"Learning to be in the world" Dinner&Talk @NAV with Nora Bateson & Daniel Schmachtenberger HD1080p 

Daniel is not the thinker we deserve, but the one we desperately need

One of the most important conversations of our time. Thank you for opening this up for discussion, Nora and Daniel.

When Daniel is talking about the "hell is other people" aspect of why we isolate into nuclear family structures, I think it's important to recognize that it's not just about the banal, day-to-day difficulties of living with other people. This is certainly an important facet of it. Community, especially navigating the inevitable conflicts that arise, is hard. However, what seems to be part of this aversion to community is a fear we have, so deeply engrained, about what can happen when humans get together and connect more deeply. A lot of beautiful things can arise from that, but we also know from both the history and the present some of the other things that can happen. Oppressive in-group/out-group dynamics, abuses of power, fanatical religiosity, war with other groups, cults, enforced conformity, genocide, sexual abuse, and countless other very unpleasant things. So we isolate to stay safe from that. I think it's very important to respect the isolating impulse, what it's trying to teach us, but we can't stop there. We need to also look at what we're missing out on, to acknowledge our loneliness, our lack of connection and meaning as a result of alienated, atomized existence in late capitalist modernity. Another piece of that is that our current civilizational structure conditions us to be more separate, and it does this very intentionally (in an emergent meta-systemic sense of intentionality). The industrial growth machine requires our separation to reproduce itself, and so much of our technology, advertising, media, and products are engineered to capture our attention in ways that disconnect us from others, to meet the needs that we should be getting from other people from their product or platform. Of course, they don't actually meet those needs, and so we need ever more of that product/service/media in an attempt to satisfy us, with increasingly briefer moments of satisfaction.

The thing I find striking about Daniel, Nora, and people who seem to mix in their circles is that when they talk about the state we are in, they can talk about it without the need to blame people. This is so valuable because people will be so much more willing to listen and get on board if we can follow these awesome examples.

The simplified message is: we need to end the need to earn a living because that is what forces us to sell out our values. We need to talk about this everywhere and raise awareness about the need to meed everyone's needs unconditionally.

Daniel is looking like a modern day greek warrior poet. His take on MDMA and the change in logic is spot on

Hoping for more Nora + Daniel - it’s watching the balanced masculine and feminine talk. So needed and necessary.

The speakers are discussing profound issues at such an intellectual level that their wisdom transcends the awareness of a vast majority of living humans. That, in itself, is even more terrifying.

It's wonderful to see Daniel's live appearances in Sweden. He brings his soul and urgency with him. His at-home and podcast RU-vids are wonderful, but getting him and Nate to Norrsken and NAV provided a new context for them both to stretch and adapt. Thank you Nora!

I really like the interweaving of how their tones and wonderings about the world meet in this conversation. They go beyond the idea of “one up - one down” and meet themselves ( and their work ) in the middle .

Great conversation 🍄 McKenna would argue that the older tribal style only became oppressive when shamanic plant technologies were not in use.

Thank you for this discussion. I'm so very grateful this type of conversation is present.

My super basic suggestion to facilitate this big change is start growing your own food and get your neighbors too as well. If/when the transition gets wonky, you won't be dependent on a super fragile system for your daily sustenance.

can truly hear him all all day

Aah this. When we talk about "that", we forget how it is held in "this". I loved how Nora and Daniel brought home "that", to the seat of learning, here, as we do how to be.

Yes, let’s make the driver of the changes we need be our awe and reverence for nature. Pay attention ❤

Thanks for uploading this! Wishing more people would listen to Mr Schmachtenberger.

Imagine sitting in a circle where everyone can see everyone. 🙏

What a gift this conversation is to the world. Thank you.

31 minutes, Daniel just laid out a huge point, we need to keep what we've built, and build on it, we don't have time to start over. 55 minutes Nora creates with language this picture of making room for someone in your heart, almost physical, touching. Thank you both very much Daniel and Nora for sharing how you became who you are and the questions that you still trying to answer at this stage of your lives. Peace

1:22:38...... I have waited for SO LONG for Daniel to answer that question... 1:30:40 and 1:46:52, If you have no agency in regards the complexity of what Daniel speaks to, then fundamentally understanding and developing agency around the answer to the question that was given is the way, if we could collectively do that I believe it would give rise to many of the answers we are looking for. Thank you SO much Daniel!

Great to be part of such a ❤wise discussion

Comming back to re-listening. Now I understand why home schooling is banned.

ouroboric seeing/sensing the evolving nooshphere into being as we continue to devour our ending...such a momentous yarn...deep gratitude...what an epochally significant time to exist

*The part about factory farming as a child and all the feelings that came with it after you did the research. I felt the exact same as a young adult. Daniel probably has the most relatable childhood/teenage thought process of any person I have come across yet.

