my opinion, the characters deemed as psychotic all have different forms of it, like how there are different forms of insanity in real life. Who says it can’t be entertaining to watch? It’s chaotic and not predictable, I don’t think anyone expected Rocky to crash the car, find a whole lotta dynamite and then start going haywire while still reciting poetry. The characters are all still distinct because lack of sanity isn’t a personality trait, it’s an issue that almost all of the characters share.
Here's the thing that most people don't know. The Lackadaisy "Pilot" wasn't originally meant to be a pilot at all. During the initial campaign and production, it was billed as a "short film" meant specifically for Lackadaisy fans. Tracy and her team never had any ambitions to make it a full-blown animated series yet. Therefore, the "pilot" isn't actually a pilot. Its not that the team behind LD don't know how to write- its that they were writing for a contained short-film with a focus on existing fans, not an animated pilot with broad appeal that would lead to a full series. Somewhere along the way, they decided to make it a pilot instead to see how it would perform as such, but that was very late into development. Yeah, its pretty sloppy to do it that way, but I feel like the end product is still good enough to be called a successful pilot overall. This is coming from someone who didn't read the comic before watching it, either. I honestly had no problems figuring out what was going on. However, I think this often overlooked fact would explain many of the criticisms stated in this video. And, it should also get people more excited for the actual first season, where its clear that they're adapting the comic from the beginning and going into much more detail. The first season seems to have a much better handle on things from the start, as, y'know, they're developing it as an actual series and not just an ad-hoc pilot. After reading the comic, I can say that if they pull this off, no one is going to have much to complain about anymore!
I don't know if the pilot needed to bring up their familial relationship if it has no meaning in the episode. Might be something for an episode regarding their past or relationship.
I couldn't find the exact words myself to describe why the indie animations feel so grand and yet fall so short, but you've given alot of clarity and helpful dissecting overview of why these highly aspiring projects lack something that prevents me from wanting to fully revisit them. Great video!
Well I’m glad I somehow managed to stick with the whole video. You have a LOT of stuff in the first 2/3 of this video that’s just a lot of unfun nickpicking, but the stuff 15 minutes in is actually interesting and has something to say. I really like the alternate story you thought of, it’s very cohesive. But the “furry meter” definitely feels like a “ew furries are cringe” needlessly mean/rude part. Maybe if you actually explained WHY those things things (“OC going psycho,” etc) disagree with you or are bad for the story or whatever (I don’t even know, you didn’t explain WHY those concepts were bad), I’d respect that opinion more.
22:04 also at this point it’s interesting you say this, because it kind of makes your whole video pointless?? That sounds harsh, but I mean. It’s a pilot. The purpose of it was to show off spectacle, show off what could be possible in the story, garner support, _be a spectacle_, etc. The actual teaser for the season and the shorts are accurate to what story the show is actually going to tell, but the pilot was to gather interest etc. I definitely see what you mean about the plot of the pilot, but despite your casual voice you are coming off as “grr I hate furries” or something. (Lost my words at the end, sorry)
I never see anyone bring this up so I'll be the one to do so. As someone who was following the pilot's production from pretty much the beginning, I can say that it wasn't meant to be the pilot. When it was pitched, it was pitched as a short film featuring lackadaisy characters. The reason it seems like its primarily fanservice is because that's all it was meant to be. Hell, I didn't even know it changed to be a pilot until the premeire was put up on RU-vid. (Maybe they ssid it somewhere else, at the time i only followed them on RU-vid) My guess is that at some point either because of interest from the fans or an influx of funding, the team switched focus from doing a single animation to an whole series. Since the animation was well into development, obviously they couldn't turn the script into something more newcomer friendly and now we have this pilot-shortfilm Frankenstein. Im not excusing the shortcomings mind you, im just sharing my theory for why the main one people bring up is there. TL;DR The Lackadaisy Pilot was originally just going to be just a one off short film. When it was changed to be a pilot instead the facervice-y elements remained.
Pretty nice video!. Coming from someone who worked on the pilot, this holes on the main story (or sequences going through the film) were really concerning from a personal point. Story really felt empty and characters were really hard to understand the first time I watched the full animatic (which I needed to accomplish my tasks in production). I didn't got if there was a story to tell exactly, because after all, almost all the short film was only pure action sequences and some nibbles of references to the comic. I had to read some parts of the comic itself to had a better understanding of everything... and to give the proper importance to this characters, and to keep up with a good quality work. And finally, from what I understood from the production and direction, and the team in general, it was that the main objective of this short film was more as gift to all the fans of the comic that were supporting the comic through many years, and that sounds pretty sweet. But the function of this film as a pilot with it's own "story", was something I was still questioning multiple times during my time on production. It could be better, but still understandable from a production perspective. - Anon.
If true, thanks for sharing. Once again, I am left questioning why one wouldn't try to make a complete story even if it's something for the fans. Surely if the writing of the comics is so good, that shouldn't have been a problem. The mini episodes seem to work better than the pilot.
@@RoamingTrend From what I heard (and I personally understand, not a 100% fact) from the direction crew myself in multiple voice chats, this was fully intended when they were crafting the main script for this short film. The intention was more emphasized in showcasing the attitude coming from these characters specifically and making refer multiple small parts from the main comic story. Not trying to justify it, but yeah... the comic is way more rich story wise and could be more noticeable in the pilot.
17:39 what you think she is insane all because she kind of talking to the painting of her husband Her husband died and she messaged him a lot come on man. Sometimes you kinda do a little crazy thing here and there if your family if your loved ones died
I think your comments are interesting, and I agree with pretty much all of your critiques and suggestions. I'd never heard of Lackadaisy until seeing the hype a bit before the pilot dropped, and the pilot got me to go read the webcomic... which kind of immediately made me no longer like the pilot for the exact issues of tone and narrative focus being so different from the comic. Obviously, a long webcomic has more time to spread things out, but it's truly an ensemble cast that splits its focus *a lot* while still (IMO) remaining coherent around a core plot and themes and being interesting. Rocky is also way less annoying and more likeable in the comic IMO, which apparently is also in the S1 promo stuff (I honestly stopped following the project seeing how the webcomic is basically in indefinite hiatus and the pilot felt like the team was taking the property in a new direction that I liked less).
