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What I haven't seen in the comments, or maybe I missed it, is how Dusk was trying to get an "in" with those she might have deemed close to Fearne. She started with Laudna, then picked up on Orym's strength as a fighter and tried to woo him. She drove a wedge between Laudna and Imogen and played off on it. Then she wanted to get close to Fearne when the other two characters kind of turned her down. I think Erica was playing it to disarm as many characters as possible, but Chetney is suspicious of everyone (including Dorian back in the day). Also when she did lay on hands with Laudna, she gave her 1 hit point. She could have given her more but she gave her just enough to get her up and even a single punch would have put her back down if she needed to.
The admittedly cynical side of me has me somewhat thinking there was a bit of "I want my guest character to have slept with one of the main cast's" going on, too. Since it seems like that's been kind of a trend (the sleeping with part, not necessarily the OOC part). May just be that I wasn't a huge fan of the player in general, though.
@@jordanf00 the player or the character? Cause Erika is a damn good player imo. Who she's playing as comes across a bit annoying, but that's acting for you. Similar to many people not liking Marisha during CR 1, only to realize it was Keyleth they didn't like when she played Beau in CR 2.
@@hemmydall Beau was the worst character Marisha have played. The entire im high bro personality is so boring and annoying. I went through all of C2 begging for Beau to die. Laudna is her best work yet and my most fav character of C3.
@@hemmydall Probably a mix of both. Erika gave me Orion vibes. I wasn't a huge fan of how loud and screechy they were OOCly, nor how they were so close several times to slipping a nip (someone in chat said they were wearing pasties iirc, which enough of a slip to be like "wtf?" IMO), or how they jumped up onto the table in booty shorts and were crouching and screech-laughing like a gremlin. And I wasn't a fan of how Dusk was constantly interrupting everyone and making the planning of the race just miserable, or how they tried to sleep with several of the PCs, and intentionally made the Laudna and Imogen drama that much more angsty. I get that THOSE bits were IC probably, but "it's what my character would do" is classically not a valid excuse to make other players uncomfortable. Of course, I'm not one of said players, and I can't speak on their behalf, so maybe they didn't mind it at all. But as a viewer, I did not enjoy watching it at all (and of course "no one cares" is a perfectly valid and probably accurate response to that). Just opinions, you know? And as for Marisha, I think that a lot of personal growth happened between Keyleth's debut and Beau's. I think that all of the cast has gone through alot of personal growth - D&D can tend to do that to people.
Chetney may or may not be from a secret society of toy making assassins sooooo he would definitely be able to spot another shifty character with a past
Yeah, I'm not sure he was metagaming here. He very well could have pieced things together. In the episode before, he got a whisper from Matt related to Fearne and her postcards. Though, metagaming is a possibility. I'm not sure how long between shooting the episodes and them releasing to Twitch is.
@@ToeTag1968 I doubt Matt would ever allow metagaming to happen since that defeats the purpose of any RP and the game itself. I don't think he had time to look at everyone's notes to know what he knows. You can't be a CEO irl if you can't read people at least a little. Also, she was playing the party a little too hard, imo. Even I knew something was off with her being over the top with everyone.
Dusk: "i dont need the money" me: "THAT was your objection to what he just said? Not the bounty-hunting your friends parents part? But the MONEY part?" xD
DAMN, ever since Travis played an Inquisitive Rogue, he has picked up a few things, lol! NICE detective work, Mr. CEO! As the only one of the cast to figure it out BEFORE she revealed herself: Well done!
Not saying he did, but he could have also just watched the episode where Matt made everyone but Erika leave the table and he's just acting like his character figured it out.
Liam and Marisha were close 2nd and 3rd, they also knew. You can see Marisha doing the little evil grabby hands thing when Dusk starts revealing themselves.
@@MrRJPE Matt made a tweet saying that he asked all the players to not watch that episode. Also, these are all prerecorded so I don’t even know if they can watch them before they upload them.
i love this moment because it freaks the cast out for the rest of the episode and they seem to have doubts, and no time to roleplay any sort of character moments apart from Imogen failing to read her mind. So there's tension there, but nothing they can really do. They just have to roll with it.
