"The Soul Reaver, Kain's ancient blade - older than any of us, and a thousand times more deadly. The legends claimed that the blade was possessed, and thrived by devouring the souls of its victims. For all our bravado, we knew what it meant when Kain drew the Soul Reaver in anger - it meant you were dead." One of the greatest weapons in all of fiction. You know when a sword is powerful when it has it's own soul. The Wraith Blades variations from Defiance were excellent. One can see how someone can be corrupted with such absolute power in his hand and yet Raziel prevailed, martyring himself and purging the corruption from Kain. I adore Raziel's character arc.
He had a great redemption arc as well. The guy kept succumbing to the wiles and machinations of anyone who could make Raziel lose his temper and then demonstrated that his revenge was not as important as doing the 'right' thing, in the end.
@@tywinders7628 I would gladly take one. Two stories I always take the time to watch discussions about till the end of time are Soul Reaver snd Berserk
@@Gat-Man55 IKR. I bet fans would make a much better job, then the writers we've had for the latest Star Wars movies. They're just pure cash grabs at this point.
Their entire storytelling sent shivers down my spine when I first heard it in English. The German dub is not too shabby, but loses much in translation.
Interesting how Raziel is constantly fucked over by his future self. The human is killed by the wraith which is immediately absorbed by the Reaver, so the wraith becomes the blade which will absorb the wraith that was previously the human that was killed by the previous wraith, etc etc etc. "So - this was my terrible destiny - to play out this purgatorial cycle for all eternity... I could not bear it - despair overwhelmed me"
I like to think that, when Kain introduced that last time paradox in SR2 by pulling the Reaver out of Raziel, he allowed Raziel to make peace with his destiny: rather than being forcefully sucked into the Reaver, he was able to choose when and why he became one with the blade, so at least his wraith-blade self is no longer deranged and desperate.
The returning Soul Fragments theory raises some interesting secondary questions, like does he also receive the dark gifts of his sons that Raziel had obtained? What if the reason he could finally see the Elder wasn't simply because of the purification but because he had gained Raziel's wraith sight?
I wish games these days could be made with the same level of care and quality without worrying about trying to appeal to everybody. I supposed the SoulsBorne games do a good job but of course the narrative experience in those games is quite different than here.
The moment in William's Tomb, when the Reaver restore the physical sword and the soul within awakens, has always made me wonder if the Reaver still had any of his former self awareness. How much of Raziel's "self" was lost in his imprisonment?
@glenngriffon8032 probably all of his sense of self. As Raziel spoke without a lower jaw, it stands to reason his wraith blade self would have been capable of communicating, if it had any sense of identity left. I think after an eternity in that cycle, all that was left of him was the hunger. However! After the purification, he might have been fully restored, but simply chose not to speak for whatever reason.
@@SolarinDay“Raziel! Psst, Raziel.“ „Who is there?“ „Down here, in your hand, it’s me, your blade.“ „Kain, is this your doing? Moebius? Whose trickery…?“ „Guess what!“ „What?“ „Spoilers!“
@@SolarinDayI had a thought for the next game that Kain would have Raziel’s voice coming from the blade and that they’d converse and thus we wouldn’t lose my favourite character. Kain is awesome, but Raziel is the best character in the series for me.
I was checking out the trailer I was like wow I dont have to emulate the old school ps1 version anymore . They added a fresh coat of paint over those old polygon models but man hopefully the controls to move and use the camera is alot easier this time around . Lets hope for blood omen and defiance remastered. I never thought it would happen since the comic got announced.
Vorador's and Raziel's exchange in Defiance still has me pondering what he and the oldest vampires knew of Raziel, ""And do these scraps explain why you would forge a weapon to imprison your saviour?" "Ahh well then it seems we have our answer! You've chosen your path" "I HAVE CHOSEN NOTHING! I have been decieved at every turn, You seem to know what I am TELL ME!" "I thought I did once but not all the proficy's have failed the Pillars are corrupted." this exchange always implyed to me that the first Vampire Guardians had plans upon plans upon plans to fix the world and somehow believed in Raziel enough to choose the right path.