The comic is actually really good and doesn’t have most of the flaws pointed in the video, I think they made the chapter like this because they only had 20 minutes to show everything
And they wasted a lot of those minutes or way too long gags, poems, psycho Rocky scenes, ect. I think you could've fit a lot more by cutting a lot of those down.
Yes. Thank you. I thought there was something wrong with me, I felt guilty for not liking the pilot. I love the beautiful animation, cinematography and the prohibition era setting, but I really didn't like the characters, especially Rocky. It's like you're supposed to be the look out, and you're just announcing your presence to the world, the others should have told him "you're gonna blow our cover, knock it off. (take the violin away) make yourself useful and be a lookout" but they're so passive. And since you mentioned it, they should've opened it before they got to the car, I didn't think about that, but that was because I only watched it once, I wasn't interested in watching it again. And I usually like the cartoony comic relief character, but I found Rocky so annoying, when he's cackling like a maniac and causing so much trouble. The pilot is beautiful, but the script could've used another draft, someone should've looked over it. The characters just seemed so incompetent, and it just seems like the creator really loved their OC's and wanted to show them off, "this one is funny and cool, and he's crazy" "she's a bad guy and she's also crazy", "he's quiet and sweet, but he is also crazy" "this guy is a bartender but he's big and tough", now that you mentioned it he should've been the muscle and went on the mission, because they blew the mission thanks to Rocky. I admire all the hard work that went into the pilot, they did an amazing job, it looks beautiful, but they characters are so incompetent and there is a lot of scenes where they waste time. It could've been a short demo proof of concept thing. I hope they can improve, I want indie animation to succeed and we need original ideas without meddling from big studios. But I think the script could've used another draft.
I agree with your take 100% I thought i was crazy for not liking it, too. I loved the animation and setting! But the characters were too unlikeable for me. I agree with the video that Freckle should’ve been the focus and it might’ve helped give these psychopaths some humanity😂
Since you've done many videos on indie animation, i'm curious on if you'd do a review for Monkey wrench. It currently has 3 episodes (the 4th appears to be nearing completion), and has always been a fun watch. Not without flaws (I remember the voices clearly not blending in with the sound effects and background audio for ep 1 like they were recorded in audio booths), but enjoyable to watch. On second note i'm surprised to see someone call murder drones awful. I'm no fanboy of the show, it's not my thing, hell i was super confused when i decided to check out the last couple episodes but i thought the general consensus was that it was severely flawed, but an acceptable show.
I watched a bit of Monkey Wrench. I think one episode. It also spends a bit too long with its action scenes without setup. It's going for a Cowboy Bebop vibe by the looks of it, but even that show took time to establish characters a bit more. MD's dialogue is absolutely atrocious. It hard for me to even focus on the plot.
Murder Drones is a colossal failure, it had merits in that the art and concept it gave was good but that’s about it. Story had no direction, characters were bland, had changing morals that contradict every other scene or just straight up annoying, and the pacing was abysmal. I wanted to like it but Liam fumbled hard and wasted everyone’s time and resources.
In Tracy’s defense she said the reason they’re cats is because the only way she could think to make them super emotive was to make anime characters or cats and anime was way over done
That's.....a very strange response, I'll say. Like we've had animated humans with very expressive faces that weren't anime for...like, actual decades. I mean no offense but that legitimately comes across like a skill issue. I don't hate it, mind you, I think how she expresses with cats is quite nice. I just think that is a weird statement.
@@ARStudios2000 I agree it's a skill issue, but I like the animation style and I hate that everything with anthropomorphized characters gets called "furry" now. Also I heard this second hand, so I may have been misinformed, I just remember people claiming she was a furry when the pilot dropped and this was the rebuttal I saw.
i dont know whats up with indie adult animated shows like this or hazbin hotel having characters that talk like they belong in a nick jr cartoon. shows like regular show or gravity falls have characters that talk much more maturely and realistically yet those are aimed at a younger audience. its rlly strange
Tbh, I believe there's no true definition of mature. Mature definitions depend on culture. It can be simple to be complicated. For example, my simple definition of mature is taking care of oneself. Complicated ones are hard since not everyone can fit into that(it's the minority). Remember, people are people, so people will always do what you don't want to do
Regular show & gravity falls were made by studios and a large group of people. Hazbin hotel & lackadaisey were created by a small handful of artists primarily working over the internet and rely on crowd funding for income
@@user-x7dc2pq7nawful analogy for multiple reasons For 1 Pron quite litterally does have direct definition: a form of media that are regarded as emphasizing sensuous or sensational aspects of a subject and stimulating a compulsive interest in their audience For 2 Maturity is something who’s definition is left up for personal interpretation. Maturing simply means to grow/advance whether it be physically, mentally, emotionally, etc For three : “you know what it is when you see it” might not even be a true statement for some
So this had started off as a reply, but it just got way too long that I felt it should've been moved to a proper comment, especially if people wanted to see and properly respond!! I will be explaining the general nit-picks in the video that personally irked me and that I see is commonly being brought up. Apologies if this comes across as rude, my main intention here is to explain since I've noticed the creator has been asking about the nit-picks and I was hoping to provide some insight!! Also fair warning, this is most likely gonna be LONG, especially since I'm dissecting the video as I watch through it. One final thing, I do like Lackadaisy, so that may make me a bit biased. -The whole "Furry-o-meter" gimmick. It seriously came across as just needlessly making fun of furries rather than being anything of worth to the video, especially since you never really explained why the things that raised the meter were bad. Honestly it just hurt watching the meter slowly go up whenever the characters just.. Showed personality or did awkward things. -The fact that the characters knowing "smart words" or mythology needs to be explained. That you just gotta apply some cartoon logic to, yes some of it may not make sense but this is FICTION, something as trivial as this really doesn't need to be shown. There's no harm in just assuming they picked up their knowledge from somewhere either. -The exposition. This is a pilot, some exposition will be needed for those who are unfamiliar with the comic such as myself. And since this was at a similar part in the video, regarding the point of Rocky complaining about his lack of strength, I'm sorry but I thought most