One thing I noticed in sparring is (orthodox) I throw the right hook but slightly out of range to miss on purpose and use that momentum to turn over the hip into a kick. The kick usually doesnt get checked when I do that almost always lands they are distracted by the motion and draws the hand close to the head. I am a beginner so idk if this is good just something I noticed
That's a good concept man, selectively throwing away some punches (dont use full energy for throwaway punches) to set up for hidden strikes behind them
I did a similar thing with head kicks, I'm not that flexible but my body is weird I guess, can throw a headkick easily. Straight right hand, telegraph it a little, go a little left with it then continue with a high kick. It won't be the hardest high kick but since I'm above average weight it still has power behind it. Recommend trying it out
If you're defending yourself in a street fight, never overlook the effectiveness of a groin kick. Here's another combo for you, from the art I study. The attacker throws a left; you parry it with your left hand while taking a forward step to your right; now downward side kick to the knee. For added damage, you make the parry a strike to their forearm, but that takes more time and want this to be fast. From here, you can move behind them and they go nappy nap. (Note: This is VERY much a scale-to-force technique.)
depending on who you are, average joe 1 leg kick , amateur mma fighter 3-4, ufc fighter 7-8 kicks until its past muscle damage and it starts to attack the nerve once it’s on the nerve your body cannot handle it and the nerve temporarily shuts down causing you to drop
Good presentation. However, I do note tha t, like most practitioners, you are only utilizing the swinging shin kicks for striking rather than the more biomechanical effective half-spin thrusting toe or heel kick. As a 5'3" bantamweight, from a range of 4 feet to target, I have set dudes the size of either of you asprall on their backsides from a solid blow midship that'll crack ribs. Either of you would be devastating with this type of kick.
Someone that has never trained, a leg kick is devastating. I remember when I first started training, and guy just beamed me, said "That was 50%" I couldn't move.
I can relate ,I remember my coach telling me we’re warming up,,and I could barely stand ..fortunately for us a lot of people only train boxing and they have no idea how to kick
I remember when I first started training mma and what it was like to get kicked by someone who knew what they were doing. My legs almost flew out from under me and I would spin about 90 degrees. And that was getting kicked by someone who was about 50 pounds lighter than me. Now I have a mean leg kick, and I just don't think a person fighting in the streets will have a good enough base to stay standing after being kicked in the leg. And whether they do or not, I always throw multiple strikes. I typically dish out the three piece and a biscuit haha
If I had to choose, the number one thing that surprised me the most when I first started kickboxing was how much damage a leg kick can do. If you've never trained you really don't consider it, because a head kick or a lead hook knockout looks a lot more flashy, but if you get leg-kicked by someone who knows what they're doing and you're untrained, chances are you won't stay upright, either from loss of stability or simply due to pain.
Many teachers in many styles teach you to "bring your leg to the opponent" and call it kick. But a KICK is much different. I saw so many Martial Artists who just "bring the leg to the opponent" but just after i study Original Muay Thai i know what kicking is about. The different is: "kick A" means = to touch the target and gives pain to the opponent, and KICK B means to destroy the target and the opponent. Of course the second one needs much more training and great technique. Thats why its rare to see real kicking. Same as punching. Punching is not fast hand moving like to fight against a wasp, punching is like Mike Tyson.
@@adaptiveagile I agree with your top 4 sucky things in order of crappiness, but I have to add LEG LOCKS. Heelhooks freak me the fuck out not because they hurt but precisely because it´s hard to tell how hard your leg is getting cranked and if you can get out or not, not to mention spinning the wrong way by accident and torqueing your knee, that fucking SUCKS
Saw a video two russians drunk and fighting. One starts badly losing and gets nocked to his knees. Instantly grabs the guys junk. The guy is in such pain all he does is try and get him off, cant even punch him, just screaming and prying at his hands, it goes on like this for over a minute until somone breaks it up. Junk grab js terrifying.
Ridiculous how much this video mirrors my experience perfectly, I was in a fight once and I kept one hand in his face to keep him off balance/ move him around and I hit him two times in the same spot with a low kick, then as his leg gave up he was open for a body kick. As soon as he fell to the ground a cop came out of a car and grabbed me by my arm, I dashed it and never got caught
I've only thrown leg kicks in twice outside of gym sparring. Both times were just fights at school but I noticed both guys tried to throw a sloppy ass leg kick back my way. Remember that. If you kick someone, they probably gonna try and throw one back, at least an untrained guy
Why on Earth would you kick with your shin when you are wearing hard soled shoes on the street? A Savate style toe kick with an even halfway decent shoe will cause much more damage than any shin kick ever can. I walk around with normal Bronx brand lace up shoes and the tips are hard as hell. You can soccer kick brick walls with full force and not feel a thing. If a Savate guy kicked you right in the knee or inside leg with that shoe it's done. Those things crack bones. A steel tipped work boot will kill you no jokes.