It's possible that the original Time Guardian saw through the timelines into the future and knew that that the Vampire Savior would be Raziel and that he would have an important choice to make. As you say, the Ancient Vampires then planned accordingly, creating the murals across the land to enlighten Raziel and forge his path. By the time Raziel consumes the Vampire Guardians' souls, they're clearly deranged at this point and fixated on their god's wheel.
my Q tho ish WTH version of razeil was in the reaver b4 kain shatterd it upon him? cuz if the version we pway as ish the "quote" OG razeil ten how dids tere be 1 of him alrdy in the reaver 🤔....unless its the 1 fwom timeline 1 or w.e were after razeil killd his former self the reaver consumed him bc in tat timeline kain wasnt tere tuu intervein 🤔
@@strictlyfantasythe deranged minds of the vampire guardian liches are stuck in the mistakes they made in life. Spectres with unfinished business, the great unsolved plight of the vampires. They don't recognize Raziel as worthy, as the savior they've been waiting for. Because they expected the intact version, the guy Janos was expecting.
@@strictlyfantasy I could also see how these plans had to be formulated even before the pillars were created. Which makes me ponder more about the Soul Reaver itself. As Janus puts it, "The pillars are the lock, and the Reaver is the key." What if the pillars were not meant to last forever, but to simply buy time. Enough time for the Soul Reaver to be made ready for its true purpose. It's also interesting to see how the vampires used the pillars to seal away the Hilden to a different dimension, while at the same time, the Hilden curses the Ancients to be vampires, both of which are immortal. Both races, whether they knew it or not, managed to effectively cut the elder god's means of sustenance and his so-called "wheel of fate." And so this also makes me think that there were indeed some Hilden and some vampires working together to find a way to destroy their real enemies.
I do like the theory that the parts of Kain's soul were returned when Raziel sacrifices himself to restore the sire of balance. Such a tragic end to Raziel but a beautiful story that comes full circle for him.
May these reboots, remasters, or whatever they call it, *_"STRICTLY STICK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL"_* and/or add further insight upon the loopholes, concerns, questions, story lore, etc, some of the original fanbase had in the past.
I'm REALLY HOPING that the remake uses the program Toys for Bob made to remaster spyro, so that we get the exact original voice lines but with updated graphics.
"The Pillars are the lock, and the Reacer is the key". What if it's not a metafor, and the reaver literally acts as a key, freeing the Hylden from their extradimensional prison?
"No, Raziel, this can't be the way!" The concern on Kain's face and in his voice is genuine. This is I think the only time we see Kain display empathy and I like to think that is a result of the spirit blade healing him.
Theyd best redo defiance as well. Getting to confront Kain after 2 games. Hearing Ozar Midrashim playing was just beautiful. LOK deserves to be known as the best vampire tale ever
That theory at the end is quite insightful. It makes sense. Btw what I like to do after I watch your videos is to play V Rising and imagine its part of Nosgoth. :D
@@RazulLD You're still going by someone's head canon. I know it sounds nice, but nothing nice happens in Nosgoth. Besides, if you remember in soul reaver you can feed off people without killing them. They fall on their knees, but eventually they stand back up again. A person's soul regenerates.
I remember seeing a comment somewhere that shined on just how tragic Raziel's end is that there's a chance that despite how mad he goes inside the reaver, there's a sliver that he remembers his mission Imagine going mad over the course of hundred and hundreds of years but you feel something familiar, your past self and in your own twisted insane logic you realize you need to absorb your past self into the reaver. I like to think that along with history pushing events in the direction they need to go is why Raziel was almost absorbed into the reaver during the beginning and end of Soul Reaver 2 and after his and Kain's battle in Defiance, it was the wraith version of the reaver going "stab my past self stab my past self" not realizing that past Raziel hasn't purified the wraith blade yet.
Raziel is the sword. But throughout the series, he was not yet complete. Not yet ready. He needed to be purified, tried, tempered, and quenched. It's as if he was his own blacksmith. Though Vorador only created the physical blade, the wraith blade was made by Raziel. Because it is Raziel. In Defiance, we see that Kain also needed to strengthen the physical blade as well. The blade had to go through both a physical tempering as well as spritual.
Every day with a new Legacy of Kain video is a good day. Severely underrated series. They don't write plots and monologues like this anymore. Shame that it never finished, especially since the voice of the narrator died. Maybe some decades in the future there will be something even remotely similar.
A detail from Soul Reaver 2 you might've missed is the trade off for allowing the Reaver to devour souls. It does more damage and defeats foes far faster the more that outer ring fills.
I would pretty much just use the Reaver for most mandatory fights and deal with the lack of souls for Raziel - it decimates enemies and even if you “die” and go to the spectral realm and back to the material realm it would often be quicker that trying to fight with physical weapons.
