My bandmate found this one on some Metallica fan site in topic about Dave Mustaine. Some people said that Metallica stole some of Mustaine`s riffs and reverse. Check this out !
You have to admire Lars' creativity. He may have not been the best drummer ever, but he beat boxed his ideas and would then learn it. I think that shows his composition abilities.
He didn't need to be the best drummer ever, but he was a great one. The Lars bashing nonsense is exactly that. The nonsense of a bunch of dumb sheeple.
I totally agree with you, typical thrash sound of those years, it also reminds me a lot of the sound of Dave's guitar that he had on the Peace sells album, very sharp and "ferocious." 🤟🤟🤟🤟
Yes and its wrote by Cliff ... almost the whole song was actually written by him ... from the band that was the last dedication for him as his last song ... also he wrote the lyric for that song ... so basically all credits goes for him for writting that song ... sadly they not really playing tht song live anymore ...
George Zoorob Jr makes you wonder why Dave’s name isnt on the song in the credits ...?.... well, I’ll tell you why , Because if Dave Mustiane Gets Just one more Credit on Killem All, The Album becomes more than half his , SO they way the have it , “Dave only co wrote” songs on the album , like these Pissy little fucks like to say, is bullshit .... but use your ears and it’s pretty obvious who wrote Killem all and whom Launched Thrash Metal
@@fjnenterprises2359and a lot of DiamondHead!¡ Ps Warner had one of my piss ants videos bänned lol. If anything my video made people listen to more Diamond Head! Oh well HAHA. Napster killed the Radio star :/ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bV5I_JiGCKM.htmlsi=DWRSOqrkhI012Nw7 Warner probably did me a favor really, prolly 3 strikes in this video alone. :/
@@fjnenterprises2359 7:30 Sid Vicious wasn’t pleased with this photo, it ( secretly )was why Dave got bounced. Sid on an island with Elvis, gave an order through Frank Sinatra, to HOOK EM’ off the stage!¡! :/
this sounds like my apartment in the 80s.....then my house in the 90s, then........i looked back and here i am 50 yrs old with nothing to show for my life but some really kick memories and some really kick ass nights with my brothers jammin, gettin high wasting a big part of our lives away...hummm...
I'm 35 but am in the same boat (still make music, of a very different kind if you check my channel, thats irrelevant though I think) but the fact that we played, really played music and made it good and loud I think that's really all that matters: who's grass would you rather have been greener, the folks looking at us saying 'damn I wish I could have played music'? Or us looking at some famous musicians saying damn those 'people had a lot of money/fame'? I'd say us. Because what the fuck is money and fame at the end of the when you shared with your best friends the actual real life magic of jams? I'm not exactly expressing myself all that well but I think you know what I'm saying.... ;) Just my thoughts on the matter...
jsogman This is a fantastic point. I've heard so many people who walked more "professional" paths in their lives (office workers, lawyers, etc.) who say "I wish I had just stuck to playing music because it's what I had fun doing". Even if you don't quote-unquote "make it" as a musician the same way that guys like Mustaine or Lars did with all the fame and money, that hardly matters when you remember that those guys got into music because they enjoyed it, not because they were looking for worldwide success. So long as you enjoy playing, there's no need to regret choosing that path, those memories and good times will stay with you longer than money will
BVD same boat man ..we walk a different path..👊👍 how many computer programmers say ..i remember this time we were programming...extra extra...i would rather be a broke guitarists than a boring guy with a Toyota prius and some hag thats just there for your money. .
6:10 Chosen One (Dave) 6:35 Lucretia (Dave) 10:20 Blood of Heroes (I guess Dave. If this was Dave, riff belongs to Blood of Heroes, however if this was James this study would turn into Until It Sleeps) 12:59 To Live is to die (James) Edit 5:58 The fourhorsemen slow part intro riff (Dave) 8:40 Seek & Destroy last riff (James because he picked up and down with some wrong notes. He had not yet had precise hands for picking. Dave had the precise hands at those days) 2:18 Skull Beneath The Skin First Rough partition (slower) (Dave) 4:53 Ride The Lightning bridge riff between intro and vocal partition (This one is rough. Check this in Rİde The Lightning 32th seconds. In Ride The Lightning you can see notes are pretty same but different stroke and pick) (Absolutely Dave) 8:52 Battery riffs were coming from this study. At 9:42 the bridge transition riff (James)
Man they really have been living in that sound Dave was creating right here in 1982... There still chugs and the way he was opening on riffs that they've just kept.. It is the way James learned which was from Mustaine so it would make sense.. Buts it crazy to think.. He is so important to what Metallicas sound became.. On albums well past his time with them.. Credited or otherwise.. Mustaine is the man that inspired an entire genre to evolve out of what he did with Metallica and then continued with Megadeth.. Just epic man.