Daniel is so smart, his response to Nora at 1:05:06 is spot on. I was thinking that same thing the whole time she was reminiscing about how amazing it was to have her dad feel out the household situation to determine who gets to wash the dishes. These things work on small scale and sometimes they don't even work on a small scale at all - just because you think you figured out who the best person would be to wash dishes that night doesn't mean that person would agree. Arguments would ensue, people would be hurt and defensive and some lazy, so that's why you establish rules outside of "feelings" and personal assessments, so that no one would feel singled out or could argue based on biases or emotion. Wednesday is Tommy's day. Period. We need rules like that in society especially the work place. Otherwise it would be chaos. She's too idealistic.

Thank you so much NAV for hosting and for posting this video so soon after the event. What a beautiful dialogue. As a pretty early stage father I am deeply touched by the perspectives shared both on the meta-crises futures level AND the micro level of the home and family. I will be referring and referencing this conversation for a long time to come 🙏🌟

What a remarkable conversation, the way it moves in and out of zoom, touching into the profoundly personal one moment and then moving out to the macro in another. It’s fascinating to watch the currents and eddies of the discussion move around the transcontextual spaces that Nora and Daniel explore; the connections between who does the dishes to the meta crisis, homeschooling and existential questions, the beauty of life and cows bleeding on the way to the slaughterhouse, what would parrots teach their young and how to talk about ‘difference’ in a world of increasing polarity. The musicality of the conversational dance is so vital and magnificent. 💜

Thank you so much dear Nora for sharing this important open dialogue from the heart

This was fantastic, and very interesting. Thanks for posting this.

Life changing.

His comments on aristocrat tutoring are interesting. It's speculated that one of the reasons ravens are so intelligent is because they spend more longer with adults before leaving the next than other avians. Why would he think this couldn't scale? And does it need to?

One way of thinking about the traditional / conservative side is that it has a deeper understanding for the unconscious evolutionary drivers 29:10

Thank u for speaking out 😊

This is a great collaboration!

Great talk. Regardless, the specter of political economy is haunting this conversation. We can’t stoic our way out of this global capitalist cluster fuck.

Tribal bonding at a earth scale requires a new myth for humanity

Perfection is the enemy of progress.

In the 21st Century it has become almost universally obvious that there is only one Earth and that there is nothing remotely like the Earth in the reachable vicinity. THAT indisputable fact, that the simple reality ISN'T an automatic unifying factor, especially when we recognize that humans are knowingly "punching holes in their own life raft", is the most confusing and disheartening aspect of human nature.

His beard game reaches never-before-seen levels

Breathing this in deeply. The only thing that fails to resonate is Daniel’s subscription to old school assumptions about traditional/Indigenous cultures and limitations to scaling up Democratic processes. Aka, Dawn of Everything, Open access university and emerging Indigenous leaders including Tyson Yunkaporta, Bayo Akomolafe, Vanessa Andreotti, et al. Otherwise his analysis of the Megacrisis is brilliantly terrifying.

Protect this man

30 sec in... That beard Daniel!! On point my brother!! First intro to Nora. OG with Daniel. Can't wait.

Nora Bateson's story about homeschooling her children is so heartbreaking. What have we done to our society's children?

JENN IM brought me here.

Here here to 100% Unemployment! Humans can finally find a purpose and meaning unprescribed. It won’t be easy, but will open up so many potentials very few ever have the ability to explore.

thanks

Has anyone been able to find the study Daniel referred to: "The Statistical Precursors of Super Genius"? Please help!!

Ironically, and tellingly, at least 50% of the American population would be unable to follow this conversation because of the education system they grew up under. Additionally, probably 90% of that same population would prefer to play video games or watch sports to listening to this vital analysis of our "present moment". We the People are the equivalent of the exuberant orchestra in the Grand Salon of the Titanic moments before...

Home schooling would have the added value of causing self directed interest in learning...and more connectedness with the material..IMO

1:23:48 What does he mean? GPT-6? I can't find anything. Thank you!

There is no answer. There is no solution. There is only practice.

Andbyou dont live with them

We can’t prepare our children for the unpredictable future by definition. The best we as parents can do for our children is not to divorce, let’s start there .

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#learntocode

Climate change mitigated refugees, ok thanks Daniel, your the man.

He is a wondrous man.

Next month we hit 8 billion people. WAY TO MANY. NUFF SAID. ❤️❤️🌎❤️❤️ Mother Earth wants us G-O-N-E

More importantly, are you both single? Because power couple

.. actually.. trowing a spear was not that important, to heard nuts, roots and other plants was the most important . 80 % of the nutrician in the ancient times - like stone age was plants . Gatherers was much more impotant than hunters..... but its a male world still

Yeah Daniel, Dunbar’s number, tribes…. We’ve lost the plot entirely.

Aboriginal peoples would spook large game over cliffs. No spears required.

"Perverse economic incentives" is just a euphemism for BLIND GREED.

She does not seem to know how to listen and learn. Skipping her monologues all the way.

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