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She understands gunpowder, it was her hope the the bolt would detonate the charges en mass and cause the device to explode. What she doesn't understand is how Matt envisions how the gun works.
I’m pretty sure if that much gun powder exploded it’d be like a frag grenade. But Matt gets loosey gooses with the gun mechanics for the sake of stakes, story, coolness, and “balance”. He even dismisses the previous gun mechanics with the Nat 1. So what, if players roll a Nat 1 only they suffer consequences? This is one of the few times I questioned Matt’s call.
@@lukeamparo6586 Misfire appears to be something exclusive to some of the guns of Exandria and only those that can be carried as weapons (aka. Blunderbuss, Pepperbox, etc.) Since this appears to be a mounted turret of some sort (don't understand specifics) this wouldn't technically count since this specific gun wouldn't have a misfire property. Other guns in the dungeon master's guide don't have the misfire property at all, so I guess in Exandria is a case-by-case basis? I am kinda bummed it didn't explode after firing rapidly, tho...
I think at that moment, Matt was just trying to avoid an auto-win situation where the entire vehicle exploded. Having that kind of guarantee for future fights would have made it really hard for him to balance, especially if he’s planning on throwing a lot more people with guns in front of the party. Still a bit disappointed in the ruling but I really can’t blame the guy for it.
I think another way to understand this is to imagine that each one of these “shot” hitting the party are more equivalent to shrapnel pieces rather than traditional bullets, but to make it simpler to understand for game mechanics Matt just phrased it this way
Methinks that the change made in her by the gnarlrock is quite permanent. No longer is she quiet and reserved but friendly, she’s become colder to everyone outside of Bells Hells and a lot more ruthless, even when she claims she didn’t want to hurt. Imogen. You sent a powerful lightning bolt into a construct with a GUN! And someone died in the process. You can’t claim that you never intended to hurt, let alone kill.
If a bullet fires while it is NOT in the chamber, or in the magazine, it is disastrous. You can even strike a bullet's primer with a hammer and it will detonate outside of a firearm. I wouldn't fault anyone for not knowing exactly how Matt would rule.
@@Excalibursin Yeah, but think of it like 60 muskets being fired instead of one gun with a bunch of barrels, since that's what the weapon was described as, and Matt's vision of its appearance was different. Laura probably saw something in her head akin to a minigun.
There’s confusion in these comments based on the title. There are multiple single shot guns attached to each other (like Percy’s Pepperbox). She ignited many of them. She effectively ignited an entire pirate ship and broadsided everyone. If it was a machine gun (mag or belt fed) it would’ve blown up, but it’s not.
finally someone with common sense... So many self proclaimes "gun nuts", texans and "experts" in the comments that apparently never heard of a fucking volley gun...
@@XpVersusVista I actually saw this before I watched the episode and assumed she was correct. Out of context it sounds like the table is gaslighting her for making a correct assumption.
What does that even mean? Burn rate is a physical property of gunpowder that is only dependent on the initial powder temperature. If it ignites, it ignites, end of story. Chemical reactions don't change speeds on a whim.
I mean, I can see the thinking even knowing how a bullet works. Its similar to why I was taught not to shoot both barrels on a shotgun at once. You can assume the gun can take the stress of one gunpowder explosion but its not safe to assume it can handle two simultaneously. Let alone 60 in this case.
the french Mitrailleuse gun was able to fire 25 rifle rounds simultaneously out of 5x5 barrels. google it if you want to see how that looks. Also what you think of as bullets isn't what is used here. It's black powder with a steel ball most likely, not a modern cartridge with gunpowder (different from black powder) and the typical pointy bullet.
Chain guns, volley guns, organ guns, etc. are all pretty common in gunpowder fantasy, and are drawn from a wide variety of real life firearms. With 140 barrels more that a few would likely misfire in real life, but the rest would still fire off as normal so not that much would change with the scenario. I think she was imagining like a single musket loaded with 140 loads of powder and shot or something, or maybe a belt fed machine gun.
In this moment I feared for a TPK more than I did at any point in their other campaigns. When Matt made his ruling on how the scenario would be resolved, Imogen became more terrifying than the Chroma Conclave, the Briarwoods, , or even < REALLY Redacted for spoilers>.
