Just ordered the XP Step-Thru....so very excited!!!! I know there will be a long wait for delivery, but well worth the wait. Jeremiah, thank you so much for all your informative videos. Having your video support is one of the main reasons I chose this bike. I especially like the way you expertly present the information. Easy to understand and to the point... no unnecessary chatter and repetitiveness. Well Done! Will purchase your suggested accessories as soon as financially feasible....75 years "young" and on a fixed income.
Thanks. This helped me decide in favor of the Step-Thru version over the regular XP (for the 2.0 models just released May 2021). Given greater speed of ebikes and their tank-weight, anything that adds to safety at high or low speed is a plus. So, Step-Thru's lower center of gravity, and allowing foot on pedal to be a couple inches closer to the ground definitely more useful in dense urban street environment with frequent need to wait at lights and keep bike upright rather than tilted to one side so foot can be on the ground.
Xlnt review, thanks! Was all set to buy one XP and one Step Thru, keeping with the men’s/women’s traditional styles. However, the incompatible battery issue, no matter how infrequent it may arise, convinced me to just buy 2 Step Thru bikes. I see some others (men) did similarly. The lower center of gravity may also help on these small wheelbase bikes, and pedal ground clearance appears to work. I’ll retrain my brain as unisex bikes. These should work great for our 1st RV trip....can’t wait!
I'm thinking the same. My only worry is how sturdy the step thru is. realistically these aren't made for extreme off road so I think they will be fine. still I'm 230lbs so...
Especially when going 20mph. Im still thinking of getting a step thru because its essier to get on and off and a bit smaller when folded@@mcouture8169
I ordered the original (because they sold out of step through in white) and can't wait to try it! I want to use the bike as a means to get to and from work, which is about 10-11 mile trip. I know nobody cares, but this is my first ebike and I'm super exited :D
Interesting comparison. Pedal strikes and curb hopping would be my concerns. Please consider these when you take the step thru on your next ride. I lean into turns and purposefully raise the pedal on the side that I'm turning towards. Pretty sure I learned that from YT Lectric XP videos. Happy riding !!
If you raise the pedal on the side you’re turning into and don’t pedal in turns you will never strike a pedal on the ground If you do you’re a bad MAMAJAMA! That is if the tires don’t slide out first lol.
Got my step-thru today. I get full leg extension comfortably. Its like a elliptical with a seat. Also nice not having a crotch puncher. Also nice being able to fold it and store it in tight living arrangements. Its shape makes the cargo package feel so sleek and copacetic. Its like a scooter combined with an elliptical with a seat.
Good comparison. Since the crank arms are about 2" lower to the pavement, have you noticed any problems when corning if the inside pedal is in the low (6 o'clock) position? As an avid cyclist, I know that as good practice you should never have the inside pedal in the low (6 o'clock) position to avoid the pedal from hitting the pavement, but a novice cyclist may have a problem remembering this. With the standard XP, this was not a problem since the crank arms are so high off the ground, more so than standard bikes. I wish the step trough version was available when I bought my wife's XP. She had a problem with the seat being so high (when adjust for proper leg extension) that her feet could not touch the ground, so I had to lower her seat all the way down after she had several falls due to this problem. 👍
Sonny this Bike would probably definitely be a better fit for her then with the pedals being lower. I tried to measure the angle of the bike when leaned and the pedal in the 6 o’clock position touching the ground and you can lean the bike between 20 to 25° depending on the pedal position when the crank is at 6 o’clock. I also just took it for a spin in the grass and tried to lean as much as possible in PS1 to make the tightest turn while pedaling and the pedals never hit the ground. I think unless you were leaning this over going very fast and cornering like on a crotch rocket I don’t think you would have a problem. That’s a good question and I may add this to my list of topics for a future video. Thanks Sonny
I had this same question too: is there a danger of pedal/foot/toes hitting ground on the inside of turn (please be careful! Trying to demonstrate this can be result in painful/costly if not fatal catastrophe!). I'm guessing/hoping that the amp hour (AH) rating of the battery is the same? (I think you said the original was 10.4 AH?) (Since both bikes are 48 volts (thirteen (13) 3.7 volt LG batteries in series), the 10.4 AH is very likely created by arranging 4 cells in parallel, and I assume each cell has a 2.6AH capacity. So I guess 13s4p (13 series and 4 parallel) 52 total cells in the pack for both bikes?