people were able to tell that was a lie? Characters CAN lie to get out of doing difficult things, personally I find it quite fun to watch. -The whole familial thing about Rocky and Freckle. That ESPECIALLY felt like a nit-pick, as while yes, it's perfectly fine having an issue with the dialogue, but really just over-analyzing the one line and going on about the point longer than it should've gone for was what felt nit-picky about it. -The issues with the villains(? For a lack of a better term) No, they do not have to be competent villains, that itself is a very common trope. I do very much like your idea of the scene, although it's clearly shown the characters are far more unhinged and dramatic, it wouldn't exactly make sense for them to be smart about things and to be stealthy. -The evil laughing and "psycho" behavior. It's perfectly okay to say you dislike a trope, I understand, but that's really just not a flaw with the pilot itself, more your opinion on the trope. As well, adrenaline can cause the insane laughter you keep bringing up. -"Where did you learn to drive like that??" "I didn't!" As in she didn't learn how to drive LIKE THAT. Yes she knows how to drive, but not "Like that" as Rocky described. -The villain's incompetency. Again, this is fiction, there are protagonists we want to see succeed, and having the villains kill them off right away makes no sense since we are seeing the pilot through them, there would be no plot to follow if they were dead. Because of this, the villains do have to do things that realistically don't make sense, but since this is fiction, they can get away with it. -A lot of your points here to me at least feel like opinions more than criticism or anything objective. There's nothing wrong with stating your opinions, but you do need to make that clear when making a video like this, or it will be interpreted as genuine criticism rather than opinions. -Your dislike of Rocky. Once again, this is an opinion on Rocky. You are perfectly free to dislike a character for whatever reason, although do note that the majority of the people who watched Lackadaisy like Rocky and see him as an affective character. Really just so much of the nit-picky aspects of this comes from the fact that most of your points can be dismissed by the fact that this is fiction, it can get away with unrealistic things and you do need to apply some suspension of disbelief and, as overused as the term is lately, media literacy.
2:14 I thought this was just paying homage to the Great Gatsby and other books set in the 1920s, or even the Noir genre as a whole. Longewinded soliloquy's about geography is kind of a staple of the genre.
Jesus Christ, I cannot watch this- I thought MY videos were obnoxiously knit-picky. Seriously, It’s like this dude watched like, 2 CinemaSins videos, then just got up and said, “LOL THATS EASY I CAN DO THAT”.
I’m gonna add in my options as I watch because yes! In my opinion the intro was good, since that’s just Rocky being Rocky, he’s dramatic and loving poems and stuff even at the most unlikely times. And I like how they used a poem from the actual comic. The cousin thing was true and Rocky had a time when they were younger since they lived together with Freckles mom, but that won’t make much sense for the people who didn’t read the comics. Ivy is like 17-19 or something, Rocky just being Rocky again so silly, but honestly the comment Rocky made about Icy and Freckle and the cousin comment but again it was kinda random for the people who didn’t read the comic. The other gang wasn’t really competent not gonna like, beside Mordecai. The other two just love fun and killing people. To be honest I do kinda wish they explained why Freckle was crazy as well as Rocky, but I’m sure we’ll eventually get an explanation. I hope anyway.. Mordecai is their coworker, I understand your frustration for Mordecai’s character, he was definitely a more better in the comic than the pilot. No lack of crazy is definitely true, the cast is just a little coocoo.. Rocky is annoying but that’s definitely just his character, just a crazy cat I suppose. Not sure what the plot is gonna be but what the trailer for season 1 seemed to be about is Rocky’s past and such, so it makes sense why Rocky is the main character, he needs to be fleshed out more than he is in the manga. Viktor isn’t a rum runner anymore due to him being old and his knees are bad, plus he was shot in the comic so he probably can’t work too hard for now. Again not good for the non comic readers, so it kinda sucks for them. I’m sure the first season will be way better than the pilot in many ways, it’s more fleshed out and shows Rocky from the past and why he’s the way he is, I hope it shows more of his family. Rocky is desperate to find a place to fit in a place to stay, so it makes sense why he’s the way he is. I feel so sigma 🐱
I really hate that defense of "Oh its just that character being that character I suppose". Like there is a time a place for that, him doing a random thing when they are suppose to be on a hush hush mission is not being quirky, or endearing, its being dumb. And the explosive excavator thing really cemented his being dumb character for me. Its okay to full meltdown if it suppose to help accomplish something but it did not Hell it even put more danger into an already hectic situation.
@@mrweaseljam you shouldnt have to read the comic for a show, and i say that as someone who has read the comic. The primary goal is for it to stand on its own two feet without needing supplemental material
I thought Lackadaisy was beautiful to look at, but when you said the word "indulgent" - that neatly describes SO MANY of my issues with the story and humor! The story seemed like a low priority (if at all on the writer's radar). It was like a passionate collector showing us all their favorite cat toy characters talking non-stop about why they're each "so special and funny". It felt very immature, in-spite of it obviously being for older viewers. I used to read the comics and again, while beautiful - the story never made a lot of sense to me. It seemed to become very complex series of betrayals and alliances like a soap opera... but I was really only interested in looking at the cute cat artwork.
I heard a few people say this video is too nit-picky. I would like to know what do you consider as nit-picks? For me, making these videos is a learning process too. Let me know so it doesn't duplicate and maybe I can clarify them.
I think it's considered nitpicky because a lot of people like to indulge in some of the tropes you skewer. For example, the "crazy dangerous criminal" concept is something a lot of people love on the face of it. However, it only works when done right. The Lackadaisy pilot (short film actually) kind of just spams the trope. 3 out of the four characters are just crazy. And audiences really like it. It's indulgent insanity for the sake of zaniness. Additionally, the poem at the start is fun on the face of it, but makes little narrative sense. Why is he on the bridge? As lookout? IN THE DARK?? That's a result of the "dramatically expressive character trope" which basically is when characters are super dramatic for an audience...that doesn't exist in their world. My greater point is, most of your points make sense. No, having everyone laughing maniacally doesn't help. Having the villain have zero wins lowers intimidation factor (we already learn this when comparing Kang to Thanos. Thanos literally beat the Hulk and several Marvel Heroes before the 3rd act...Kang was killed by Antman. See the difference?). But people, even myself, REALLY like some of these tropes. It isn't good writing, but it IS entertaining.