Chet's trying to look out for Fearne. He knew she didnt know where her parents were but she loved them dearly and then a total stranger out of nowhere tries to befriend the whole group, had no memory before meeting the calloways and now gives them a way to contact them? Majorly suspect.
@@Linkolnverse The Message cantrip only works within 120ft of someone. She needed sending, which is a 3rd level spell. Imogen offered it the day she got it, which was when they contacted Birdie.
i think a key part that makes this work is we've seen chetney be suspicious and willing to assume there's ill intent prior to confirming anything. remember when he just assumed dorian was untrustworthy from the start, and only started re-examining it when he asked some NPC (i forget which) what their read on dorian was, and chetney was genuinely surprised that it was totally different from his? this feels like the same thing. chetney is willing to follow such suspicions because he's ALSO willing to let them go. this differentiates him from characters like imogen, who are very restrained in general, but also stubborn once they've decided to believe something--as demonstrated by imogen feeling betrayed by laudna, not from the breaking of the gnarlrock, but from the completely coincidental friendliness laudna was showing dusk. great representation of the different human approaches to others
Chetney makes assumptions about everybody and his intelligent score is 15 and from the meta stand point her story isn’t make any since and she said suspicious things with laudna this epis
@@wyattfrye8262 she used Lay on Hands on Laudna and nobody questioned it. I was certain that Imogen would say something about not feeling thoughts when reading Dusk's mind to Ashton
Did people completely forget how many times prior him and dusk kept talking about murdering people. We assumed it was for the fortress with treshi....but we dont freaking know. That couldve been travis tapping on the glass to see the reaction. Pair that with the 1 in 1 trillion chance dusk just so happens to stumble across fearne with a picture of fearnes parents and yet cannot answer the most simple things about her past or about the fey. Before we even had her evil reveal it was obvious something shady was going on.
Fey are also one of Chetney’s specialties as a blood hunter, so I’m sure he got some background stuff either off camera from Matt or Erika or maybe he is that good. Either way, Travis remains Critical Role’s MVP
The most glaring thing about dusk is she was portraying herself as either an elf or half elf. Both elves and half elves are immune to the memory loss of the fey wild as that is where they are from in the first place. Any dc 15 history check can tell you that much about elves. Also if chet is 100's of years old I'm sure he has met a few elves who could tell him these basics.
He very clearly said later that he was thinking she was a bounty hunter because while he was at home he was thinking and felt like her story was very suspicious. He did not as far as we know have any idea of her actual plan
Anyone remember when they just entered the city and they saw some shadow on the roofs following them, but they couldn't really get a good glimpse to it? Kind of something that got quickly forgotten, but, ey.
As our friend Aabria said in the Calamity wrap-up: Okay Cerritos Groupon, let's go. Travis can't shake that inquisitor rogue build and we love him for it, A+
Folks talking about Travis meta gaming. 1. He doesn't do that. And 2. What is the likelihood that the group would find (and conveniently rescue) someone with a connection to Fearne's parents, who have been MIA for 90ish years? Plus I think people forget cause it's played for laughs: Chetney is really fond of Fearne. I won't say in love because it's still early, but if he would be overprotective of anyone in the group, I think it would be her (edit: meaning he would assume the worst to protect her?)
I love how it just occurred to Travis over the weekend, amnesia is such a standard generic plot point, especially for a guest character. It was sad he couldn’t stop anything, but I loved that he figured it out.
Travis and Sam are anti meta game. It’s suspicious but it’s Travis we are talking about here. I think he just got some clues and took a shot in the dark.
A possibility that has not been brought up as much: Dusk wasn't lying in answer to Chetney's specific question. There are so many more interesting things that Dusk's patron could want from the Calloways, why does everyone jump to assassination? They're clearly working on something magically important, wouldn't it be more unseelie to capture or control whatever they are working on?
@@rhyder7715 Don't forget that it is the feywild because "ending a line" could mean magically twisting the family until you don't even know where they came from. I'm hoping for the type of control/magic change similar to the Shadar-Kai. They went from Feywild elves to shadowfell assassins.