Fascinating as always. To be honest, I've never given much thought to the nature of the Reaver. What that scene in Defiance has always said to me is Kain isn't the complete sociopath he often appears to be, that deep down he genuinely cares at least for Raziel. It has long been my belief that, were it not for all the time-spanning plots and counterplots, Kain's reaction to Raziel growing wings would have been pride, pride that one of HIS line was taking on the nature of the ancients.
I wonder. This whole "procedure" to cleanse the balad, empower it with spirit and heal Kain from Nupraptors corruption. Hadd the Ancients forseen these events?
I think it's implied that the Ancients had an idea of how things would play out but also went about setting up fail safes. I mean their world had to go through something like 4 timelines, that we know of, where things did not go the way they were 'ordained'
I think that they could have deduced a possible corruption of the pillars both due to their mechanism and the Hylden's ingenuity, so they made a backup plan in case it happens.
i highly doubt the ancients had foreseen all of this because of janos´ chock when he realizes the true form of the reaver. but they were warned through visions as the murals portray.
@Tezca-Coatl the elder god was playing the hylden and vampires against each other. No way janos would have known since the prophecies didn't seem to be foretelling events but advising of the best route to take
The theorie that Kain gets the parts of his soul back that he gave and created his first fletchlings with - is so on point. We shall make it canon if it truly isnt, because Raziel did unite what had been set asunder. In more ways than one apparently. This shall life from now on rent free in my mind. 25 years and there are still new things to learn and uncover. As allways a beautiful job Strictly fantasy, Well done!
I always assumed that the purpose of dispersing the Wraith Blade into Kain was in part to reunite him with the parts of his soul he dispersed into his lieutenants. That’s why Turel had to be included in the Defiance. Raziel doesn’t consume his brothers’ souls in the way he normally does with enemies. It always struck me as more of a merging. If Kain was going to be whole, he had to have all his disparate pieces united again. One theory I had back in the day about the elemental enhancements was that they were tied to the Hylden in some way. The elementally enhanced wraith blade was the predicted weapon of the Hylden Champion whereas the “Blood Reaver” was enhanced by the pillar themed fragments of the Balance Emblem. In mythologies that evolved from the Proto-Indo-European tradition there’s typically a war between an older group gods representing nature themes which is overcome by a younger pantheon representing elements of human life. Examples include the Aesir-Vanir War in Norse Myth or the Titanomachy in Greek Myth. The war is often ended by the unification of the two pantheons sealed through marriage. Perhaps that’s the ultimate resolution of the Hylden Vampire conflict?
Good stuff. Raziel is the hybrid, the bridge across the divide between these species, doing the work of both, linking their fates, so both are elevated together, creating a future they might both be able to live with. When Raz didn't live long enough to fight Turel, that can also be seen as Elder keeping Kain's soul incomplete. No scion arises. Elemental magics are a vampire thing to start. but when the hylden latched on to the same champion they got access to the elemental magics as part of their knockoff brand. The ghostly echo of the sword, like a faded print.
@@larrymcmacarroon9529 you’re totally right. The elemental reavers are clearly vampiric and not Hylden in nature. My thought was that, in misinterpreting the prophecy of the champions and the scion, the unwittingly created the mechanisms to empower the hylden champion’s weapon. But yeah it’s a stretch to associate the clearly alien Hylden with the Vanir or Titans on this flimsy elemental connection.
Always great to hear more LoK talk. It really shows how special this series is that so many subjects of discussion exist in it. Speaking of Legacy of Kain theories, I have the idea that the original version of Soul Reaver before it was cut is actually the Nemesis timeline. To me that explains why Kain is so fatalist in that version, in that timeline he never witnessed that it was possible to change history. He failed to kill William and returned to his present seeing that it was unchanged. Then later, when he discovered the Chronoplast, that would have added to this fatalist view. He could see and travel in time, but never change anything. So seeing no possible way to alter history, he simply accepts this fate instead.
It's always a joy to see one of your Legacy of Kain-videoes in my feed. I really hope the new comic will be good. There has been so many dissapointing revivals, and my heart would not be able to bear it if LOK was trashed as well.
15:47 I love the LoK community =) Even decades after their game releases, were still finding awesome and believable theories. Thank you Venkintus, like Strictly, I think I will make this theory a part of my headcannon as well -_^
And the Scion of Balance, Healed. And I am NOT your enemy. I am, as before, your right arm... YOUR SWORD! The idea of Raziel returning the lost fragments of Kain's soul to him makes the speech in this moment all the more powerful.