I think imagon just accidental created this world's frist merchine gun Thank God everyone on that crawler is super dead otherwise wise they might be able to repeat this experiment
It is. I thought the same thing but dancing lights aren't electrically based. It is possible she was using some other spell I don't know or it could also just be an RP thing but I imagine that Imogen was just saying whatever to get Chetney off her ass.
@@Blasted2Oblivion I’d equate it to her being able to make her Dancing Lights just harmless ball lightning. But when sufficiently angered… all bets are off.
Dancing Lights isn't really electricity either. It's more an illusion of light since you can make it look how you want, like in the shape of a lantern. More magical construct.
So I finished From the Earth to the Moon recently and anything to do with gunpowder is complex and should be treated with the utmost caution. This is clearly a fantasy campaign before we even get to the 60 barrel gun.
@@CordovanSplotchVT could they have made it without the aid of modern technology? I mean because in the book I read, they came up with a way to launch a projectile into the orbit of the moon, but the entire mission was extremely expensive and a large amount of people died in the process.
@@gilliganIII "could they have made it without the aid of modern technology?" As a matter of fact, yes. Look up "ribauldequin," which was a type of field volley gun which first saw use in the 1300s. It's also almost certainly the weapon that inspired the design for the weapon used in this encounter
I don't know what's funnier, the people here claiming Matt doesn't know about firearms before incorrectly describing how a firearm works, or the fact that no one realizes this is not a mounted rotary gun like shown in the thumbnail. Now I'm not saying Matt is some kind of expert on the subject, nor would I expect him to be any more than any DM that would adjudicate ANY of the vast array circumstances that exit the library of personal knowledge.
yeah i really don't get all those pseudo-gun enthusiasts that somehow managed to have never seen or heard of a volley gun... Still they are so confident in their ignorance.
this is more of Matt not understanding how guns work than Laura not understanding how gunpowder works. Only one bullet is in the chamber at a time, only one bullet would fire out the end, the rest would blow up in the storage area and just be a massive bomb.
I mean i'm all onboard Imogen here. If there are a bunch of bullets (60 of them) igniting at once, they won't fly out of the fun in succession. Realistically the pressure would amass way to quickly as all of them ignite and it would indeed explode. Maybe a few bullets at the very start would fly out the barrel as intended
to be fair, Laura had a better idea of how the explosion would happen than Matt did in this moment. only the bullets in the barrels would have fired with velocity. all the others would have been proximity bombs. But that was Matt's call to make and at least it was only 60. lol
That's just it multiple rounds going of in the barrel at the same time would cause the weapon to explode. a few rounds would have shot where are the gun was pointed before detonation. Allowing all the rounds to go off at the same time should have made the gun a pipe bomb not a machine gun
and that's exactly what he did. everyone is missing the point where the gun is described as not an actual gun in our modern understanding but a fuckton of barrels chained together. no magazine, no belt, nothing. all the explosions were in their own separate barrels, of course they would "decide" to fly more or less forward, as its the path of least resistance
people here apparently think they have the greated gun knowledge but still somehow have never seen or heard of volley guns... The french literally used one that had 25 barrels (5x5) until 1908.
to be fair, for the bullet to fire OUT of the gun, it needs to be queued up in the barrel. However many cylinders the minigun had should have been the limit of how many got fired, the rest SHOULD have actually exploded the gun itself since they were not queued up in a position that they could have exited the barrel properly. Of course, if we're going by RAW, that was really stretching the concept of "not being worn or carried" most DMs I know would have ruled that the bullets in a gun you are actively firing, even if it is connected to a car, still counts as being "carried/worn" However all those complaints aside, I think he knew that with disadvantage on all the shots, there would be little chance for anyone to take enough damage to actually TPK, and it would most likely take out the enemies faster, essentially just fast forwarding through multiple rounds of combat and reducing the opportunity for Bell's Hells to get ANOTHER crawler (you know they had the itch to just claim every crawler they came across) while simultaneously creating a silly as hell memorable scene. It may also have been a gentle message of "quit trying to game the system, Laura, or you'll get more than you bargain for" which is also worth giving it a pass.
