LAND CRUISER 300 VS INEOS GRENADIER. Handling the Media Hype | 4xOverland 

Hey mate - I think we agree wholeheartedly on some significant percentage of this, and I take your critical points on advisement. (You are, of course, more of a diplomat than me.) I am somewhat more critical of Toyota's performance with DPF implementations, and 'dusting', etc., but I agree with you that as a tow platform and a reliable off-roader, it is overall very hard to beat, and I doubt the 300 will be substantially worse than the 200 for the average grey nomad towing his van to Dingo Piss Ck. I enjoyed your report, BTW. Well done. I would add with respect that my comments about Toyota being the "king of mediocrity" do not pertain to the Landcruiser exclusively, but to Toyota as a brand more broadly. We are in furious agreement that in general, Toyota has decompiled the secret sauce of reliability - I've never had a shot at them for that. Love your work, dude - I mean that most sincerely. Well done. We'll both watch the 'hot vee' experiment with some interest. Great video mate. I find it hard to disagree with you on the vast majority of it. There's always a disconnect between the suburban LC owner and the actual adventurer to consider, also.

It's starting to seem like the best way to get a good modern offroader is to take something made in the 80-90s and then modernise it yourself.

Find yourself a woman that loves you as much as Andrew loves the drop down tailgate.

Lol when andrew started saying his largest disappointment, i started saying to myself, "is it the split tailgate? Is it?" As he zooms in to the back of the car i actually laughed so hardXD

I think that all big car-manufacturers who have build real off road vehicles are going more and more soft because there's more money to grab in the SUV-world. I think that, in the future, we are gonna have to rely on smaller car manufacturers who are specialised in other niche markets (mine build, military, agricultural,... ) to have what we want, a real offroad vehicle who can take the punishment of the unbeaten paths. Best Regards, David

No split tail gate… um yeah we understand. I’ll stick with my 200

I agree 1000% on the split tailgate. It's a phenomenally useful feature.

LC 300 is a mall crawler. "Cashed-up bogans" will love it.

The Land Cruiser is, sadly, evolving into a Road Cruiser.

Can you do a real deep dive on the GRENADIER, the bmw straight 6 diesel, the solid axels, steel rims, 8 speed auto, all that stuff.

If I had the money I would buy a Grenadier in a heartbeat. But as I don’t have the cash needed, I got the second option on my list; the new Jimny. After driving/testing it for a few weeks, I have no regrets what so ever.

I love my 80 series even more after watching this. Been waiting for your opinion of the 300, and I wasn't disappointed.

Don’t care for the “low profile tires” and the low slung body panels….frankly it’s stupid, but that’s the market they’re following. They do their market research and find this is what most people will buy.

GRENADIER looks really good, and yes I have a 2015 defender. Would keep the defender even if I end up getting a GRENADIER.

I love how he roasts Matt Watson and Carwow. Well deserved honestly, theyve become hugely clickbaity.

My 200 Sahara is now 11 years old , I bought it new, has done a LOT of outback and remote touring. It is so heavily modified it is irreplaceable. Infact for the past 4 years it is kept at home and only gets used for touring / camping so we can extend it's life. Once I physically see a 300 I will order one if it looks like it will do the same. Otherwise , I'll put more money into the 200 and keep it going. Anywhere you go in the outback, you hear the idle of the V8 Landcruiser Diesel. You can count Patrols on 1 hand each day.

Couldn't agree more about the tailgate. That mini rant was very satisfying. 80 series owner here

The ineos layout is quite well considered, the little bars either side of the switch gear will allow you to do it without looking as you gain muscle memory. Same as your g wagon levers.

ANDREW. You say the 200 land cruiser is and excellent how vehicle at that you see everyone towing with them for that reason .. you fail to mention that with their 600 odd kg payload that 90% of those people are over their GVM and are NOT EVEN LEGAL !!!!! Sometimes I just can’t take you seriously

I knew I was really interested in the Grenadier, when the LC300 release was not as important for me as the interior release of the Grenadier! I know the Grenadier is still months ahead of being production ready, but I am really really hoping they get everything right. Fingers crossed.

