Learning to Land a Cirrus is Not Easy! Cirrus SR20

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PART 2 of my Cirrus Transition training - and perhaps the second most important part - learning how to land it. It's very different to the PA28 and I just could not get the hang of it. After hours of practise though, I managed to get some salvageable landings once I figured out what I was doing wrong...
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 Flying to Houston Southwest
05:24 Practising Landings
19:17 Flying Back to Hooks

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@Parkerditchfield921 Год назад

How you both change outfits after take off is also so impressive Noel 😃

@gadgme73 Год назад

Noticed the same, wouldn't have been so obvious had they not been matching in bright red all of a sudden! Good vid.

@wagnertenor Год назад

I own a SR22T, and the advice I will give is, you have to be exactly on airspeed over the threshold. It will drop like a stone is you are too slow or bounce if you are too fast.

@joerngrossblotekamp Месяц назад

Yes, the envelope is quite narrow.

@cunnerzzz Год назад

Hopefully that won't be the last time we see Gabriela on the channel, absolute tonic and wonderful patient instructor! Loved this video!

@darrena2625 Год назад

Buttered it eventually, well done, Noel. Such a lovely instructor too.

@FlyWithNoelPhilips Год назад

Thank you kindly!

@skyhawk_4526 Год назад

One good trick for getting on-centerline landings down is practicing at an airport with an uncomfortably narrow runway. It's a little intimidating, but it's good practice and it works. "Aim small, hit small." Then when at wider runways, just focus on the white stripes and not the big chunk of asphalt surrounding them.

@phyllislowry6265 Год назад

You did it!!!! 3 cheers!!!! We used to drive from the Woodlands to the baseball games in Houston & eat in close by restaurants. We never went to the city to just look around, as my hubby drove 35 miles to work & didn't care to drive on the weekend. We did take the commuter train to the boss's condo, which was right by the prison & you could see inside the ballpark. To take the train, we drove to a stop with a parking lot . I do not remember where. Besides, there were so many nice places in the Woodlands & right across the highway. My friend who lives at Lake Houston goes into the city quite often, but I think it's closer.

@Just_a_Pigeon Год назад

Living the dream. Well done there.

@anodebamutya4760 Год назад

I just realized I’m smiling through this video. 🙌🏿 I’m proud to be subscribed 20:11

@Samarithan72 Год назад

Besides missed center lines, loads of greased landings there Noel, love it

@sheilaathay2034 Год назад

❤🎉good job Noel!

@MA-ky5bn Год назад

Amazing landing Bro .

@ZeroThreeDelta Год назад

I got concerned for a sec when you said you were still undergoing your transition 😂

@davidmccutcheon485 Год назад

Noel, you can handle anything that the Cirrus throws your way. Remember - you're 6'4" now (as you commented on the last Pakistan flight vid to the high mountains), a result from living now in Texas. And don't forget - hook 'em horns!

@Calebs_Aviation Год назад

Great video Noel I love love love the Cirrus especially the SR-20/22 series aircraft! Where I attend college a Western Michigan University WMU flies the SR-20! Also that landing was pure butter 🧈 my friend! When I get to Houston someday we will have to fly together also hopefully by then we can fly in the Cirrus and I’ll have my Single engine PPL then!! 😁 😊🛩️

@Dodilafir Год назад

Nice one I like this Cirrus 👌

@MJ6105- Год назад

Noel, try getting the checklist and paperwork off your legs and relax. It looks like you’re working on holding your knees together to hold the papers. Also it’s not safe because if they slide off your natural reaction is to grab for them and you don’t want that distraction at a critical moment in approach or departure.

@louisthetravelspotter Год назад

Great vlog

@kylezinn7652 6 месяцев назад

As an oldie of a flight instructor, allow me to suggest something I've seen far too many students do. Get rid of what's on your lap and let your knees separate! You have them pinned together which highly impacts your ability to use the rudders efficiently and for proper, safe control. Every single landing you had your knees pinned together, swaying with the movement the aircraft was taking. Side loading the aircraft, not on centerline, are a huge indication of lack of rudder usage. Get rid of those papers separate your knees and start pushing those rudders all the way when you first start up the airplane so you get to appreciate how much movement and action they allow for.