So his argument applies harder. From what I know the chain placement of the bullets is made by the gun, not the force of the bullets. But yeah, while everyone was worried of dying, Tal was so happy to get a crawler 😂😂😂
Wow, was I the only one that pictured each gunpowder charge would have it's own barrel? The mechanics involved for put a bunch of barrels on the outer shell would be a lot less complex, on a dusty and sandy landscape, than trying to come up with a device that can cycle through 256? charges firing through a much smaller amount of barrels. The internal ones would could be more easily changed out, were likely meant to go through the smaller number of barrels. That's why they blew up instead of going off. Or at least that made the most sense, narratively speaking.
@@bestofcriticalrole but it doesn't. Let say you are right and there were 60 barrels then all of those would have fired at what ever point they were at. They would not have hit the entire front of the area and would not have screwed up the gun. He noted that rounds were in sequence and if multiple rounds detonate at the same time in a gun the first round may fly out but the rest of the energy balloons and explodes. He should have let laure have the win or treated the weapon and it's ammo as if it were worn and moved on.
@@waldowallace9102 Hard disagree. Even if we assume these barrels are muzzleloaded for ultra simplicity you would still need an extremely intricate trigger mechanism to detonate all the charges in Serial or Parallel across 60 barrels without any mechanical failures. A small number of barrels with feed mechanisms is far less complex and much easier to maintain All your doing by having a ridiculous amount of barrels is introducing more points of failure.
I'm not entirely sure who any of these people are, I'm sure I'll learn at some point but although if it was Laura talking she just explained chain firing if that was her "not understanding it" (I don't think she does exactly but she deserves practicallity credit). Revolvers can chain fire, simply a fire arm malfunction that ignites all the percussion caps activate the gun powder in each chamber of a cylinder but it's interesting and it's on the net I'd recommend it to anyone interested in early weapon systems or anything of that nature. I just don't think she was stupid in assuming that but I'm sure I misunderstood something.
So I actually interpreted Matt's ruling here as the nice one. I think he realized that if ALL the gunpowder in the gun went off it wouldn't just destroy the gun, but the entire crawler, the people on it, AND would deal massive damage to anyone around it. So instead I think he chose for only the gunpowder in the charges immediately next to be fired would go off. As for the design of the gun itself, Matt did describe it as having a lot of barrels, like potentially up to 60. He also described the lightning impact as setting off those that were "surface struck". I interpret that as it was not belt fed but all the rounds were already loaded in the gun with 4 rounds in each (60 surface with 240 total charges). It's a weird design but also probably meant to be fantasy cool rather than real-world practical.
But multi chamber gun do exist and multiple rounds going of in the gun at the same time causes guns to explode. Not fire all the rounds across an area. Even with the round being on the out side they would have detonated at the same time. Not in sequence.
@@Ashtor1337 I know multi chamber guns like mini guns and Percy's pepperbox exist. Also yes, multiple rounds going off causes a gun to explode, hence why the gun exploded. As for the spray of the 60 rounds, in game they really did go off at basically the same time. Imogen cast her Lightning bolt, lasered it up the entire crawler, hit the gun, causing it to shoot 60 rounds, all in 6 seconds. Going back to my original point of Matt actually being the nice one I think he chose to spray the rounds to lessen the chance of killing anyone rather just shoot 60 rounds at Imogen which would have almost certainly insta-killed her. If you want a specifically technical reason why it sprayed, maybe they went off as they were hit by the lightning, hundredths of a second apart but enough time to jerk the gun around?
@@Ashtor1337 bullshit, we have volley guns in human, real life, history that could simultaneously fire without any problem and keep functioning. Also you either don't seem to care or know about the differences between *black* powder and *gun* powder. Modern guns have far more force behind their explosions than old black powder guns.
@@XpVersusVista yeah and volly guns don't become machine guns and spray across a battle field, they fire a volley. They were also prone to misfire and blowing up due to the heat of multiple shots going off at the same time. As to black powder and gun powder force. Did you forget the hundreds of years of metallurgy, smithing and weapons development humanity has gone through. Compare the quality of barrels we have now vs when we used black powder. As much as the powder has improved so did the construction of the fire arm itself. None of that changes that both Matt and you are wrong. The gun should have detonated like a massive pipe bomb or he should have just said it was being held so the lightning did nothing.