Well done, Andrew. I turned that other fella off well before his video was through.

I enjoyed this immensely. I'd love to see you get your hands on these vehicles.

ITS LIKE MY TWO DADS ARE HAVING A FIGHT

If you ask me (i know you did not), a "real" LandCruiser has rear barn doors!

I can’t stomach John Cadogan. Good video 👍

If you watched the Toyota Engineering release, a lot of the weight savings were in the chassis with a new welding technique

If you want a defender get a defender. Don’t buy a rebranded defender made by a company with zero ethics and a history of shady behaviour

What a brilliant video. I have enjoyed it so much that i have watched it more than once. Thanks Andrew

Wouldn't be surprised to see Toyota bring back an FJ in a couple years, for a more pure/fun off-roader. The Land Cruiser hasn't been a Land Cruiser since the 80 series. And I owned a 100 series...

I totally agree with you on the split tailgate. I love this feature on my 80 Series Land Cruiser. I often use it as a seat and table when out and about, specially at the beach. Plus it's a handy step when loading the roof rack. It's disappointing Toyota removed this feature. It's like Nissan deleting a diesel option for the Patrol, or Land Rover adding electronics & digital technology to the Defender. Oh wait..., both manufacturers did. I guess this what happens when they sell more to people using them in urban settings than for off-road. I just hope the LC300 isn't the beginning of the end for the Land Cruiser.

Hello! Dear Andreu, a Venezuelan residing in Chile writes you, I have been following you for a couple of years, regarding your comments about the new Land Cruiser L300, I totally agree with you. I know it is not the topic of your channel but maybe Toyota adapted all the modifications based on the changes that current society presents, both contemporary men and women are not so tough, and for that reason, Toyota has softened their line of 4x4 vehicles. Probably, you and the followers of your channel are romantics of adventure and we always seek to do things on our own without so much electronic assistance, that is why we resist changes. Take care and stay healthy!

You and John need to do a co-production . 1 in a 300 , 1 in a greny, pick a medium level track find the definitive Aussie 4x4 . You guys would get on great , just don't mention backwards facing scoops.

Thank you! I really value your opinion because of your vast experience with off-roading. When the Grenadier was announced, I registered right away, so I could buy one. But they are asking the same price as a luxurious Defender! I think that Ineos should have only 3 models. One plain Jane working vehicle, ready to be customized by the owner, the other as a Mall Crawler/ football/tennis mom ride with 20" wheels, leather all around, front and read dash cams, sunroofs, buttons, and whistles, 16 speakers, subwoofers, tinted glass, carpeted, onboard internet wifi, center console cooler, etc. and the other an ARMORED model for the high-end business execs, Arnold Schwarznegger and the mafia. Cool, huh?

I'm excited about the Grenadier. I live and work in Dubai already owning a Nissan patrol. What worries me is the BMW engine as they have a notorious reputation for failure in the Middle East. So this might be the Grenadiers achiles heel. Ill still be reserving one in October though.

Of course the new LC300 series is a great vehicle. On the other hand the Grenadier is going to be a LEGEND ! Simple, well built, and an excellent execution ! Can’t wait to see it ..

I'm just sad that I already experienced a pure off-road machine without automatic gearbox or electronics for several years... Because now I just can't find the ineos grenadier interesting enough... Or other brand new off road in fact (oh the Jimmy is actually ok, but small...)... the grenadier has a lot of potential but then it just fails with that hi-tech BMW engine and automatic gearbox...