I also train like this, leg kick should follow after some punchs (sometime just for measure the distance and messing him up). My favorite combo is front kick to close the gap, follow with some punchs to distract then a leg kick.
Thats a good angle. After seeing multiple shins split apart from checked leg-kicks I would never use a rear-leg kick to probe. As I said above I like to use a lead leg teep to the body defensively. Or leg/knee to probe and cover the distance, then enter with jab to body, or double-jab to head then start a boxing combo the slam the leg with that swing-kick! I would use the teep in the street, but thats all as far as kicks go. In the street im going jab, plum, knee to balls, headbutt. Unless the guy is super-tall the im going jab, double-leg, knee-ride. I can fist-pump him from there or stand up and stomp on him, or just run away. Knee on belly is the ground control for the street because you can disengage from it.
That's a great strategy..But I'd prefer doing the leg kick in a Muay Thai way with the hands covering his face of course rather than the kickboxing way wherein it'd hardly take 2 or 3 to make the guy quit.
Im surprised, not one kick off front leg. I have a powerful kick off front leg that i do. In my fighting stance, i sidestep with back foot to the right to gain momentum and strike with front left leg, its fast, hard, and im in position to hit with back leg to finish him off. Kicking with back leg first is alot slower and opens you up, and look, theyre off balance, i know its because youre pulling the kick, but, an experienced fighter knocks you down and out before thats launched. Try the what i call parry kick. Wish i could add footage
Good video. They are hard to counter and doable if you have that range. IMO they just don't deliver enough decisive impact to the 10 second street attack (they are an accumulative weapon) to spend the vital time perfecting them when there are higher probability lower risk tools in the box to focus on.
Dude go watch my video on the wing kick that's exactly how I feel for the most part. A full on for real fight to the death? Gotta stop it now... not score points for 9 minutes.
Love it, I've always preferred the post as I like to use the long guard as much as possible due to being able the both defend and attack quite nicely from it. I also teach it to beginners because if the hand touches the opponent, it usually means the distancing is set up for the shin to land nicely on the opponent, as opposed to the foot or that weird choked up kick you see beginners do. I also like low kicks because they make people flinchy, as you rightfully pointed out - a hard leg kick gets reactions and they're fairly easy to land after a couple months of muay Thai. I'm sure your students can throw them very well :)
and remember to kinda jump/skip foward throwing your body momentum and weight into the leg kick. you can even go at a downward slanted angle like an axe for more power. helpful video for those who do muay thai. defintily works. i would know 😂
Stop kicking the thigh. Kick the knee joint and sink your weight into it so you destroy the joint and close to grappling range (or take him down and run away).
In response to comments: To say leg kicks don’t work is dismissive. It depends on how u kick the leg. U can cripple them if it’s done right, and if he can’t stand he’s gonna have a hard time coming after u
Leg kicks are probably the best way to end a street fight with an untrained opponent, one hard leg kick should be enough to send a message of pain, and if cops get involved, you're in a better situation than if you punch his face in
My buddy Frank Oller told me about an incident he witnessed in a diner in Southern Cal. ,1980's. He said a monstrously huge guy challenged, get this, Benny Urquidez to fight. He wasn't nice about. They all went outside, and Benny said something about "chopping down a tree" and leg kicked the big guy until he went down, unable to stand and face Mr. Urquidez, who went back in and finished his meal.
So many people try to say leg kicks don’t work on the street, and its bullsh*t. If punching works, kicking works. Kicks are farther range, harder to injure yourself, hurts more than a punch, makes it so they cant keep walking towards you AND its unexpected most people expect you to throw hands not shins. As long as you know how to kick and the terrain is good, go for it. Its my go to.
???Question for you??? If your lead arm bridges / connects with the person’s arm/head (while you kick), can an opponent leaning forward (to grab that leg) knock you off balance? Maybe it is just me as I am a slow fart 💨.
Well yea you can make it work really well, but the time you fuck up is gonna suck for sure. I can tell you that my young flying helicopter ninja legs didnt stop me from slipping on loose ground debris one time and that it really sucked bad that time.