But she's right. Without some mechanic to make sure the bullets come out in an orderly fashion, they run into each other. They can't ALL be in line in order to go out the barrel. The gun should have exploded.
@@Ocerkin your ignorance is showing... The french Mitrailleuse, a volley gun, had 25 barrels (5x5) that could shoot simultaneously. this 5x5 configuration was barely larger in area than a man's palm. Make it 8x8 and you have 64 bullets, like Matt's. You have access to the internet, if you're interested in guns then please also learn some gun history...
Realistically most of them would have jammed in their barres and exploded yes, but this is a fantasy game played for entertainment, proper physics are applied on a propitiatory measure
completely wrong. Google a volley gun, that's basically what was on there. it wasn't "one barrel, with a magazine that holds 60 rounds". It was 60 barrels with 1 round each loaded. Matt was completely right, you guys just think "gun" and never bothered to learn what in real life human history constituted a gun. A gun isnt automatically a type of rifle, cannons were also called guns, including multi barrel cannons (volley guns) like the organ gun.
@@XpVersusVista If one barrel in a volley gun misfires, that's going to damage the barrels around it, causing their charges to also misfire. Just because it's a volley gun doesn't suddenly make the barrel indestructible or make the charges impervious to all possible faults.
How the hell this table has only had ONE PC death in three campaigns is beyond me. It’s like every other episode someone has a “how did you survive that?” moment.
@@Lucasfghjsokfdkjheu pretty sure Molly wasn't given back to talisen after his revival outside of the oneshot so I think it counts 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I also didn't watch c2 so I could be wrong
@@Lucasfghjsokfdkjheu I was talking permanent like the og comment. I watched c1 so I know VM was dying left and right 🤣. That's why I was saying it's been one player that permanently lost their character per campaign
She actually does understand it, at least more than Matt. Due to the nature of the gun it should have discharged all rounds at once, this wouldn't necessarily cause an explosion harming the operator, but knowing the ramshackle nature of these guys equipment it's possible. The main reason I say Matt doesn't understand this is he described them going off like a minigun and the operator *somehow* keeping control and spraying the whole party as it cooked off. This wouldn't actually work as all barrels are all mounted on a swivel and since they would fire all at once or near instantly together that much recoil would cause massive kick back that no man could contain and aim across the group. Odds are most of the rounds would spray out in a narrow cone or a 10ft wide line absolutely obliterating the last person it was aimed at. It's entirely possible Matt thought of that in the moment and decided against it so as to not kill someone but I doubt it.
im imagening the gun being a weapon with 60 barrels and each barrel has a mag of 4 and its normaly suppose to fire 1 barrel at a time in rapid succession, so a pain to load
This is EXACTLY why volley guns never took off and saw widespread military use. They put a lot of shots 'down range' but then you had to spend a fucking age reloading each barrel individually...now soldiers were expected to fire, between 3 and 6 shots per minute and that was reloading it each time. So at their best, 10 seconds on a musket reload (which was fucking FAST), now imagine you've got to reload 60 barrels after it's fired...600 seconds or 10 minutes worth of reloading. Of course most volley guns didn't have 60 barrels, it was usually closer to 25 but that's still a long freaking time to aim, shoot and reload. What Matt is describing here is a massive Ribauldequin OR if it's advanced enough a massive Mitrailleuse which did uses huge cartridges. However I'm leaning closer to a Ribauldequin because the Mitrailleuse came about just before the Gatling Gun (about 7-8 years prior). Basically Gunslinger guns (like the ones Percy used, especially Bad News) are more advanced than the 'generic' firearms that have begun to appear through Exandria.
TeKnIkLy... it's not just Laura not knowing how gunpowder works, Matt also doesn't understand how guns work, because if 60 shots would go off at once, the gun would just blew up - only 3 or 4 bullets would be actually fired...