I drove LAND CRUISER 80 since 1997 . IT has 4 lit. Straight 6 and manual. I install mechanical lokkar on front Axel. ITs Clocked 650,000 kilometer now. I drove her in city, town, mud, flood and jungle track, Crossing river, drove on gravel ,towing and pulling. Its lifted to 3 inches. Keping 2 sets of wheel for different purposes. It is still running good and I am very pleased.

Cruiser with no split rear tailgate is going to come back and bite Toyota.

My dear Andrew @4Xoverland - I challenge you, despite you spoke out so many peoples' mind and even mine, and therefore I am challenging myself as well - but lets try to stay factual - per fact sheet - As you did it with us when everyone was beating up the new "defender" after its release ... I somehow still do trust that Toyota Engineers (certainly not their designers) have done a good job. And lets look at the positives first (as per specs given) and it is certainly not the king of mediocrity ;-) + Rear axle was kept - great + Three locking differentials (rear-, middle- and front) - Hurray, finally + KDSS was obviously improved - which is a obviously a great helper + The steering was re-engineered - I hope this will improve the LC typical not os direct steering + Fuel Economy +/- Some of the weight gain comes from the way the frame and body was mounted adhesives and how reinforcement applied - as per marketing material it will be more rigid but lighter - to be proven +/- for me the interior is far to bling bling, but at least is has arrived in the 21st century - Tailgate - I couldn't agree more with you and I fully undestand you - it is one of the reasons why I love my 100 series ;-) - Seize of engine - that they killed everything above 3.5L+ and the V8 - R.I.P. - that is sad news for us overlanders and petrol heads but then ... (read next point below ...) + however at most Toyotas' serious competitors you hardly get, if at all, a 3L Engine mostly 2.5/2.8L - so I would say 3.5L is still good (compromise) -> on side note: I find it hilarious that the engines get smaller but engine bays bigger ?! (all manufacturers) => I think we have to see this through another lens: taking a step back it looks to me as they have made the LC make a statement against its eternal rival, the Nissan Patrol - and from this point of you I do think that made a great job (apart from the tailgate). => In a nutshell, on paper, it does actually look not that bad, not at all. apart from some complicated body panels and certainly its huge front apron is rather disturbing, but this is unfortunately the trend - again yo will be able to modify it... if they like it or not BTW: I love my old 10O series is "only" 6 cylinder - but a straight six and 4.2 litres/diesel - you cannot kill it, withturbo ? Why do I challenge you/me, all of us - I think we should look less emotionally on the changes despite I am not so sure what to think about it neither - let us experience them first - then we will see - AGAIN I am sure as you are - It will be far from mediocrity BTW - I have laid my eyes on a beauty of LC 200 series, a little bit modified ...

I think we need to get John in a new Landcruiser with an aluminium shiita behind it, and send him off to Dingo piss Creek, with some mates, beers and of course his blue singlet... Yesss ssh! !!

Yes you are 100% right about split tailgate. As a BMW X5 owner the split tailgate has been used to watch my sons numerous soccer matches

Regarding the roof console in the Grenadier. There are few buttons and well spaced, I could see it being an easy muscle memory programming thing. But yes, that interior, much 9 y/o oooooooooooooooh. Do want.

How does this channel not have more than 258,000 subs???

Andrew your vast experience and honesty always shines through. Brilliant post 👏🏼

Land rovers kill them selfs and almost went bankruptcy many times when they moved up market and makes thier vehicles more luxurious, i hope toyota learn the lessons here with land cruiser line

Now that was a well thought out rant Andrew, you made lots of sense to me but there again I'l from the old school of adoring the old Heavy Duty 6 Pot Land Rover 109" hardtop with split tailgate only to be beaten off road by an ex MOD 90 n/a 2.5d but the 6 cyl Rover unit as old and thirsty as it was was excellent.

Just make the split tailgate an option. Sorted. Have seen and ridden in the Prototype Ineos Grenadier here in the UK where it is touring for potential clients to see. Still a work in progress but was pretty impressive considering short time from conception to reality.