Honestly, I figured it was just generally accepted that Raziels soul was purified along with the Soul Reaver and along with it the portion of Kain's soul from his lieutenants and thus returned to Kain when he received the completed purified Reaver.
Hope he does a character study about the Priestess of Nosgoth. Even though she was cut from the original game, perhaps she'll appear in the new remake!
"Given The Choice.....Whether To Rule Over A Failing Empire Or To Challenge The Fates For One More Throw.....A Better Throw At One's Own Destiny................................ What Was A King To Do? But Does One Actually Have Free Will? One Can Only Move By Move The Machinations Of Fate And Thurs Defiy The Tyrannous Stars. -Simon Templeman
Some things to think about: 1. The Soul Reaver is Raziel 2. Temporal Distortion happens when the 2 Soul Reaver blades meet (spiritual and physical) 3. When Raziel is absorbed into the Blood Reaver, him AND the soul reaver bound to him become one. Given that we know Raziel is the Soul Reaver, it is strange that there was no Temporal Distortion when Raziel first met his Spiritual Blade self, but only happened when the spiritual and physical met or came near each other. Plus, when you think about it, the Raziels (yes, plural) that combined each time must have further enhanced it, added together with the fact that Raziel had consumed the souls of his brothers, it should also be assumed that the brothers' souls also stacked each time. AND finally, the original timeline, where Raziel was suppose to kill Elder Kain. Think of that. The Soul Reaver then would have devoured Elder Kain's soul as well. So... If Raziel in Defiance REALLY DID give Elder Kain the souls back, it could be assumed that Kain received a huge amount at once. Imagine: Multiple Reavers stacked and combined each time, Raziel's Brothers' souls stacked and combined each time, AND the soul of the Elder Kain that WAS killed in the original destined timeline, all purified by the now Purified Soul Reaver. If all that was given to Kain, how powerful do you think that would make him after that?
The fandom is sorta split on whether Wraith Blade was absorbed into the Soul Reaver or whether it was just dissolved. Personally, I'm of the view that at the end of Soul Reaver 2, the Wraith Blade fades into nothingness after if forces the physical blade to impale Raziel, thus making Raziel's sacrifice meaningless. However in Defiance, Raziel dissolves the Wraith Blade (his future self) into Kain to heal him, uniting what has been set asunder. If we consider the alternative theory that you have suggested and that the Wraith Blade continues to be reabsorbed into the physical blade for all eternity, then the implications of that are quite disturbing to say the least. As that would mean there are countless of Raziel's trapped in this loop for all time. I don't think this is what Amy Hennig intended but I cannot say for sure.
💯 on the cleansing of souls to reanimate Kain to make him whole!!!!! Raziel is like a Gemini ♊ twin souls, twin lives simultaneously existing. Kain is the balance of those twin souls.... therefore fulfilling his role as the 9th guardian. Being purified by the key which is the Soul Reaver and Kain being the lock. For Kain is a part of the Pillars of Nosgoth, in fact the center of it. I fkn love this game!!!!!!!
Who would win in a fight between a bunch of magical swords? The Wraith Blade from Legacy of Kain, the Dragon Buster Sword from Legend of Dragoon, Frostmourne from Warcraft 3, The Blazing Sword from Tales of Arise, the Blade of Orisis from Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy or the Master Sword?
I, for one, am not thirsty for anything new LoK. I would much rather it left lying still than another botch job. And given the state of things, I am fearful of any future work. I can only hope to be wrong in those fears, but history has been a harsh teacher.