@@metallicaandjustice1 No he had one song Hit the Lights which was from his previous band called Leather Charm.. Which Mustaine then turned into a Thrash song.. Hetfield was a vocalist only.. You'll also see that all their band shots with their respective roles and Hetfield is holding a the mic stand.. No guitar.. He knew basic cords and things but wasn't a guitarist.. Mustaine taught him to play the guitar his way, over 1982.. Hetfield started playing guitar in 1983 about 4 to 5 months before Mustaines exit.. You'll also notice that Ulrich got his name on the credits for Hit the Lights as well as a number of other songs he had no hand in creating.. Jump in the Fire was one of Mustaines first ever songs he wrote in his previous band Panic.. And guess what Ulrich stuck his name on it as well... They guy is a prick.. He stole shit and claimed credit constantly.. One final thing.. A couple of years ago Mustaine got a call from Hetfield asking him if he would OK the release of No Life Till Leather officially.. But Lars wants to have his name added to some of the songs credits namely Mechanix.. To which Mustaine said... Go fuck yourself you aren't getting credits on things he have no part in making.. And if Lars wants it so bad he should be the one calling not using Hetfield as a winch. They could have released it unchanged credits wise... But Lars refused unless he got credits added to the songs... And that folks is the type of person Lars really is.
@@metallicaandjustice1 And here is that quoted from Mustaine personally "James contacted me 2 years ago. We were going to officially release the "No Life Till Leather" demo as a record, w/27 tracks, pics, the whole enchilada, and the talks broke down because Lars wanted credit on two songs I wrote every note and word to. I have the texts. I passed."
Let’s not pretend like the songs Dave wrote or helped write were Metallica’s best songs. Did Dave write Master of Puppets? Creeping Death? Enter Sandman? Nothing Else Matters? Nope. All those songs are staples at Metallica’s shows, those songs turned them into a household name. Dave is awesome, he’s super talented and I’m a Megadeth fan but I get so annoyed of the notion that Metallica only became who they are because of Dave. It’s nonsense
@@PhantomDeth no there is a demo on metal massacre with has Lloyd grant on it’s still a thrash song. This is pre mustaine and james is playing rhythm on it and this was before Dave mustaine joined.Phil ansemo wrote the riff mouth for war for pantera so vocalists can write riffs. Metallica’s origins are to do with both james and Dave but hit the lights was always a thrash song even before Dave was involved. He is not solely responsible for their sound this is just something megadeth fans say because the love Dave mustaine. Dave did not teach James how to play guitar lol do your research.
That first riff sets the tone, amazing stuff. Although we all heard it before in their songs, it stays amazing. Just imagine to listen to this back in the day, must be incredible.
@Per Skarva nah Queen of Megadickriders, get over yourselves. Mustaine failed Metal when he got rid of Friedman, fired Menza when he had cancer and repeatedly let go of Ellefson (this doesn't count not giving a shit about Gar dying or treating Poland like shit when they all did drugs and drank), dude is toxic.
@@LoePenzz No Judas Priest song is a fully structured thrash song LMFAO. Everything from Motorhead to Angel Witch to JP to 1982 Venom was proto thrash. 'No Life Till Leather' is the first true thrash metal sound, as acknowledged by literally every rock musician from that era. The tone, the attitude, the tempo, riffs, *SOLOS* , vocals were all radically fresh.
Cristian Sosa Has I disagree , The breakup was inevitable, James and Lars simply could not play the music Dave would go on to Write , Mustiane had to go get World Class Virtuosos To Record his music , while Metallica peaked very early and then declined into mainstream rock .... somewhere around the time cliff died and The well of Mustiane dried up
@@frankpeltier7711 indeed, ALL THE GOOD SONGs on Kill em al are from Mustaine, as for Cliff Burton being the other genius! after his death u could CLEARLY HEAR how important both men were, even with Justice album the ROCK sounds begins, same as the Black album: Great rock music man! ever since 1990 or so metallica has been playing rock music, only first 3 albums were pure METAL ART thanks to Mustaine and Burton. imagine ALL the music from megadeth pomped into metallica until 1990! if Burton NEVER died they would have been LEgends, unlike this rockband playing rock music.