@ytlongbeach 4 месяца назад

personally, i like to manspread. so, i agree !

@LittleManFlying Год назад

Great video! Thank you for taking us along. Some unsolicited notes from a CFII who used to teach around Boston... Your ident IS the response to the instruction from ATC to "squawk ident." No verbal response is necessary and it's often unwelcome in busy airspace. Also, on initial call-up after a handoff, it's always good to state destination and flight rules, along with current altitude (level/climbing/descending, target altitude), e.g.: "Houston Departure, Cirrus 2706 Echo, level one thousand two hundred, VFR Houston Southwest." Like the controller said, it wasn't your fault that they had the wrong destination on your strip, but staying destination on initial call-up would have caught and resolved it with fewer radio exchanges. And that sort of crisp nonsense radio proficiency (which you pretty much already have), over time, really builds equity with TRACON controllers. 🤓

@Recoil21 Год назад

Interesting as I don't know if the procedures vary in the US. It may be a habit he's picked up from the UK as ATC require a readback when squawk IDENT is requested by the controller.

@LittleManFlying Год назад

@@Recoil21 I'd imagine it would be the same in all ICAO countries. My IFR experience is limited to US and Canada. When I worked as a CFII around Boston, we were asked to keep our calls as concise as humanly possible. For example, we were discouraged from saying "with you" when checking in on a new frequency after hand-off. Boston, Providence, and New York approach just wanted to hear type, call sign, and altitude. "G'day" or "thanks" upon hand-off was about as gregarious as it got. Middle of the night or when there was a Patriots or Sox game going on was a different story, of course.

@AK-nb6hz Год назад

UK RT is quite different to the US. We have quite a few different concepts vs the US. No flight following, we use basic service etc and many of our calls and procedures are different. If you’re interested, they’re all published in CAA CAP413.

@theonlywoody2shoes Год назад

As a PPL I found transitioning between a PA28 - 161 Cherokee and a PA28 - 200 Arrow challenging, but not for the obvious reasons. The latter has a “wobbly prop” and retractable gear, but it wasn’t these that caused me issues. It was the much heavier weight of the Arrow, especially in the landing flare - more inertia and a higher landing speed too. The S-Tec30 autopilot (just tied into a bug on the DI, with altitude hold) was also a big learning challenge. I would imagine the Cirrus with its glass cockpit is another transition to consider - and get added to your logbook. Keep practicing, you’ll grow to love the improved performance and “toys” you now have.

@CRY552 5 месяцев назад

I got my PPL in a SR-20. It took me a while to transition from a 172. It was a challenge but keep with it and you'll be spreading butter in no time.

@timbacchus Год назад

I always try to keep the nose wheel always on the center line. And yellow taxie line. I like to have someone hold down the tail until the nose wheel is off the ground and you inside so you can see just where the runways looks over the panel for perfect landing all the time.

@kingfish4575 Год назад

Hey you live in my old hometown! i lived in League City. Galveston is a great place to visit as long as it isn't spring break lol.

@DannyA3579 Год назад

Galveston’s a cool city. I worked on a cruise ship…well, several cruise ships…out of Galveston. 4 little words - Nestle’s Toll House Cafe Not that that’s THE reason to go to Galveston, but it’s definitely a tasty one.

@eaglerandall11 11 месяцев назад

5310D is my favorite plane there, so far. the arrow is my next venture

@Inserico Год назад

Did your instructor tell you what power setting to aim for during base & final? I find that fairly useful - 50% power at Flaps 1, 25% power at Flap 2 and aim for no slower than 80 kts (do what your instructor tells you). Minor adjustment to power as required. I find if I do 80kts, I will make contact with the ground still with effective control, but at the stall speed (pretty consistently). And I'm someone who almost failed PPL because I couldn't land consistently on a 172, but on the Cirrus I'm able to get smooth landings fairly consistently. Good luck!