@@deafanddestructiononthepis3149From personal experience, don't kick in a streetfight if you're on loose ground debris. Like any smart person would do *
@@michaelhendricks5449 It's not to break the knee, but destabilise their base. That said, stomp kicks are pretty heavy hits, and though nothing might outright break, you can still cause damage.
I think stomb kicks are more useful I take some techniques of savate and karate of Okinawa,the focus is not the foot but the ankle and joint,knee, there's a kick that I learn you just give a strong stomb kick on the side of the joint leg,you step a side and just kick it,we can break some woods and object,so I think it generate strength enough to cause damage on the leg,being honest this especific kick can damage the leg on point of the agressor not stay standing. But generally I use other low stomb kicks to create intense pain on the legs and because is more safe then you use your ankle to kick specially on the street if you break your leg like Silva on the middle of street is not fun. I also use the oblique kick of J.Jones.
I used similar sweeps a lot as a bouncer, rather than kicks, on people that were squaring off to box me. Try not to damage the customers. I also put a posting hand on their near arm a lot. It helped with ranging, trapping that arm, and feeling them starting to move. I usually used my lead leg on their lead leg though.
I’ve been doing different martial arts my whole life, and I’ve only ever been in three street fights. They’re so different than being in a ring, all of the guys I fought looked like they never even punched at the air before, and would just run at me flailing their arms like noodles. I don’t think in those fights I ever even through a punch, one solid leg kick right to center thigh drops them every time.
I just came across this. In a street fight, you could be wearing shoes. My Korean Master, a Korean Army captain ( Paratroopers) who is a 7th Dan Taekwondo and 7 th Dan in Hapkido, taught me leg checks. Just by watching how an opponent stands you can guess which leg he will throw at you. Meet his kicking by side kicking his leg or check his kick at the thigh. This technique is illegal in competition because it can break the opponent’s legs. But it’s perfectly OK and good to use on the streets.
it actually works it just depends on his posture normally people dont have a good posture so they ll just automatically spin or fall xd I've done it a few times but with a muay thai low kick the difference between them is that the kickboxing leg kick is a turn on your front foot but with a muay thai technique it goes with a tiny step to aside which generates more power in the kick kinda like how Jose Aldo does it
@@mattthompson4868 Well kind of, I have a pretty fast snap kick which is what I mostly use on the ribs and which is pretty hard to catch, only been caught a few times and even when I did all but the first few times I could get free without giving the other guy an advantage and since I'm a heavy weight even my snap kicks pack pretty good of a punch
I would like to say scenarios vary and the most common is the aggressor trying to blind side full force aggression with wild haymakers, for about maybe 30 seconds because that's practically all the untrained/unfit morons have in the tank. But I do have a question. Is it possible that yanking your arm vertically for more power is a missconception? I used to throw it exactly the way Cliff does it but then I let go of using Roundhouse kicks and started using straight line kicks to the body & knees being I have shoes/boots on. However I recently started practicing them again and instead of pulling down I start with my elbow or hand pointing 9:00 and pull with my elbow horizontally to arm out to 3:00 and vise versa for the lead leg. My question is can you get the same power pulling as hard with your elbow/back blade?
I need a video to be sure but I think you mean swinging the hand but in a horizontal line? That's good too and I think offers some protection, some balance, and some power. Cliff can get away with swinging his hand so low usually because he is a very high level kickboxer and has a good understanding of timing and range.
0:36 kick the hand crosses behind his butt. I have discovered that where you kick & cross my hand behind my butt like I just farted & that move,it strengthens my kick plus a friend of mine who knows kickboxing observed for himself that THAT works.
Damn how do I put it. I like you but those kicks are clearly from a kickboxer who tries to "kinda get along" on the street. You waste much reach. You are on the streets, you wear shoes, hit with those, its safer than hitting with your bones, done right it hurts more and it gives more reach. If you can reach for him with a hand you already made a massive mistake letting him so close when you wanted to initially kick him. A lowkick is not "wearing out" anyone. If its properly done one shot basically ends the fight. If you would ever spar with your partner, due to his reach, every fight should end the same. With you being fed up being kicked to oblivion within 10 seconds unless you focus on keeping the distance, basically running away in a controlled manner.
I think that leg kicks would be great, simply from the fact that even relatively soft kicks still hurt like hell. Getting kicked in the leg really, really sucks. I don't anyone will want to continue fighting after getting 3 "warning shot" kicks sunk into his thigh/calf.
