Rare interview done between Dave Mustaine's dismissal & the recording of "Kill 'Em All". Recorded on a New Jersey Freeway in route to a record store apperance in Brooklyn. Beer, Burps & Near Collisions intact.
@@markrosenquist8259 He didn't want to sing. He fell into that position because he was the only person in the band that could do it. He wanted to focus on guitar.
@@redrick8900 thats not true the band started off with James singing he never played guitar until they kicked Dave off and if he did it wasn't often. Dave was suppose to be the rhythm guitarist and kirk was gonna be the main solo guitarist but James just took Dave's place and still sung.
Did he not come from an elite family in Denmark (based on the house they lived in.. which is worth >$6 million by today's value)? He likely had a very high-level education. He's obviously very intelligent just listening to his interviews over the years. He seems to grasp concepts quickly. (Relax, Lars haters, I'm not talking about drumming ability here. Just overall intelligence level.)
Say what you want about Lars but he's a Metalhead through and through and his tenacity got them to where they are. Even early on, he's clearly running things.
This is a fucking GEM! This is such a 'holy shit' piece of history. I mean, I've heard this story a million fuckin' times but I've never heard an interview so close to the moment. Thank you!
Funny how they didn't like the two Flying V thing that ended up becoming a bit of a trademark for them... Also James said that Kirk was gonna get an Explorer, which ended up being his own thing :)
For those that say Metallica "sold out", even back in 1983 they were thinking about changing it up. Just something they wanted to do, for better or worse *shrug*
@@blitzed3425 They were constantly changing their sounds throughout their whole discography, an artist always tries to reach new boundaries with their project
It's interesting that Lars said that the split with Dave had "been in the can a long time". Also that James said it was "real funny" when they dropped him off on a bus. The way Dave remembers things: his departure seemed 'sudden and abrupt' but clearly it was not (for them). It's sad he was just oblivious to how much his behavior impacted everyone. Dave also remembered his trip to the bus stop being 'emotional' for everyone. It sounds like Lars and James were being very pragmatic about it (knowing that this line-up formula would have been disastrous later on). On the one hand, sort-of harsh that they were "leading him on" while waiting for someone to just 'come along'. But on the other hand, Dave really should have seen it coming (how much he agitated them).
I can’t stop thinking about allllllll the history these two “boys” will live out - the genius that’s yet to be released - the songs yet to be written and sung - god damn the innocents here is just crazy
I'm trying to get a mental image here- is James driving and Lars and the interviewer in the back?! Also, are they driving that huge boat in the picture up above? Btw this is one of the best, most historic interviews from them
Amazing interview.... great to hear how Lars says he just started learning double bass, James is very active in expressing his nice and smart thoughts. Great. Great. Great.
@@ssherrierableWhat interview did you listen to? They were brutally honest and sounded like they knew what they wanted at just 19. They said Venom was cool as hell, but Saxon were dicks. Talked about their issues with Dave. Talked crap about Kerrang, they weren’t wrong, look what it turned into. I do see some irony though, as years later they totally sold out themselves.
This photo looks like it was taken in the parking lot of the old Route 18 Flea Market in East Brunswick, New Jersey. Johnny "Z" had a record store there. I think he used to live in my hometown of Old Bridge, NJ, "Old Bridge Malitia".
@@Godloveszaza he technically fit into the mold but he didn't break the mold, and that's what Lars and James wanted. James says here straight up that they went with Kirk because he played with more feeling. And I think that holds up all the way thru to 2023.
@@ssherrierable I'm sure that's part of it. Alcoholics are unpredictable and unreliable, while even then, Lars/Cliff/James were very, very serious about Metallica being sustainable for the future. But even if Dave had gotten sober, I think his ego still would've caused problems, whereas Kirk always minimized his ego to bring Metallica together over the years.
@@damonwillis3672 yeah, might be accurate, it seems James laughed off emotional stuff when he was young. you know the "I'm strong, tough, and never cry" attitude.
Ya, Dave said he wrote In my Darkest Hour after learning of cliffs death. I don't think that song was ment to be nice. I wonder if there was some anger between them
@@stuartewoldt1513 the music was only written for Cliff the lyrics were meant for Dave's ex. At the end of song during live performances in the 80s Dave would always say rip cliff. Dave and Cliff actually got along at least from Dave's perspective.
what a trip. thanks for posting. it's so crazy to hear them talk about recruiting a lead singer who isn't Hetfield. I mean, a John Bush-fronted Metallica would have been pretty fucking fantastic, but I'm glad that James stayed put as the vocalist.
Actually, Ktulu was definitely wrote while Dave was in the band it was called When Hell freezes over, but still, it was cowrote with Lars and James, they had every right to record it.
Well, I just partially agree with you. There isnt really any evidence for the song When Hell freezes over until August 1983, 4 months after Dave was kicked out of the band. I assume that Lars and James arranged the song, using Daves ideas, after he had left the band. We don't know how Daves ideas sounded in its original form, and it really doesnt matter. The song sounds great, and they are all credited.
Dave had a strong personality and was reckless, I still think Dave helped them build the blueprint for the music. But Lars and James were not going to let anyone destroy the band.