I think I'm gonna give my Step-Thru to my mom & order the XP😛 I don't like how low the pedals are, I feel like I'm gonna hit my toes & have them pulled back under the pedals, so I have to pedal carefully🤔 which I don't like having to have my mind on my foot placement while trying to enjoy the ride.
Haha… same! 🤣 also when going thru sidewalks in/out, corners, rough and/or uneven terrain or mild off-roading, with the step-thru I’d be always worried, which would destroy the enjoyment overall especially since we cannot compared them just by watching a video even as good as this, impossible to judge to one’s liking without riding them both 🥴
Top notch video sir. They could have done a few things differently but over all it looks like a winner! A 899$ it is an absolute bargain. Looking forward to that drag race!
Glad you pointed out the battery difference. That's going to change lots of minds I think on buying one of each. I hope they come out with an adapter or something like you said.
I don’t think an adapter would work now because the frame would’ve had to been designed differently so that the original battery would go up in further and then have an adapter. Like I said not even sure if this could have been done.
What a disappointment that they didn't design the step-thru & regular batteries to be compatible! Seems like it is totally do-able. Was that only for a profit motive? (I'll bet all owners that bought extra batteries are pissed!)
No I don’t believe it was for profit I honestly they had to have the frame at that angle for it that actually fold correct. On a good note at least the batteries are only $300 versus some other brands that are $5 to $550!
To be honest I think they had to do it that way to make it fold correctly I don’t think it was a money motive. If that’s the case they would’ve just raised the price of the bikes but they were able to keep the cost low. On a good note at least the batteries are $300 and not $550 like some other brands!
Great presentation, recently I got my bike with multiple problems. One main concern the frame latch opens up when riding the bike; a serious safety issue. Made adjustments as directed by Lectric but the latch continues to open (fully) while riding. If you're buying a bike from them make sure they correct that problem. Personally I would walk away from this bike and seek something more safe even if it cost more. Sorry Jeremiah to mention this on your channel but I think buyers should be aware of that issue. Peace brother.
Don’t be sorry for mentioning anything on my channel if it’s a problem that should be addressed and known. With that being said both latches do work excellent on my bike and stay latched with the locks. I did check them once I heard of the issue on the Facebook forum but everything seems fine. I did have to adjust the one slightly on the step through to tighten it up a little but the locking mechanisms work perfect.
@@JeremiahMcintosh The new frame latch has a spring button safety lock. Again, it's just something to mentioned to Lectric to check out before buying it. Overall have fun with it and be safe in this pandemic.
Can you tell me the distance from the bottom of the pedals to the ground on both models? Looks like you were pretty close to hitting your shoe off the ground while pedaling the step through. I’d like to compare those measurements to my current bike. I like the fact that you feel the step through has a lower center of gravity. Great video! Thanks!
I'd like to know the distance from the bottom of the pedal to the ground also! Also the pedal length, from the centerline of the crank to the center line of the pedal screw. My current folding bicycle with 20 inch tires has short pedals (6 inches), so I dislike riding it. My other bicycles with 26 inch tires have pedal lengths about 6.75 inches....Much better!
thx 4 the explanation about these two bikes. I have the normal one and ordered my wife the step-thru one. its been almost a month and haven't received the bike yet.
Jeremiah, very informative review. I noticed the derailer is flat out from the bike where you attached the drop-down panniers. My Lectric XP, once unboxed, had dents on each side of the front fork and the derailer is flat against the bike (and it will not budge). I am afraid to try it out if this might affect performance or be a safety hazard. Also, the battery will not come out of the case even though the holding button is all the way in. Can you tell if they shipped me a "dud" or if these issues are not safety issues. I never heard back from Levi when addressing the dents upon arrival. I would appreciate your input. I noticed you pulled a derailer out and made it look so easy. Thank you for the honest review.
If it’s a safety concern I would wait to hear back from them. Did you remove the rubber plug when trying to remove the battery? Send them photos in an email then call customer service.
@@JeremiahMcintosh Jeremiah, I was able to get the battery out; now with battery out and seat post out the bike is significantly lighter, as I had hoped, for me to lift for transport. As you suggested, I am going to inquire directly with customer service with picture before riding to see if safety might be compromised with the derailer. Thank you for your quick response. Truly appreciate your reviews.
I watched a video yesterday with the original XP, fixing a flat on the back tire and the owner had a very difficult time...actually needed help putting the wheel back on because if the way it was designed,with just the on long curving arms on both sides pinching in. The step-thru is a more traditional frame on the back end, and I can tell just by looking at it, that you will not have that same problem.