"I want those buttons!" LOL! It does seem like a great setup that Grenadier!

Fantastic review. I freaking love your brutal honesty, your blunt reasoning and your transparency of emotion. That emotion especially makes you human and believable, and your credentials speak to the foundation from which you speak. Far more meaningful of a video than one where someone blandly smiles and presents an insultingly insincere hype review.

Couldn't agree more. I couldn't wait for the ineos, so I bought a 76 series👍

The Grenadier look so tempting. And they seem to do things the right way. Thy bought the Smart Factory and now producing Smart cars for practice. The 6 cylinder BMW engines are incredible. Super reliable and so smooth. Steyr Puch is designing the 4WD. Again one of the best companies in the world for that kind of job... Carraro is supplying the solid axles, which is also an excellent choice. And looking at the axles, they look solid. The differentials alone... My guess is, that the drivetrain of the Grenadier will be really good. It seems as if they make all the right choices.

I've put my name down for the Ineos even though i've got an S5 Patrol. I just like land rovers lol

I'm with you man!! That tailgate is my kitchen when camping, and my picnic table at lunch.

Split tailgates (not barn doors, i can see why people like them, but they probably haven't experienced split tailgates) are the best thing since slice bread. love it in my 80 Series, and the storage mod for the lower tailgate is a must.

Split tailgates are the bomb!

Less than two minutes out of 26 on the Ineos Grenadier, you should've said this video was going to be about the Land Cruiser 300 and left it at that.

I think the surviving G Wagen on the Canning Stock Route Mercedes shambles was the 300CDI Professional, not the 290GD. That I'm sure would have performed well also.

I'd LOVE to hear your thoughts on the UAZ Hunter and UAZ "Bukshanka"

Toyota may be putting their foot in their mouths , When your out in the bush you need a strong reliable (indestructible as Top Gear would say) motor and not a sofa on wheels like the new Defender.

"Keep your LandCruiser 200 till it falls to bits!" well I'm in America, so that's regrettably our only option. But I'm not a CEO so I can't afford a new one anyways, best I can do is a 100 or a GX470/60 (Prado). Ineos? HA! I'd have to own a large Tech company to afford one of those. Now a Bremach? Maybe I could do a new one if they ever get it off the ground. **SIGH**

Brilliant commentary Andrew. Couldn't agree more with you on the tail-gate issue. What were they thinking? When they start catering for old ladies with shopping bags, that's where they lose me. Thanks but no thanks, I am still perfectly happy with my 100 thank you very much. It has been a 22 year affair.

I watched John Cadogans videos on the 300, and his only complaint I hear that was real and not adjectives was that it had a DVD player still. And I absolutely agree with the loss of the split tailgate. The fold down 3rd row is along the same lines.

A good critique between the new 300 series and previous models based on your vast 4WD'ing experience - thank you and I agree wholeheartedly. I have been following the development of the Ineos Grenadier since inception and recently went for a ride in one in Ballarat VIC. It is shaping up to be a pearler! I own multiple modified 4WD's so filter any advantages and shortcomings against my own cars and driving experience. The only thing I think Ineos need to do to enhance their vehicle is offer an option of larger wheels. The 31.5" are just to small and it suffers from a lack of ground clearance

John loves to bash on Toyota, while being all biased towards Hyundai or Kia.

Great discussion, but as you say we really won’t know until we drive it and see what happens after 12 months of them being used. I am restoring an 80 series at the moment and love the split tail gate! Will be interesting to see what the longevity of the 300 is, with electrification coming fast I think the 400 will arrive faster than 14 years.

Spilt tail grate is also great for changing nappies on 🤣

5:00 they didn't sent Gelandewagens.... They send Gwagons (maybe even AMG versions) and had problems BUT the Gwagen professionals that where there to support the mission and deliver parts did not break

My thoughts exactly regarding the split tailgate. When I discovered Toyota were omitting it I thought that the designers were idiots. It’s a huge fail for Toyota. A very stupid decision.