I watch your videos because of their critical nature. They touch on valid points that are often looked over, and I don't know how much of that is being misinterpreted as "nitpicking". The only part you lost me was with criteria that you did not explain. (ex. Edgy or Quirky demonstrations = bad character writing) In a different light, they could be seen as attempts to create compelling or charismatic characters. I would find an explanation on where they cross the line to be very informative. Everything else was handled brilliantly.
Ngl i didn't understand what plot even was so I had to read the first few chapters of the comic. This doesn't feel like a first episode - the first comic had a serviceable intro to the plot/series. It feels like a proof of concept for making a whole season based on something that would happen a few episodes in. As a pilot, it fails. However, I'm not fully sure it was meant to be a complete introduction to the series.
That was what I got out of it. I don't know why you would take the time to establish characters and relationship better. Felt like there was enough time.
It felt more akin to showing off the characters you're going to get to know rather than a real introduction/storyline. Which isn't a bad thing, it gives them some mystery, rocky though has always been a sort of narrator insert while everyone else has a pretty good role in the events of the story.
@@Jane-ow7sr that doesn't make sense for new viewers like me. You need to have at least SOME exposition. I didn't even know Lacksadaisy was the name of some gang until I read the comments.
@@youwhat. Because it's technically not. Lackadaisy is just the name of the diner/speakeasy, Not a gang gangs don't base themselves on the establishment they occupy, they base it off of the group itself.
While you make some good points, you seem to have misinterpreted a few things. The Daisy crew are not stealing from the rival gang. They are picking up a supply of liquor. Mihtzi mentions she was able to get a supply from the morgue, and later talks about getting their money's worth. That's why the rival gang doesn't care about perserving the alcohol-it's not their's at all. Sure, in theory, it would be nice to get the alcohol, but that's not why they are there. It's a side mission, a little bit of fun by crushing a rival. Lackadaisy is about a once powerful, now struggling speakeasy. The pilot's job is too show us the status quo. I actually like the way it opened up, monologue not with standing. The opening dialogue was exposition, but more about the characters than their objective roles. Rocky is hyperactive and out there, while Freckle is the straight laced cousin who gets dragged into Rocky's misadventures. While Ivy is the sassy in-between the two. As the pilot goes on, we learn more about their personality. Freckles bloodlust and combat skills, Ivy's resourcefulness, and the fact that Rocky is more observant than he seems. Going in blind, we don't know why they are there until the coffin is opened. The mihtzi part is important. When she talks to the Atlas painting, it establishes the history of Lackadaisy, that they were on top of the world. Now, their head is dead, and his widow is trying keep things together. When Mihtzi daydreams, it's not a hopeful Fantasy, but a nostalgic daydream about what was.
90% of this video 'criticism' is like fundamentally misunderstanding the premise of the show and characters and suggesting a different story entirely... like its a dark comedy + mystery. its not supposed to be a fully serious drama played straight. even so it has a lot of drama and intrigue imo but also lots of good gags and whimsy. we are frontloaded with spectacle and exposition but still supposed to be left with more questions than answers. i think the pilot is an almost perfect set up. rocky is a performer turned mobster way in over his head, he's taking on a role completely unsuited for him out of (possibly misplaced) loyalty to mitzi and his own illusions of grandeur. while i do think his monologue does overstay its welcome a bit for my personal taste, it does establish he's into drama, theater; and i dont understand the 'criticism' about him not being 'intelligent' enough to perform this, theres not really anything establishing a lack of intelligence from him (though a lack of wisdom for sure), its establishing him as a performer and shakesphere and poetry is accessible to the masses. libraries are free. he's just very much a classic Bard in terms of archetype. the show is not supposed to be competent gangsters doing competent gangster things. its a whole lot of incompetent idiots falling upwards. (and frankly how a lot of bootlegger stories go; i suspect downwards again at some point). they're not a cohesive unit at all and that's firmly established in the pilot. lackadaisy is a fallen empire after the death of atlas, and his widow mitzi is struggling to restore it to its past glory. rocky is one of the few idealistic and naive enough to try and push towards this goal, (more clear in the comic but i think decently established in the pilot as well with how proud he is of fumbling a simple pickup and viewing it as a success while mitzi can see it for the disaster it actually was). viktor WAS originally mitzi's main muscle but had to retire. this is a bit subtle but still established in the pilot, when ivy says he has no idea what she went through to get the booze and he snaps back that he has a very good idea of what she just went through. i think being irritated by rocky's tendencies is understandable; he is supposed to be a well-meaning nuisance and a wild card. (a boon ocassionally, since he does distract the savoy twins away from ivy when she's hiding under the car- but a hinderance more often, destroying the property of Sable, their main customer with any influence) but harping on and on about how he doesnt work as a protagonist because you dont like him is just writing a different show. rocky's a catalsyt. he's dynamite. i think ivy potentially could and does fill a similar role, sure, but in the original comic she's even less a part of the main trio until several chapters in (a very welcome change for the pilot imo). however i think its fair enough to say that the pilot doesn't establish rocky's personal stakes very much. (which i think its okay for a first episode, give us something to sink our teeth into later) the comic is much more clear that he has a crush on mitzi. and the dynamic of him being freckle's cousin rather than his brother is VERY important specifically BECAUSE a cousin is a bit more distant of a relation than a brother- it implies he's closer to a more distant relative than anyone in his immediate family for whatever reason (whether its death or being disowned or otherwise). from the comic we see he is skating on thin ice with his aunt and fears being discarded if he ever pushes her buttons too far. (he doesnt think through the consequences of his actions and desperately pleads for freckle not to tell his mother he's roped him into a life of crime). even in the pilot its pretty clear freckle brings up his mom because he thinks she'd stop them from doing this and even though rocky laughs it off, it does suggest some level of fear of her. if rocky wasn't the protagonist i genuinely dont think freckle would ever be involved with lackadaisy's crimes and he'd be too shy to meet ivy at all. rocky is someone with just enough personal tie and force of personality its hard for freckle to say no to him. but there is still some ambiguity that he might at some point. but to be fair freckle's aren't really either. he is protective of ivy, very cute for shipping purposes but this insistance of him being