So cool to hear them so candid and loose this early in their career. They hadn't even recorded Kill 'Em All yet. I re-listen to this one every few years and it's always entertaining. Nice that they shed more light on the Dave departure. People act like it was one or two things and then they cut him out, but you can tell they gave him more chances than they would have liked. They seem genuinely frustrated that they put up with so much.
@@JCStorm76 Your perspective and Hetfield's are totally different. He's a professional musician who listened to the guy play more than anyone else. You heard him with 3 other guys on a cheap recording.
@@JCStorm76 You realize that your only source for that is a crackhead that is a confirmed liar right? The idea that anybody could take Mustaine's word over anyone is laughable.
Goddamn, they’re talking shit about everyone. This is a very rare video. I wish Lars and James would listen to this because they’re saying the exact opposite of what they say and modern years.
As much as Ive been disappointed since James's voice took a hit, I couldnt imagine another singer for this band. Crazy to think they were THIS CLOSE to having a different singer.
That interview was just a couple of days after they fired Mustaine (11th of april), and a few days before they would record the Kill 'em All album (10th of may). This interview was during a pivot moment for Metallica!
"spider chord" idea. By the way: I totally agree with you that the acoustic guitar intro is the best part. Cheers from a Metallica and Megadeth fan from Norway :)
Well sure, people have to remember they were 20 years old, and there was a lot of trash talking going both ways between Dave and them. Fuck, I remember how defensive I was at 20. Dave would have left and did his own thing eventually anyhow, thats just how he was. He needed full control in order to make it the way he wanted, which turned out to be pretty amazing in his own right.
Yes, of course he is credited. He is a co-writer in those two songs. But I don't think those songs were arranged into complete songs while he was in the band. But it doesn't matter. The music is great anyhow. And we can leave with that. It's been nice talking to you. You clearly know your Megadeth history. Cheers from Norway.
No question, the Chord progression Dm/Bf/A7/C is a huge piece in the make up of Hangar 18, and is relative to other songs such as the intro to My last words
It's crazy to see how bands was like playing for a few people get to go up to them and hang out talk about whatever...and then being the biggest in the world...just like back in 91. I saw Alice in chains before they got really popular..steel panther...and even skid row ..coolest guys that you could ever meet...like I talked to a guy years ago..he lived over Liverpool...and he saw at the time that nobody knew....black sabbath...they played for 100 people and after the gig...he went and hung out and all of them..now you can't get even close to them without people there at the concerts...
Well, once upon a time they were just people, like anybody else. And they still are. I'm sure someone famous has to be mindful about how they go about security and all, but on the whole monied interests are what tend to distort how others see them and their accomplishments. More product or prophet than person. Otherwise they'd likely still be approachable after shows.
He spends more time in Europe now than he did then. Since Metallica started he gets home like once every other year. They Recorded Puppets there for like 4 months.
jeez lars had been speaking english for only a few years but hes so articulate no focks or ohms now hes utterly immature hes like benjamin button regressing into childhood.
I happen to think Trapped under ice and Shortest straw are high points on their albums, in my opinion, and I stated nothing of escape. And I used Trapped under ice primarily for James voc. delivery, especially on the choruses. Remember your opinion is yours, and someone else might interpret it differently. as for just guitar alone, I feel James is a great composer and a pretty good riff writer, avg. soloist, and Dave is the best riff writer, good composer and soloist, thats why he's better, imo.
I referred to the Ride the Lightning song when I mentioned the Spider Chord idea. My point was that he did not compose the song. I had to separate my comment because it was to long, so the first part is below. In the first part I also state my opinion on the Ktulu/ Hanger relation. As for "When" I think the Am I Evil relation is a lot more obvious than the Ktulu relation. These are minor details in the long and proud history of both bands, but I love discussing them :)
In my opinion Dave was never meant to stay in the group, Kirk just fits in way better. Dave was better doing his own thing, and i'm glad he did cuz i love Megadeth also.
imagine dave trying to write/play a solo for unforgiven (one of kirk's best solos... heck I think it's one of THE best solos) or the lead work in fade to black. dave has never played a solo like that. he definitely didn't fit in with the direction metallica wanted to go.
The next day, Sunday April 24 1983 weather was: Thunderstorm with Rain, Rain, Light Drizzle and Rain, Light Rain, Drizzle, Drizzle with Fog, Light Drizzle, Fog ... maybe you can find the exactly data from that date too.
Last I checked, Dave had nothing to do with Orion, Battery, Dyers eve, Trapped under ice, Fade to black, Shortest straw, oh yeah, dont forget Motorbreath and many others. Surly you dont consider these songs as not"worth a shit" right? Look, Im a huge fan of both, but Im a realist...Mustaine is the most talented out of a group of very talented people, does that mean the others simply suck? Fuck no. By the way, It sounded like James was doing just fine at rhythm on his KEA tracks, just saying.
9:18 "They'll Get it!"--- Holy! Flashback (for me).... Spokane Veterans Memorial Arena March 21st, 2004. Track 6 00:24 (on the album); James to Lars "Just keep doin' it man... they'll get it! Keep it up Spokane..." FRANTIC!