@dabigcat73 Год назад

As and old, "know it all" instructor.. I would like to leave you guys this comment... I actually feel that Gabriela is a good instructor, but isn't helping the student as well as she should. She is too relaxed and instilling a level of insecurity with the student. A little more instruction of how the autopilot works, in something more basic as staying in HDG mode would have been better. NAV mode is swinging the plane around, and he isn't sure about how an autopilot even takes over yet.. So she is rushing his learning curve. She got better as the flight went on.. It is all an emotional thing anyway, but, if he is nervous about landing.. then she should be doing full stop landings for a bit... until he feels good. Making the landings touch-and-go's are distracting the student from focusing just on the landing.. he is clearly already thinking about raising the flaps and doing the touch and go, and not focusing on a good solid landing.. I would think about that next time. He would be learning all of this faster.. She is is about 3 or 4 lessons in front of him, in his learning curve.

@Mikeabq1 Год назад

Might try some high speed taxi runs power on-off-on-off to practice rudder control.

@pjncompany 5 месяцев назад

LMBO. I am literally going to Hooks next week to fly that same airplane. Transitioning from a PA 28 lol

@cedarkey Год назад

@13:20 They never go away… until you fly large commercial jets and it’s the exact opposite 😂

@skyhawk_4526 Год назад

A few base-to-final overshoots there. I'm sure it's related to the Cirrus being a faster plane in the pattern than the Cherokee. But as a cheater (and if you're not cheating, you're not trying), I have found that undershooting the extended centerline is always better than overshooting. An undershoot requires less corrective action when rolling out on final since you just have to reduce the roll rate earlier (once you recognize the undershoot) and let it slowly drift over to the extended runway centerline, rather than the last-second increased bank angle followed by the (opposite input) level-out that is needed to quickly correct for an overshoot. Perfect is always ideal, but if having to choose between the two less-than-ideal rollouts onto final, I prefer the undershoot every time. Edit: An undershoot is also better and safer when operating at airports with parallel runways.

@adamharbour111 Год назад

I see nav mode scaring the 💩 out of the AWESOME Rach

@dannaturman1570 27 дней назад

i find the sr20 quite forgiving to land as long as you're not to fast when crossing the threshold. Low 80's at most.

@dukesc5562 Год назад

Did she just call you Bob?😄 When she was asking about seeing the rest of Houston?

@TheRealCFF Год назад

You’re going to have to develop a different kind of hand-eye coordination to land a Cirrus SR series. Remember: you can fly a Cirrus with only wrist you don’t have to sit there and throw the yoke around hard like you would in a PA-28. Gentle pressure is all it takes to get the results you want if you’re trimmed up and on speed on final. What you really appear to be struggling with in those videos is your crosswind landing technique. As the instructor points out, you are not landing the airplane with the long axis aligned with the runway centerline, which is causing all those problems. Pro tip: extend the runway centerline out to the horizon at infinity, then using rudder pressure, keep the nose pointed at that point of infinity. Use aileron pressure to hold the airplane on the runway centerline, so that you touch down on the upwind main landing gear first with the main wheels straddling the centerline. That being said, a Cirrus is a very easy airplane to land!

@slideryt 2 месяца назад

'Aw Right"

@darrendonaldson7198 Год назад

I’ve just signed up for my PPL, how do you get the sound from the headsets to go through the GoPro??

@WisconsinDriven Год назад

I just asked the same question in a different video..... Lol

@alalal8157 7 месяцев назад

Trim, trim, trim, trim. Once you trim it up on final and u barely have to put any pressure on the controls, all u have to do is a gentle flare to land.......

@brianboone5589 11 месяцев назад

Noel, Do you know which school Gabriela works with ?

@WisconsinDriven Год назад

The position and single handed operation of the yolk looks awkward to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️. But who am I to say with three hours in my logbook.... Lol.

@royspradlin5960 10 месяцев назад

Would like to make contact with your instructor i need some instruction with the landing in my cirrus

@aviationfan2637 Год назад

That was very close traffic at 1:17 there

@dennisyoungblood2035 Год назад

centerline....jeeeezzz

@DJ99777 Год назад

Don’t worry my man. I can’t land a twin Comanche for the life of me. Tried 3 times no luck.

@Coldinwis Год назад

@Noel, the more I watch you fly the more convinced I am that I belong nowhere near a cockpit, my anxiety goes through the roof just watching you fly😂 Do any of you pilots ever get the feeling of wanting to go back to or stick with the smaller planes you feel comfortable with instead of learning how to fly new, bigger ones planes? Or is there a constant longing to wanna fly bigger, more powerful planes?

