That wasn't the original ending. Jamie Foxx had it changed because he said it would be what the audience wants ( though I have no clue what the original was ).
@@deanromanado5850I always hear that, but also hear that Foxx said he never did that. I'm not sure what's true. Haven't taken the time to research it.
agreed. The hollywood obsession with "the system cannot be torn down" destroys to many good films. They were doing re-writes of the ending right up to the last minute, and it screams of producer interference for "optics" reasons. A much better ending would have involved the city, the state, or even the whole country being thrown into a social a political change
this movie points out the fact that "Justice" doesn't really exists 75% of the time.... it's nothing more than a Word to be thrown around/out to make it sound like it's a good outcome towards a Victory or getting a win without the risk of shame in losing a case.
~ "Justice, there's no word more loved by the people, and it does have a nice ring to it... , but, without ever exercising your own strength, you seek the death of others, at the hands of someone else, well, the justice you refer to, smells pretty rotten to me, the stench of a blood bath..." Balalaika to Rock in Black Lagoon: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Joxbfm11WAc.html
Yeah, I heard the ending was the way it was due to Jamie Foxx's EGO. The only GOOD thing about that ending is that the "hero" (Clyde) successfully "reformed" the "Villain" (Nick) and made him see the error of his ways. Otherwise, the ending sucked!
@@sharkdentures3247As much as I'd prefer to see Clyde alive and win, still the ending to this movie made Clyde win. Jaime Foxxs character had to go down to his level and break the rules and laws to stop Clyde. Kinda like what Joker did to Harvey in The Dark Knight. He took the White knight snd brought him down to "our" level.
@@fairshareofdrownedsoulsby giving him the killswitch? granted he saved the lives in the movie, however, he took the roles of judge and executioner under his own ego, then, commited quite a bit of destruction himself I guarentee wouldn't have gone as smoothly as shown in the movie, such as the explosion he resetup in the state prison..
avoid movie trailers like the plague they always ruin the movie...this movie was a masterpiece with exception of the ending...the lawyer flat out murdered Clyde and had no consequences from it. Clyde says he leant to not make deals with murderers anymore but he didn't learn the lesson that he can't take the law into his own hands and become the executioner too.
Jamie Foxx cut a deal to keep a no loss conviction rate. He didn't consult Butler of the deal, he was supposed to let him decide win or lose. So Jamie became the target of his rage.
In criminal proceedings the DAs office is a representation of the state. While they work hand in hand with the victim in order to collect all the information of the case and to let the victim know the most up to date information on the case the victim has no say in the proceedings on which the case is being taken for action. The DA while trying to reach a fair outcome for the victim their overall responsibility is to the state and work for the best interest of the public. So in murder cases the victim has no say on how the state wishes to move forward with the case.
@@dsmitty4228 represent the state in the event of Charges not being made by the victim. If the victim does press charges the victim hand and hand with the D.A. The D.A. consults with victim because it must be fair to the one bringing charges. Taking it out of the hands of the victim causes other victims of Crimes not to come forward. Knowing the person that really done it is sitting next to you on the train or airplane. Unjust!
@@BruceJohnson-om5kl in criminal cases victims do not press charges the charges are brought by the victims to the state and the state prosecutes on behalf of the victims but the state is the representative in all criminal offenses including murder. So once the victim has reported the crime the state takes over in bringing the case to court and all legal proceedings. So once the crime has been reported and it’s being tried as a criminal case the victim cannot choose to rescind charges made against the defendant. Only the state can.
@@dsmitty4228 Victims do not bring charges but they have a say in if they want to file charges with a crime committed against them. Only if they refuse to file charges will the city or state can file it as a voice for the people. The State represents the people not themselves.
@@BruceJohnson-om5kl yes that’s correct that’s what I was saying when they file those charges and it’s filed as a criminal charge the file gets sent to the DA’s office and they file the criminal proceedings. The state then is the representative on that case as the prosecution. Once the charges have been filed they can’t be rescinded by anyone except the state in this case. For example if you come home and you find that your significant other has been murdered, and you call the police. At the point that the police were called and you reported the crime you have effectively brought the charges to the state. The police will conduct their investigation and the DA office will upon a suspect being brought to court as the criminal in this case will be conducting all the legal proceedings in the case. The victim can no longer rescind the report because they found out that it was their child that killed them. And the victim can’t ask for a lighter or a heavier sentence due to that fact either because in criminal cases it’s the state who is filing the charges on behalf of the victim.