Heres an interesting question if Raziel dispersed the wraith blade into Kain, purifying Kain and freeing his future self from looping eternally through time, what becomes of Raziel’s future self? When they we developing the cancelled Legacy of Kain: dark prophecy game they tried to include Raziel in the story by giving Kain the ability to summon him from the Reaver which was shot down (rightfully) because it undermined his sacrifice and that his story was effectively over. I think a better way to do it is to have Raziel’s future self now bound within Kain? It would make for an interesting story of an “Elder Raziel” who has seen the history of Nosgoth through the Reaver blade (including parts kain isnt aware of like his time with the Hylden lord while kain was in a coma) act as a guide for Kain’s final journey. Maybe take inspiration from dead sun where only Kain can see and hear this version of Raziel. Have his appearance restored to his vampire look as a result of being purified in th spirit forge but retaining the blue coloration and without wings or replacing his bat wings with the black wings of ancient vampires. Nothing more than fan fiction on my part lol
What if, terrible way to start out a post, but... What if, the Hylden curse on the Vampires was not only a blood curse on the vampires, but a curse to confine the driving force behind them, The Elder God. Forget what is said and look at what physically happens. The first time we see the elder god, it is largely ethereal and it's influence is spread all over the world. But when Raziel and Kain begin traveling back through time, it is ever smaller the further back in time they go and it's influence is centered around the pillars. Before the war with the Hylden, the Vampires regularly communed with their God wherever they would roam. But when the Hylden are banished to the demon realm and the Vampires are cursed, their god goes silent. I don't think the god stopped talking to them because they were made immortal and removed from the wheel of fate, but rather the god itself was confined to the beast at the base of the pillars and COULD NOT speak to it's faithful. How best to remedy this? Laying (trapped?) at the base of the pillars, leaching what power it could, the god would survive and eventually be able to reach out and it finds Moebius. Temples are built, puzzels and forges are conveniently left waiting for one who welds the Reaver. Between the actions of Kain and Raziel, their bodies and respective blades are evolved and empowered. On and on it goes until Kain is purified and the Soul Reaver is fully forged into a weapon of divinity capable of cleaving the flesh of the Gods bestial form. The god does not die however, but as we see at the beginning of Soul Reaver, it is freed and spreads all over the world. Maybe the god was cursed into a flesh form or maybe it just began as such, either way the flesh limits it's reach and power.. until Kain armed with the empowered Reaver, shreds that flesh and frees to God. All things considered, did it really turn out so bad for the Elder God or did it all go according to plan?
I think there is a very important aspect to Kain's "Hate me, but do it honestly" speech. Raziel would have pursued vengeance against Kain even if Nosgoth had not been rendered a wasteland in Soul Reaver, as Kain's betrayal was enough motivation. Because of this, even if the pillars destruction is prevented by the current Kain having been purified, it will not alter Raziel's decisions and create a paradox. If there was a new game to wrap up the story, I could see current Kain interupting the point when his past self had to choose to sacrifice himself or let the pillars shatter and either: 1) Take his past self's place as Balance Guardian and brining the new Guardians in as vampires, allowing his past self to build his empire. 2) Purify his past self with the Spirt Reaver, preventing the need for the sacrifice.
I want to see a Blood Omen 3 game - with Vampire Lord Kain as an antagonist to Blood Omen 2 Kain, like when Mobius summons a future version of Kain to fight Fledgling Vampire Kain in Blood Omen 1 & The older (more powerful) Kain resurrects both Umah and Vorador to explain their revivals after their apparent Deaths
The elemental forges as linked to balance and being a chamber beneath the pillars to support the balance guardian makes sense. If the original aim of the pillars was the gather elemental energy and balance them to protect the world. And seal it from other inter dimensional forces then it would make sense the ancient vampires would have forges to study and collect the energy for balance The subsequent pillars taking on higher, more specific, more human endeavours leading to the corruption as the base elements of balance are neglected , or perhaps perverted and abused. Leading to the inevitable decay and unbalancing which leads to behaviours of the circle in blood omen could also be part By ignoring the core elements and balance, and upsetting the balance by splitting them to the other 9 attributes the world was on tis road to ruination already. Really fascinating stuff thank
One point that I've always found pulling at my sense of curiosity is that we never find out what happened to Janos after he was cast into the Hylden dimension. From here I can't help but note how, when Kain awakens in the same dimension after Raziel rips out the heart, that the deformed and half insane demons strongly hint that they are indeed and in fact Hylden. They even tell Kain that over time in this world both his mind and his body will steadily deform in such a way that he will not notice until he hardly resembles himself anymore, and from this standpoint it's interesting to note how Raziel's brothers followed a similar degradation with their de-evolution and obvious failing mental capacities. Because it is not stated whether Janos escaped or was destroyed by the Hylden in this prison dimension I am very curious about what became of him, and furthermore there is really no telling if time even works the same way there. What I've always felt to be at least mildly possible was that Janos spent the equivalent of thousands of years in this place, and possibly by complete accident slipped through a dimensional crack in the barrier. However, following this logic I believe that he landed not on the physical plane but on the spectral one, and we saw what this spiritual world does to the un-consumed souls of vampires over time. What if Janos fell into the extremely distant past, like before the Great War even started between the two ancient races, but being stuck in the spectral realm meant that souls were his only available food source. From there his insanity due to deformation would have driven his knowledge of his original time to take up the mantle of the Vampire God, a.k.a. the Hub of the Wheel of Fate, and thus sparked all the conflict throughout time (as Raziel mentioned at the end of Defiance) simply to feed his own hunger. I find the potential that if they had created a true final installment that Kain would have found the true heart of the so called 'God' to be a horrific version of Janos somewhere either incredibly deep underground or even perhaps still in the Hylden dimension seeping through back into Nosgoth through some method I can't even imagine. I think that this sort of thing would have made a better overall ending, especially if the final battle would have purified not just all of Nosgoth back to a pure state of being, but maybe also the vampires of their immortality curse, thus allowing new and honestly legitimate Pillar Guardians to be born once more.