For anyone doubting the viability of leg kicks in a street fight type of situation: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hnOqyGNQfQc.html First dude kept backing up after tasting what looked like a relatively light one and ended up not wanting anymore. Second opponent -- who has a noticeable size advantage -- gets his legs kicked right the fuck out from under him with the first strike. Had the (presumably) trained guy had seriously bad intentions, he could have stomped on him or something at that point. Instead, he lets him get back up and ends the fight with a double leg.
I think these are really good for the average person cause unless you're an expert kickboxer like your friend then you won't stop someone with a leg kick, even though someone who isn't trained is gonna be really fucking hurt from it you have to be pretty experienced to kick them hard enough to cause a limp. Speaking of which my friend is a fighter in k1 and as someone who is nowhere near an expert his leg licks fucking drop me. What was I saying? Anyway good tips Mike. Can we get a video about your opinion on the Thai clinch in a Street fight or self defence situation? Would love to hear your thoughts on it
before I go on say my piece, every martial arts practitioner has his/her own ways to defend and teach self defense... leg kicks are risky. Why because if you are close enough to hit him, then your adversary is also close enough to hit you. And hey, this self defense technique looks great and effective, but why not end the confrontational or physical confrontational right then and there? Why not block your attacker's vision and hit him low in the groin? Why hit him in the temple where is hard to counter or block, rather then this self defense from the video?
Ive never seen personally a leg kick work, i know they have. Posting is just a great idea , it almost garauntees you will land a punch , the guy cant see shit or yank his hands down. On the rare occasion i was a dumbass and went out side to fight, once again footwear, head kicks are usually a bad idea , but depending on circumstances, its either over , well I usually had on boots so it was just over. Once i fired like a warning and where you did the whoa back off thing, exactly what happened, it not only made the guy say fuck that but everyone else too. Now these were fights were everyone knows everyone , not getting jumped.
I've used leg kicks in street fights plenty... this was before I learnt how to kick properly though. Since I learned how to fight I have had so few street fights it's laughable. Some people won't even try move out of the way because they expect hands not legs.
What if the opponent is a wrestler?Than that mean that we will get killed if we throw kicks,never throw a kick in a street fight,if you are pro you can throw kicks,you can ko a guy with a kick,but if you are a beginner and your opponent is a wrestler,the wrestler will grab your leg and he will put you down,its better to throw punches and keep distance!
Why not to a Sparta kick on the other guys back leg and try to break the knee joint? Or shin rake? Or foot stomp? Or step to the left and a side kick to the front knee?
The very best technique for street fighting is to grab their balls and just hang on. Even if they keep hitting you. Eventually they will give up and be in a whole universe of pain.
Doing a roundhouse leg kick is a good way to injure yourself. Then you lose. I just turn my knee into the kick. I have seen people break there shin bone from throwing a roundhouse leg kick. When the shin or ankle hits the knee the knee doesn't get hurt !! A sidekick or a front kick are a lot safer. But throwing any kind of kick is not the best on the street!
you know i learnt how to leg kick by default i came from a strong boxing background and always wanted to do muay thai fast forward i go to a gym and start training and sparring and one guy is a complete asshole body kicked me hard all the time knowing i had poor checking defence coming from boxing the coach said don't be so heavy on your lead leg you get it wiped out so i took that and used it on him every time he would press forward id blast his lead leg as it came down with a right kick and i found out quick people pull up right quick when you give them a good leg kick and if you expand on it it allows you to control the pace slow them down and let you pick shots
This is terrible advice. He talks about not having enough time then just does the exact same kick but with less speed and in an unstable position because of the hand placement
Good stuff! I've done this live... street fight and sport fight. It has a high rate of success against guys that are good at checking or catching a kick. I usually throw a one-two "trash" in the face followed by a rear leg on the half beat... Progressive and direct attack, as Bruce Lee would call it.
If youre doing that in a street fight that may not be such a good idea as wrestling is one of the most popular martial arts and hes going to post your post and your leg is going to be in front of you so you gave him the single leg
I'm glad you did this video. In my opinion, This is what is lacking in many dojos and mma gyms and that is the focus on real life or street application. I trained that way for several years and now that I've moved I'm missing that important aspect in martia arts training. It takes experience and the right understanding to be able to think in terms of the specific context in which the interaction is happening within. Good video!