I think James and Lars wanted to keep control of the band to themselves. Dave was too strong character and they were worried that he will take a leading role.
Ado Podrinje there is only one thing that doesn’t make sense to me, Dove got kicked out because of drinking problems and irresponsible behavior but yet he succeed doing the same and more No to mention that Metallica gain reputation on the early days thanks to Dave’s talent
What some of you people don't realize that James was there as well, and wrote a lot of their riffs. More importantly, this is something I learned, this is likely several jams recorded over a space of time. You can even hear the tape being shut, to finish recording.
Ohhh Yeahh!! Sounds Cool!! I love it, reminds me a session lives of Dave Mustaine is playing some kind of blues in tokyo 1998. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Um-Cc9h1cEk.html
Damn... I miss the days of jamming in my buddy's garage... my mismatched CB 700 drums with homemade cymbal stands... recording on an old boombox... circa 1992
HeWolf 587372 , If I had to wonder, I'd say Dave kept it for about 30 years or so and used it for a handkerchief to cry into & wipe his tears - until they all finally attempted to try & bury the hatchet when they had that 1st reunion publicly on stage. Of course, James, Lars, Kirk, Roberto T. & even Jason & Rob McGovney were all there when Dave showed up wearing that old, original, former 'employee uniform' T-shirt that day before any of them actually went out on stage. Lars & James both were shocked to see he still had it. The six guys (besides Dave) all kinda chuckled & sneered a bit at him and James said,"Dave, you can't wear that on stage with us!". Dave, with big, tear filling eyes asked," Well..well why not? You guys called me & invited me here today, didn't you?...Lars, I know that was your own voice on the phone that said I could come jam with you guys!... Why can't I wear my favorite band T-shirt?....🙏pretty please!". In his whiney little begging voice, "It's gonna be just like the old days!". With a dumfounded & slightly irritated face, James replied,"NO... IT'S NOT. Dude, stop your crying. We aren't taking you back in the band. We,re just letting you back on stage for 1 or 2 songs so that fans think we get along now. Jason, same as you! We're not taking YOU back either. You two are back in the cab backstage & out of here as soon as 2 songs are done!... I'll give you another bus ticket instead, Dave. If you're wanting to re-live old memories....and Jason, no singing. Only I get to use a mic! This is just for a publicity stunt and extra money! Now Dave, wear this pink shirt & let's all get out there & get this shit over with!" Wait, one of you two "Roberts" gotta hang a minute backstage here & put more ice on these beers- they're fucking warm! Then wait for me to call you out on stage after I talk to the fans about Cliff for a couple minutes, got it? .... Alright guys, let's go!" 🎸👊💥😂😂😂
Lurtzi so Dave playing the song , earlier doesn’t count ..?.. don’t you understand what plagiarism is ? It’s Dave riff (as we can plainly hear) , so why no credit ..? ... you know why, because Lars and James are as Fake as it comes
Ja Ova lol..... yea Lars’s humming would have really come In Handy , Megadeth Has So my better and sophisticated songs than this , and when you guys say shit like that ? I know you’ve missed out Big time ....
Frank Peltier I Know Megadeth’s catalogue. But its a cool idea, because Lars has a great ear for music. I have heard everything Megadeth has to offer 80s to early 00s Megadeth was great with the exception of Risk. their new stuff is just whatever not my thing the producing is so average and it sounds like most metal bands out.