I really hope that if we get one more game to cap off the series, Raziel is able to communicate with Kain from inside the Reaver. Maybe even taking the chance to sarcastically sass Kain. I dunno, having the two actually interact without hostility would be nice to see.
So as a clean balance guardian and with his full soul maybe Kain can sire vampires in a more common bloody way. Maybe he can raise new vampires clans, this time with his blood not soul. His last attempt was flawed.
so i just had a thought about blood omen 2 and the hylden lords plan, so we know that it was intended that the hylden lord wanted to use the soul reavers paradox nature in order to trigger their freedom from the demon realm, what if (and a big if) like the elder god and moebius they cannot see raziels path and considering how much they pushed and influenced raziel to kill kain its possible they figured raziel would side with them and be used to trigger more paradoxs in order to make it so the hylden lord would win in the end but due to not knowing raziels full path they didnt account for raziel learning the truth and not wanting to kill kain as to not be manipulated byt the elder or moebius, i think this would make sense as even moebius and the elder god seem confused by the hyldens return and didnt see them coming, its possible that they also didnt know that it was raziel himself in the blade, while i doubt this is the case due to how the development of soul reaver and blood omen 2 werent really planned together it would help to show the lord did plan but he just didnt have all the info he needed, it could also be he didnt know the soul reaver could trigger the paradoxes and thought it was something raziel did alone and he just saw the reaver as a very powerful sword and not the key, or (and this is me really stretching here) he didnt know about the soul devouring power of the reaver and assumed even if he lost he would live adn then bide his time for when kain would be killed by raziel then spring his invasion if THE MASS failed
Maybe it was obvious, but I want to share it with every fan of this awesome series, that after a long time I realise that the Sword always hint us that a JAWLESS entity recide withing it and it was not a merely lifeless weapon.
ey thanks for the shout out of my little theory (double thanks for saying my name right) "edit" as well as all the comments that think its good theory and not me read too much into it, thank you
The Legacy of Kain series is truly one of the most intricate and compelling stories ever told in gaming. Raziel's journey, filled with betrayal, redemption, and sacrifice, resonates deeply even after all these years. The interplay between free will and destiny, especially through the lens of Raziel wielding the very weapon he becomes, is nothing short of brilliant. The way this series handles complex themes like power, corruption, and the cyclical nature of fate is unmatched. I only hope that any future remasters or continuations stay true to the rich lore and depth that made these games iconic.
Really hoping that a remaster uses the original voice recordings (maybe just edit them using software to clean them up for a modern title?). I can't imagine any other voice actors for Kain, Raziel, or Mobius.
How about a video explaining the many different timelines from the point of view of the reaver? The Blood Reaver's creation, absorbing Raziel's soul, being given to William and then to Kain, etc etc.
If Raziel’s fate with the Reaver is the only thing powerful enough to alter history, what was the eventual outcome of the original timeline where Kain doesn’t travel back and William becomes the Nemesis?
A good question which we don't have the answer to. I do however believe that Raziel is trapped in the Soul Reaver even in the 1st timeline shown in the games, which would suggest that he becomes Kain's lieutenant in that timeline, is executed by him and still travels back in history, only to be devoured by the sword in the Sarafian Stronghold after killing his former human self. Things would be different in that original timeline no doubt but the parts involving Raziel and Reaver would be mostly the same.
@@strictlyfantasy Definitely, since too much of Nosgoth’s history and alternate timelines relies upon that happening. Imagine if Raziel had decided to kill Moebius during their encounter at William’s tomb.