Jeremiah thank you so much for doing all these videos on the Lectric Step-Thru. How many inches of ground clearance is there with the lower pedals? I want to be able to go a little bit off-road occasionally. My daughter-in-law has the regular XP and I love riding it. But at 65 I'm thinking the Step-Thru might be a better option down the road.
Thank you for the comparison.. I use a repurposed patio umbrella stand w/a closet pole in the stand to support the bike for service. No need to turn the bike upside down or use a flimsy stand. With the seat still in place, I just lift the bike and place the bottom of the seat post tube over the closet pole and lower down. That won't be happening w/the step-through and since I perform my own service/mod work, may complicate the decision to purchase the step-through for my 5'-11" 'honey-bunny'..
The video was great , learned a lot! I have a 4 month old original XP, tommorow, I'm ordering a step-thru. At 5-7 tall and in my 70's the step-thru will solve the mounting problem I have. The original XP will sale for close to the original price, because the XP was and is such a good deal. Thanks for your help 🚴
Thanks for the videos, keep them coming and please show the cargo box, and looking to add the Omni track MTX track to the rack so that I can use the MTX
Thanks for the video. I only wished you did a turning test on the ST to see how much slant is allowed before the pedals hit the pavement. I know you mentioned to have the pedal high on the side of the turn. But, during an emergency situation, you may not have time to adjust. I also heard the crank on the ST is slightly back compared to the standard. How does this impact the pedaling and ride?
Great video and thanks for giving such great details. I just ordered the step threw using your link. I hope you get something from it. I hope to be getting that rack bag as well.
Thanks Ed I’m glad you appreciated it. Apparently some people didn’t and said it was a waste of their time and I should just get to the point. So thank I appreciate that!
Jeremiah Mcintosh you’re welcome. Your style is your style, lol, that’s why there’s different breakfast cereals, automobiles, electric bikes...😎👊😁. Don’t sweat criticism; you’re out here doing something. When they get their channel going, they can tell us all about how to do it. 😁
Thanks for the comparison: now I'm actually leaning towards the Step-Thru... I'm 6'4" and I like to have the seat at a height that I can just put my foot on the ground (or at least the front of my foot heel up a bit), so that I don't need to get off the saddle when I stop... seems to me that the 2 extra inches of the pedals will be beneficial for riding/pedaling comfort on the Step-Thru...
Not really. There is 2” less on the pedal clearance and I don’t think it is a problem but it might be for some people depending on your style of riding. Have you seen my size comparison video on the original xp? If not definitely watch that first. I think you will be happy with either bike.
Again, great video. But still another question. Demonstrate putting battery in and removing it. Doesn't the angle make it harder? This can be tricky, with the weight of bike.
I’m undecided on which one to get. I’m 5’10 225lbs and would use this to get around sometimes off road. Mostly going over grass if need be. I’m afraid of the pedal catching the sidewalk on turns. Not fun.
Great content and good info on the comparison details; couldn't come to us at a better time when I'm contemplating getting a step-thru (already have and original XP for close to a year). I think that a complete video could have also compare the bikes side-by-side in the folded position. Can you reply with comments on this? Do they occupy the same space in height, or is the S-T lower/shorter? Another question: where did you get the non-ergonomic grips on the XP? Thank you!
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I have to rethink getting eBikes for my wife and myself. We have two bike shops in our town. Both sell and service ebikes. One sells Specialized and Giant and the other sells Trek and Electra. All of those cost more than I'm willing to spend. So the only options are to buy online and to get a Lectric XP or other similar brand. The problem is, neither bike shop I contacted will service or repair ebikes that they don't sell. I am not a young man anymore so doing the work myself would be very difficult at best. I think I should just give up on the idea of getting eBikes unless someone has a better idea.
I would look around and try to find a bike shop that will work on the XP and if not it is their loss in my opinion for not wanting to make that money. Once you find a bike shop that’s willing to work on it I would stick with that one even if you decided to buy another bike I would buy from the shop that would work on any of them.
Having lived in Japan were virtually all bikes are step through, I’ll say I was surprised how much I liked them and I’m a 6’4” guy. The step through is way more convenient for its intended use. It’s what I would buy.
This was a helpful comparison. I have an XP on order and might be getting a second bike for my wife. This will be helpful in deciding to get her the original or step through. Thanks.
Jeremy, thank you for another great video. With the handle bar on the Step Thru being a couple of inches higher than the regular XP while the seat is at the same lowest height, does it actually make the Step Thru easier or harder to ride than the XP for a shorter person, say 5'.tall?