a mobster 'to protect people' is a bit overblown. (in the comics his motivations are more clear, but just from the pilot, we mostly see he's reluctant to be here, but implied rocky and ivy roped him into it) im personally very excited to learn more about the more grounded elements of rocky's character, his past is hinted at in the comics but its mentioned only in letters and dialogue, we dont ever see a young rocky flashback. (besides the childhood shenanigans of freckle and rocky in a few side comics) in the comics and side materials we do know rocky was traveling alone for some time, and also joined a circus for some amount of time; freckle and nina seem to be the only family he is still in contact with. (i think being around larger than life stunt acts really must have fueled some fire to his recklessness and i hope we see a glimpse of that too) i am curious to see if rocky is indeed going to be our primary pov, because in the comic we do get a chapters focused on mitzi, mordacai, even viktor and zib. im definately suspecting more mitzi focus for sure. i also think RT is too quick to discount the antagonist gang playing around with their kill making them seem less of a threat. they were 100% not taking this seriously because of how little threat they assume this trio poses to them. serafine calls them vermin and nico says he wasnt expecting them to have much firepower. theyre not listening to mordecai because he is NOT their boss, he's the new recruit, previously worked for lackadaisy. the whole point of him being here was probably to test him and does pretty much does confirm he has divided loyalties (decides not to shoot ivy, giving intrigue as to why for future episodes). serafine even called him out on nagging about their methods and accusing him of being too sentimental, its a bit of playful banter but also a potential threat if he ends up turning on them. if anything it makes the savoys seem even more dangerous in comparison, nico did have to jump in to save serafine from an explosion, and sera is naturally going to be pissed that her quarry escaped. they have a bone to pick now. also the furry bashing is just juvenille. sometimes people in cartoon are just animals to be more expressive and memorable. mickey mouse doesnt have any reason to be a mouse. intentional or not the kind of cat and mouse games these gangs are going to be involved in is very-cat coded, but there doesn't need to be any deep symbolic reason or furry world building a la beastars for it to be justified.
@RockslideTreeClan You make a lot of good points. I read the comic, but that was years ago. I was trying to look at it from someone who isn't familiar with the comics. For instance, I can understand why it's unclear why Viktor was at the bar. However I find RT's comment about how weird it is that Rocky is scared of Freckle's mom. It establishes the woman she is, especially when you look at Freckle's demeanor. Also, I do think it makes sense that the Savoys turn on the lights before firing, because of how dark it was. It's better to see what you're shooting at.
Alright this review seems filled with fluff, to pardon a pun, as the biggest things you criticize are not the actual plot but which character has which personality as your claims to fix this are only to a.) Swap some characters personalities and b.) Then swap their positions. There isn't much substance to the critique otherwise from here as everything else that is done are things that could have happened back in the day thanks to mobs and what was revealed whenever they got caught such as shooting up what would be worth thousands, because the goal was to remove the competition via forcefull monopoly by the crime syndicates. This in turn leads to many people who were seemingly crazy because they were under severe stress to survive mass "firings" by force.
I came across your channel and decided to watch. Not into these kind of animations, I like more anime seinin stuff. However your critiques drew me in as a creator and series creator hopeful. I love how you boil down writing, themes, and character arcs in a consice way. I'd hire you as a writing revisionist if I had the resources haha Your videos remind me of a slightly long and repetitive video, but relevant nonetheless, about millennial writing. I notice a lot of writers and creators are stuck in their bubbles, refuse to see outside of a California like world, and are always trying to be quirky, funny, but cool and relatable to the kids. Many don't study or view classic material older than 20 years ago. It shows. You mentioned in another video about writing what you know or study what you want to write about. This is a major issue in modern entertainment and instead are focused on graphical, and relatable content that offends no one. It comes out a bit pedantic and bland. Seriously taking notes on your criticisms. Thanks man. You are awesome
11:21 Mordecai did not hire them. They are his teammates. Mordecai kind of wish that he have a different teammates But his boss want to team up with them
Good analysis. Yeah, art and aniamtion are fine, but the pilot has no story substance. Didn´t knew that there is a season coming, because the pilot didn´t awoke any interest to stay updated, since I have had to assume that the "story beats would remain the same. Suggestion for a nice analysis vid: Daria Cohen`s "Vampair" series?
At 10:09 , I think the driver intended to slam the front of his car into Rocky's body at high speed using the vehicle's force . So it was really the big guy turn to try to kill rocky in his own way. Which is why the lady didn't shoot at rocky.
Im back again :o and this time with some criticism like most comments do I don't find anything wrong with Rocky being the "main character" cause he is fun and also has potential to grow And another thing is...this is a pilot You can judge some things yes and develop opinions, but you can't say for sure that this is how the show is going to be like (*cough* hasbin- *cough* helluva boss-) And you don't have to like the pilot, I do but still have some criticism, the problem is that the video kind of became really nit picky and the "furry" stuff is uh...well they just seemed like jokes :p Not bad video tho
Thanks, I appreciate it. Still trying to find the balance between analysis and humor and sometimes it doesn't land. I think I spent too much time on analyzing it scene by scene, so it appears more nitpicky than I anticipated, but the overall points are still there.
@@RoamingTrend no, but like… his injuries were before even the pilot started. Either way, Viktor doing the gig would just be weird if they already knew he’s injured. And it would still be weird to bring up an information that everyone knew in the bar scene.
3:18 that all has to do with Rocky's backstory. He didn't go to school and lived on the streets and in a circus for most of his life, so he naturally studied everything he could get his hands on. That's why he knows all the fancy words.
As a wee lad who has participated in online roleplay forums back then it was easy to fall in love with characters like Rocky. I would describe it like, "A quick high." Because they feel more out going than I could ever be as a shy quiet kid. So that's where my personal interest for such a thing comes from even if maaaaybeee it doesn't really provide anything tangible to the narrative. And what makes me the target audience for a lot of these pilots. However this video does remind me why I like shows like Cowboy Bepbop or Andor. Because substance is a longer term deal while the lack thereof is just a short term fix. I'm really looking forward to what Lackadaisy can offer especially after their recent shorts.