The INEOS Grenadier , will make the Land Cruiser look like a transvestite in high heels.

I own a 2012 Tacoma. One of the main reasons for buying it was it's reliability.

4:56 G professional did not break down

Andrew: "After my careful analysis of this platform with my numerous years of experience..." Cadogen: "Shitsville" "Shit box" 🤣🤣 I just summed up 90% of his videos.

That Inios interior is awesome, who doesn't want a switch panel on the roof like an aircraft? So good, they've also put switches ready to just plug in additional accessories 👌🏽 And yep you can't beat a fold down tail gate, they are awesome.

Andrew I think we all need to actually wait until they arrive and get realy tested in Australian conditions

Grenadier for me all the way! I also have to agree on the split tailgate. I bought a Disco 4 V8 last year and its definitely a deal breaker. Such a lovely and usable feature to have. Thank you for the fantastic video as always!

80% of these vehicles will never see a dirt road. Especially in the higher trim levels.

'Off Roading' is the '911' too the Porsche brand.. They need to make the best in that space so that they make their profits from the softer ranges [Cayenne, Boxster, Panamera.. etc..] -Its the 'Halo' category for the sales in all other spaces. If Grenadier is more hard core, Toyota will then need to make a 'Dakar' spec, stripped back Landcruiser, with cut aways for ground clearance etc..

You mentioned something about the v6 and it caught my attention, the torque ... Engine V6 Ford V6 4.0 SOHC 210 hp and 345 nm torque @ 3700 rpm Chevrolet V6 4.3 Vortec 200 hp and 350 nm torque @ 2800 rpm Mitsubishi 6G75 V6 3.8 MIVEC 250 hp and 330 nm torque @ 2750 rpm Engine Straight Six Toyota 1FZ-FE 4.5 straight six 220 hp and 373 nm torque @ 3200 rpm Nissan TB48DE 4.8 straight six 250 hp and 420 nm torque @ 3600 rpm What i mean by this is because these V6s have their peak torque quite close and even lower than the straight six

I'm not a fan of purchasing a first year new addition/series/ generation vehicle of any type! But I really like Ineos👍. But I don't know when it will, if ever come stateside. 😕 I prefer a dedicated Utility vehicle (Ineos) as opposed to a shopping car (LC300). AND,, I Agree 💯 with your comments on the split Tailgate.😍 Love them. And Ambulance style rear doors also 😍👍. Safe travels 🍻, G. In beautiful Boulder City Nv. USA 🇺🇸

'jurnos' ... I think Andrew is becoming Aussie now! 😂

Yep it’s butt fugly for sure Andrew and in my opinion John Cardogan was spot on 😎👍🍻 By the way John hates 4WD’ers and caravans too lol 😂

There was a good V6 at low RPM, the 4.0L in the FJ cruiser. But look at the conditions, it had electronic assistance with the crawl control, mechanical assistance with the rear e-locker, it also weighs literally a ton less than the new Landcruiser. It’s a case of matching up the power plant, mass and projected performance nicely. But the big 300? No, I sucked it up and bought a 200 last year instead.

I agree with everything you’ve said in this video, the land cruiser starting from the 100 series has had poor approach and departure angles and is slowly becoming a softroader. I’m sad that there’s no 300 series here in the US but I guess now is the best time to buy a 2021 land cruiser and keep it forever, I do love the split tailgate.

really like your commentary on this with your huge experience in this field and you make a lot of sense, cheers.

I have a 100 series and im not content with the 2 pinion front..... 80 and 70 series though... Tried and proven TOUGH!!!

Toyota has made the same mistake that Land Rover has, they are doing what they want to and not listening to their loyal customers. Both of them can take a page from Ineos' book! Ineos LISTENED to the public and made it the best utilitarian vehicle it possibly could be. I WILL OWN A Grenadier one day, purely because they listened and I will support a company that listens to me and my needs!