I saw a lot of people complaining about Travis metagaming. Obviously most of them were probably just people that missed previous streams and/or don't understand him. But at the same time, I think it is kind of funny because from my point of view he was the one being the LEAST meta. There were holes in Dusk's deal everywhere, but alot of the cast were subconsciously ignoring it because "there's no way a guest would come in and play an evil assassin!" Atleast that's what I think might have been going on.
I think Orym was starting to pick up on it based on her fighting style. I don't think Orym trusted her as he's already been bitten in his backstory with the assassins and the ashari. I just don't think Orym completely was able to piece it together before Chetney.
@@ryanwatson1482 Definitely. Liam and Orym were one of the other two that I thought was probably picking up on things. The other being Taliesin and Ashton. (And I guess in a tiny way Sam seemed a little suspicious too, but he gives everyone weird looks all the time, and his character has his own sussy stuff going on.)
Yes exactly, because to be fair it’s not a super far-fetched conclusion to make. The whole thing is so suspicious and odd, had Dusk revealed things a little differently then maybe I could understand it. Sure you could say he was sitting next to Erika so he picked up on things the others couldn’t, but let’s face it even if he wasn’t there it’s not hard to question the situation as a whole. Maybe it seemed off to some people because nobody really talked about it with each other and he just went for it, but it’s also very much in character.
I think that Erika forgot that she might have Ring of Mind Shielding which I assume is the case since Imogen couldn't even start reading her thoughts. Context: Ring of Mind Shielding makes it impossible for other creatures to determine if you are lying or what alignment you are, you are immune to magic that reads your thoughts and creatures can talk to you telepathically only if you allow it.
The text suggests that the ring only protects from magical discernment of lies, because let’s be honest an uncommon magical item having the same effect as the 8th level glibness spell with a perpetual effect is way too broken
*magically determine. Even with a Ring of Mind Shielding if Travis’s 19 insight was higher than Erika’s deception he would still figure it out. It only protects you from zone of truth, mind reading, etc
Its not in the clip, but is there an explanation how Travis knew. Its not like him to meta game. He's always stay within character and what they know with the game.
Yeah also one thing i and many others completely forgot during the show: These episodes are filmed a bit in advance! So Travis didn't even have a chance to catch spoilers off twitter or something. The explanation he gives after the game makes sense, and I think there were some bts insight checks
I mean chetney’s intelligence score is 15 and he is the most assuming character in the game. He assumed Dorian was not a good guy for no reason, and her background story doesn’t make since once you begin to think about it. Also as she was speaking with Laudna with chetney nearby and said more confusing things so he made what’s called a education guess and assumption she’s not her to reunite with the family
Matt and Erika said that they left some inconsistencies here and there for the gang to pick-up. I assume Travis noticed it but took a little while to figure out why Dusk was lying
He explains it at the very end of the episode. It literally was him adding up the obvious hints, exactly like chetney says. She has a picture of her hits, a convenient memory loss back story, and an uncomfortable desperation to get in on the group. They're the main tells of a spy.
Also I totally called Dusk wasn't totally on the up and up before it was revealed and was getting the vibes that the Calloways were in danger, just based on how Matt runs stories Through I didn't guess they were the bounty hunter! Point
We don't know the name of Erika Ishii's character. Dusk isn't real. Dusk is a fabrication whole-cloth. There is no Dusk. Nothing about Dusk is true because there is no Dusk. Chetney's suspects Dusk of bad intent. Dusk doesn't have bad intent but then again, there is no Dusk. Classic Changeling personality compartmentalization gambit. Changeling assassins pull this grift all the time. It's a classic.