I agree with you 100%. Id heard so much hype over this show I found myself questioning it through the whole pilot. Theres nothing to latch onto. There is no way to figure out what these cats are doing in the middle of the night etc the focus is way too heavy on spectacle and visual splendor. Its gorgeous. But as usual, just because we are a good artist doesnt also make us a great writer too. Those two traits are rarely found in the same person
> There is no way to figure out what these cats are doing in the middle of the night Does everything need to be spilled out explicitly? It's 1920s and they've digging out a crate full of booze out of the ground. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together even if you don't know anything about the comic.
Pointing out different ways the villians could be conveyed more threatening is a valid point. The tension does feel a bit unconvincing, save for a few instances. I got a bit lost on some of the "furry" character writing points. I would love a video explaining the pitfalls of that type of quirky/edgy character writing. Especially from a perspective of how to do it right. (P.S. i agree that everyone being crazy is a bit confusing. Most people I've watched this with are taken back by it. All I can tell them is, its a character choice, but it doesn't add much to the story apart from wacky spectacle.)
This was a bad review. I'm confident to declare that to you. The reason why Rocky is a crazy character is because (since you're a Europo0r and you need to have this explained to you) the setting is Recession-in-Full-Swing USA during the Prohibition Era (late 1920s, the very beginning text, before the episode begins, tells you this). What you can gather from all of the imaginative scenes from Rocky's perspective, is that he lived a happier life and childhood from before, and still thinks about *maybe* that opportunity would come where his creative talents could get him somewhere in life. Just from Rocky's introduction short, his violin skills got him recognized enough to join Lackadaisy. Which explains the scenes where he's having disillusions of childlike places like circuses and theatre (him playing violin while citing poetry, at the beginning). Rocky is coping *really* hard in an environment that has taken a turn for the downward, in a way that doesn't really clique with the other characters, and something he has no *real* way of adapting to. *That's* what Rocky is meant to portray. He is living his own delusions, and he *never* brings any of what he's thinking up or experiencing to other characters, because *he's in his own head.* And the most Rocky is telling them is through his weird 1920s styled poetry. I'm not a Lackadaisy fan and I can pick this stuff up. It's disappointing that shows like this portray mental health in a very relatable and empathic way, despite the things they are inciting and inflicting, for the sake of character development and any other gain of some kind. I mean, you're calling the *deliberate choice of style of dialogue* being 1920s, poor exposition. Yes! A great book is the same exact thing, would you believe it? Looking up definitions for words that *may* have obsolete meanings, *might* be crucial. The episode does take a gradual amount of time to pick up on some of this stuff, with a few rewatches. Silly editing tricks masking the bad faith criticisms of this, on your behalf, is just a symptom to a bigger issue with 'avatar' styled review/essay videos, ruining this website and the internet as a whole. You're the reason why animation reviews are all gonna one day be abused with community notes. Over the most miniscule dumb stuff. You're playing on the puppet strings Hbomberguy's Plagiarism video set, where you need *literal verification of journalists* in order to make any type of video, of any genre. Not just educational or research vids. It might not hit within twenty years, but it's not a bad thing to be cautious. Anyways: Bad Review. Cry moar kid. 😎
I AGREE WITH THIS SO MUCH! THANK YOU! ESPECIALLY with the portrayal of mental state in the pilot. It’s not bad writing when a show or book or whatever shows how each characters is unique even in the way they even THINK, how they view their life. (E.i One character romanticizes the world, while the other is distrusting and negative.) They also did this with Mordecai, with the ticking clock and border as he aims his gun. It’s much less noticeable because it’s clear and straightforward, like Mordecai, unlike Rocky’s mindset which is all flashy and theatrical. The attention to almost every detail is why I love this pilot and Lackadaisy as a whole.
This video was fine as the perspective of a person who has only watched the pilot and knows nothing else. But a lot of what is complained about is actually intentional and will make more sense as the seasons role out. For example, Rocky seems unreliable, attention seeking, and unhinged because he is. He is a literal sociopath who, like most sociopaths, is a narcissist. He is also an overly curious adrenaline junkie. He is the only main character who is actually insane. He also isn't THE main character. Think of the series more like the old TV series Friends where the main character role is shared by six people. Rocky isn't the most important overall. Also, Freckles seems unhinged here but he isn't normally. He and Rocky were raised as brothers but, as a sociopath, Rocky doesn't think of him in "brotherly" terms. Freckles has been harassed and messed with by his sociopath brother most of his life. So, he has a lot of repressed anger and rage that he usually holds back except for when a situation justifiably calls for violence. 99% he is normal.
the below was written right before RT talked about the comics,shorts etc. , so take it with some or a bucket of salt. I won't delete the below so this can show my thoughts while i watched this. Again, do not take this as gospel/ hard-critique, just as a thought-flow. "'Minor'" exposition (spoilers for comics, shorts): Rocky and the Poem: Poem is in the Comic, and is mostly to show that he is talented in Rhymes and singing. (him Falling off the bridge into the patch of grass, just like the shorts/trailer of Rocky getting stuck on Barbed Wire for Cattle when jumping off a train for his stop, getting his shoulders dislocated as a child during an experiment with Freckle (short), or in the comic.... no i will not spoil most of that, just know he'll bleed in one part(s)) Rocky saying he has "Spagetti-arms": it's an excuse to not dig. Mordecai: the reason he is there, is bc he formaly worked with the Lackadaisy crew (see short about Ivy's childhood, when her father went to sell his car. (feat. Mordecai, Victor, etc.)) Freckle as the lead: well, he did fail the exam-thing to become a cop (hence his compotence with guns (see comic, certain chapter)), so I can see why youl'd see Freckle as more of a potential Protagonist. "Why isn't Victor doing the Digging and hauling of the booze?" or sth along those lines: War vet, lost his eye due to sth else if i remember correctly, his health isn't at it's best as it was during Lackadaisy's prime, so he is behind the counter now. (I believe it was due to some scuffle with other gangs? might be wrong here though). "Mitzy get's a ray of hope": more so reminising the old days, before she lost her husband (see Ivy-flashback-short for a pinch of what her husband was like) "Rocky is the main character": Imo it's more-so Ivy, with her best friends. Ivy also works day shifts at Lackadaisy, and is alr familiar with most of the staff and the establishment, not as much as Mitzy, duh, but still on a decent lvl. To me the premis is still "how will the old Run-down Speak-easy rise up again, after Mitzy's husbands death?"