A modern automatic weapon yes they would explode, but matt isn't describing an automatic firearm, He's describing an oversized Historic volley gun. Matt is 100% correct in suggesting that multiple barrels can go of without exploding the weapon, These things have been around as multibarrelled cannons containing huge amounts of gunpowder from as early as the 15th century. Hell the Spanish navy uses a 20mm 12 barrelled volley gun as a CIWS platform to this day (and whist admittedly his fantasy volley gun has way more barrels than and real world volley gun has ever had its fantasy. Real world volley guns absolutely function as described with all the barrels going off near simultaneously producing a wall of shot in a volley)
This is made even more hilarious to me if you consider the fact that Laura is from TEXAS 🤣. Like, of COURSE one of the Texans would be involved in the gun based shenanigans lmao
In all honesty the fact it is shooting 60 shots at once it really should have just gone boom no way in feck a barrel is containing that explosion of gun powder unless I guess it has 60 barrels
It’s basically a pepperbox style Gatling gun on a turret. Though your statement has merit: the force of 60 black powder charges going off at the same time absolutely should have(and did) damage the gun beyond use. Newtons laws are a bitch when dealing with propellants and projectiles.
@@lucasmaloneywordsmith8661 Agreed. That gun got wrecked bad. Though to also add to you statement putting all this in terms of D&D mechanics is tough. So to keep things straight he described the projectiles launching first to get the party damage out of the way and give them time to figure out the Aftermath. Then he figured out the gun damage and damage to the Krawler. Finally, he described all this happened at the same time(roughly). Funny moment overall.
so let me get this straight... there was a gun that had 60 chambers with 60 rounds lined up ready to fire? that would be an INCREDIBLY large muzzle loaded rifle if so... otherwise they wouldnt have "fired" they would have went off, with MUCH less force than a normal round would, it would be the difference between getting shot with a gun or getting hit by a round after it ricochet off a wall or 2, still damaging, but much less penetration, more like a bomb with shrapnel than a gun going off... matt doesnt know how guns work, because if the rounds were loaded but not lined up with the barrel, the gun would indeed explode.
@@connorblack99 duck foot is about right, or a really poorly thought out blunderbuss, gatling guns only ever had one barrel lined up to be fired from, because the entire point of the gatling gun was to allow the extremely hot barrel to cool back down before being fired through again, to prevent warping and explosions
I haven't seen the full context of this clip, so I'm not entirely sure what's being argued here, but it sounds like he implemented a fantasy version of a volley gun or a gun version of a hwacha. I don't understand how having a dummy amount of barrels would make this a weaker gun? I also don't understand the comment "if the rounds were loaded but not lined up with the barrel" because you just said it was a large muzzle loaded rifle.
@@spinafire i said that was the only way it could exist, because the way he mimes firing it is more like a minigun or heavy machine gun in the clip, which would be impossible with a gun that would by necessity be so large you would need a cart to carry it, exactly like a hwacha, because if it didnt have 60 or more barrels it would have exploded
@@Ocerkin Ah yeah I see what you're saying. I didn't get that impression from the little miming that is left in this clip. This is when I'd be interested in seeing a visualization of what the DM is actually thinking of. As a PC, I tend to assume it's a design I haven't wrapped my mind around yet and let it work out for the sake of flow (i.e. assuming it's a volley gun on a mount).
The gun would have only fired one bullet and the rest would have exploded. Mark doesn't know how guns work either... The bullets wouldn't have just politely waited to explode until they had their turn with the barrel...
Wait wtf, is Matt saying the gun has 60 barrels? Because... yeah no. You can't make a gun fire faster by detonating the charge before its in a barrel, even with a weapon that's recoil driven.
Based off what context I could get from the actual episode. Laura hit what was essentially a large turret mount that had 270 individual cap and ball muskets mounted to it in a box formation. It's a type of weapon that I know of as a "Calliope" from the Hammer's Slammer's sci-fi universe. Anyway, 60 of those 270 went off because Matt decided the electricity from Laura's attack sent a spark through the black powder in the barrels setting them off. In more layman's terms Laura inadvertently set off a giant claymore mine. If Matt was a...less forgiving DM, anyone standing in front of this thing at ranges less then 50ft would be red paste, no "unconscious" state.
To be honest she was right, if ALL the bullets tried to fire from a gun at the same time, the gun would explode they wouldn't randomly fire out of the barrel. All of the bullets would have to be loaded into the barrel in order to fire from it, and if all the bullets are loaded in a line in the barrel they would fire off of each other. Matts choice of way to handle the situation was because he wanted his cool boss thing to do something and he got completely outplayed.