People completely forgot chet had a whisper not to long ago, who knows what he was told. Not to mention she was shady as f with everything she did. Oh i have a picture of fearnes parents.....what are the odds of THAT. Not just any picture but a old one. Why....she then happens to stumble across fearne. She has no memory of her past life, gave vague ass answers about fearnes parents and so on. The writing was on the wall the whole time. Literally the moment she pulled out a picture of fearnes parents i already knew shady shit was happening. Couple that with whatever matt told travis and its pretty simple to see how he came to that conclusion
Chetney suspected Dorian - the actual golden retriever - and Chet also probably runs a group of assassin toy makers. It makes sense. Chetney is a bit of an odd detective. He frequently goes invisible and goes to recon groups (like we saw with the museum.) I was suspicious of Dusk from the beginning and I was hoping Chetney would figure it out.
You guys are crazy, it was a shot in the dark designed to get an insight check. You don't need to metagame to use basic interrogation tactics (accuse first, gauge response) on a pretty damn suspicious character.
Didn't Matt whisper something in Travis' ear a few episodes back? It was while dusk was in the party and it took a really long time for Matt to say what he said. I can't remember what Travis rolled against to prompt the whisper, though.
am i the only one that caught Travis's coin drop on episode 27 already, when Imogen and Laudna are talking around the 57 min mark, he mentally checked and save in memory a dice roll of dusk and text conversation between Erika and Matt, that moment the suspicion really began
The only issue I had with Erika was that after Travis asked if he believed her and he beat her roll, it still felt like she was waiting for Matt to stop the game and say that Travis learns nothing or that he wasn't allowed to roll in the first place. I get the fact that she didn't want to have to reveal anything but it felt as if she thought the only way Travis would know was through Matt telling him so she just assumed they were meta gaming. She just seemed so awkward and reluctant to speak, even after the results were in.
1st, Travis doesn't like metagaming 2nd, They film the episodes and upload them later, so there was no time for spoiler 3rd, he later explains how he kinda figured it out I freaking love Travis
He's *been* right on top of the situation with Fearne's stories about her parents not adding up, and Dusk's way of needling at people's weak spots is the kind of thing that's only subtle until you actually entertain the possibility that they're doing that on purpose. (Chet may not have IC witnessed every single conversation we've seen played out, but it's not like *we've* seen every single moment since Dusk linked up with the group.) It's not actually a huge leap for someone who's seen a fair amount of shady behavior before, and Chetney *in particular* basically has nothing to lose by going with it -- if he's wrong, ha-ha, that's our cranky werewolf grandpa all right, remember what a hard time he gave Dorian? (As opposed to, say, Imogen, who is in ALL her feelings about this and could be thoroughly destroyed on an emotional level with one carefully-timed "🥺 it's fine, I guess I knew you weren't totally okay after all with me asking Laudna out. 🥺")
Question: Can a paladin tap into their class features or spells if they have amnesia? Their power comes from their conviction to their cause, which they wouldn't remember, so should they have powers?
You can explain anything away with amnesia. In this case you could go with either "fake memory loss" or "memory loss but the new conviction/mission taps into old forgotten memories" or something else even. It's absolutely valid to limit a player in their class levels if they so choose but there is no hard rule. (Even if there was in RAW I would still ignore it because the PHB is a guide not a strict set of rules.)
Can they? yes. Their conviction/devotion comes from within themself (and blessings of the Gods), which are not necessarily tied to their personal memories. (Forgetting an experience doesn't erase it from history; it still happened.) Could they not? also yes. It's just as viable to have an amnesiatic Paladin not have access to their full kit, depending on the story the player wants to tell. For example: Say the character has forgotten they used to be a much more powerful Paladin. As they play and level up, they slowly relearn the skills and abilities they don't remember having.
@@trise2033 Exactly right! Amnesia is a wonderful storytelling device for a DM to plag with. It's a gift similar to an open backstory. (Unrelated but your example for the "paladin relearning skills, etc" reminds me of a character I once created. They were an Ancient Gold Dragon locked into humanoid form as punishment. As they levelled they gained back more and more of the dragon skills. So much fun.)
I was so worried that he metagamed this moment having watched the 1 on 1 with matt and her. but if laura didn't know then I'm confident that he didn't know prior to him saying he thought about it beforehand. Travis big brain.