@LittleManFlying Год назад

I am a commercial light aircraft pilot. I've never had any interest in flying heavy iron or wearing epaulettes. I've been paid to fly off of dirt, mud, gravel, mine tailings, glaciers, ice-runways, water, snow-covered frozen lakes, and the occasional asphalt runway in the day, night, and all sorts of weather. I've operated light aircraft with power-to-weight ratios that airline pilots only dream about, and the coolest ones were considerably older than me. So... nope on always wanting to fly new bigger equipment for this particular pilot. 😊

@Coldinwis Год назад

@@LittleManFlying Thanks for answering! Wow, you got an incredible job!!

@LittleManFlying Год назад

@@Coldinwis Had an incredible job, much of it in Alaska. But, no matter where I go or what I do for a living, I'll always be a commercial light airplane pilot. Commercial Pilot is a certification and a vocation that the pilot who holds the certificate owns until "surrendered, suspended, revoked, or end of life." It's not a job description. I will be one until the fourth condition applies. 😎

@mallinois4978 Год назад

l have never met an airplane I didn't like or want to fly.The harder the better

@kingfish4575 Год назад

Looking at the tailpipes you can tell its a trainer aircraft lol.

@Realroyrogers Год назад

That plane scares me, its unforgiving if you don't keep your speed up but that's just me, task saturation isn't my forte. Its fast and slippery

@ivaniuk123 7 месяцев назад

I thought that landing a cirrus was actually really easy. The 172 that I flew was way more floaty.

@Owensully123 Год назад

I want to get a pilots license but it seems pretty difficult at my age (20) unless I want to turn it into a career. I’m a business student in college. Any advice?

@grahamlees4394 Год назад

go for it! never say never - 20 is a good age to start - so much for you to learn and you'll soak it up like a sponge.

@skyhawk_4526 Год назад

It really boils down to time and money. I'd recommend going to a few local flight instructors/flight schools and run the numbers. If you can save up and take the time off to fly at least twice a week, I think that helps. Spacing lessons too far apart can often mean needing to repeat certain maneuvers because you can lose the "muscle memory" and techniques during your non-flying time. That can mean more lessons and more money spent. Also, see if your college offers a ground school or has any programs linked to flight training. But as the other poster said, you're at a perfect age to start. I started a few lessons at age 16 but stopped. Then again at 19 and stopped. I finally went back to it at 36 years old and got my license. I wish I had done it earlier. So, it's really never too early, but it's also never too late. If money or other priorities are an issue, consider setting the money aside and achieving it when it works for you. In any case, I'd highly recommend scheduling a "discovery" or "introductory" flight if you haven't already. You'll figure out quickly if it's something you want to do. And if it is, the memory that flight will draw you back to it whenever your schedule and financial situation will allow you to dedicate the time to completing the requirements.

@moredjak4687 Год назад

A little inconsistent from instructor wanted him to stay in ground effect longer but then said power idle before reaching ground effect

@Eventwow Год назад

I’m right handed. My left hand is not suitable for fine adjustments 😂😂

@State48Dweller Месяц назад

What's with the music?

@TheAatupaatu Год назад

How do you feel? High. 😁

@technicalactivity Год назад

All you need is a proper Fish and Chips mate and you will be landing like a pro in no time! God Save the King

@jamiemcmullen3647 Год назад

does ur instructor hav her own channel?? if nt i reckon she shud as ppl cud learn tips n tricks from other trainee pilots 😁

@FlyWithNoelPhilips Год назад

She’s on Instagram and TikTok!

@jamiemcmullen3647 Год назад

@@FlyWithNoelPhilips wats her instagram name?? wondered y she ws so comfortable on camera lol

@cunnerzzz Год назад

@@jamiemcmullen3647 Literally says her handle in the video bud

@jonathanfinan722 Год назад

It’s aboard, not on board. On board makes no sense at all.

@fingerhorn4 Год назад

Well, a bit fussy but you've opened a can of worms. It's also not "different TO" or "different THAN" but "different FROM". But you might as well give up, as mashed-up grammar has been in the ascendant for several years now. Nothing one can do about it......