Except it's a ribault style gun, which is essentially two hundred bullets in two hundred barrels. It's a very primitive design, but the idea is that these are bandits and thus why they're using a primitive gun. It'd be like if you had two hundred muskets grouped together and then ran electricity through them. They wouldn't "explode" per say. They'd all fire at once
Honestly, i don't know if it's me or they way Matt decided but i just didn't feel like they were in any danger of tpk, maybe few down but dying? Nah, not even close
In retrospect, I think Matt overreached. These crawlers are like tanks. You hit a tank like Imogen did, lets say through the front glacis plate, the ammo and the powder catch fire and explode. The term is "brewed up". So...Imogen was right...I believe the idea of the crawler as a big revolver was incorrect. Now if he said the Crawler catches on fire and bullets fly everywhere, which ammo will do...then that would have been a more accurate description and the dex checks would have been still needed. That said..still was cool
I'd wager... none of those people know how gunpowder works. The bullets wouldn't just load into the chamber and keep firing sequentially. If they all went off because they were simultaneously ignited... the gun would explode and bullets might potentially travel in very random directions... but not having a barrel to focus the energy down... probably wouldn't be as strong as a traditionally fired gun. Would probably still be dangerous to anyone close, but it wouldn't have the range of the normal weapon. If anything... she was more correct than Matt. It's Matt who doesn't understand.
my guy, matt mentioned that this gun is a shitload of guns rigged together. Like gun piano, with every key is for trigger, so there were literally 60 barrels pointed it them, appeartantly(?)
@@1timemelody1 if you have access to smithy and smelting tools. I think if all you have a shitload of carbines and scattershots and ducktape in desert - 60 barrels it is then
@@user-ii8wi2sg7o oh, didn't hear that part in the clip. I would still wager that if you had 60 barrels strapped together... and they all, or even half, went off at the same time, it would probably end in an explosion and not a functional firing of the barrels. All the barrels were probably designed to withstand the concussive force of a single shot. 30 or 60 explosions in such close proximity, at the same time, generally equals 1 big one. No matter how you slice it.
Search up what a volley gun is. It's more or less a ton of barrels, each with a load in it. You could think of each barrel as it's own individual gun, and so, igniting all of them just means you created a shotgun with extra steps.
Technically a gun like that doesn't have any moving parts to jam because it's basically a shit ton of muzzle loaded barrels that are welded together. So each barrel would more or less held its own explosion because that's what the gun is designed to do
Ironically... She is correct. Gun designer here, we have to consider premature or spontaneous activation of the rounds either by the temperature in the gun getting so high the rounds "cook off" or by mechanical failure of the components. Casings are intentionally made to not withstand the pressure of the charge so that they do not contain the expanding gas and so the gasses do not build up pressure and instead pop or fizz out, much closer to angry popcorn than a bomb or barrage. Because the bullet is usually the heaviest part of a cartridge by far, as long as there is not a chamber around the cartridge to build up pressure, if a round is spontaneously exploding the _safest_ place is right in front of the bullet since it will barely move while the casing will shred and blow away.
Aye but this isn't a 'modern firearm' it's a Blackpowder Volleygun, possibly a Ribauldquin, which is essentially just a stack of barrels all lined up next to and ontop of each other. Each one was either fired individually but in rapid succession or in a massive Volley all at once (hence the name). So modern firearm stuff doesn't quite apply here.
If we're going to critique any one it's the entire table for not knowing how guns work. The bullets discharging would not be projected outward because the gun didn't have those rounds chambered.
I would expect Travis to know. He has family in the military. I would also expect a professional DM to have a better understanding of early firearms or stuck to RAW. The item was clearly being used so it's ammo shouldn't have been effected.
OK, everyone, Matt doesn't have to be well versed in everything, geez. Also, fantasy gun powder can work differently, so the GM should be getting more slack than this
@@etmist exactly. Laura was 100%right. Apply heat and high current to a semi automatic rifle and the thing explodes. It doesn't clip dump. Even if you had multiple rifles welded together it still explodes. It doesn't become a fully automatic weapon.