As a new Critter (Campaign 3 is my first lol I've just seen highlights and stuff of the first 2) how far in advance does the team film these? Since I know they're not live. I've seen people talking about Travis Metagaming and personally I highly doubt he would, these guys have been playing for so long that 1: I just don't think they'd do it anyways and 2: someone would have pointed it out at the table. But like, when Erica was at the table alone surely some fans would've been on twitter after it or something going "Omg guys don't trust Dusk she's evil!" to the rest of the crew. So how does the cast manage to avoid spoilers like that? I'm so curious if anyone can answer it
I forget the exact timeframe but I believe it's somewhere between 2-4 weeks in advance. Best indication of how far is whenever the cast makes some hairstyle change (coloring, haircut, etc) that pops up in their social media accounts and then seeing how long it takes for that change to appear in the show. I believe it's about a month or so because Sam shaved and got a haircut earlier in the year and it took about that long for the change to reflect on Critical Role. By the time we started figuring out the mysteries of Dusk, Travis likely knew already.
He did, but she appeared to be texting and rolling about stealth and listening in to another conversation, which definitely showed she was being underhanded, but I don't think that it would have revealed plot specifics - I rewatched that sequence a few times, and that is what I think was going on.
They are probably not used to this and they really made the reveal very disappointing they couldn't hold themself together and they ruined what matt had planned to be a epic moment and when they stood on the chair it was more of a relief finally we dont have to act like we didnt realize this the moment they showed up
It’s obvious that anyone *could* have done that, but it’s another thing to believe they *would* actually do that. They’ve been at this for years, I think they trust each other not to pull some schoolyard BS like that.
Something about Dusk always rubbed me the wrong way, once she started randomly hitting on different characters I knew I didn't liked her. I think Orym got a weird vibe from her before she started hitting on him too, he asked her about her fighting style and such and I don't think it was out of "personal interest", we sometimes overlook the fact that Orym was a personal guard before he went on his current mission, being inquisitive is part of his profession.
Im not entirely convinced the rest of the group didn't have any idea. Matt wanting everyone to leave the room to talk to Dusk was a sort've neutral (who knows? but it could be anything) noteworthy event.. and then idiots on RU-vid posted videos with DUSK IS EVIL! in the title. So any one of them could've seen anything like that, anywhere. But they can't meta game so they skillfully ignore it. First red flag here for me was that everyone was seemingly being extra nice to Dusk right at the end here as if they weren't sure but wanted to set her up. "Omg thank you for saving her. Omg you're like my sister. You're the best" etc etc. Seemed a tad more on the nose than usual. And then Imogen seemingly randomly asking to read her mind with a serious face on, and then when Matt says there is a block, and no one seems to react with surprise. And then Travis just went real direct with it. Still fun either way. I'm just not convinced the rest of them didn't know something was up.
gotta remember the episodes are pre-recorded. They wouldnt have had a chance to have it really spoiled on youtube or twitter cuz the eps hadnt gone up yet when they played.
I read those extra nice moments as them thinking Dusk was going to leave soon since she was looking to reunite with Fearne's parents. And the mind reading from Imogen doesnt feel as random if you think that someone just suddenly is trying to start a relationship with her best friend who is very innocent and vulnerable, and Imogen was also feeling a bit jealous probably.
I need to stop watching these, I'm still at episode 134 of campaign 2 and still haven't watched season 1 yet, can't wait to start season 3. Maybe towards the end of 2022 or early 2023
You really shouldn't watch spoilery stuff... Like you, I started on C2, then carried on to begin C3, then I realised there are massive 'wtf' lore bombs that span across seasons! Matt plays a veeeery long game! I immediately stopped C3, went back and did all of C1 to understand the history. And now I'm back on the same page with C3 and it all makes soooo much more sense, and the 'epic' factor increased massively. :D
This seems to be a railroaded event. Surprised everyone just lets her transform. Similar to the end of C1 where the Oathbreaker Dragonborn did two actions in one instance and escapes.
It's not an event, it's literally just a physical description of what she actually looks like as a changeling. "Surprised everyone just lets her transform" because they were caught up by the surprise and wanted to see what the reveal was. They don't need to win a combat by attacking the *guest* instantly and killing her character before she gets to do anything in order to have fun in D&D...