Ja Ova lol , so lame , why pretend you’ve even listen ? End game is epic , Dystopia is Epic , United Abominations is Epic , 13 is Killer and The system has failed is A Monster ... what the fuck are you taking about man , Metallica died with Cliff , it was obviously All Dave and Cliffs Music and inspiration , when that left they went mainstream radio pop metal.... Metallica is just a marketing logo like Macdonalds or Walmart
Frank Peltier endgame was average, so was 13... I agree with United Abominations and The system has failed being great. Metallica’s only weak album is St Anger in reality. It seems like Megadeth’s fans have a superiority complex cause deep down they know Megadeth will forever live In Metallica’s shadow as the band from the guy who used to be in Metallica. Unfortunately people will never know the genius of Megadeth especially when fans like you put off people. Megadeth fans are just like Tool fans. My favorite Albums are Peace Sells But Who’s Buying and So far So Good.. So what both masterpieces Rust In Peace a close third
Ja Ova at the end of the day Megadeths musicianship will be remembered over all , Metallica bullshit popularity is just that POPularity , live in their shadow ?? Lol only to you mainstream radio, fake pose bots You think pop metal like the black, load loads , lulu, Mega-netic - death (like we didn’t see that one ) and soft weird to implode are “good” ? those clowns shit out albums and you idiots eat it up , Megadeth is a Galactic Mile Past , the marketing logo called Metallica
***** It wasnt a Child saint, a band called child saints stole it from mustaine and made a song called "child saint" and it was rust in peace polaris. Dave tells that in alex jones interview.
This reminds me of back in the 1990s when I took up guitar and wrote songs with dreams of being in a band. I recorded my guitar parts on to a cassette tape. I recently got it out and converted the tape to MP3 for the fun of it. My timing was all over the place, even editing on audacity to try and fix mistakes, and the intonation of the guitar was off in some songs and others were slightly out of tune. But I shouldn't have given up on the dream after a few failed attempts to form a band. People around the world could have been looking back at that demo the same way they're looking back at Lars' guitar noises on this, if I was ambitious enough.
True but a lot of Metallica's success stemmed from being the right band at the right time with a barely competent drummer (at the time) having connections and early access to a music scene that barely hit the U.S shores. The staggering thing is how Lars winded up running into Mustaine/Hetfield and then brought a long Burton. That much talent winding up with each other and spearheading such a movement is having the stars align. It's not just them being one of the first either. Even if Metallica would've come a bit after Exodus, Slayer and Anthrax etc. Their music still would've stood out among the pack to my ears. They wouldn't have exploded quite like they did but with such songwriting that ended up on RTL-MOP-AJFA, they would've eventually grinded their way to the top regardless imo.
Or ambiguous enough? Once you find a band the inner dynamics have to meld or you will just end up like the Beatles anyway? Don't beat yourself up about it, it is what it is, whom knows what hardships that you missed? It is all water under the bridge. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. People whom push, will be pushed also. Like movie stars whom think they are above God.
friend, I know it's been 3 years but you should upload those demos to youtube it would be interesting to hear your musical ideas as a teenager, I would listen to it
Definitely Mercyful Fate and quite unbelievable, they sound from Melissa album but the latter wasn't yet released. Probably neither their first EP (Nuns Have No Fun) came out at that time.
No wonder determining riffs gets tricky. I had never heard Lars do composing like this. However, the person transcribing someone's ideas needs credit too. So now i understand despite being a drummer, why it is that his name is on every song. Very cool video, thanks for posting this.
Some of these riffs sound primitive compared to now , but thats how I like it ! Plus I know they were just bouncing ideas around too . I love it . Very cool to hear my friend . It was a very different time then . Born in 78 I missed it by a few years as it comes to playing in bands . But I was still inspired by both bands . I became a metal head young in 86 at 8 yrs old and still holding the torch for metal ! At least trying to keep it kindled lol !
yea he showed them , RattleHead, the Conjuring, last rites....But They Couldn't Steal Those songs for Killem all....Because They Could Never Play them , not then or Now , You 'tallica rulz' cretins, are a joke
Too hard and complex, also the riffs were so not James style, James style was more seek and destroy, creeping death, fight fire with fire, battery, master of puppets... Just different styles
dave wrote half the songs on that album lmao. he even has writing credits on it. and on a couple of songs on ride the lightning. so i guess you like dave's writing after all ;D
Naw, Hetfield wasnt even playing guitar in Metallica's early days. Mustaine and Holt invented the style. Mustaine's songs on Kill'em All are the stand out tracks.
@@777Eliyahu You do realise Hetfield wrote like 6 of the songs on Kill Em All? 😂😂. Also how did Mustaine and Holt create the genre when Megadeth and Exodus didn’t release their first album until 1985?