@@Ashtor1337 its not self loading though. every round is another chamber and barrel. that's why it did a salvo. the clip does a poor job of describing the whole situation
not really. the clip is missing an important part of guns description- not an actual gun in our modern understanding but a fuckton of barrels chained together. no magazine, no belt, nothing. all the explosions were in their own separate barrels, of course they would "decide" to fly more or less forward, as its the path of least resistance. and the gun got severely fucked up by that
No. Matt doesn't understand how gunpowder or guns work. Laura was 100% spot on. Don't think so. Take a full auto firearm and over heat it. It explodes. It doesn't do a clip dump. And ignore the creatures right next to it. This was a shit ruling.
the difference between this weapon and a real life full auto firearm is that a real life one has all of it's bullets conatined in a magazine, so they have nowhere to fire when they heat up. this weapon was just a bunch of caps on a spinning wheel that fire by exploding. so exploding them will make them fire. it's also a game and Matt has 100 more important things to research for this world, I don't think being a firearms/weapons expert is the most important on that list
she understands guns pretty well, mercer is the isiot here even just 2-3 rounds going off will destroy the barrel of a gun, it's not made for that. "oh, but heavier construction in medieval-" no, cause a misfire still breaks the gun on one bullet 60 would vaporize the dude holding it, jelly a few surrounding peoples insides and kill them via internal bleeding, and blow up the gun. also, assuming these are cased rounds, they wouldn't really fire. cased rounds work the way they do because the flamefront starts at the back and compresses as it moves fowards. heating a bullet causes the flame front to start on the side of the casing, and typically can leave a lot of unburned powder unburned powder means less propolsion. people really do think you just put something in the way of an explosion and that's a gun now.
"it has 6o barrels" and it's not a pistol right mr mercer? "yeah" ok, he's overencumbered, this man is carrying at least like 130 pounds of gun and ammo, not including his other stuff, i ignore him and run away because his speed is reduced "but you-" hey bud, i'm not the one who decided to have someone try to carry an artillery piece
@@cryofpaine The gun was described as being some sort of multi-barrelled steampunk monstrosity so at least a portion of them were chambered and ready to go. All they had to do is get down the barrel before the gun self destructed....but even if they didn't, they're gonna go somewhere, even if they're flying through the ruined remains of the gun to get there. I wouldn't call it an awful ruling; Imogen basically set off a catastrophic chainfire in some Mad Max, no safety standards included machine gun. Matt noted there were like over 200 rounds ready to fire, but only the 60(!) ready ones resulted in attacks. I personally don't have the patience to roll for damage that many times for a fight that's likely not too plot important, so for myself I would've had everyone make a Dex save or something. Probably saying it was against both cooked off rounds and shrapnel from the explosion. Edit: That's the DND rules + how bullets side of it. I also feel compelled that the chaos this caused was well worth the rolling and I was laughing my ass off the whole time.
@@captainvladmir7535 They're going to take the path of least resistance. There might be a few barrels. Maybe a dozen. Not 60. And it's probably like a gatling gun, so the only barral that would actually have a round chambered is the one that was about to fire - everything else would be in the magazine. Which means that it would have been 236 packages of powder exploding inside a contained shell, rather than 60 bullets firing in an arc. For each charge, that's about 4.5 grams of powder (going off a gatling gun), for a total of 1.06kg. A stick of dynamite is equivalent to 1.8 kg of black powder. So you've got a single stick of dynamite going off inside a contained shell. It would have killed everyone nearby, but not much more than that. You get one bullet out, and a few pieces of shrapnel, but not the deadly spray he had. Fortunately it didn't result in PC death. I think if it had, it would have been a lot less humorous.
@@cryofpaine He specifically described the weapon as having a ridiculous number of barrels, though, and there's been plenty of weird ass guns RL that had like 30, 40 (old volley guns and such) that I can accept a fantasy world gun exceeding that. And they're not just going to take the 'path of least resistance' like a gas would, they're going to be propelled in the same direction they would be when fired and will go that direction until they start to lose energy or encounter an obstacle they can't penetrate. I DO however agree with you that they would not have flown in any kind of directed arc if they detonated simultaneously. They'd have all went in roughly the same direction, right then. That's why I imagined it to be more of a chain-fire like situation, maybe with the in-barrel rounds firing off in too-rapid sequence due to slight variations in when Imogen's lightning detonated them or the heat from the other detonations set them off. I do think that, perhaps, we're both overthinking it at this point though.:)