Great stuff! may I add that just above the knee is a major pressure point on the nerve...?..say thanks to Cliff for not destroying your sorry ass in this nice demo...hehehehe:) is good to be ,,The Gift,,
It is very difficult if not impossible to throw a hard right followed up by a hard right low kick WITHOUT a pause (use of time in between) This is because your body is forward already after the right hand and the rear leg needs the body back again. It is, however, possible to throw a post/faint/right hand distraction followed by a hard right low kick. It is however very possible to throw a hard rick kick followed by a hard right such as chaining the low kick into a superman style round house. This is the basics of how the body works and the rhythm of kickboxing. There is no escaping it. This is why most basic kickboxing combos are. 1-2-3 right kick, 1-right kick, 1-2 left kick, and 1-2-PAUSE-right kick, or 1-faint 2- right kick or 1-right kick- PAUSE- 2, or 1-right kick-supermaned 2.
Excellent use of combos to slip in the leg kick. We always called that move " the fat man " move. Due to its trickery ... it can throw a fat guy clear off his feet just from confusion 😂🤣
I like sparring people who've never done this and they try to counter with the punch and their little hands dont move and they just make a frustrated grunt noise.
Dig it, checking that hand works great in all kinds of scenarios. A few things I personally like are A) If you've got the distance and know how to throw it well a lowline sidekick can fuck someones leg a whole lot faster than a round kick. Especially if you've got a half decent shoe or boot on, now not good for every situation since you can blow someones knee out but not everyone throws that kick with that kind of power. B) Oblique Kick (Chasse Italien if we're talking Savate how I learned it), closer range, devastating power. If you really hip into it and drive that heel in, the leg is screwed plain and simple. C) Calf kicks, an untrained person can take a few decent shoots to the thigh (maybe) but even pros struggle with a hard kick to the calf and if anything it might just put them on their ass and let you scramble away.
Why do anything? I'm assuming you're thinking that there is something they could then do with the arm, like a counter. There is a counter for everything. Why use head movement when they might punch where you aren't expecting? And really because there's no real counter to it. None that anyone has ever done to anyone using this technique on a statistically reliable basis.
You're confused. Nobody is acting like they invented anything. Someone showed this to us. Somebody else showed this to them. Somebody ELSE showed it to that guy.
Wim Demeter wrote a whole book on the leg kick for self-defence. One of his ideas is a bouncer situation where someone in your face gets distracted looking your hands then goes down with a solid kick
Leg kick, followed by a foot stomp and a push as you do it works wonders for getting range and giving the guy time to decide if he really wants to do this.
This is called trapping. I’m sure you know this like most people. It’s heavily used in Wing Chun and JKD for striking. One of the few useful Wing Chun things.
Sure... But why use Muay Thai leg kicks in a street fight ? You even say so yourself “you don’t have time to wear the other guy down”. And the whole purpose of the leg kick is attrition warfare. Very seldom will a leg kick immediately disable the other guy. Now I’m not saying to never use leg kicks on the street, or that they don’t work (if you have a perfect opportunity, do it, it will hurt and it’s always good). But if you want to disable the guy fast, which is what you want on the street (as you said yourself), there are other kicks better suited to that purpose : a kick to the kneecap CAN (although it isn’t that easy) end the fight. A kick to the groin is quick, easy, doesn’t require power and hurts like hell. Yeah, that’s just my opinion.
If you can throw a solid leg kick chances are you will drop them with the first leg kick, and if you don’t then it will just make them limp so you can hit them with any punch you want
I heard that if you can confirm theres no hidden weapons, and its not a straight kick, its quite advantageous to move into the other person. Try kick someone with the thighs and see what damage you do. Sure you gonna push the guy around. There is indeed a lot of momentum and leverage but in terms of impact, not so much. But then you gotta fight with half limbs; knees and elbows, or with the forehead, etc
Great video dude. Always wondered about kicks in a street scenario (Remember Dr Zues for when you get mega famous so I can say I've been with you since under 1 k subs lol )
You don't want to kick above waist in a real situation in most cases. Funky footing or slipping and stunning yourself when someone wants to hurt you for real - is bad news. That is the reason for the old school karate kicks all being low - they were for real fighting not sport. I am not dissing head kicks just saying fighting a guy who throws a hay maker in a rainy parking lot after he says you stole his space - is a lot different than squaring up in a planned fight.
Have you had you shin kicked in? Have you ever kicked some ones shin in befor the kick lands? Thar kick takes time to travel an land. It can get intercepted by a strait kick.
I actually train this one specifically for the reasons you stated, but more on the non pussilaminous side of things. I use it as both a destructor of that leg and also a gain of position, coming down and landing on the blow. I take a bit of an angle step to get a side edge. Like you alluded to, if you did this to a normal person they would either be instantly defeated or deterred. Thanks for the video.