I love the split tailgate design on my 200 series. Hated the barn (side opening) door on my 120 series. My 99 4Runner has the full tailgate that open up but also allows the rear window to lower so I am pretty happy with that. Additionally the front seats can fold flat to the second row seats. Can't do that on the 120 (GX470) or 200 series power seats. In the end, I would still choose the split tailgate over the roll down window on the 4Runner. It is so much more versatile. It can be a changing table, sitting tailgate, hold your tools, standing platform to load the roof, etc...

100% Agree with respect to the split tailgate. The split tailgate is a brilliant design. It's one of my favourite features on any off-road wagon.

Myself, and I have seen a few others- have been absolutely shouting at Ineos to give you a demo vehicle. It is honestly the only 4wd I have been excited about since.... well, a long, long time. I still drive a Discovery 2. Added some differential locks front and rear, and that 4.6 v8 gets me everywhere. New vehicles just aren't that exciting, and not that good as a purchase. Living here in the United States, the Jeep Rubicons are undoubtedly quite good out of the box, but with so many electronic components, things just go wrong too often. Please, let us as a community, work on getting you a demo Grenadier!

Andrew what about the Grenadier's plastic BMW engine? It has a history of faults and been around for ages. Would you really pick it over a 300 series based on realiabilty? They even had to take the engine plastic cover off it to fit under the bonnet and numerous critical parts are all made from plastic. Transmission is great on it, suspension, platform etc etc but l think they dropped the ball on picking the engine. I would wait a couple of years on both before purchasing as you have suggested.

How do I give more than one thumb up? Right, Patreon. Ok, you earned it with this video for sure.

A V6 diesel 3L 10 speed Auto, towing I don't think so, it'll be hunting gears all day long💨

Interesting, I went from an 80 series Tojo (manual turbo diesel) to a LR disco1 diesel, manual of course.( the price of which was the same as what I sold the Toyota for) Good, simple, fun toy. You do get a bit seduced by Landys. Next the D2 5 pot diesel, interesting capable car with oil sucking harness (the famous 3 amigos LR aways include a disaster feature at no extra cost!) Skiped the D3 and went with the last D4. Well, probably the best Disco, if a trifle soft, but capable+++. Love the offset split tailgate, pure genius! That is where my love will die re LR. The later models are ridiculously equipped and priced for a street car. Goodbye LR when it's over after repairs etc it will be, "hello INEOS". Cost? Well anything below overpriced LR products, will sell like hot-cakes. They have grabbed the market that LR destroyed.

I would say, Andrew, once the dealership learned that you are an influencer, their treatment of you would be much better than that available to the average joe.

I have 2 cars on the Road, a p38 Rangie (horizontal split tailgate) and a 2006 Rav4 (barn door style tailgate) I feel that the advantage of not having to add the weight of a rear wheel carrier on a barn door style means the space inside is far more useable especially when your tyres no longer fit in the standard wheel well (as in my Rangie) Other than that, Great vid

I have been following the Ineos Grenadier for some time now, and I think it’s what true 4x4 driving is all about, I can’t wait to buy one.

It's the same with all new versions, generic city supermarket style, bulgy panels, and impossible to fix on the road. Look at the new excuses for range rovers. The Grenadier at least looks the part. Only a few more years left for diesel and petrol anyway thanks to the controllers.

The split tailgate is going to hurt them. We might see an updated version in a few years to fix this stuff up. That's my hope anyway. Going to stick to the 200 for a long time.

A mate i go with 4wding down south with has a 100 series 1hdfte auto, im always god smacked at what it does, and what hes done with it, its a bloody tank!! But also uses bugger all diesel, we have 3x 2015 corolla at work as delivery cars all 230+ k's, they are relailable as the sun rise

The Grenadier has an amazing design, but that BMW powertrain, could be it downfall, for an off-road application.