@@Craig-gq4gb I do "realize" that Hetfield contributed many songs to the album. Quality versus quantity, I prefer Mustaine's songs. Using album dates as a reference for the creation of the genre is a silly, especially in a scene that revolved around tape trading and demos in its early days. Exodus and Metallica with Mustaine were releasing music and playing shows way before any proper albums came out. So no, you're making a bad argument and showing lack of knowledge about early thrash metal.
@@777Eliyahu I’m struggling to see how playing underground shows with small amounts of spectators created a genre, when Metallica released the first actual album of that genre. It’s like saying Candlemass didn’t invent doom metal even though they made the first ever doom metal album
I’m late on this video I don’t know if anyone would see this. But consider this. If they never fired Dave they never would have hired Kirk. Now imagine if cliff and Dave had certain sleeping arrangements on a certain day that would led to Dave get thrown out of a certain bus that ended his career early. We’d still have cliff but everything you hear about him now would be getting said about Dave. Crazy shit
Hahaha, the only reason 'Chosen Ones' and 'Poison Was The Cure' didn't become Metallica songs on RTL was coz Lars and James were searching for tabs of Mustaine's jam tracks.
No megadeth song is as well written as Metallica songs from the same era. It’s just a fact. Megadeth is more technical though, and that appeals to some. Only exception is the ‘00-‘10s
barebare looking down the cross, mary jane, five magics, good mourning/black friday, my last words, and set the world afire are some really well written and structured songs
Thank God they didn’t because it would have made the album a lot worse. Imagine replacing Creeping Death or For Whom The Bell Tolls with those shitty songs 😂😂😂😂😂
Rory Gallagher crest of a wave predates paradise city. Slash wasabig fan of his. Also a song by the Nazz has a similar riff but I can't remember the title.
Look up zero the hero by Ian Gillan era Sabbath, pretty sure Slash said that's where he got the riff from. I know that's randomly a lot of metal heads' favourite Sabbath album like Lars and Slash
Nah, son. James practically wrote everything. Burton had a few songwriting credits, but his playing definitely contributed immensely to their sound. Hence the drop in quality after he died.
SepticSchizo955 aren’t you listening ? Ohhhhhh it’s you Pussy !!! BAHAHAHHAHAHA , And here we are, Dave Teaching James , and Lars so called “writing songs” , by humming , So Fucken Cheesy , Metalica Never Gave Dave enough credit , on any of their first four albums , which only makes sense since Dave was the Best and most creative member ...
R EMC I always wondered this myself. After all, the Metallica camp and Dave Mustaine have made up and are on good terms now. Just for fun they should get together and write one song. It would be awesome to have James and Dave both share vocals. If they ever did something like this I hope they would release it for free. That would be Badass!🤘🏻
Right now it would be shit. Dave can sing low notes, james cant sing at all unless its a ballad. Dave makes heavy music while metallica...lets say they are their own genre of metal. If they did that in the 80s or even 90s with jason on metallica it would be a masterpiece..
Slobodan Medojevic James and Lars ...?... you wish Man , you wish Mustaine had nothing to do with AJFA , And MOP, But Daves music , influence and Inspiration, followed Metallica until 1988 .... nice try man
@@frankpeltier7711 Dave influence is so minimal, this contains lots of jams from different times containing all members haha you fan boys love to claim everything Metallica did as Daves just admit your secretly huge Metallica fans and move on.
12:58 idk if Cliff was in the band at this time but thats some freaky shit. Imagine being in a band and then they come up with a riff that ends up on a tribute song about your death
This was in mcgovneys garage in LA the bassist before cliff. They hadn't moved to San fran yet so cliff wasn't in the band just yet What song did the riff end up being in ?
you guys probably didnt know bu5 alot of the riffs you hear were written years before they were used. like most of ride the lighting and master was made during kill em all days
Dave always told that they still from him some riffs for Ride the lightning, Escape, Call of Ktulu, Lepper Messiah, Eye of the beholder and even To live is to die. Thx now we have the proof that is correct. Good god this is a massive steal during almost 7 years !
Inglorious Kam Let me explain mr fanboy... James was actually there also so it could just be James that wrote the riffs... Just because Dave played some doesn't mean that he wrote them
Oscar NotYourBuissines Dave said that in an interview. Paraphrasing, he said that he sees a lot of his work on Eye of the beholder, Leper Messiah and other songs from RTL. I love butthurt fanboya like you.