Hi Jeremiah. Love your videos. Can you answer this question. I heard changing the rear tire on the classic XP can be very difficult, costly and time consuming. In fact the rear forks have to be “spread out” (mechanically) to get the rim to drop out, and there are some “tricky little parts” to deal with. Is this true for the step through model as well? It seems that the frame design (in the rear) on the step through model is a more traditional (triangle) shape, and the rear tire would be easier to mount and dismount. This will be a huge issue for me in deciding between the XP or the step through model. I like the XP's sporty look, but tire problems i do not need! Thanks in advance!
I have not changed the rear wheel on the step through yet so I can’t verify how hard or easy that would be but I have taken my wheel off the original XP twice without any issues. I’ve heard that the newer bikes are easier than the very first bikes they produced but I can’t be 100% sure. With that being said if you watch my other videos where I changed my freewheel and fixed my speedometer issue you will see that I took the wheel off and reinstalled it twice without any spreader bars just by pulling apart the frame slightly by hand.
I’m gonna say no for the step-thru. RU-vid “Lectric 2.0 step thru upgrade cassette” that’s the rear sprockets to get a lower climbing gear for pedaling. It involves removing the rear wheel to switch out the cassette, you do have to keep some hub spacers in place while you manuever the wheel into position between the rear “forks” as you slip the brake disk between the pads, but there was definitely no spreading the rear “forks” or whatever they’re called.
Hi there! Just ordered the bike and wanted to know the allen wrench in the description would be the tool I need to tighten the bolts when I get the bike? also, is that kryptonite chain long enough for most places you lock up your bike? I saw there was a longer version of it so I'm not sure which one to get
I don’t know of one that is plug and play but I use a rechargeable light when it gets dark. I preferred to keep this light drawing less power so that I can leave it on during the day as well but not use a lot of power.
Tyson I also thank you for that tidbit. I bought an after market headlight, but I would have to cut wires to wire it in and I wasn’t up to that. My wife has the Rad Power bike and the headlight is quite nice. Knowing that I can plug and ply that light on my Lectric is awesome (I hope she doesn’t miss it)... . Guess I’ll need to order one...
Great job Jeremiah! Have you tried to haul it the Overdrive K2 bike rack yet? Will the tie down hook reach the lower downtube on the Step- Thru. Keep the videos coming , I bought ours after watching your videos.
I bought my Lectric XP in January 2020 to get rid of excess weight. I ended up losing 77 pounds, and my legs are like tree trunks. I have 2 batteries and have travelled 65 miles round trip. I currently have 2400 miles on my ebike. Life is great... or, was great. Last week, at 2400 miles, the bike broke down electronically. Left me stranded, twice. Had to walk home several miles. Lectric company says it’s still under warranty, but will take a long time to get the part needed to fix. Coming from China and from I got from the tech, this prob is happening to thousands of Lectric bikes. So, I stop riding for how long? A month, maybe2 or 3.... I don’t think so. I am going to buy another bike from another brand cuz this one is no longer reliable. It’s just taking up space in my bike barn. The unfortunate part is I just finished building my solar bike barn so my bike is propelled by sun and keto... I hope Lectric realizes that my warranty is on pause until it is fixed. They can’t take a month or several months and expect the warranty to keep running. So, if u want this bike, I totally recommend it. Just have secondary transportation and Uber on stand by. P.s. no public transportation where I live. ur on ur own here
Great video. Good comparison. Will the 2 suspension seat posts that you have in your shopping list work on the step through? I know you said all of your accessories would work but wasn’t sure if that included the seat posts.
Hi , Great info. My friend bought the XP like yours, I just had a Total hip replacement and found it difficult to get my leg over , so I ordered the XP Step thru. I also like your idea for the black containers. Thanks
Great video. I have some questions for the xp 3.0 classic and step thru. I understand the batteries are not interchangeable, but are the battery chargers that came with these bikes the exact same? If they are the exact same then you could use either charger to charge either bike which would be good. And can you charge the batteries without taking them out of the bikes? And can that be done while the bikes are folded too, or would you have to take the battery out if it is folded to charge it?
Yes the chargers are the same and you can charge them in or out of the bike folded or not. There is a hole in the frame where the battery charge port is so it would be the same charging in or out of the bike.
Always really enjoy your video's. Like that additional headlight that you have on your Black XP. I ordered a Black XP, it is supposed to arrive on Thursday. Its gonna be fun!!
Well!! I thought it was too quick a delivery, it is now tues 27th pm date.. still is pretty quick though. surprised the heck out of me. The rr5 that I had to send back took 6 or 7 weeks. Oh well!!