While this guy has some criticism, 80% of this video just seems to be nitpicks, or just very subjective. Remember, Lackadaisy as of now is just a pilot, and suffers no more, if not less problems than most of the big indie animation pilots, and is the best looking visually in my opinion. Also, I would recommend the comics. They're neat. P.S. nah, this guy a furry. he ain't fooling anyone.
I love this guy! He has a way of making it a bit more obvious that he is developing a style for his videos. Even if I don't agree with some of the criticism, everything here is a valid. Keep doing what you're doing man.
I agree with some of your critique, even though I enjoyed the pilot. One thing I really dislike in some pilots-especially in indie animation-is the unnecessary introduction of too many characters instead of focusing on the more important ones. That said, there are a few points where I disagree with your take, as some criticisms felt like nitpicking. I understand you’re not a fan of Rocky; I also think he received too much screen time that could have been shared with Pepper and Freckles, and they need to also tone him down a bit. However, I respectfully disagree with the suggestion that Freckles should be the main character, that he and Rocky should be portrayed as brothers, or that Victor should have accompanied them instead of Rocky. Personally, I prefer how it was written and executed rather than suggesting alternative directions. Even if the story had taken a different path, what truly matters to me is how well the ideas are executed.
These videos have been very helpful for the pilot me and the rest of the crew are working on. Heck one of the first thing me and let’s call them F for privacy sake talked about during the very beginning of the rewrite was the writing of the modern day animation industry and our frustrations with it. And F and our other writer have been doing a fantastic job doing their research into both writing and the topics we want to cover. And how one would portray them in a series or movie basically what this is saying is keep making these videos they are making a difference.
The reason why the characters are so edgy is because the comic was made in an time where that was what people considered cool back then. You know the 2005 to the 2015 or so. A lot of characters were edgy, psychopaths, depressed, insane, overly violent, and also lol random. So yeh, that checks, they want to stay close to the source material.
Might have been an opportunity to update it. You don't always need to stick to the source material if it was something you wrote 10 years ago. Heck, I would not let anyone adapt my writing from 10 years ago without significan changes.
@@RoamingTrend I suppose, still I don't think having those type of characters is bad, it's a preference. I'm a 90's kid so I do like some edgy characters. I guess it is easy to write these type of characters, cause they help shake the plot, cause protagonists that aren't as chaotic, they usually wait for the antagonist to do something to move the plot so the good guys can act on it.
Is Mordecai voiced by ProZD? Because I think he’s rough here. But yeah I agree, I kinda hate the annoying psycho character trope that’s inundating the medium.
You might consider checking out the pilot cartoon reality bytes. It's more slapstick focused, but it has surprisingly great sound design and plot structure to establish it's characters
Hey I really like your videos. You’ve helped me to take writing and these things more seriously. I appreciate it. There’s a vacuum to be filled here that could raise the game of all these already beautiful indie animations
I just thought of something regarding these kinds of writing-poor indie animations you’ve been covering lately and Lack is an excellent example of it. I get the feeling like they wrote it not with a literary story in mind but completely with the animation in mind. They had ideas in their heads about how certain fluid animations would look, fight scenes, facial expressions, and then just wrote excuses for those animations to happen. Which is not surprising, these teams are lead by very skilled animators. They bring to bear the visuals first, and think about why those visuals could occur always second. I’d be interested in a concept of how you could incentivize these animator directors to write a story first and think about the visuals and aesthetics later, or a writing style tailored to making good stories that branch out of visuals alone: well made story excuses for beautiful animation.
Yeah, I feel like it's a bit unfair to imply that Digital Circus is all spectacle with no story. And it's super unfair to put it with Hazbin Hotel and Murder Drones. It's certainly goofy yes, but it does have a story to tell. And characters do get their own moments for them to develop. To be honest I feel it strikes a pretty good balance with comedy and serious moments.
You know, I really appreciate that you went the extra mile to integrate your fursona into the footage of the episode like where you use a yellow shield to deflect the bullets from freckles, that's very amusing, does kind of mess with the 4th wall though.
It’s primarily holding up on having a furry audience. Why then should it avoid ‘furry’ writing? Superficial kisch is one of the hallmarks of furry design an is part of the reason why furry art is such a liberating medium for escapism. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
10:50 Freckle: He just goes nuts as soon as he gets a gun into his hand. That's also why they didn't take him at the Police Academy lol Rocky: lots of Backstory again.
I just assumed since they are protecting their turf, right? I mean, that's kind of the problem when I don't know why the villains are even there or care.
Can you talk aboutThe Metal Family next? I think you’ll actually enjoy it. It’s not trying to be the next blockbuster, or the next insane big idea, it’s a simple story about a family.
Imo it’s a good pilot with some minor flaws also I don’t think you should judge Rocky’s character because it’s just the pilot, when the rest of the season comes out then you can judge Also have you seen LS Mark’s cartoon pilot?
The role of a pilot in regards to the characters is to introduce us to the cast, their personalities and their roles tehy start off with. I should not need to already know the complete season to understand the base characteristics of any character or even to be allowed to make a judgemnt of them.If after having seen the promotianl material, I have a certain impression of the character, the character development thouogh the show can change this impression, but it is still the impressional judgment caused by what was shown to introduce the character.
this whole video is like a some child who found a new fandom trying to tell other people about it but not wanting to seem to into it lest other people think he is weird.
@@RoamingTrend i explain in the first comment. you are to left brain to be making this video. you are taking this to litterly, you contradicted yourself twice by literally explaining the thing that confused you, and you took a joke at face value . What’s the point of even a furry meter? every Indy animation has this kind of personality for their characters.
I am not sure, but I know its a hit or miss for people. I like this little "hand of of the artist" still looming, but I can see how it may be distracting to others.