It took a minute for Erika to describe it, but I'm pretty sure changelings change like Mystique so it's almost instantaneous. I don't think everyone was in the room (I think it's Fearne, FCG, Ashton and Fearne's mom), but I'm sure at least those four at the top of next session will have some sort of reaction. Plus that was the perfect moment to end the episode on.
This pisses me of royally. Chetney called it, but in stead of believing him they decided to side with more or less a complete stranger. What they should have done was gang up on Dusk and and absolutely massacre her in combat 6 on 1. That would have derailed the campaign in such an awesome way. Now the campaign just feels linear as hell. I'm actually so pissed that I'm gonna go back to watching campaign 1, which I'm seeing for the first time.
The way Chetney phrased his question would not be hard to misdirect him. "No. I'm telling the truth. I don't want to kill her parents. [But I am deceiving you.]" Depends on motive and what happens next.
@@nathanielalderson9111 ehh you don't insight the question, you insight their body language. It isn't about learning an answer to a question, it's how they react to being asked it. Passing the insight check should render something like " I'm purposely dodging around the topic" "I'm not being entirely honest" "I look worried or my voice changes slightly " or " I'm trying not to show my true motive"
@@Liecham I insight on convos, and information. If yah know what to look for these aren't a challenge. Body language can also deceive, and I'd say a Seelie Court shape shifter would have body language mastered.
I mean, i legit, watching this the first time, am not completely convinced Travis did hear about dusk or watch that part of the episode Matt had a one on one. But I don't feel like Travis would do that.
I know they prerecord the episodes but it did feel a little out of the blue for Travis to suddenly be like OH Dusk You're evil right??? I know Travis is brilliant and said he was thinking about it over the weekend, it just did seem a little abrupt how he approached her. It would definitely be interesting to see if they recorded this episode before or after the internet knew Dusk was evil.
I love Travis, but I'm betting whole heartily that he watched the playback of Dusk's 1 on 1 with Matt. I don't want to believe he would cross that character/player boundary of knowledge, but I think it's a little much to assume he figured it all out on his own.
Of all the people at the table, Travis and Sam have, in the past, worked hardest not to meta game. I completely trust that he figured something out on his own, or at least had a major suspicion and, as chetney does, just kinda went on that
@@Supernova71288 That's why I wanna know when they recorded it because the rest of the cast seems genuinely surprised at the betrayal. Because if it was recorded after it feels like everyone in the cast would know ( Critters tweeting and tagging the cast and all that) and they would be way more suspicious of Dusk. But it seem like it was recorded before the reveal and only Travis figured it out? I mean like others have said he does sit right next to Erika so he could have seen her notes and the little conversations between her and Matt. But still it just seems a little abrupt.
@@sopori9037 Oh I absolutely agree I just feel like it was so abrupt which was what was weird about it. But maybe it felt abrupt because most of the episode was spent racing and he thought he would have more time to RP before The Calloways got there?
@@Supernova71288 Travis is the least likely to do that. Rivalled only with Sam. These guys don't care about winning or losing, they just like a good story and having fun. They avoid meta gaming by accident, let alone actually looking it up and watching the video.
Of all the things "Dusk" has done, I want to believe that the only truthful thing they felt was atraction for Laudna and Orym. Not as a part of some convoluted plan to create tension within BH but just cause they find Orym and Laudna hot. Villains can also be down bad for people, y'know.
None of them are short of money, but they were all well established actors/voice actors before CR, and CR is a business like any other. The gofundme funded a specific project. There would clearly be profit involved but people are entitled to be paid for their work. I don't think 'eat the rich' means that no-one should have anything, especially those who are outstanding and hardworking at what they do. I think 'eat the rich' means break the cycle of capitalism that exploits the poorest whilst amassing wealth beyond imagining to the top 1%. Just my take...