I like the alternative ending on RU-vid where he sits down and rings the phone (detonating the bomb in the building which was not found, but before it shows the explosion it cuts to the credits as he looks onwards)
Lawyers? District attorney. I’m sure I’m the 1000th comment saying that. Yeah most DA’s are lawyers but their job is district attorney or staff of the da
Part of the reason I think this movie doesn't sit well with a lot of people is that it's hard to clarify who the protagonist and antagonist are by the end. Nick is written to be an anti-hero, but by the end of the movie, a lot of people are still convinced he was just straight up the antagonist, whereas Clyde is supposed to be the antagonist, but a lot of people vibe with his vigilante justice when like 90% of the movie's characters are scum bags or doing something corrupt.
Master strategists/tacticians are my favorite types of characters, so watching Clyde's ingenious plans unfold already made this one of my favorite movies. It's too bad about the ending, however. I would've like to see Clyde win (law and order be damned lol).
I think this movie is one of my favorites of all time because of how thought provoking it is. You look at Clyde and you see a man who lost everything to a corrupt system which skewed his sense of justice. You look at Nick and you see a man who starts as a selfish narrow minded man who only wants convictions and becomes the man he should have been from the start, a man dedicated to doing whatever it takes to see murderers pay for their crimes. On the other side of the coin, Nick loses what made him a good lawyer, his commitment to the law. Viewers of this movie tend to start on Clyde’s side, wanting to see Darby pay for his actions, and slowly we start to see Nick’s side of things, seeing how far Clyde is willing to go and knowing how far gone he is. Personally, I still end up siding with Clyde at the end. He went too far, yes, but his cause was just and righteous. Clyde summed up my feelings towards characters like Nick perfectly when he tells Nick “You didn't even care, you didn't even try, you could've walked out of that courtroom with your head held high I could've lived with that.” Trying to convict Darby to death row would have been justice, even if they lost. All Clyde wanted was for Nick to try, and Nick couldn’t even do that.
Now I'm no expert, but I believe that having the emotional range of a wooden plank is not good for a reaction channel. Looking at you on the left there...
Love it. Plot twist movie The Prestige.... Unsung hero smaller budget film The Identity. If the prestige have Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Scarlett Johansson and the Michael Caine. Identity has John Cusack, Ray Liotta and many more...
This movie upsets me so much. Don't get me wrong, its an AMAZING movie, but Jaime Foxx is the bad guy in this. He doesn't deserve to win. Butler should've taken them all out.
As a trial lawyer, I get involved (like going to the properties, etc.) for most things, and yes, the job is fun. But I am nothing like the coward at trial like this lawyer. Also, the only disappointing issue with this movie that Jamie Foxx (kinda) wins. He should have destroyed everyone for what happened.
A Great Thriller, Best Part Is The Judge Gettin It From a Cell Phone Utterly Brilliant!! Sad To Say But This is Exactly How The So Called Justice System Works
This movie depicts the way the"Justice system"really is...Prosecutors,judges,public pretenders and police are all buddies and members of the same club,social groups, etc.... The faster they make a deal,or take a plea bargain the quicker they get paid and thats all they are worried about...
Nick is involved because it's affecting and dealing with the people he knows and cares about. He's also a prosecutor, the head prosecutor and they work coding with the police. They don't normally investigate but he is involved. His own family and friends are in jeopardy. So he's more involved, also is a movie
The bad guy won. That sucked. I felt sorry for the father. First for what happened to his family then that the prosecutor saw to it that the perpetrator escaped punishment. The lawyer was innocent though. He did his job right by protecting his clients rights.
The state does have to send a representative in cases that end in the death penalty to make visual confirmation that indeed the person who was sentenced to death was carried out and that is was carried out in the methods the state has approved of. So that what happens in this movie even though most likely never happens (can’t say for sure) is prosecuted, for it is still murder.
I'd still love to see you react to Boardwalk Empire but it's a series so I would also like to offer 'Runaway Jury' for your consideration as the title implies it as all set around a trial and what goes on behind the scenes.
Lol all these try hard edgelords whining about not getting an actual bs "dark/subvert your expectations" ending. It's like none of y'all even watched the movie. Clyde had absolutely nothing else to lose after losing his family, while Nick did. Before reuniting with his family, Clyde wanted to at least do one good thing by giving Nick a real chance at redemption, which he ultimately succeeded in doing, he literally reformed Nick, for the better. It makes total sense that Clyde died in the end and reformed Nick gets to live out the life that Clyde would've had with his own family. Like wtf were y'all expecting, Clyde continuing on like this and becoming the Punisher? Lmao in that case go watch that marvel "movie", something a little more adjusted to the level of your tiny brains.