Very informative video as usual. Btw, what is the height of the bottom bracket (from the ground) with stock tires inflated to 20 psi (and zero weight on the seat) for step-thru and original XP?
JEREMIAH -Would love to see a video to demo a mini ramp used to roll the bike onto the bike carrier. Many of us that have purchased this bike and the Bike Carrier you recommended cannot lift 60 pounds onto a rack - therefore the need for the mini-ramp. Thank you.
I normally hold the back brake pull up on the front and put the front wheel in first and then lift the back that way you’re only lifting one wheel at a time.
Would you buy the XP or the step through right now if you could only have one? Im 5’11 180 lbs. im really debating between the two. My wife just ordered the step through, so if i get a step through we will have the same battery, but i kind of the the frame geometry of the original. HELP! Any suggestions?
Hello Sir, Thanks for the video. I want to purchase this bike for the 12yr son but he is only 4’9, do you think this will be fine and if so which version would be best for him? The regular xp or the step through?
Great content! So which of the 2 cloud 9 seats you have on your list do you like the best? How do I know I’m buying something on Amazon under your list, so that you get the “credit”? Thx!
They are both pretty much the same but the Lycra top one is like a spandex material on top. As long as you use my link to get to amazon I will make a small commission on the entire order on that session. Thank you for your support!
Can you tell me if the power feels the same between the bikes, the reason I'm asking is because I bought my XP in January and bought my wife's XP in June, and when we are in pas2, the bike that I bought in January pulls stronger and goes faster than the one we bought in June ,and mine is pretty much faster than hers in the rest of the pas modes , except for pas5 she can do 30 miles an hour if she peddles hard enough, so I was just wondering if you noticed any difference at all in the power? excellent video by the way!
I haven’t noticed a difference in power but speed wise my original XP that I bought last September it’s like yours and a little faster in all PAS modes. I wish there was a way I could turn mine down to the same speed as hers so that we could ride side-by-side easier. I think they turned the new bikes down a little bit but they still all maxed out in the higher PAS levels at the same speed I believe. I have to do a little more testing in the high PAS modes but so far in PAS 5 top speed is the same.
@@JeremiahMcintosh thanks Jeremy that's exactly what I wanted to know ,because when my wife and I are riding together and I'm in pas2 I keep leaving her behind she has to put hers in 3 to catch up to me and then she has to slow down it's kind of aggravating, thanks for getting back with me
Good morning Jeremiah and happy New Year to you and your family. I have subscribed to your channel and viewed many videos you are definitely a person who has convinced me to get the Lelectric bikes. I will be ordering 2 XP step through and wanted to get my accessories ready for when the bike arrives. First thing I want to purchase is the cloud nine seat which of course is not available but added it to my wish list like you said. For the suspension post the 2 links below have three posts and two are unavailable. The Ganopper is available but I only see the 31.6 with 350mm not 400. Can you help thank you Cindy
Good stuff - thanks! Just ordered a Step-Thru.... PS: Looks like the Step-Thru is just a tad longer and maybe folds slightly more compactly. I'm sure it's minimal, if at all. Let us know...
Received my XP in July. My tires are a different brand. ChadYang Dino Skin . Gray and red lettering not the white like yours..looks nice though. By the way it does have the extra retaining clip on both sides of the rear axle
Nice job as always. Have you ever considered the front fork suspension upgrade? I’ve seen two others do this but they lack the quality/ style of your content. If not, that is fine just a question of curiosity.
I have thought about it but to be honest where I ride the fat tires are more than enough for me and I didn’t want to add any extra weight to it if there was any. I also did not want to pay the cost of the upgrade.
@@JeremiahMcintosh Forks were $124 delivered from China. Folding stem was $25 (Amazon). Headset was $11 from Hong Kong (Ebay). Note they do raise the front and there is no mount for the fender at the wheel spindle - I made two mounting plates that replace the spindle washers.
I like the profile of the step through bike more for some reason, but wondering if the lower pedals would create a problem with feet or pedals making contact with the ground or over speed bumps.
With the pedals being 2” lower there is more of a chance of them hitting something so I guess it all depends on where you plan on riding. For me I haven’t had any problems with them being lower.
It really Depends on how well you take care of the battery and how you charge it. There are certain tips that you can follow to extend the life of your battery such as when it’s in long-term storage to store it at 50% and when using try to keep it charged no less than 20 and up to 80%. but I believe it’s rated for at least 800 charge cycles regardless.