Yeah, it's stylistic choice. This is meant to reference old animation where lines were not completely erased (Robin Hood, for example). For the pilot, those lines were mostly drawn later, but in season 1 they plan to keep the actual rough animation
Very fair criticism, I agree in 95/100% of points, the pilot is a spectacle but as you said just sudden small changes in dialogue and story telling would have made it more solid and criticism proffed
Yes! I loved your idea about making Freckles the main and your plot changes make so much more sense. I would be excited for episode 2 if your version had appeared on screen, but as is, I think I'm good. I will prob watch the next episode just for the animation, but maybe put it on mute.
17:23 they did get some of the alcohol silly I mean it isn’t a lot, but they still got some alcohol 🥃 Now, granted some of the alcohol was sort with bullets, but they did get some of the alcohol
3:23 sometimes you doesn’t always need to be smart to create a good and magical song 🎶 sometimes if you have a little bit of imagination and hard to it, you can play music with the snap of your fingers imagine all the symphonies of the 80s the music of eon in your ear 👂
Hey you should review crunch it doesn't have the best animation but is impresive the fact that it looks decent because this man alone did it with nothing more than a phone his neighbor computer that cant even play minecraft and only a mouse he didn't even have a keyboard and he draw this shit in ibis paint but the 100% free no virus and in the time of 4 months you know but there is no version in english for now liners said that he is planning to make a english dub for it and fun fact: one of the biggest latinoamerican lolcow that is considered to be the latinoamerican chris chan wanted to voice act in crunch you know why because he is an antagonist in the manga he is not there as a joke he is dead ass serius antagonist he beats one of the members of the main cast doomentio has more wins than almost all of the kyoto students in jujutsu kaisen and you know whats worse is that he fits in the narrative he doesn't feel that he is out of place and there is more wild shit to talk about crunch but is in spanish so maybe you wouldn't be able to watch it
theres too much details on the lil things as how lights ranges and such maybe worded better by just stating that the scene needed to be approach differently to make a better impact instead of using a gag joke also i get that is a grounded historical story (meaning is a world without magic or extreme quirky stuff like ed, edd and eddy) and yes it needs logic but since is bunch of animals doing lil quirky and dumb stuff it can be excuse as long as the characters IQ dont drop also it sounds like you are tired maybe take a break and then re watch the pilot again it helps
The Blue cat really annoyed me. He’s the mandatory “crazy” character. But compared to Jax in TADC he’s not toned down. Also, how has TADC put out three videos in a year and Lackadaisy hasn’t uploaded a video in an entire year?
Because it's still just the pilot? It took years to actually bring a pilot into an actual series unless the story is one-shots, probably less time but could be more if some things in the episodes are connected to one another
TADC is part of a bigger indie animation studio and its 3d animation. While both are very difficult and require lots of skill, with 2d animation (specifically the style lackadaisy has) requires you to redraw every frame to keep motion smooth and looking good. Also, TADC already had its first/only season plotted out and doesn’t have to make sure it’s sticking to already existing lore and characters, since goose made the story specifically to be animated for glitch. And, my guy, it HAS updated in a year. Short animations do count, especially considering to amount of effort they require. Jax and Rocky are very, different characters. Jax wants to make everyone’s life a living hell to make himself feel better, while rocky is more just chasing the adrenaline, so of course Jax isnt as outwardly crazy as Rocky.
> Also, how has TADC put out three videos in a year and Lackadaisy hasn’t uploaded a video in an entire year? You might've noticed the small unimportant detail that Lackadaisy is drawn while TADC is CGI, yes? It took them three years to draw those 27 minutes, which is actually impressively fast, considering the quality of the animation. ...They've also uploaded _fifteen_ videos since the pilot, what are you even talking about.
Murder Drones is particularly awful. It's actually painful to sit through. ADC mainly has a problem with Jax (that's the purple bunny right?) I'll make a video about them if I find an interesting angle. Otherwise, my 7 deadly sins addresses everything. 😅
@@RoamingTrend Yeah fuck it why not make another 7 deadly sins video? I'm very curious to see how TADC and Murder Drones fits into the 7 deadly sins of modern writing since both shows seem to be universally liked
@@RoamingTrend I’ll say this murder drones has major flaws being fast paced missing some key moments shifting from plot to plot without a good connection way too cryptic for its own good.
@@deadmanrang those shows are far better than Hazbin because that bar is low but I can think of some major problems for murder drones that does hurt it a lot
@@RoamingTrend I find them pretty enjoyable, but i want to see other people's view on them I even enjoy Hazbin Hotel, even if the inconsistency bothered me a little
I’m saying it simply here. This is a pilot, a pilot is an introduction. It doesn’t need to explain everything nor does it have to. This isn’t the series. You can criticize a pilot that’s fine and very valid. But this is like you looking at a short story and expecting it to tell you why the character wanted to wear the specific shirt they had been wearing in the story. It introduces the character and the basic premise. This is supposed to grab your attention and want you to get into the series. Which it did for me. If it dousnt do that for you then that’s ok. But your being nit picky. You’re acting like it’s supposed to explain to you every single little detail. Your question ‘maybe I’m being overly harsh’ is true. You’re being overly harsh.
The spectrum between nothing and everything is wider than you think. The pilot had characters and those characters did things, but they never explained why or why should we care. As I said, this is not a story, it's showreel material.
@@RoamingTrend actions and the reasons behind them are explained why in the series. Pilots are literally just a prototype and are what are used to green light a series. The Steven universe or adventure time pilots have the base of the shows they become but aren’t complete. A pilot is pretty much a showreel for animation. The pilot isn’t supposed to explain everything.
@@my-nostalgia-is-horror Can you show me where in the video he said everything needs to be explained? "The entire video" So you are talking out of your ass
While I still enjoy lackadaisy i understand alot of these complaints, even if they don’t break the pilot for me. Also do you plan on doing a critique of TADC everyone seems to only praise it or say it has masterpiece writing, and while it’s not bad I personally don’t get the hype. For example I don’t like he humor, and the fan fav Jaxx does nothing for me he honestly feels more like a jerk sue then a character the just happens to be a jerk.