The ending of Defiance is what caused the Blood omen 2 timeline to be created. Old Kain changed the past for young Kain. Instead of the timeline that preceded soul reaver 1, 2, as well as defiance, it was reset and bifurcated to a new timeline which was blood omen 2 with the Hylden.
If that's true, did raziel never exist physically in this new rendition of the world? or rather, never became a vampire or a wraith? thus, kain never having any attachment to him?
From what I know there's no plan for remake. Instead there's gonna be a novel of a sort filling the gaps between games. Hopefully they're testing the waters to see if they attract enough people to make a game about it again
The fact that you even have more than even 10 videos, that can be over an hour long, about the lore of the series tells how deep the lore goes. This is possibly the best story of all time.
Makes me wonder how many instances of Raziel were present in the wraith blade. When Raziel went back in time and had his wraith blade meet with the destroyed Reaver, was there some kind of bond or fusion done? Did both of the wraith blades trade places during that moment, thus changing how the blade functions in the game and in the rest of the story? And would either or both of these wraith blades absorb the soul of the vampire hunter Raziel? Kain had to use parts of his soul to revive the fallen Sarafan brothers, so it makes me wonder if there were more than just two instances of Raziel at any given time in one body.
The fandom is split on whether Wraith Blade was absorbed into the Soul Reaver or whether it was just dissolved. Personally, I'm of the view that at the end of Soul Reaver 2, the Wraith Blade fades into nothingness after if forces the physical blade to impale Raziel, thus making Raziel's sacrifice meaningless. However in Defiance, Raziel dissolves the Wraith Blade (his future self) into Kain to heal him, uniting what has been set asunder. If we consider the alternative theory that you have suggested and that the Wraith Blade continues to be reabsorbed into the physical blade for all eternity, then the implications of that are quite disturbing to say the least. As that would mean there are countless of Raziel's trapped in this loop for all time. I don't think this is what Amy Hennig intended but I cannot say for sure.
It's even crazier at William's chapel, where Raziel wields himself and himself... in one hand. It also reminded me how scared Moebius was back then - he knew the walking paradox Raziel was, and had he been struck down right then and there, he would've been gone for good. A sharp contrast to when he died at Kain's hands, where he just treated it like another Tuesday.
@@noahdean9685I should have specified I wanted young ones, corruptible. I love to see the heroic youth corrupted and their reactions to it. Plus, I don't think Kratos would be a good student, since Kain is similar to Athena to an extent, and he grows to resent her methods.
Thrall from Warcraft 3. In the campaign he is young honourable idealistic leader but ultimately quite a naive Warchief as well as was seen with how he failed to see the darkness that lurked in Grom Hellscream, the Hellscream Clan and potentially others within the Horde which was not expanded on. Azeroth would be a very different place if he had been under Kain's tutelage. Perhaps a much more Machiavellian character who instead of seeing the Alliance and Night Elves as Allies in the final battle, merely chess piece like resources to be used up to ensure the supremacy of his Horde in the aftermath of Archimondes defeat. Pull his forces earlier or hold back his strength whilst allowing the others to use up all theirs until the moment of utmost need and Thrall need not just be Warchief of the Horde but maybe all of Kalimdor and beyond..... "The Battle for Mount Hyjal does not have to be an ending - It can be prelude" Kain to Thrall.......possibly
@@Farron6that final line is my main mindset when navigating "Shin Megami Tensei". I don't like the neutral path at all, so to make it easier to choose one of the extremes, I use a somewhat utilitarian lens to see them as preludes and all alternative scenarios they present, as people will ALWAYS crave for change in any scenario, even under those extremes.
I don't trust this new comic or the remasters of Soul Reaver 1 and 2. Especially with CD's terrible track record with Tomb Raider. These are the same damn people who felt the need to put in an unnecessary disclaimer for the Tomb Raider trilogy remaster. CD can not help itself when it comes to shoving their social justice politics into everything they touch. Legacy of Kain will sadly be no different.
Now we're talking,,finally remaking games ,when games were super fun,,I really loved the whole series,,Kane if a beast vampire,I really hope they redo all the series
I have fond memories of using Raziel's version of the Soul Reaver (aka. Wraith Blade) in Soul Reaver and its sequel, and I have to say that Kain's physical version from Blood Omen is also probably the best weapon in that game as someone going through BO for the first time in anticipation for the SR remasters.