"Eat the rich" implies getting rid of billionaires, the kind of people who could fund the entirety of TLoVM singlehandedly and still have enough money to end world hunger 12 times over. They asked for I believe 125,000 to make something for their fans so that they could all continue eating and living. The fans on the other hand, said "No, we want MORE." They didn't ask for that much money, just like they don't ask for Donations on Twitch. They might ask for your Amazon Prime free subscription, because that helps keep everything covered because can you imagine the cost to run a show of this scale? Without Geek and Sundry footing the bill, it comes out of pocket. These guys aren't "the rich", and probably never will be. They might be famous and have fans willing to pay for a project this massive, but they don't get to take home anywhere near that amount of money.
Most Americans don't understand how wealthy they are compared to the rest of the world. "After adjusting for cost-of-living differences, a typical American still earns an income that is 10 times the income received by the typical person in the world.", the Washington Post. So them complaining about the wealthiest of the wealthiest just comes across as dumb, when they are part of the wealthiest. And if that precedent is set and we eat the wealthiest, at what point do they or you become the wealthiest and get eaten?
Even tho I would love to have Travis as the master detective it reeks of meta gaming. Not saying he is doing that but HOW did he just assumed all that?
@Your Brethren Demitri Dunno maybe because they were her friends and as a gift for an upcoming parting they gifted her a simple picture of themselves so she has a memento of their time together? Edit: If one of them had ask her about the picture and how she got it and they THEN used Insight to gain a glimpse of a lie, THEN this would make sense. Iirc someone actually used insight against Dusk but failed?
Travis is probably the best DnD player a DM could want for many reasons and he has shown time and time again the lengths he will go for to avoid metagaming feel like people tend to discount how intelligent he actually is for some odd reason, he and marisha always figure things out ahead of the pack
Matt does mention at the end of the episode that there have been tiny hints along the way. I believe he says inconsistency in Dusk’s stories among a few other things…I am curious and want to go back and look for them now.
I think its just Travis connecting the dots. Firstly Dusk claims to not even know who they themselves are, whether they are an op or not is always in the air. Secondly they seem to be extremely interested in Fearnes parents and even has a picture of them, and the best excuse is that they want to find them because they like them, while they seem to have no motivation regarding their own past or regaining memories. Thirdly, while Dusk has stayed with the group they constantly prod for information and put up a very bumbling act of personality, while they have also shown great swordmanship and magical abilities and also deceptive interrogation, it doesnt match up that well. To sum up, a overreacting elf, who claims to have no memories are looking for fearnes parents because they like em, while also being extremely skilled in both sword and magic. Erika also never explained their magic, Travis knew they were a warlock i assume, but they never talked of their patron, which is SUS too.
I felt like the cast should have figured something was up when the warlock walked up to laudna and cast lay on hands on her on the crawler. The fact that theyve played dnd for like 7 years and no one was confused by the warlock using a paladin feature would have set my red flags off immediately.
Honestly this really didn't work at all for me. It's not a big deal, its fine. But it just.. didn't feel natural. Mostly it felt like a player came up with a theory at home and then just kinda crowbarred it into the game when it felt like time was running out to see if they guessed right.
And if he guessed right..... how could that possibly be a bad thing? it’s not like Matt and Erika changed anything to fit his theory- for me as a DM this was one of the highlights of the campaign from a RP perspective.
Travis just went back and watched the episode I think lol. Probably just skipped to that part, watched what happened, and then turned it off just to be in the loop.🤣 I can’t lie I would of done the same thing lol
I did not enjoy Travis doing this, it really dampened the moment for me. Ashley’s face at the reveal was still pretty great at the end of the episode though.
I think he realised that now the race is over, and sensing that they had already played for a good long session so the evening would end soonish and if he was right, Dusk would be forced to make a move very quickly, he just went for it. I would have done the same, otherwise the chance might have gone. I agree it felt weird in a way, it was a bit 'on the nose'. I kinda wish he HAD missed the moment so Dusk's reveal was a clean shot, but then we wouldn't have learned that about Chetney, which I think will also turn out to be important.
Perfectly in character for him to be suspicious of Dusk. I'd rather they make the decisions based on how the characters would act, as he did, rather than stop and think about "oh does this make for a nice moment for the viewers". Chetney sussed her out and nailed it, wouldn't make much sense for the character to just keep that to himself.