I didn't get the impression Nick changed one bit. He broke the rules to win against Clyde, but there's nothing to indicate he won't keep practicing law the exact same way.
If you guys enjoyed Law Abiding Citizen you should check out Unthinkable. Really thought provoking movie that blurs the line between right and wrong, when the ends justify the means, what would you do when the stakes are unbelievably high?
That film was awesome but sadly had what I call a 'Pay it forward' ending which is the award I give to movies where I thought the ending sucked. If you've seen the movie Pay it forward you'll understand.
This is also one of my favorite films. It's just so poignant. This film is an examination of what in political philosophy is called "The Law and The Exception" or more simply, the state of exception. The state of exception represents just that, an exception. It stands as an unordinary situation that calls for a temporary exemption from the standard policy, which is typically the in place "rule of law". Butler's character is a personification of the State of Exception, while Fox's character is a representation of the rule of law itself. The whole idea is this: There are numerous occasions, more than we like to think, more than we like to admit, in which it is clearly obvious that the state or the powers that have the authority to either punish or support, should do so even if it means circumventing itself, circumventing the law. Butler's character is a murderer, of whom the law is totally and completely aware that he is certainly guilty, yet they continue to make deals with him, they set him free, ect. As Clyde says, "Apparently I just killed two people, and you were gonna let me walk right out that door." The system isn't imperfect. As Clyde says, it's broken. It's broken because there is a religious adherence to the so called golden rule of law, which is that "everyone is innocent until proven guilty." The reality is there is no golden rule, and if changes and exceptions cannot be made, and the system remains strict and ridged instead of evolving, it's not going to function like we need it to, like it should. The fact of the matter is not everyone should be viewed as equal in the eyes of the law, because not all crimes are equal. Murder is not the same as drug possession, and if you are accused of committing murder, well, as Fox's character says, "Fuck his civil rights." When you choose to live in society and adhere to it's rules you sign a contract. Frankly, part of that contract should be that if you are implicated in a violent crime like murder or rape, your civil rights go out the fucking window. Some people say that's draconian, I say that's fair. Treating everyone as equal no matter the crime, the way it's done now, is absolutely not fair, and it's certainly not moral. The religious adherence to "everyone is innocent until proven guilty" is THE reason why so many guilty people dont get punished, and why so many innocent people get imprisoned or worse, executed. Sometimes, when you know, when everyone knows, regardless of whether or not it's provable, those people should be locked the fuck up. On another note, the system we have already doesn't treat the rich and the poor like equals. You commit something like fraud and owe millions of dollars, if you can't pay it, you go to prison. If rich and famous people get convicted of that, and they can't pay it for whatever reason - literally nothing happens to them. So regardless of whether or not what the film suggests is better, something certainly needs to change. The whole point is that situations where exceptions should be made exist all the time, all around us, but because the state, the law, is the only authority to declare a state of exception, it let's people suffer and die as it decides for the sake of it own authority instead of for the sake of the people, when and where to make that declaration.
Everyone talking about how they hated the ending and ik i will get some hate for this the ending was perfect those who disagree is out of arrogance and/or ignorance you missed the point and he was trying to do
@@josephalbrecht434 lol ig you agree with ppl that didnt pay attention but nice try objectivly if you paid attention things ended like they shouldve but of course im probably wasting my breathe on someone that cant realize that
@@codyturner9741 there you go being arrogant again bc you think your opinion is correct…the ending plays both ways for those that hated the ending and those that loved the ending. Your opinion doesn’t not constitute with being right
I'm sure you wouldn't be thinking your defense attorney is a slime ball if you happen to ever need one and just because he represented these guys doesn't mean he should die because everyone has a right to be defended in court because you're innocent till proven guilty
The fact that Tristan have seen the movie would normally make me skip the reaction... But let's be real here.. Law Abiding Citizen is a FACKING masterpiece! :D
I haven't seen this movie in a while! Loved it when it first came out. When Sam says "that was Terrible.....The cello, not the man dying" Lmao, that got me. Both of your senses of humor are great! Idk if you do requests at all but if you haven't seen "Everything,Everywhere, All at once" It's an awesome movie!
This is one of those gray area cases where grief and trauma broke Clyde (understandably) & he had a particular skill set that was brutal for the people he chose to turn his anger towards.
Hey Sam & Tristan - really enjoy your reactions. And Sam...at the start, I was like DAMN....what happened to your right arm??? There is a shadow that covers it that makes it look like you have a NASTY bruise on it. Took me a while before I saw that the shadow moved as you moved, so I was relieved to realize it wasn't a bruise.
